The ultimate retro computer display?
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- I've been looking a versatile little LCD monitor to sit on my desk for a while. I found this little 8" LCD on AliExpress and it comes with just about every input your could possibly want. Is this the ultimate retro computer LCD monitor?
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I bought a very similar one. So cheap, but so many inputs! I've found it really useful. I guess it's meant for things like security cameras, but I've hooked mine up to all sorts of systems.
Looks like it could be a good fit for the MiSTer.
If composite looks that good with chroma on, it must have a damn good comb filter in the demodulator.
Try it on the Ti99.
An interesting test would be the 15kHz RGB output in the various modes of Atari ST and Amiga.... but this would be stuff for another video I guess.... But thanks a lot for this one!
Thanks for the video! It's actually quite an interesting monitor. Indefinite revision he would not
use vga for the best text.you were wanting sinc on green comp, you got sinc on red rgb.
I just received a huge ass CRT monitor, the biggest I've ever had to play old PC games on my old PCs :)
I had a video card that crapped itself and only the red channel was outputting on both VGA and DVI.
Yay, thumbs up for PS1 and PaRappa the Rapper!
Can you please tell me the company name / model?
@@the_holy_forestfairy It's a Samsung SyncMaster 957MB.
@@Dukefazon Thank you! I think I'll treat myself to a "Sony Triton G500 Multiscan" :-)
@@the_holy_forestfairy A multiscan is always nice, Sony does some cool displays, so it sounds like a good purchase.
I had to look up the title at 22:14 because I didn't know how to spell "Galencia" and now I'm headed down the rabbit hole of new C64 productions: galencia.itch.io/galencia
This might be perfect for my Ultimate64Elite! But I need some sort of audiobreaker for extra speakers (HDMI).
I wonder if you could get this crazy thing to work in 480i RGB sync on RED using "YPbPr"?! Weird…
No CGA, no RGB, no SCART, a BS component, no SVideo, patchy video translation, etc etc
It's not even a -=decent=- retro computer display, never mind the ultimate.
It's definitely a bang for the buck, but not really the ultimate
That's a lot of white in that tartan
The description did say it's a TV Monitor, so the BNC connector might be RF in, though why they'd use BNC over a British aerial connector or an F connector I have no idea.
Also, I ordered a Xiaomi phone that came with a European charger, but the seller paked in a Euro to UK adapter. There was no mention of what charger it came with and no option to choose a UK charger, I'm guessing the seller saw that my address was in the UK and just packed in the adapter because Xiaomi only puts European chargers in the box.
I also ordered a GPD Win that came with a US charger which also had a UK adapter provided by the seller. The charger works fine on the UK 240V mains system (both chargers seem to be multivoltage)
I've found whenever I order stuff direct from China, they never seem to come with UK native chargers. The seller packs in an adapter for the UK system.
Also, I have a TV (bought in the UK from Argos) that actually has 3.5mm connectors for both composite and component, it came with breakout adaptors both both 3.5mm connectors that breakout to three RCA connectors, how the componenet inputs get sound, I don't know. I'm guessing you need both breakout adaptors for component with audio going in on the composite connector.
just noticed the ipa bottle at the end of the vid.... it says 1PT 1pint is 473ml... no 1 pint is 568ml...
He's in the US - 1 Imperial pint is 568ml, but 1 US pint is 473ml - at least for liquids - there is also a (dry) US pint which is 551ml
What is the model number of your Asus monitor?
I've heard that this brand had its ups and downs. 😉
I heard the products could be ordered but only with strings attached
@@sprint955st But luckily, they ship Around the World
While walking the dog? Cool
Y'all are a bunch of yoyos
I once accidentally damaged a cheap (modern) LCD monitor by feeding a 15kHZ signal from an Apple IIgs into it through a DB15 converter meant for Macintosh computers. (some of these video standards have the same connectors, but drastically different pinouts/signals) I wonder if a similar thing happened to your monitor in this video during the testing process. The potential damage could explain the corrupted text, red only YPbPr, and the black screen behavior where the monitor acted like it was short-circuited.
Had an old Syncmaster that died similarly, it kept corrupting the EEPROM and regularly had to be reflashed to even turn on.
I don’t believe 15 kHz hurts, but VGA is 31 kHz indeed. Most VGA has wide range support nowadays, from 15 to +70 kHz. From what i heard, TTL signals can really do damage, but i haven’t experienced this yet. I have a TTL button on my 1084 commodore CRT, which i believe needs to be turned on for my Amiga 500.
@@jengelenm The Amiga doesn't output TTL-level video. Examples of things that do output TTL are MDA, CGA and EGA video cards, and the BBC Micro and Acorn Electron.
@@jengelenm Depending on the circuitry, a sync too low could effectively act like DC and pass through low pass filters meant to filter sync signals. Poorly designed if that's the case, but possible.
@@Zeem4 I think the Amiga does both digital TTL and analog RGB.
I gotta say... I've never seen a OSD crash before.
Try using a 2012-2015 cheapo dell 17/19" 4:3 monitor for a while. They crash all the time, have to power cycle them, never known a monitor to crash before
I have one of these. The picture sucks. It also doesn’t like artifact color from an Apple II/IIe. VGA looks washed out. I put it back in the box and put it on a shelf as an emergency backup. It’s worthless for anything else. I ended up buying a 9” Sony production LCD to use with old composite/RGB computers instead.
Heh this one seems to handle artifact color without issue -- but the interlacing issue just sucks. The VGA isn't washed out in this case when you turn the contrast all the way up. It's all very strange!
These have been turning up recently, there's demand in industrial applications for replacement for old crts in aging cnc mechines I wonder if the low end frequency supports cga with an adapter as in multi sync
I have an LCD TV (Daenyx DN-153) that supports 15.7 KHz h-sync, which I use for CGA/TGA conversion. There may be others that support it, but that LCD TV, which I happened across at a thrift store, happens to support it. The Composite sucks ass, but it does CGA/TGA over VGA with a simple resistor-diode bridge adapter just fine. So if you happen across a DN-153, pick it up.
I wonder if any of these are small-batch enough to have either a socketed ROM or flash with exposed JTAG. That would open up the ability to reprogram them, improving the firmware.
need Honda connector for CNC, also vibration proof is a critical thing.
Youd probably need a monoprice VGA > Component cable. with the RGB lines on the DB15 being Y Pb and Pr respectively.
You're probably right about Y/Pb/Pr being through the VGA port, that was a common thing on projectors before HDMI became ubiquitous.
After watching the rest of the video, most likely it requires an adapter cable with a different pinout than the generic VGA to BNC breakout you're using here. Perhaps a cable designed for one of the aforementioned projectors would work...
@@yukisaitou5004 Yes indeed as I have a old Epson XGA projector from the mid-2000s (XGA = 1024 x 768 which is slighter better then 720p) and it supports component input (YPbPr) via the VGA input port. It indeed uses a special component RCA to VGA D-Sub DB15 cable that has a different pin-out then VGA cable and the projector can auto detect when a component signal is imputed via this special cable vs a standard VGA/SVGA signal via a standard VGA cable. The standard pinout for these component to VGA cables is as follows (For a HD-DB15 VGA connector): 1=Red, 2=Green, 3=Blue, 5, 6, 7, 8, & 10= Ground/Earth, 13=Horizontal sync, 14=Vertical sync, 4, 9, 11, 12, & 15=Not used. With VGA input it’s all the same as component except for pin 4, 11, 12, & 15 being ID bits (ID bit 2, 0, 1, & 3 (Data Clock), in that order), 5=Ground/earth, 6, 7, 8=R, G, & B shields, and 9=DDC +5v. YPbPr does not use the ID bits pins of VGA. A D-Sub DB15 to RCA component (YpBr) converter cable is about $3 on Monoprice right now (They also sell female to female adaptors too for use with standard 3 pair component cables). I believe the pin-outs for YpBr to D-sub15 are fairly standard across projector models of the pre-HDMI/DVI era) unless specified otherwise in the devices spec sheet.
@@Charlesb88 great info.
After watching the video I would say No Way. Looks like garbage to me at least from the point of view of not seeing it in person. And those fiddly, non intuitive menus are bad. I think a VGA converter box, like the old Viewsonic N7 would be much preferable to this. At least then you would get S-video, Composite, Component and VGA all properly converted. This is a case of you get what you pay for...
I'd put the name of the product into the title so people looking for reviews can find it
It should be easy to find as it's in the description, but it seems he didn't use any video tags?
BTW: When I google for Eyoyo EM08C TH-cam, this video is the first result.
but then where would you put the click bait?
I recently (a month ago) bought one of these through Amazon - and the screen was bad right out of the box (I didn't even bother doing a plastic peel). So I got to do a return but did want to give them another chance and selected to replace it. The second unit was good - I use it for a backup camera screen on my car.
Yes, mine was advertised as 'TFT LCD'. The OSD is wonky, as you discovered. And I went through the same aspect ratio failings that you did, but since this will be single-use (through the BNC connector) at least for the short-term it doesn't worry me either.
For these things, you don't expect perfection. For your own particular setup, they're good or they're not. Experience tells me to keep finding old, especially portable TVs from around 12 years ago by companies like Toshiba, Technika or LG. They're not discovered yet, Goodwill and other charity shops pack old screens to the roof and an especially good find can see your Commodore or Laserdisc really look like it's on a superb monitor native to the resolution.
I even found an LG television at the roadside the other year and even the VGA was good and crisp, and that's usually a weakest point for a telly.
Bought my TV as it had component. Went to connect my original Xbox and heart sank as no connector. Relieved as manual said "YPrPb via VGA". Found out VGA to Red Green Blue phono adapters are a thing. Worked fine with audio through Red White of composite. I'm dumb so just do what I'm told. Plug in what fits without understanding 😂
Someone follows Jotego on Twitter, haha.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the original developer of this is Feelworld. Menus looking similar to FW568. And the display panel itself (or the film/coating on it) seems to resemble mid-2000s ATM screens that had that “privacy” layer or coating so that the ATM screen wouldn't be seen from sideways.
10:15 yep, it is russian, but this is the first time in my life I see word "Русский" written as "РУСС". This is 100% chinese crap and I guess the rest of the translation is horrible)
What's odder than that is the Chinese language option for this Chinese-designed product is not written in Chinese.
@@flow221 LOL!
Old MacDonald had a screen, Eyoyo Eyoyo!
As far as i know RGB inputs on monitors (rca/bnc) have an impedance of 75ohms, and running a single signal into three monitor inputs at once loaded it to 25ohms, like three 75ohm resistors wired in parallel, dropping the voltage significantly
Well, perhaps that's the clue...
Component in via vga
My ultimate retro computer monitor is Medion E73009 (MD82688) - it is an 10.1" LCD TV, which has all possible inputs: RF (both analog, and DVB-T), VGA, HDMI, EuroSCART (with RGB), Component Video (Y, Pb, Pr), S-Video, and Composite Video.
Looks to me like 60 something bucks wasted. Good video tho - another proof of aliexpress stuff unable to meet it's own specs.
So to use this, don’t forget to order the Sour Cream as an option 😉. Thank you for making these videos!
Unfortunately the lack of fruit yoghurt compatibility is a real deal-breaker, for me 😏
bdwilcox says: "Hey kids. I was just a tech wannabe who couldn't solder to save his life. But now that I've been eating my delicious and nutritious Daisy Sour Cream, my solders would make even Adrian Black jealous. So eat nutritious Daisy Sour Cream, full of vitamin A and calcium for strong teeth and bones. Now sold in the dairy/deli section of your favorite grocers."
Tell 'em you want a dollop of daisy with that lcd!
For a stand, I vote for attaching it to the sour cream container permanently with the double sided adhesive.
FYI: This OSD looks like pretty standard Realtek RTD2660/2662 controller firmware.
yep ! so should be easy to reflash or patch
The component input definitely should sync on the green cable. The firmware is really buggy IMHO. The sync on red is probably why sync on green RGB isn't working either, maybe even the flakey VGA with the retrotank?
Back in early 2000s I used a PC connected to a high end Toshiba CRT TV via a home made cable using component output on an early (ATI) Radeon card via the VGA port.
Remember those old iPad screens you got a couple of mailcall video's ago? You could have built one of these yourself. Those are 4:3 as well. I'm in the process of building one myself, currently designing a case to be 3d printed.
If someone sold a case to hold the LCD and controller, that would be amazing. Something with a little stand. I gave away those iPads so unfortunately don't have them anymore.
I have a couple of OLPC XO tablets, I've wanted to fond a way to repurpose them as screens (since I can't find a way flash it with a stripped-down, newer Android image)
I remember seeing those controller boards to reuse old laptop panels, they had for ipads too, and with a case
However I'm not sure what keyboard to throw into AliExpress to find them again, since stuff like "iPad display controller" or "iPad to HDMI" didn't give the wanted results.
Disappointing but unsurprising that it processes 240p as 480i. You would think that it would properly handle 240p as something being advertised for use with "retro" hardware. Sad!
Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW. You can still find them for a couple hundred or less. DVI up to 1920x1200, VGA that does support 15 kHz RGB, Component from 240p/480i up to 720p/1080i, s-video and composite that handles 240p properly. It was Dell’s first widescreen monitor and they went all out on the video processing. Excellent handling of analog signals. Oh, and the stand rotates so you can play tate games on it.
I’ve been hunting for the “ultimate” display since I first owned a computer, back in 1982. Hope you found it, so I can stop. :-)
Well, I have not been searching as long as you, but for 3 years now and I have come to the conclusion, there is no All-in-wonder display/converter. However, I have come to my personal conclusion its best to have a standard monitor which does standard stuff best and let the awkward signals being handled by specialized converters. I know, not a nice solution because the amount of hdmi splitter, vga converter and various other converters easily pile up behind the monitor. Add to that, if you do not make a marking system so that you can identify the leads and connectors to which converter what goes and splitter switch sheets, you'll be hopelessly lost in no time. I've been there 😑, I've done that 😉.
Sony Trinitron w900 le.slmething like that, CRT monitor that can go to 2K resolution in 4:3 or 16:9
@@sos.gamers Hmmm, sony did make some special crts back in the day but so did Eizo and I can remember, all of Eizos were above and beyond, especially in the connection department. But lets face it, crts are a dead brood, any modern bad tft/ips panel can surpass the best crts from back then. The only thing that remedies crts, is their broadband compatibility towards older analog signal types. Make a diy display and spend a few bucks more on a proper display controller and maybe build in one or two special converters and any crts pro is easily knocked out. At the end of the day, it all boils down on the display controller, be it a crt with excellent analog features or tft/ips. If the decoding module is garbage, it will not take half of the signals.
@@bloeckmoep I disagree with TFT LCD IPS screen been better than CRT, if you say Oled displays well that's fine but any other technology can't match a CRT in black levels, color and brightness, even led tvs that has HDR are trying to imitate the Brightness and contrast of CRT displays.
@@sos.gamers I for one, am happy to not be using CRT screens any more. Big, clunky... inbuilt VGA cable... yeah, I don't miss them...
That sony bluray player caught my eye, it appears to have a navigation screen very similar to the PS3. Just a thought but maybe you'd do a quick 2nd channel video on that?
Sony's XMB was a standard part of their design language for a while back then, I think. They abandoned it after a while.
is there some sort of competition in the retro youtube community.......who can connect the weirdest shit to the weirdest shit.......i heard LGR is trying to connect a 1973 austin allegro to a 200" nightclub disco screen and play doom in Ibiza under foam
I think Eyoyo is a chinese colourblindness charity......thought they might have mentioned that🤣🤣🤣
YPbPr input via a VGA port is pretty common on projectors, though they usually come with an adapter. Not all the adapters are the same, though.
I knew right away that was not an IPS panel seeing the viewing angle in the manual.
They do seem to have an IPS version on Aliexpress (170° viewing angle) but either the wrong one was ordered.. or they sent the wrong product; probably the latter. I would've raised a complaint!
OMG, now I want to see more random tiny Chinese monitors tested. I would love to have a small display with sync-on-green for my bench.
There's a schematic for a simple SoG to RGBHV converter on raphnet, shouldn't cost more than a few dollars to build.
Keep an eye out for nec multisync 18" lcd monitors. Quite a few support SoG. The 18" one is not much bigger than this one, though theyre vga only.
It really does not look like a IPS Screen. I have several IPS and a couple TN panels and none of the IPS panels lose any resolution or color at any angle. If that is an actual IPS panel which as I said is doubtful, it must be an early or old early generation of IPS but I have seen literally hundreds of different types of panels and none of the IPS panels I have seen do what this panel does. As you know, anything that comes out of China has specs that generally do not mean a dam thing.
Yeahhhh... if that thing shipped directly from PRoC (versus, say, Taiwan), you are going to want to examine or replace the external AC adapter. Some of the adapters I've gotten directly from China, on cheap / no-name products, have had truly dangerous gaps in fault protection when I pulled them apart and looked inside.
You can make a sync on green converter btw, You can find it on Cameron gray's video about the Next Pizza box at about 18 minutes in.
i wonder if it would do 15khz RGB? The PS1 and PS2 output that natively.
tons of PS1 lasers are dying, you need to swap it with a new laser, or opt out with the xstation, but that one is more tricky to install since it requires soldering.
When you Frankensteined all the coax connectors together, it's possible it might have been white if the signal was stronger, but all of them being connected might have loaded it too much to have a good sync still be detected.
With three hooked together like that, the sync signal would be cut to 1/3. I think he would need to have an active input mixer.
As far as i know RGB (over bnc or rca) has an impedance or 75 ohms, meaning the monitor itself acts as if it had a 75ohm resistor between the red signal input and ground, blue and ground, and green and ground. Adrian connected all of the monitor inputs in parallel - the computer was outputting a signal suitable for a monitor with the impedance of 75ohms, but the monitor was loading it the same as if it had three 75ohm resistors in parallel - with an effective impedance of 25 ohms on one signal wire, thus the signal voltage dropped too low
Some component inputs won't work without all 3 connected, my TV is like that..which is annoying
What is the model number of the Asus monitor? I am looking for a monitor that supports sync on green.
15:36 I bet you need ypbpr to vga cable. I had one for an ancient LCD TV years ago.
15"-17" should be the ultimate retro lcd.
There’s actually an ips version, 8” 4:3
Your link to the Screen is Broken, it ends in HTM while it should end in HTML
Someone should start making new CRT monitors that support modern sources along the old ones. The market would be small, but I think people would be willing to pay up.
I think the amounts spent on machinery, structure and design wouldn't pay off. Too much of a niche market. And even between those who use CRTs, there are those that prefer vintage CRTs.
@@joseislanio8910 If there is still some left-over equipment and such available somewhere, that might help. You also have to find the needed expertise - preferably some people who actually manufactured these things back in the day. There's no lack of documentation on the old stuff though. Vintage CRTs are in short supply, and still shrinking.
@@Vermilicious CRT's are an extreme technology. It's not just the expertise, but the industry behind it is gone. You need heavy industry to manufacture the glass, and it's not just normal glass, but lead crystal glass to avoid X-rays. In that glass you need to install phospors, a high precision shadow mask and the high precision electron guns.
Allthough I do hope for a wonder, manufacturing that at reasonable cost with low sales numbers is not realistic.
I’ve seen power adapters like that from Chinese sellers where the 240V prongs and the small black plastic shape at their base pull off to reveal a US 120V plug underneath
I know the type you are talking about, it's a little adapter on the end, I had one like that from China too but this one seems like it's a solid plastic PSU and doesn't have the US plug on it.
Being able to be powered by USB-C is quite handy though, especially if you're using it as a portable unit. Just bring a USB power bank, and jack into whatever.
Honestly, the thing I'd be hunting for is being able to accept 15.7KHz over VGA. Very easy to convert CGA/TGA that way.
These vga to bnc component cables were used for crts with rgb component input, iiyama made them. Component for video is different.
I bought one of these to go with my ttl vga project, but it doesn't handle a 640x480 vga signal properly. The Image and the OSD comes out weird with strange horizontal lines (I get that from PC's output as well as my own vga circuit). Works fine at higher resolutions.
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Kinda glad it doesn't work with sync on green. The thought of somebody hooking an SGI up to one of these cheap 8" screens fills me with dread! :)
HAHAH!!!!!!
For the Application you want I would recommend building one. Research on a LCD Panel and then from there toss in a LVDS converter and all of the format modules. From my experience working with anything smaller then 10 - 13 inch is useless.
I built one using a old Laptop LCD, LVDS converter and with HDMI Adapters to change the video format. I also have one of those Arcade RGB to VGA adapter boards for repairing Arcade Machines.
I'm positive that isn't an IPS display.
To solve the connector issues, you could use the monitor upside down and then use the built in rotate function - then the leads are coming out the top. Just a suggestion.
Hah, I bought exact the same monitor myself. Works will with my Atari 800. Remote is a little finicky, but once I got it setup, it seems to be working okay.
I wonder if running it in “YPbPr” with your tink in passthrough mode VGA would work like you wanted and wasn’t getting before…
If it was 640x480 then it was perfect
I tore it down and used the LCD and control board in my “pet laptop” project. It is great. I got mine on Amazon.
19:40 - The picture is stretched vertically. It's NOT ok!
with retrocomputers , CRT is a Must
Looks very similar to the one I got for fitting into one of my Amstrad PPC640s :D
May I ask, were you inspired by Noel´s Retro Lab? 😁
@@BertGrink No actually, I'll have to look into that! I bought mine about 18 months ago I just never got round to doing it :P
There are plenty of YPbPr to HD15 (VGA-style) component cables. There are so many, in fact, that I see them at thrift stores almost every time I look. Mojo price sells them too. Of course, you can use any VGA to 5BNC cable for YPbPr with some BNC to RCA adapters on the R, G, and B lines (ignore the H-sync and V-sync lines).
Few months ago I bought a similar monitor from AliExpress, only with a 9.7" screen. It actually had a proper IPS screen with good viewing angles unlike the one you are reviewing. Unfortunately, it does not work well with my PAL Atari 800XE hooked over RetroScaler 2x. It shows the picture and looks nice but apparently it always runs at 60 Hz so anything that should scroll smoothly is jerky. I ended up selling it to a friend who will use it with a Raspberry Pi.
I bought this screen and it's perfect, works for my ZX spectrum 48/128, VIC20/C64, VGA PC, Amiga, Raspberry Pi and old game consoles.
Retro computers' images ,converted to composite are crisp and clear.
I also use an early 40 inches LCD 720p TV still with RCA AV in/out , EU Peritel, UHF-VHF tuner, HDMI, auto 4:3/16:9 ratios and multistandards (PAL, SECAM, MESECAM, NTSC), meaning I can connect nearly anything on this, retro computers, retro consoles, VCR, ... I'll be very sad when it'll die but it's already nearly 20 years old and still works fine, except for the remote controller.
The VGA port is used for ypbr
I have one of these with only composite inputs. I was unimpressed, but kept it.
@29:47, your retro-tank may be outputting 3.3v TTL logic on the H & V sync outputs. Some RGB samplers, like the one in the Eyoyo may require the old standard 5v TTL logic levels on the H&V sync inputs. So, the Eyoyo may just be going into power save mode, but may still work on some modes as it may be an edge case, or a difference in sync polarity based on video mode can help or hinder video mode recognition. This would not be an issue with older VGA cards which have the 5V TTL sync levels. Either that, or it's just lousy improperly tested firmware.
would a 3.3v to 5v level shifter adaptor help with this maybe?
@@fumthings We are at a point in time where it is not worth the effort. If you truly want a good universal monitor, it would take a designer which has experience with all these old modes and really knows what they are doing and has all the proper video simulator test generators which are designed to send every good and lemon mode you can imagine. Such a developed monitor would never become profitable just because of the engineering time and effort required to truly do a good job.
I buy the cheapest ebay HDMI cables, because they are thin and bend easily. I got a 5m HDMI and there is no problems, unlike what the expensive cable makers say - lol -.
Normal guy: Hey, I have the ultimate retro computer display!
Retro guy: Does it have a cannon shooting electrons directly to your retina?
Normal guy: No
Retro guy: Does it weigh 3 metric tons?
Normal guy: No
Retro guy: Is it big enough so that you can live inside?
Normal guy: No
Retro guy: Then you have not.
The tech specs miss out the response time, cd/m2 and Hz frequency. I believe this is 12ms response time, 60hz, 250cd. Eyoyo also sell a 10.4", 4:3 screen. It has 800 x 600 max res, 75hz, 6ms response time and 350cd
I have a slightly earlier variation of that screen, and it doesn't support 50Hz VGA, or slightly "not standard" (e.g. 59.7) 60Hz - as sadly, as you noted, the VGA is a huge disappointment in the supported resolutions.
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I've purchased a number of these monitors. Unfortunately, you can never quite be sure what you're getting. All of them seem to have some annoying quirk.
The largest 4:3 LCD display I've ever seen was 21.3". Anyone know if they ever made them bigger than that? I don't think they did.
The biggest 4:3 LCD I have ever seen was 17"
Maybe in TVs?
We had 21" and 23" crt's at work back in the day, so propably lcd's in the same size were avaliable too? The crt's were REALLY long though, took the whole desk from wall to edge of desk. Had to extend the desk on the back to fit a keyboard in front. Was rediculous really.
@@Santor- Yeah, I know what you mean. I had one of those monsters too. A 21" Viewsonic CRT. It was massive.
@@BertGrink I've seen a lot of 19" (and still use some for server uses)
I was looking for a 1280x1024 LCD monitor that had HDMI, S-Video and VGA inputs - with the ability to read PAL and NTSC and a 15kHz signal. I ended up getting a Tyco American Dynamics 17" Multiple Input Monitor (ADLCD17MB) and I am very happy with it. It works very well with a Commodore Amiga using an Amiga RGB to S-Video/VGA adapter. I recommend this monitor if you don't want something as small as the one in this video and don't mind the 4:3 ratio.
This monitor seems to be using those V56 LCD controllers that are sold on Aliexpress, and the board does have a component input. It's probably hidden under the monitor case.
Yep.Exactly what i thought. Thata an universal LVDS controller which are really good for reusing old laptop screens, by uploading the right firmware thru the USB port. I have two of those, so im curious about the lcd panel itself..would be nice to know the model number of it.
This monitor would be better if its BIOS accepted also 15 Khz as vertical frequency.
Here in Brazil the M1721A LG LCD monitors are loved by the retro community because we can use RGB in VGA @ 15 Khz, the image as its best. IT is 4:3 too, has also composite, S-Video and RF (using an add on), audio and runs smoothly with european computers. A must have for everyone (and I have 4 of them).
These screens are usually bad. They're made for use cases where image quality and input-lag are irrelevant. They're not working well with retro-gaming.
We need a modern high-end display for retro hardware! Such hardware should have:
1. OLED panel, since OLED is currently the only technology that has response time on par with CRTs.
2. Dedicated hardware that would draw pixels in the way electron beam traveled. It should be so precise that light-guns should work.
3. Very high PPI, like 4K on 10" screen, with advanced image-processing hardware, so it could simulate CRTs look really well without ugly upscaling that is so common on LCD screens.
Usually, in devices like this, YPbPr is done through an adapter plugged into the VGA port; I'm guessing they're using a non-standard pinout though. -- As for the contractors, maybe look into getting some right angle adapters.
33:42: There's an article online that's titled "Apple II and RGB Video" by Joel Buckley (from 11/7/2002) that describes the Apple IIgs as having sync on each of R, G, and B. Your Apple IIc appears to be built the same way. I don't really know why the sync was only picked up when you connected the Red component. One might speculate that maybe R could be a weaker signal here and less likely to interfere with or overwhelm the sync, but that's just me spitballing.
yeah, these screens are all based on this controller that you can find on banggood or aliexpress.
If you have an old laptop panel you can use one of these to make a comparable or even better panel than that monitor.
It's funny how this controller costs now twice the price I had paid 2 years ago.
I’ve just ordered one from AliExpress. I’ve been after something close to a 9” 4:3 AR to use in an empty Macintosh SE/30 case I have.
I’m wondering if it’s possible to use it instead of the SE/30 monochrome CRT to provide a color output… IIRC, the SE/30 is able to produce a color signal although it shows up as grey scale on the monochrome CRT. I might need to investigate this further - I’m not sure if it produces a color signal natively that could be fed to a color screen…
Great Video. I have both The c64maxi and regular original commodore 64 from 1984. I wanted to use this monitor for both (composite on original c64) and hdmi on the maxi. I understand that without retrothink the original c64 will not working properly due to flickering effect ? Thank you . is this version 8" too small ?
I bought one of these a few years ago, and at unboxing one of the pixels had physically melted a tiny hole in the screen. I use it for throwing a monitor on stuff that doesn't live near my other PCs, like the NAS in the basement. The OSD still baffles me every time.
I have the 14" 1024x768 version. Similar or worse view angles, and a glossy surface. IT handles composite well and has the same menus tructure. I haven't tried DOS modes yet but I expect it's the same as your 8" monitor.
Yeah just wish it handed non interlaced composite video properly. I've had a few other people report the 14" and 10" models are good
I bought a 15" screen TV to use as a monitor for $30 and it supports everything. The catch is that you need an adapter because the input is only HDMI. With the proper adapters it is capable of supporting all systems and the viewing angle is no different from a modern HDMI TV. It is a pretty cheap TV, but still superior to your $64 piece of junk [Sorry just calling it as it is]. If you are looking for a monitor I would compare it to any standard HDMI TV that can support just about anything.
Btw, Best buy sells an HDMI to composite adapter, and a composite to HDMI adapter, making it possible to use modern computers and game systems on an analog screen/TV, or to use your classic game systems on a modern TV. They also sell VGA to HDMI adapters, and powsibly HDMI to VGA adapters, so you can use classic computers on a modern TV or a modern computer on an analog screen.
I have a 1920x1200 Eyoyo and the colour gamut is poor and I cannot get a calibrator to work on it.
The OSD is even more annoying than on yours and the remote is a must-have for actually selecting options.
Otherwise, it's fine...