Love your overall reflection of it all Andy. You did great for a first marathon especially with the lack of long runs. I've run quite a few marathons now and this one was the closest to getting my fuelling and hydration right, which is why I think that I didn't hit the wall. Looking forward to hearing what you'll decide for your second marathon.
I'm learning that's what this running lark is all about, patience and experience. I've learned some valuable lessons and looking forward to taking them on and making me a better runner! Not sure what's next - have you considered anything yet?
@@HereWeAreRunning Chris, this would be an expensive suggestion, but have you considered applying to run the 2023 New York City Marathon? It's the world's largest marathon, and you have probably heard from your running friends about the fabulous turnout of cheering spectators all along the course. It is difficult to get in, unless you go to the expense of applying through an approved International Tour Operator which they will list on their website each year. I hope you can do this one, and if you come to New York City, let us American fans meet you.
Sorry Andy, but you got it all backwards there mate! If you go out too fast (in your case below the 4h finish time), you primarily use carbohydrate/glycogen to fuel your energy needs, whereas by slowing down, the balance is tipped more towards fat-burning which will prolong your availability of glycogen i your muscles;) I know it's a learning curve, I've been there myself! My advice would be to read a book like "Advanced Marathoning" by Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas. Don't let the title put you off. There is solid information in that book! Cheers;)
You have such a great attitude. So refreshing. There’s no ego in it - just pure enjoyment of running. Also, Matt’s channel’s great, solid recommendation.
Ran 2:56:30 in brighton that day! Second time racing the distance! Tips for hydration- Maurten gels there a hydration gel with water in them! Need to start taking gels every 30 mins from the start! The night before and morning off have a dash of diluted orange/ mi waidi in your water! Extra sugar and salt will be of benefit! Best of luck your only getting started 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
You smashed Brighton marathon. Well done. Great running and advice and look forward to the future training videos and future runs. P.s. Funny you mentioned about sun cream. I got burnt as a spectator that day. Suggestion Chester marathon in October.
Nice one Paul. That harsh sun was sneaky wasn't it! I got burned on the back of my shoulder blade that I thought was covered... Chester sounds like fun! It's in my thoughts!
I completely agree with you about not liking to run with a hydration vest. I rely only on race course water stations, and on training runs, rely on water fountains in public parks or a trail campground. A heavy hydration vest just ruins the free feeling of running.
@@itsonandy Andy, you should be proud! Plus I saw your video of your stunning half marathon a few weeks ago. You are doing so great at your running passion!
Brighton is one of biggest in Europe and a great race to do, especially a first one which is one you will remember forever. No need to run with a hydration vest on road marathons, especially big city ones as plenty of water on course. Onwards and upwards!
Cheers Donato. I was delighted to cross that finish line... Now I've done one I can consider different strategies - but I won't think too hard over it!
Hi Andy loved the video, Brighton will be my first marathon and I loved hearing your experience as it was your first marathon! Have to say I’m so excited for the marathon and a late well done
I have absolutely loved this series Andy! Was so grateful to see you on race day both running and at the end! You rock & I can’t wait to see what’s next!!!
Ah nice one Hannah! Your cheering certainly helped 😎 I haven't got another marathon planned yet but if/wehn I do ill consider doing another series like this!
Great review Andy. Good luck with your upcoming half marathons. I got my 5k and half marathon pb’s within a month of my spring marathon. Once you are recovered you’ll be fitter than ever 😀
I'm feeling better than ever to be honest! I've just gotta get back on the horse and keep up the intensity and keep improving. Results are addictive, especially ones that you like!
A really great first marathon, Andy. If I ever do one I hope it goes that well. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, I'm going to train the exact same way for my next marathon lol. Good luck with your evolution and your next races 👍🏻🏃♂️
I wouldn’t worry about running without the hydration vest. I trained without water then just took water on through the course at Manchester. Potentially may need to look at how often you are taking gels as you said for future, I took one every 4 miles however I know some take every 5k so it’s trial and error. You’d absolutely smash Manchester and seeing your video made me jealous and want that finish line feeling again so I’ve signed up to Manchester for next year! Your going to smash your PB’s as the year goes on one your legs fully recover the strength you’ll have will be unbelievable
Cheers! Mnchester is deffo high up on my list, for next year or the year after. Legs are starting to come back to some sort of normality now so we will see how I go!
Smashed it mate! Great video. 4:22 is an incredible marathon time, I’ve always seen 4 hours regarded as the point where you’re a damn good runner, so to get so close is great. Was hoping to see you at Birmingham half marathon, but not sure I’ll make it now - looking at Bath Two Tunnels half the week after.
Cheers Sam. I'm mega pleased with 4:22 and I reckon I can improve on that one day. Bath sounds fun! I'll vlog bham so can see what it would have been like 👍🏻
Smashing Andy, it's all progress mate and it's your story of progression.. I think im leaning towards the Yorkshire marathon next in October. Hopefully i might bump into you at a race for a chat 👍🏻 keep the videos and training coming 👊🏻👊🏻
Ran this marathon twice now and the support has been amazing. One of my favourites for its sheer friendliness to newer marathon runners. Ps. 4h22 is still a great time! Especially for your first.
Thanks Mohamed - I hugely enjoyed it and I would hugely agree it was such a welcoming and all inclusive event. I may look at doing it in alternate years 😁
That was a fantastic first marathon! I think part of the reason you hit the wall so hard and the issues at the end, was the mistakes you made in hydration and nutrition. (I made the same mistake in my first marathon!) If your looking at another marathon in the uk I’d look at Loch Ness it’s amazing… if your looking abroad I’ve got a whole list for you!!
Well done Andy 4.22 is a great time for your first marathon. Well done. You now have the experience of the distance and I’m sure you’ll take big chunks out of that time in the next one .
Like the breakdown of the day mate. I would say it was a successful first marathon with everything you would have learnt from the day 👍 surely it can only get easier next time 😁 well done mate 👏
@@itsonandy So many other races to try before giving Brighton another bash. I have no doubt you will see some improvement along the way. I have no clue what to do next 🤔 I'm in some sort of lost place after mine 🤣 London parks in October is all that's pencilled in.
great postrace debrief Andy, good luck with the Half's coming up. I definitely recommend some longer runs in your next Marathon training, I do a 23 miler and at least Two 21+ mile runs. you don't need to go that heavy but if you want to be stronger in the later part id put in at least Two 20+ mile runs. great video as always
Nice one Ian. Yeah that's totally where I need to improve, and now I've got confidence that I can move that distance I will definitely throw some 20+ers in the mix next time. Also gives me a good chance to practice with gels and water etc.👍🏻
@@itsonandy and that's 1 thing that's great about running we are always learning and improving. also if your gonna aim for Sub 4h attempt you will need to consume a gel at least every 30mins. taking your first one on the start line. good luck with training. will be great to see you hit a sub 1:45 in one of your half's coming up.
Great reflection on everything Andy, and you learn from it all (whether it’s good or bad!) As your the Midlands way there is a running company called How Hard Can It Be who put in something decent events (half and full marathons), always worth looking in to what they puy on for inspiration
@@itsonandy Andy, yes, LA would be warm for you -- probably too warm. I lived in Los Angeles all my life -- native born -- until I moved to New York City last September at age 72. The Los Angeles Marathon is hilly, hot, and has relatively few spectators. The New York City Marathon is difficult to get into, unless you sign up and pay through an approved International Tour Operator, but it is VERY exciting with thousands of spectators. You might love the NYC Marathon [world's largest marathon].
Congrats Andy! Impressive debut, excited to hear what you’ve got planned next. After my first marathon I said I was never going to do that again and yet I did 6 more including Boston. My wife and I are wondering what you say at the end of your videos.. is it “ta-da” or “ta-rah”? 🙂 We both have English relatives but never heard this greeting before
Boston is the dream for me! I can see a new addiction forming nicely... Yes it's ta-da... the further north you go in England it turns into ta-ra, or even Traaah up in Manchester! It's something that we say here in the Midlands!
Amazing! I’m so excited for you. I enjoyed the process of qualifying more than the race itself, you’re going to have so many memories from this journey to get you there. Can’t wait to see it unfold. Ta-Dah! 🤗
hi andy, great achievement. you only learn & get better through trial & error & you can certainly take valuable experience from your run. still a very good time for your first !! it does sound like you may need to re valuate your hydration & nutrition though from you symptom during the latter stages & afterwards. sounds like you were completely depleted of your energy levels. by any stretch im no expert & mk marathon coming up is only my 3rd. ill be carrying 2 x 500mm water bottles with electrolytes (on a waist belt) then water from the stations if necessary or to cool myself down. i have been practising taking energy gels after 1 hour then every half hour before it gets too late for them to work !! conditions & exerted effort all factor in so i like to cater for worse case senario & be prepared. everyone is different & requirements are personal so just practise this on your long long runs. if you add maybe a one or two 20 miler into your training to get the miles into your legs. good luck on your next venture
Thanks- some great advice. I am considering using a belt... the wrm weather had a part to play too, and more electrolytes my have helped. Anyway - so glad to have finished the damn thing!
Great vlog. I always go with 6 k hit a gel. All personal. I do my halfs on no hydration and low heart rate if i can.in the last 3 years. This where i ferl my times have got better .for me .. great marathon
@@itsonandy i did readi g half did maurten carb drink then gel every 6k..worked for me.alot seem to say gel before u start.then its hit your body when u need it...
Your Half and 5km times were indicators of a faster Full Marathon time. But you’re right your lack of long runs probably meant a sub 4 was beyond you this time but you definitely have the talent to go faster as your other times in other distances prove.
Take a look at what you eat the day before, I drank to much cola and popcorn the night before London and died at about half way ,having to walk with cramp,at one point St John's ambulance had someone on a stretcher and they were moving quicker than me ,managed to pick up a little to wards the end and finished in 3.54 with a great sense of disappointment ,it was a very warm day and drank too little during the race and ran to fast ,so many mistakes! Was in the top 1000 at half way and had about 8000 runners come past me ,nightmare!!!
Nice one Lee. That sounds like a very character building experience and one you've probably learned loads from. Are you doing London again for some unfinished business?
@@itsonandy no not running London or any where at the moment,a dodgy knee and father time as taken that away,although saying that I went down to London with a guy who was 56 and he ran 2 .56 ,so shows you your never too old
I'm doing Chelmsford, it's in October so plenty of time to recover and train. Chelmsford will be my second marathon. It's easy to get to by train as well, start is less than a mile from the train station.
If we don't reflect we won't learn and if we don't learn we don't get better. But you should also pat yourself on the back. You finished a marathon. It's only upwards from here mate 🏃
Love your overall reflection of it all Andy. You did great for a first marathon especially with the lack of long runs. I've run quite a few marathons now and this one was the closest to getting my fuelling and hydration right, which is why I think that I didn't hit the wall. Looking forward to hearing what you'll decide for your second marathon.
I'm learning that's what this running lark is all about, patience and experience. I've learned some valuable lessons and looking forward to taking them on and making me a better runner! Not sure what's next - have you considered anything yet?
@@itsonandy I've been spending this recovery period doing a bit of research and planning. Not signed up to anything yet but have an idea in mind.
@@HereWeAreRunning Chris, this would be an expensive suggestion, but have you considered applying to run the 2023 New York City Marathon? It's the world's largest marathon, and you have probably heard from your running friends about the fabulous turnout of cheering spectators all along the course. It is difficult to get in, unless you go to the expense of applying through an approved International Tour Operator which they will list on their website each year. I hope you can do this one, and if you come to New York City, let us American fans meet you.
Yessss!!! Getting to the start line is the major achievement. The race is just the victory lap.
100%, so much of the work is done before you even toe the start line 😁
Sorry Andy, but you got it all backwards there mate! If you go out too fast (in your case below the 4h finish time), you primarily use carbohydrate/glycogen to fuel your energy needs, whereas by slowing down, the balance is tipped more towards fat-burning which will prolong your availability of glycogen i your muscles;) I know it's a learning curve, I've been there myself! My advice would be to read a book like "Advanced Marathoning" by Pete Pfitzinger and Scott Douglas. Don't let the title put you off. There is solid information in that book! Cheers;)
You have such a great attitude. So refreshing. There’s no ego in it - just pure enjoyment of running.
Also, Matt’s channel’s great, solid recommendation.
Thanks, it helps that I'm relatively new to it all so I'm constantly learning. Matt is a great lad, very determined but hugely grounded.
Ran 2:56:30 in brighton that day! Second time racing the distance! Tips for hydration- Maurten gels there a hydration gel with water in them! Need to start taking gels every 30 mins from the start! The night before and morning off have a dash of diluted orange/ mi waidi in your water! Extra sugar and salt will be of benefit! Best of luck your only getting started 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Thanks Tadhg, I'm learning all the time. Sub 3 is a fantastic effort, well done 👏
You smashed Brighton marathon. Well done. Great running and advice and look forward to the future training videos and future runs.
P.s. Funny you mentioned about sun cream. I got burnt as a spectator that day.
Suggestion Chester marathon in October.
Nice one Paul. That harsh sun was sneaky wasn't it! I got burned on the back of my shoulder blade that I thought was covered... Chester sounds like fun! It's in my thoughts!
I completely agree with you about not liking to run with a hydration vest. I rely only on race course water stations, and on training runs, rely on water fountains in public parks or a trail campground. A heavy hydration vest just ruins the free feeling of running.
I don't mind on a training run but one of the main points of a race is to not have to carry all my stuff with me! Those water cups are a pain though.
@@fatrunner Yes, the water cups are a pain, but still better than the weight and chafing of a hydration vest.
Yes I'm not a fan of the vests, ill only wear them when I have to!
@@itsonandy Me too -- and "when I have to" is never !!!!
Andy, you should be very very very proud of your 4:22 marathon. Well done!
Thanks Cathy - I'm proud that I managed to finish!
@@itsonandy Andy, you should be proud! Plus I saw your video of your stunning half marathon a few weeks ago. You are doing so great at your running passion!
Brighton is one of biggest in Europe and a great race to do, especially a first one which is one you will remember forever. No need to run with a hydration vest on road marathons, especially big city ones as plenty of water on course. Onwards and upwards!
Cheers Donato. I was delighted to cross that finish line... Now I've done one I can consider different strategies - but I won't think too hard over it!
@@itsonandy thinking is dangerous lol
Hi Andy loved the video, Brighton will be my first marathon and I loved hearing your experience as it was your first marathon! Have to say I’m so excited for the marathon and a late well done
All the best with it - I absolutely loved Brighton I thought it was awesome. Thanks for watching ❤️
I have absolutely loved this series Andy! Was so grateful to see you on race day both running and at the end! You rock & I can’t wait to see what’s next!!!
Ah nice one Hannah! Your cheering certainly helped 😎 I haven't got another marathon planned yet but if/wehn I do ill consider doing another series like this!
Great review Andy. Good luck with your upcoming half marathons. I got my 5k and half marathon pb’s within a month of my spring marathon. Once you are recovered you’ll be fitter than ever 😀
I'm feeling better than ever to be honest! I've just gotta get back on the horse and keep up the intensity and keep improving. Results are addictive, especially ones that you like!
Great running Andy and it was a fabulous day for a first marathon! Congratulations 🥳 🏁🏃🏻♂️
Cheers Michael! Magic wasn't it, couldn't have asked for a better day ❤️
A really great first marathon, Andy. If I ever do one I hope it goes that well. I don't think I've ever heard anyone say, I'm going to train the exact same way for my next marathon lol. Good luck with your evolution and your next races 👍🏻🏃♂️
Thanks Mark! It was a learning curve, and it went really well for me. Came out yhe other end smiling which was the main thing!
I wouldn’t worry about running without the hydration vest. I trained without water then just took water on through the course at Manchester. Potentially may need to look at how often you are taking gels as you said for future, I took one every 4 miles however I know some take every 5k so it’s trial and error. You’d absolutely smash Manchester and seeing your video made me jealous and want that finish line feeling again so I’ve signed up to Manchester for next year! Your going to smash your PB’s as the year goes on one your legs fully recover the strength you’ll have will be unbelievable
Cheers! Mnchester is deffo high up on my list, for next year or the year after. Legs are starting to come back to some sort of normality now so we will see how I go!
Smashed it mate! Great video. 4:22 is an incredible marathon time, I’ve always seen 4 hours regarded as the point where you’re a damn good runner, so to get so close is great. Was hoping to see you at Birmingham half marathon, but not sure I’ll make it now - looking at Bath Two Tunnels half the week after.
Cheers Sam. I'm mega pleased with 4:22 and I reckon I can improve on that one day. Bath sounds fun! I'll vlog bham so can see what it would have been like 👍🏻
Smashing Andy, it's all progress mate and it's your story of progression.. I think im leaning towards the Yorkshire marathon next in October. Hopefully i might bump into you at a race for a chat 👍🏻 keep the videos and training coming 👊🏻👊🏻
I'd love that mate. Is Yorkshire marathon the one that's in Leeds or York? Chester sounds good too 👍🏻
Ran this marathon twice now and the support has been amazing. One of my favourites for its sheer friendliness to newer marathon runners. Ps. 4h22 is still a great time! Especially for your first.
Thanks Mohamed - I hugely enjoyed it and I would hugely agree it was such a welcoming and all inclusive event. I may look at doing it in alternate years 😁
That was a fantastic first marathon! I think part of the reason you hit the wall so hard and the issues at the end, was the mistakes you made in hydration and nutrition. (I made the same mistake in my first marathon!) If your looking at another marathon in the uk I’d look at Loch Ness it’s amazing… if your looking abroad I’ve got a whole list for you!!
I've been considering the LN marathon for a while now! Sounds like a fun one ❤️ Thanks for your comment!
Great vid and well done! Maybe see you on the start line in brum next week!
Yes Hayley! See ya there - race number came today and I'm mega excited, I think it'll be bostin'!
Well done Andy 4.22 is a great time for your first marathon. Well done. You now have the experience of the distance and I’m sure you’ll take big chunks out of that time in the next one .
Thanks Douglas! It sure felt amazing when I crossed the line and I'm hoping to try out different marathons around the country/world!
@@itsonandy just back from Boston and was 8 minutes quicker than last year as a result of changing my fuelling. Always learning.
That's amazing - must be a great feeling when your tactical changes show big results. Well done 👏
Like the breakdown of the day mate. I would say it was a successful first marathon with everything you would have learnt from the day 👍 surely it can only get easier next time 😁 well done mate 👏
I'm not sure I'll run Brighton every year, maybe once every 2/3 years. Hopefully there will be improvements over the coming months and years!
@@itsonandy So many other races to try before giving Brighton another bash. I have no doubt you will see some improvement along the way. I have no clue what to do next 🤔 I'm in some sort of lost place after mine 🤣 London parks in October is all that's pencilled in.
great postrace debrief Andy, good luck with the Half's coming up. I definitely recommend some longer runs in your next Marathon training, I do a 23 miler and at least Two 21+ mile runs. you don't need to go that heavy but if you want to be stronger in the later part id put in at least Two 20+ mile runs. great video as always
Nice one Ian. Yeah that's totally where I need to improve, and now I've got confidence that I can move that distance I will definitely throw some 20+ers in the mix next time. Also gives me a good chance to practice with gels and water etc.👍🏻
@@itsonandy and that's 1 thing that's great about running we are always learning and improving. also if your gonna aim for Sub 4h attempt you will need to consume a gel at least every 30mins. taking your first one on the start line. good luck with training. will be great to see you hit a sub 1:45 in one of your half's coming up.
A great dissection of the marathon, hope you enjoyed reflecting on it. See you at the Birmingham Half! :)
Yes!!! Come say hi if you see me crying to the gopro again 🤣😭
Great reflection on everything Andy, and you learn from it all (whether it’s good or bad!)
As your the Midlands way there is a running company called How Hard Can It Be who put in something decent events (half and full marathons), always worth looking in to what they puy on for inspiration
Nice one Gez, I'll check them out!
Awesome summary and some wise words!
My first marathon... Wouldn't have changed a thing, even now. Brighton was loads of fun!
Welcome to the (marathon) club. LA 2023, looks like a good one!
LA?? Sounds very interesting but I'd imagine it would be a bit warm for me!
@@itsonandy Andy, yes, LA would be warm for you -- probably too warm. I lived in Los Angeles all my life -- native born -- until I moved to New York City last September at age 72. The Los Angeles Marathon is hilly, hot, and has relatively few spectators. The New York City Marathon is difficult to get into, unless you sign up and pay through an approved International Tour Operator, but it is VERY exciting with thousands of spectators. You might love the NYC Marathon [world's largest marathon].
Congrats Andy! Impressive debut, excited to hear what you’ve got planned next. After my first marathon I said I was never going to do that again and yet I did 6 more including Boston.
My wife and I are wondering what you say at the end of your videos.. is it “ta-da” or “ta-rah”? 🙂
We both have English relatives but never heard this greeting before
Boston is the dream for me! I can see a new addiction forming nicely...
Yes it's ta-da... the further north you go in England it turns into ta-ra, or even Traaah up in Manchester! It's something that we say here in the Midlands!
Amazing! I’m so excited for you. I enjoyed the process of qualifying more than the race itself, you’re going to have so many memories from this journey to get you there. Can’t wait to see it unfold. Ta-Dah! 🤗
hi andy, great achievement. you only learn & get better through trial & error & you can certainly take valuable experience from your run. still a very good time for your first !!
it does sound like you may need to re valuate your hydration & nutrition though from you symptom during the latter stages & afterwards. sounds like you were completely depleted of your energy levels.
by any stretch im no expert & mk marathon coming up is only my 3rd. ill be carrying 2 x 500mm water bottles with electrolytes (on a waist belt) then water from the stations if necessary or to cool myself down. i have been practising taking energy gels after 1 hour then every half hour before it gets too late for them to work !!
conditions & exerted effort all factor in so i like to cater for worse case senario & be prepared. everyone is different & requirements are personal so just practise this on your long long runs. if you add maybe a one or two 20 miler into your training to get the miles into your legs. good luck on your next venture
Thanks- some great advice. I am considering using a belt... the wrm weather had a part to play too, and more electrolytes my have helped. Anyway - so glad to have finished the damn thing!
Great vlog. I always go with 6 k hit a gel. All personal. I do my halfs on no hydration and low heart rate if i can.in the last 3 years. This where i ferl my times have got better .for me .. great marathon
Interesting, I might pop a gel early doors next time 👍🏻
@@itsonandy i did readi g half did maurten carb drink then gel every 6k..worked for me.alot seem to say gel before u start.then its hit your body when u need it...
Your Half and 5km times were indicators of a faster Full Marathon time. But you’re right your lack of long runs probably meant a sub 4 was beyond you this time but you definitely have the talent to go faster as your other times in other distances prove.
Thanks Eoin, I was seeing huge improvements over the shorter distances but a marathon is a different beast altogether as I learned!
Take a look at what you eat the day before, I drank to much cola and popcorn the night before London and died at about half way ,having to walk with cramp,at one point St John's ambulance had someone on a stretcher and they were moving quicker than me ,managed to pick up a little to wards the end and finished in 3.54 with a great sense of disappointment ,it was a very warm day and drank too little during the race and ran to fast ,so many mistakes! Was in the top 1000 at half way and had about 8000 runners come past me ,nightmare!!!
Nice one Lee. That sounds like a very character building experience and one you've probably learned loads from. Are you doing London again for some unfinished business?
@@itsonandy no not running London or any where at the moment,a dodgy knee and father time as taken that away,although saying that I went down to London with a guy who was 56 and he ran 2 .56 ,so shows you your never too old
Good luck with the Birmingham run .
Thanks Claire 😁
Peanut butter and a protein bar is an interesting choice
Yay see ya at Birmingham half mate 🤟🏻
Nice one mate - see you there. Might dress as Tommy Shelby 🤣
Chelmsford Marathon ?
I've heard about the Chelmsford marathon - I take it it's an autumn one? Also I've never been there... Adding it to the research pile!
I'm doing Chelmsford, it's in October so plenty of time to recover and train. Chelmsford will be my second marathon. It's easy to get to by train as well, start is less than a mile from the train station.
If we don't reflect we won't learn and if we don't learn we don't get better. But you should also pat yourself on the back. You finished a marathon. It's only upwards from here mate 🏃
I love that! Great words of wisdom, thank you so much 🙏
Pinch a cup at the top making a spout. Easier to drink from.
Brilliant shout Gary. Can't believe I've never considered that.