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Dragons' Den | Series 16 Episode 13 | BBC
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She's not an entrepreneur, she's an employee.
Well not exactly since she has part of the business but yes kind of a glorified employee basically which usually people in high position in a business are since many companies give shares etc to their CEO's and managers etc so they will probably avoid cash bonuses etc along with incentivising them on doing a good job by being part of the company.
Remchaill Not if she has the voting rights. There are industries with a huge average percentage of debt (leverage) financing - doesn’t make them any less of a company. Shareholders without voting rights are effectively the same!
And for that reason, I'm out.
So a Germanic American Anglo “alliance” she wants hmmmm the last “meet-up” we all had that made the books didn’t go too well did it!!!This is no different 😆😂
She dont own business start one have invest fee mean what shock takes work
Love how Touka keeps eating the sweets almost quicker before she is rejected
😂
Lol
successwin mindset
Ha !! Very good !!
Whoever Deborah spots something and makes an early exit, it usually spells disaster in the den. People mistake how much power and presence she really has in there, she definitely wears the trousers!
@Dave Steward you can’t even spell
Or you are not very good at sarcasms, Marina. These women usually have the lowest net worths out of all the dragons/investors on these shows and they are there to mollify annoying SJWs when they whine, kvetch and moan about the “lack of DIVERSSIITTTY!”.
And while Deborah’s business acumen is one of the best (and only a bit behind Peter), it’s Peter who often asks the important questions and brings out pitch flaws, that go on to doom an investor.
@@armans2473 what was the point of your comment
As soon as Deborah asks to read something you are screwed
She's clearly the most respected in that room out if the dragons.
Many of them follow as she leads cause she usually makes the best investments and spots when something is off
She actually believes she owns the business at 10%, kinda reminds me of how those MLM people feel.
Right? And at any time they wanted, Katjes could strong-arm her out of the deal (which probably would have happened, had this pitch been successful).
Considering 10% of the company is no more then small restuant to the bigger company but if she owned atleast 50% to 60% then it would give her the legal right to the corrperite choice but on the positive note if the request was the rejected then ask for contact tips in the trade to branch out
They all look like they haven't slept since 2013
God yes, Peter Jones looks like he's crawled in from sleeping in the local park
They sniff to much gear😂
Hahahah I think it’s cuz of the lighting 😂
As Rick James would say:
"Cocaine's a helluva drug!"
Jenny’s been sleeping out since 1963
Bill Gates: hi Jenny I'm offering you 50% of Microsoft, totally free
Jenny : I'm out
🤣🤣🤣
@@DJSherinee Best comment by far
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😂😂
Alex Jewitt 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m a dark beer with a milky, malted consistency.
And for that reason, I’m Stout.
I am a species of freshwater fish belonging to the genera Oncorhynchus, Salmo and Salvelinus, all of the subfamily Salmoninae of the family Salmonidae.
And for that reason, I`m a trout.
I am lack of confidence and uncertainty
And for that reason, I'm doubt
J F B Weak.
Take your damn upvote.
This thread is genius! 🤣🤣👍
She was on Shark Tank and had same exact issue, she was representing a company with only 10% share holdings. She was denied by all sharks.
link please
its like me buying Tesla's share for a measly 2 Lots and start negotiating a merger with Microsoft. INSANITY
Gotta wonder if it’s real or staged then.
Knew it! I knew she looked familiar from shark tank.
@@mynamejeb8743 its nothing like that at all
Melissa killing it on arm day though.
Edit: well this thread blew up.
Sean Wilkinson .... is that because they look like mans arms? 😂
@@StevenM1 Women can be fit and have muscles too, or have you never seen a woman in real life?
Eddie Spaghetti ..... I like my women to look like women my friend, that’s all I’m saying. Maybe your’e confused, women are the ones with nothing dangling between their legs ........ you can thank me later
@@StevenM1 killing it on sexist day though.
Debarka Mukhopadhyay ...,here we go, sjw alert!!!
Get a grip on your oestrogen please, there is nothing sexist about the fact that I don’t like women that are built like men. Thanks for your concern sweetheart.
Can't tell if that lady in the red is disappointed or having a stroke
Lul
She’s having a stroke
Nah she’s just ‘out’ of it
She looks terrifying,
The bloke in red is actually a lady!!!
Dragons don't have dens. Lions have dens. Dragons have lairs.
All these years and i never clicked on to that.
@Israel Did 9/11 lol
Israel Did 9/11 Yes they do. I`ve seen them on the telly.
these animal names referring to human beings are so stupid. What are we 5 years old again?
Actually its a misspelling, should have been Dragons Dense or Dense Dragons
She says “I don’t really see it that way” as if that rewrites the facts.
It’s the whole VoteLeave argument all over again
@@VanceRefrigeration Alternative Facts here in the US where shes from, shes probably one of those anyway
She must be a democrat
@@pegleg2959
A Republican is more accurate. Seriously, Trump himself coined the phrase “Alternative Facts” to excuse inaccuracies and cries “Fake News” every time he hears something he doesn’t like. 😂
@@kiddfaith4397 true
Jenny: "... You're very naive"
Melissa: 👁👄👁
More like: 👁-👁
Jenny: for that reason I'm a out
very original comment well done
It's
👁 👁
👄
you absolute nob.
The minute Melissa turned out to be a minority shareholder/junior partner/glorified employee in a business that is part of a global conglomerate based in Germany, the Dragons attitudes were collectively like "Well, what are we talking to you for?".
A try for an unfriendly take over of Tej's or Peter's enterprise. LOL
That usually happens. There was a similar 90-10 situation with a guy with a device made to keep the fizz in champagne. If you are not the majority shareholder and you don't have at least one other shareholder waiting downstairs, then your pitch will collapse.
ok, Mondelez owns Cadbury. Imagine if this woman held 10% of the shares and kinda ran it, then went on this sham of a TV show where the Dragons are looking for little startups to support with an investment and their personal help, and said "I own this candy business"
@@suave-rider My guess is the attitude would be like "You got a business up and running. What do you need us for and what's in it for us?".
One of the Den's best, with great business lessons. Melissa's side of this Den episode is also worth reading, as I explain at the end. She was there for over three hours!
The unravelling of the business structure first reveals a couple of serious problems in the pitch (ie. the ownership, and the absence of the majority shareholder), but as it's hammered in turn by each of the Dragon's, especially after Deborah's quick precis of the shareholder's agreement, we learn that the whatever a business does, and whoever is involved in the directorship and decision making, the business is under the control of the majority shareholders, and if the majority is a company, rather than an individual, then it's a "subsidiary" of that company.
This explains Elon Musk and Twitter, and the "hostile takeovers" we sometimes see in the news.
After watching the clip I felt that Melissa deserved to be destroyed as she was, but with a little research I found her side of the story, and now I'm not so sure it was really her fault.
Primarily, the BBC approached Magic Candy Factory to appear, and the company provided full details of the share structure *before* appearing in the Den. Melissa also points out that 3 hours in the den was edited to 15 minutes. Lastly, she addresses something which has always concerned me - the amount of preparation required by a startup with a small team. I picture myself spending sleepless weeks preparing while also running my business, and then still getting roasted for missing something, or forgetting numbers which I must present from memory.
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“Obviously a huge amount of editing goes into each episode and they are only able to show around 15 minutes of each entrepreneur, when really I was in the Den for over three hours pitching and answering questions. Unfortunately my most memorable moments didn’t make it on air.”
Snover says appearing on the show definitely raised her profile. “We have had a lot of enquiries through for both businesses as a result of appearing on Dragons’ Den, but I believe we could have achieved similar results had we focused the same time and resources into doing our own PR and marketing,” she adds.
Would she recommend other companies, especially start-up, appear on the show? “For a start-up, the amount of due diligence and documentation you have to provide is extensive and can be a strain on a small team. The BBC approached us to go in the Den, and we provided all details of our shareholding before appearing on the show so I did find the way they edited the piece and the process overall a little frustrating. Having said that, it was certainly a learning curve and gave our brands some great exposure.”
Thanks for sharing all that!
Thank you Mr. Hawking for doing us another great service even after your death
@@pranavkarmarkar You're welcome! I'm reconsidering my position on the afterlife, but am awaiting more evidence.
Upvoted for visibility. This clarifies so mu h
So nice to see this perspective. Thanks for sharing
These so called 'entrepreneurs' aren't very smart are they... Don't they know that you never accept candy from strangers?!
Not even 3D printed candy is safe from the hands of strangers.....
but it is fine to accept candy from machine, you know "machine can't harm human"
….they didn't accept candy from her
@@RealityCheck6T9 they ate it in the beginning
Call me naive but I think she just came with the sole intention of getting a free 10 minute prime time advertising slot for "her" product. She obviously knew the ownership question would come up as she had the paperwork ready and as soon as it was raised nobody would invest in the product because they didn't have a clue what they were getting into.
Not sure why you would cash several million in and then not invest more than a modest amount into your next idea ... something doesn't quite stack up here.
Blame the producers for setting her up to fail. They knew the show wants independent small business owners, but they recruited her and had her on the show knowing she was already backed by a giant candy company. Don't blame her, she is a victim of greedy television producers wanting a salacious clip.
No. Most of the people that have been there does not even get 1minute of TV time. If 20 people come only 5 of them will ever get to be in their program
Pretty much, Katjes was namedropped a bunch of times on British tv, which usually has strict product placement guidelines, this just seems an insidious attempt to snag prime advertising like you said.
@@G1NZOU Katje isn't a British product so that's pretty irrelevant...
@@callum9999 considering that i'm not British and still saw this clip, I'd say it's pretty relevant.
Jenny: I exist, and for that reason, I'm out
What she was here for is called shark tank effect. This is a great way to market products like these without having to spend a single penny on marketing.
And now she realises... she's been screwed by her 'business partner'. .
Many times
William Steven I see what you did there, so I’m do a Jenny and be out
she prob got screwed in many meanings of the term too! ^^
I think she knew it all the time
Melisa licking her lips constantly gives me anxiety
Gets me horny ngl them lips on my huge head and shoving it in between her lips as she sucks trust she knows how to work it.
@@thealien_ali3382 tf bro
Luiz 😂😂😂😂
Wtf man
Ali Abbas fucks sake bruv😷😷
Not disclosing the sell price of her former company and only owning 10% of her current company makes me suspect that she may not have sold her company for millions as she claimed.
I know I'm 3 years late, but watching it, I honestly think she sold her former company for the 10% ownership of that one
Jenny: I just don’t see it working for me and for that reason I’m out...
Film crew: ahhh we haven’t started filming yet Jenny.
Very good publicity stunt.
also the best comment section ever.
It's like first half she scores 3 goals, second half she concedes 4
Jenny has no money im convinced.
lol
lol
Which ones Jenny
Chitoge Kirisaki the one in red
daniela oh thanks
Either this woman is very naive or very dishonest, and I'm really not sure which. It's a shame as it looks like she was on her way to an investment.
Possibly a combination of both. Just plain weird.
Surely it can't be nievety because she has sold a company she owns for in the millions which is quite an achievement. I think she was trying to hide that fact from the dragons, she should have included the share structure in the pitch when she started talking. It's definitely made her come off as dishonest looking like she was trying to pass the business off as her own.
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Either she asked her partner to come and he said no, or more likely she’s a bit narcissistic and wanted to take all the TV glory for herself.
She’s not naive... just a “used car saleswoman”
@3:57 😂😂😂😂 Jenny kills me with her facial expressions and then the absentee Willie Wonka comment had me rolling😂
How relieved was jenny when they discovered the terms of the shareholders agreement. Her reason to be out for the 63rd time in one series.
We need a compilation of all the narrators vapid titles he gives the dragons, like calling Tej "The Vitamin King", "The supplement supremo" etc.
If there was a dragon that had a sex toy company along with his main buiseness or owned a few prostitute houses would the narrator say something like "Andrew Bold the king of sex is making her an offer"
Katjes is a 308 million Euro company. Less than Peter and Tej but still massive.
I'm very sure she would of got an investment if the company was her own.
I don't get it. She sold her first company for millions and it cost 800k to start this one so why didn't she use her own capital?
@@jayo3074 I don't think it costs 800k. I believe she was sent by Katjes to acquire a business partner with the expertise in the vitamin business. They probably thought that this would be the quickest way to reach the guy they want. It's really shady at best.
Damn your good =o...
Not from Jenny 😂😂😂
@@shinobi2119 She WOOD & YOU'RE English is crap.
"I'm out, there for I am" - *Jenny*
Wow katjes is a massive brand in germany, funny how unpopular it is in the UK
It's basically unknown in the UK. I'm British and I've never heard of it!
With a name like that are you suprised😁
Not really.
In Dutch it means kittens 🤔
Loooove Katjes Yogurt gums.... kinda Jelly Babies but with yogurt „yumm“I
“This could further sour the mood in the den”
haha these puns from the voiceover are actually too much 😂
Katjes: We need to market our innovative product, but PPC in UK is expensive.
Melissa: I'll go on TV instead!
Jenny have you got a spare cigarette?
Jenny : im out
He owns 90% of the business and, one, he didn't 'feel like he needed to be here', and two, he DIDN'T split it 50/50 with his brilliant wife???
Katjes is a 300 million Euro per year company. Do you really think he would fly to the UK for 80k?
@@jennysue601 It doesn't matter if he turns over 300million.Thats not the point how can you come on dragons den expecting to get an investment when your the majority shareholder.If 80k is nothing why are they even on the show.Why doesn't he put the money in from his "300 Million"
It wasn't Katjes that seeked an investment nor did Katjes or its owner come to Dragons Den.
@@jennysue601 If you watch from 6:00 to 8:38 they explain katjes owns the business by explaining the shareholder agreement it blatantly says on the paper it's an agreetment with katjes they sent this naive women In thinking they goner get the investment rather then send the majority stakeholder
No. That's not what has been said. Katjes own 90%. Never disagreed with that. But that doesn't mean Katjes wanted 80k investment and therefore as the OP said should be there. Katjes operates on a buy and hold mode. It's international brands are managed locally and remain legally and organisationally independent.
This thread is about the premise that Katjes owner should be there. To that I commented that Katjes is far far too big to bother to fly to the UK for 80k.
Dragon: So do you own this business?Entrepreneur: No but I cook and clean for the owner he said I could pitch for more cash for the business.
She has 10 per cent shareholding. Hardly the cleaner.
Too the replies on this comment
r/WHOOOOSH
@Terror But it's also NOT control of any kind. She "feels" like it's a different situation than it is. Classic difference between men and women. Even this successful business woman is guided by her "feelings" and think her "feelings" have some legal weight.
@Fab Elger
I think you're missing the point. They're just getting free advertising for their product. It's the raison d'tre for the show.
Fab Elger my dear, I think you’re misinformed. They are not offered to buy into Katjes. The offer is for this Vitamin which is basically a subsidiary of Katjes. So no, they didn’t pass on a multimillion Candy deal. And these so called “stupid dragons” will have more money in this lifetime than you in the next 100.
For everyone...Jenny only did it to get on TV. She said it herself!
Omg 😂😂 although she's now a laughing shock so I wonder if it was worth it in her eyes
@@stinameaner that's what you get for not taking peoples dreams seriously...
I wonder how Jenny voted in the EU referendum?.
She abstained from voting because she wanted the name changed to Jexit.
She actually voted, I'm out!!!
I feel bad for her, sounds like her partner might be doing something shady.
Well her fault for not understanding the business structure. Either way, if you only own 10% that is barely enough for a dragon to join in on
she is probably the partners actual love interest, lots of rich guys do this with women... throw them peanuts and employ them to manage the day to day of a business.
Z That’s just not true- the German Candy company is the third largest candy company in germany so it’s super likely they just bought the business and that’s as simple as that. She was just being delusional just be she made the product
@@Drae2212 she is the managing director but on their own website it does say that Fassin in the "top magician" and that the company is registered under Katjes Fassin UK which is a subsidiary of Katjes international. She was just stupid to think that she was in anyway in controll she is nothing more than the managing director of the subsidiary. The parent company makes 300 million a year while her subsidiary is actually in the red by - £566,000, So ouchy lol
@@Drae2212 how do you know? Are you her father? Do you know the 90% shareholder personally? Thats why I said "probably"... based on my experience of having money and being around those with money, it felt probable. Don't say what is true or not if you don't actually have a clue.
As a corporate attorney, I was horrified. What is this woman smoking????!! No matter if she "doesn't see it that way", legally, she is no more than a minority shareholder, pitching merchandise for a subsidiary of a large corporation with headquarters in Germany. She is not even a full partner, since there is no partnership agreement. God. As the majority shareholder, the absent German "partner" can pull the plug on the enterprise whenever he feels like it, and she would have absolutely no say in his decision. Smh
Staying in is boring, for that reason, I'm out.
I can't think of a joke involving Jenny.
And for that reason, I'm out!
When someone introduces themselves as the "head magician" of anything, I'm out.
Jenny: My candy portrait is more attractive than me and for that reason *i’m out*
sad lol
"Over 100 machines across the world" - that's not a lot
She just gave Tej her idea for free
Startup they put in 800k. She contributed 10% and owns 10% equity.
Funny that she now wants to sell some of her shares for 80k...
She just wants her initial investment back so her net loss is 0 and 8% in the business just incase it actually makes any progress.
poor girl got sent in by her employer and thrown under the bus completely. Hope she's moved onto better things
1:21 I can't believe she turned Griffin McElroy into candy.
Liam O'Bagel all I could think of! 😂
I almost get sick when I hear people, confronted with the obvious, say "I don't agree with that" or "I don't see it that way." That's a disgusting bit of doublespeak that means "I can't say this isn't truthful, because it is, and I don't want to lie _directly,_ so I'm going to go into subjective mode to pressure you away from it."
Exactly, you have to give a valid reason, not just a blank statement "I don't see it that way"
Yeah, ok, why?
.............
"Well?"
"I just don't see it that way"
"Mr. Fassin isn't here..." - no, sadly he was busy that day, managing a half-a-billion-Euro candy company. 😂
Jenny really turned her righteous indignation up to "11" for this one...
Just starting. Here's hoping the shocking revelation is that she isn't a real magician.
YOU'RE JUST AN EMPLOYEE AND FOR THAT REASON I'M OUT, OH AND FIND ME THE OWNER~!
Her personal truth is that she's the owner. The real truth is that she sold her business. Great example of how personal truth is a total bullshite?
That's it I'm searching "Jenny makes an offer" right now. 😂
"Vitamin supplements..."
Me immediately: I'm out.
She was valuing the business at around £4M and only selling 2%. Those 2 points in itself are usually enough to scare off all the dragons; who normally will ask for between 30-40% of the business.
I think some of these chancers just want the publicity of getting their products and branding on national TV to help reboot sales.
It’s another dragons den clip recommendation from TH-cam.
And for that reason I’m out
1:38 Touka looks like one of the family members that shows up to the function just for the food 🤣🤣
what the hell this woman was thinking lool
"Hello Dragons!"
Jenny: "And for that reason, I'm out."
😂
I had to turn the Volume down
Peter - You are a MAGICIAN?
Yes
DISAPPEAR😀😀😀😀😀
You had me at my name is Melissa, and for that reason I'm out.
In every pitch....
Deborah - (looks really interested in the product)
Peter - this is a waste of time, I’m out.
Deborah - yes, it’s crap, I’m out too.
Or
Deborah (looks at the product and thinks it’s crap)
Peter - well this is just great, I’ll make you an offer.
Deborah (upon seeing a bandwagon drive past, jumps right on it) wellll, this product it great! I’ll go halves with you Peter!
0:54
This dude blinked 8 times in 2 seconds.
Jenny on her death bed:
"I think I'm ready to make an offer"
She flatlines...
Dr says Your out.
Peter Jones can’t be fooled
everybody gangsta till Deborah gets a hold of the papers
These were the most realistic Harry Enfield/Paul Waterhouse Dragons Den impressions l’ve ever seen!
Leaning towards thinking she represented owning a large portion of the previous million+ business sold but in reality it was a similar situation.. she was involved with a business that sold for millions but likely picked up a ~10% portion
She stated earlier that she's just a manager... That's it... And not the owner of the company..
Jenny walks out her front door.
“I’m no longer inside and for that reason I’m out.”
Nino Exquisite humour. Well done.
JustCallMeSix _ Exquisite vocabulary!
😂😂😂
I've seen this joke now about ten times on other dragons den youtube videos,it isn't your joke saddo
Paul Lindley they stole it from me saddo
"You ran over my grandmother"
"I don't see it that way, she found herself underneath the molecules that composed my tires"
DEAD 💀
No no... she was just about to sleep, so she went under the tires with my help. Makes her feel cosy.
😂💀💪
*COMPRISED* your tires, not "composed"
Lots of Lol 🤣
📂 JENNY
└📁Investments
└⚠️ This folder is empty
THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF REAL NERDS - YOU AND ME - AND WE ARE THE SAME - SO THAT MAKES ONLY ONE TYPE OF REAL NERD - THANK YOU!
Lol
DEAD
so she's like barbra
Genius!
Dragons den TH-cam has found me again.... I was 7 months clean😔
Back to chasing the dragon 🐉💨🏃
I was 4 months off and now I'm back since yesterday. I'm in deep already again. Eh..
LOL 1 year here. Damn TH-cam suggested me one episode, and here I am. Again.
I was 30 mins clean
Same here... I had not watched it for 6 months.. Now I am addicted again.
Legit starting to think Jenny only comes for the free water
MrMicheliinMan - GFX Designer oh, never heard that one before.. Only seen it in on all of the other videos...
@@jonathanflycht3048 Thats the point in the joke, you wetwipe
Looool
Who wouldn’t 😂
@@kinga4b124 jackass over here
I don't actually have any money at all and for that reason, I'm out.
dont like this programme, they are greedy already mulit millionaires and then use the people that go on the show to get even richer with a high % of the persons company. the only winners are the 5 celebs on the show . and for those reasons im out
@@questioneverything8301 So in fact you don't understand how the show works. Right.
@@Argumemnon Enlighten me? see if we concur?
🤣😂🤣😂
@@questioneverything8301 n cm vav in I ignore wvx cj. 2nd NG tutorial will 4thAwes u
I like how Deborah is the default 'look through the legal documents' person. She finds exactly what she needs right away
Well, she had to, the woman lied and said the company wasn't on the shareholders agreement.
Goes to show that successful people are not always just greedy, but also intelligent in many ways.
She doesn’t they’re in there for hours. They edit the whole thing.
She is a smart cookie
Editing
I'm getting tired of all these comments to do with Jenny on dragons den videos...
And for that reason I'm out
Ahmed Yasir lmaoo
😂 legend
You were never in Ahmed
Lool
This is the only Jenny comment I liked lmao
Once Deborah asks to see the paperwork it's all over.
Deborah is great at the documents- and so is Peter
Doug Chance i know right, if i went on the show id want deborah or peter for sure
Deborah : I want to see the paperwork
*BOSS MUSIC*
@@ghw1985 lol!!!!
@@ghw1985 anyone else see a hint of laser eyes?
Love when Deborah and Peter exchange looks of disgust... Reminds me of my parents at my parents evening...
05:40
kyle alexander 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yesssss! 😂😂😂
hahahahahah
Teacher :Your son has been a very naughty boy...
Debora & Peter: :(
@@marwanashraf1394 He's not the Messiah - he's a very naughty boy...
So basically she wants them to invest in a business that’s already owned by someone else and she’s just a pawn.
owned by someone bigger than those dragons.
@@nox5555 whose this person thats bigger than the dragons?
That's a total failure coz the 90% share holder wasn't even present. Further more, how can one know that she had her partners permission to get more partnership and financial assistance????
The produce may have been good, but lack of her partners presence was a bad idea.
@@windyblower1211 Katjes is Germany's 3rd biggest candy producer which says a lot in the country of Augustus Gloob (after Haribo and Storck)
@@nox5555 and its not even a someone it's a giant corporation in a different country.
I love how Touker always looks so proud after declaring he's out
like he finished a delicious meal, hahaha
It's true; he always says "I'm out" like he's telling you great news
Touker gives me the impression that he's a good guy and his friendly manner isn't just an act, but it does veer into annoyingly smug/smarmy at times.
Totally. He and Jenny are not tough - they just have terrible energy.
Amazon asks for an investment of 10 quid for 75%
Jenney: I'm out
@Redblade the joke is that jenny never made an investment from her time in the den , she even got rejected one time 😂😂
@Redblade 🤦🏻♂️
Why don't you just say The bride of Frankenstein pmsl
Quite the opposite pal I do it all the time,for instance I was trying to remember someone being described as having mercury coloured skin and sat there for ages to the point I put grayish purple.I have a memory like a six,I was merely teasing but I can understand you thinking I wasn't as that's the thing,it's bloody youtube for you.When you put that about Frankenstein I just assumed youmight be older like myself but couldn't remember the name.Anyway not that old I'm only 50 but remember as acid watching the old black n white horrors with Boris karloff,I almost forgot his name then but I have a friend who looks like him pmsl
Siv* not six,damned predictive text
Entrepreneur: I have an invention that will make you millions.
Jenny:. Can I just stop you there. I'm out..
Lol...😅
Lol I'm out
Nice 😂
@Sheryl T It's been around for years you unsalted dick nugget
@@videoshintu ahh cute, you all edgy and stuff.
She believed she owned the company. It was real in her mind. She FELT it.
Niaive ... or a good actor. Shame either way. I really quite liked her; wanted her to do well. Then the conversation progressed, as did the cringe factor. At the end, dumb is dumb 😔
That's women in general... Delusional.
She did create the company and so she did own it at one point but she sold it and was most likely lied to by Katjes after they claimed ownership of it, probably something along the likes of “oh no no noooo youre still the owner and the ceo and most important central figure to this brand and have the final say and all that but uh we’re keeping 90% 😘” when reality is none of that is true. Katjes is the owner and therefore has final say in everything, they are the central figures and could actually be considered illegal that they would send her out like this on their behalf. I feel like they fluffed up her importance with lies and then sent her out to get set up. Tragic.
@@honeysweetbunbun I think that's a bit of an unfair characterization. While technically she doesn't have final say, I think that, unless she messes up, Katjes' intent is to give her full control indefinitely. Not out of any sort of kindness but because she's (presumably) done a good job running the company. I suspect her agreement with them contains provisions which make it difficult for them to override her day-to-day decisions, but of course they can still exercise a nuclear option and force her out entirely. Much in the same way a CEO, even one without any ownership stake, has "complete" control over the company they are running.
All that being said, it's very weird for a subsidiary of a conglomerate to ask for an investment. I'd expect them to either you use internal resources to assist such companies or to sell them off.
@@xxgn Exactly! People look at their reactions and assume that this is something uncommon or even horrible.
Referring to the true and hidden owner of the company as "the absentee Willy Wonka" lmao
My name is Barbara, i'm not even in this show so i'm out.
I was looking for a Barbara comment! Well done!
lololol accurate
I just spit my drink out
KSKSKS
lmao
Jenny’s father: push honey push
Jenny’s mother: AHHHHH im pushing
Jenny: I’m out
This deserves recognition
Haha brilliant take my like
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After giving birth to two boys my wife says this is not funny.
LMFAO!!!!! XD
I’m out, and for that reason I’m Jenny
she ALWAYS finds an excuse not to make an offer
John Cusick except when to add another Gin bottle to her collection...😂😂
Ha ha ha ha
I spit out my coffee laughing
LOL
I loved that little glance between Peter and Deborah. You can tell they have a lot of respect for each other
I've seen Peter make partial offers conditional on Deborah (rather than any other dragon) coming in with him before. They've worked together for a long time and clearly work well together.
On the other hand I do think that for the format of the show sometimes that the Peter-Deborah axis is now too powerful and upsets the dynamic. When Duncan was around it wasn't so pronounced but it sometimes feels now like it's Peter and Deborah plus three, rather than five dragons of equal standing.
@@wyrmseyeview9555 bring back Duncan and Richard!
It's so weird hearing an American woman asking for money in pounds! 😂🤣
@@ivancarlson953 No I'm afraid you are wrong there. She says 'Vitimins' like an American. The 'English/British' pronunciation is how he says it at 4:01. "FIT - A - MINS". Just replace the F with a V. Vit as in 'fit'.
@@knightwish5175 I know, right!? American's say v'eye-tamins
@@ivancarlson953 priivacy vs pryevacy
@@psisis7423 yup. and controversy vs con-troversy etc etc
@inside outside upside downside International investments are almost exclusively made in dollars. If they were to invest in an American company, I think they'd give the pitchers dollars. You would think all financiers are fluent in counting dollars. But they say pounds because Britain is watching the TV programme.
"something to chew on", "sour the mood", my god these puns lol
Everytime.. he never fails with the puns. He's found his calling in life
They're awful.
@@sticksman7819 Have you got any better ideas for puns then Justin? :P
@@joshualeahy2162 I haven't but rest assured as soon as I do il let you know Joshua.
@@sticksman7819 Thanks. I look forward to whatever you can come up with. 🤗
"This is not the way it is in real life."
What a telling thing to say.
The whole thing was just a free advertisement for Katjes.
fairly obvious , those krauts are sneaky
Cara Beaumore Unlike the Germans to be underhanded? Lol
@Cara Beaumore looks pretty smart to me. Business is not about cuddling or being nice. She is an accomplished business woman and partnering up with a big corporation (3rd biggest candy producer in Germany which says a lot after Haribo and Storck) was a good decision. It is simply a question for the dragons whether they want to be her second biggest investor which is obviously not sth they feel very excited about
Cara Beaumore Who cares? Nobody buys candy just from nice people, it’s only business and Katjes makes some great candys.
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That lady wanted nothing but free advertisement. Katjes is a suuuper well known brand in Germany (it's actually third place behind Haribo and Storck on the sweets market here) and it has already branched into France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy and the US. This was obviously an attempt to break into the UK by establishing a bridge head in a niche market. The few thousand pounds are pocket money for Katjes and aren't needed if they actually have faith in their product, so the only reason to be on the show (with a 10% shareholder representing, no less, can't have the CEO of Katjes be in the UK for a day) is the free advertisement...
QemeH my dad is from Solingen. We order the Katjes Kinder all the time since those are his favorite. I love them!
I'm not sure that's what _she_ wanted. I think that's what Katjes wanted, and they were able to manipulate her into thinking it was in her best interests. A lot of corporations do this, they don't even have to be big ones. Give your employees a stake in the company, a snazzy title ("CEO" or something), a handful of shares, some freedom for decision making, tell them they're a big part of a journey they can take together, make them feel invested in it. It makes them forget the fact the company actually still controls everything, still has final say. Imagine if they got a Dragon in. Nothing's stopping Katjes from then restructuring everything, expanding their full brand into UK, giving the Dragon more stake and ultimately writing her out of the picture, because she's just a nobody and a Dragon is a much bigger investor with more influence. It's funny actually that none of them made that point to her just to break her spell. She so believed she was an equal partner with so much authority, even though she only has a 10% stake.
It was a assault by a ruthless german businessman. The dragon descendants of Churchill correctly analyzed and neutralized the attack!
I never saw this candy in Italy
@@KillerTechniques They own Sperlari, Saila, Dietorelle and Dietor in Italy ;)