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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, I explain how the addition of any muzzle device can actually improve accuracy, and provide some tips on installation.
Edit: In the video I say “an object in motion tends to stay in motion”. I mean an object at rest, but I think you get the point. - กีฬา
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Best video I found explaining how muzzle breakers work, as well as a great explanation on physics.
Great job explaining problems and solutions.
Very well explained...thank you.
Outstanding presentation.
Now I know👍🏻
Thanks. 👍
Thanks for the info. I randomly want to add a compensator to my 10/22 but I might end up getting something beefier.
The undulating gesture lulled me, expresso here I come. Free floating a Mannlicher stock and making it unnoticeable is tricky business, what that has to do with this video I have no idea, just a little TMI.
I don’t understand, this was his helpful video he wanted to make. He didnt make it for you, go make your own video instead of criticizing others; unhelpfully even.
@@cheezyandgreasy You obviously misunderstood my comment.
You also see improvement from a suppressor. On some rifles you may see some point of impact change. I have seen very little change on my rifle.
This is true, however, you need to check the accuracy with your rifle for any thing you’re adding to the barrel. It could detract from accuracy, which I’ve seen with some suppressors as well. Only way to know is to test it with your stuff. When I put my 22 suppressor on my 22 bolt gun, the accuracy takes a dump, but the accuracy improves if I put it on one of my semi autos.
This is not true. Actually the opposite.
Your not installing your barrel band? Should I keep mine on or does it kick up once removed?
The barrel band is removed because the barrel is free floated. See my other video on that project.
th-cam.com/video/gjwwJLxHejc/w-d-xo.html
I know you're increasing the accuracy by adding a muzzle break and you talked about bull barrels but I noticed you have one of the older wooden stocks and you took off the barrel band I've been asking this question a lot that was a ruger's original design was to have a barrel band do you find that taking off the barrel band and free floating the barrel increased its accuracy
Jerry Candelaria You are correct, I am using an original 10/22 sporter stock, and I did free float the barrel. To do so, you need to remove the barrel band, inlet the stock and bed the action. I cover it in a separate video. I would expect free floating to give a noticeable improvement to accuracy. Adding a muzzle break might improve accuracy slightly by affecting barrel harmonics. A bull barrel will also help with accuracy but I’m not using one.
I wonder how it would look if you cut the band and adhere each peace to barrel and stock, just for aesthetics. all you need is 1/16" clearance and paint the cuts.
I don't think it would be possible to make my 10/22 any more accurate than it is. Maybe a finer crosshair in the scope. I certainly don't need a bi-pod and to remove the barrel band.
they sell a kit that you dnt have to remove it they also sell a barrel band that comes ready for a bipod pr you can also add Swivels close to the band & it won't affect the band I installed Swivels real easy I just installed a bipod & a sling
I'm not convinced of harmonics and undulation as you demontrated with your hand. Is there actual visual and scientific papers on this ?
Just the first video at the top of a quick Google search:
th-cam.com/video/fbuaH6D2Qgc/w-d-xo.html
Not the best video to demonstrate harmonics though which would be a much smaller and higher frequency vibration, but that is enough to change point of impact. Any mass added or removed from a barrel will change its harmonics. My hand undulation is an exaggeration simply used as an illustration of the much smaller vibrations that take place.
Harrell’s barrel tuners are the most common in the rimfire world. Go to any rimfire forum there is plenty of info.
its true,but a tunner not a break.
i have a savage mark II fvsr that is threaded. i want to put a 1-1/2" long linear compensator on it. but, only if it doesn't hurt my accuracy? as it is this gun is sub moa and i'd like to keep it that way... cheers.
Keep in mind, any mass you add or take away from the barrel, especially the muzzle changes the harmonics, which can improve or hurt your accuracy. You’ll just have to try it on your own rifle to see the result, but I would be happy with sub MOA and not mess with it.
i’m going to roll the dice… hopfully at the very least it doesn’t hurt accuracy!!!
@@nelsonm5032 You can always change it back if it doesn’t work out. Good luck.
Did you test the improvement in group sizes?
I wouldn’t say I tested it properly at 100 yards, just in the backyard at 33 yards groups shrunk from 2/3 of an inch to 1/3 of an inch. My Bergara at 100 yards, it’s shot very poorly with a muzzle device, 3 inch groups compared to 1 inch, You just have to find what your gun likes, or you can buy a tunable muzzle device that sets its center of mass closer or further from the muzzle.
@@jcnikoley switch ammo.
At this point, speculative. What happened to end barrel strap on 10/22? Would cut harmonic to end of barrel
Gary Moorman The barrel band was omitted to prevent the barrel from contacting anything forward of the bedded area which is the first 1 1/2-2” of the barrel in front of the action block. Aftermarket and other stocks that free-float the barrel do not use a barrel band. If you want to retain the barrel band, don’t bother inletting or bedding the stock unless you fully bed the stock for the entire barrel’s length.
I made a separate video explaining how I did the free-float modification, you should check it out if you want to know more.
th-cam.com/video/gjwwJLxHejc/w-d-xo.html
That barely ring will expand & contract depending on temperature. I had a 10 22 that zero kept changing on nearly every time I shot. A salesman at scheels sold me a walnut stock which doesnt use the band. Couldnt believe it. Problem solved.
Where do you get this
That_ default Get what?
Will a flash hider do the same thing?
Yes, anything added to the muzzle will. Try with or without to see which is better.
1 would think you could have demonstrated the differences in group size, I mean it's a 22. Shoot it, show the results if any with that rifle. I have not found them to help much if at all nearly as much as ammo selection.
That particular muzzle brake would do nothing as far as any braking goes. the side ports are much too large for a 22. You don't really want side ports on muzzle brakes, they do nothing for recoil or keeping the muzzle in one spot. There are tunable brakes, with small ports that can be filled with these allan head screw plugs. for braking purposes, you generally want only the top ports open, but if they are it can actually cause the barrel to go down rather than the normal rise. So you open a few side or bottom ports. In this case. all you want is the mass, because the mass thing works...but on a 22 it's not enough to really make much difference in accuracy. with larger calibers, yes it would.
This muzzle device wasn’t added to mitigate recoil or redirect blast. It’s one of many I have laying around, and was used to test the results how different muzzle devices would affect the accuracy by changing the harmonics. This combination of muzzle device on this barrel gave the best results for accuracy.
Any effects on recoil mitigation were not really a consideration, although it does has a minor affect that you really could only observe through high speed photography and a scope cam or at very high magnification. 22s in general don’t require a muzzle break, though they are useful in competition such as steel challenge where the guns are much lighter in weight and you need to maintain that red dot within the field of view of the micro red dot sights that are commonly used.
@@jcnikoley yes but you did mention the other features that muzzle brakes are supposed to have, but most actually don't. Another thing muzzle brakes like this can do is actually make the weapon louder...well seem louder, as they tend to redirect the sound out the sides. I noticed this at the range a while back, rifles with muzzle brakes seemed much louder under the metal roof of the range.
@@tootall5559 Yes I agree, muzzle breaks will definitely make the weapon louder and have more concussion to the shooter.
They’re most effective on larger calibers as muzzle breaks require high-pressure gas to be efficient, there’s not really that much to drive a .22 break on a rifle.
My description of how muzzle breaks work, is “in general”, not specific to this rifle, although as I mentioned, there is a small benefit that can be perceived at high magnification. Typically, I’ll use a muzzle brake on a centerfire rifle, and tune it so that it keeps the muzzle level enough to maintain the target in your optic. Most muzzle breaks will have an expansion chamber before the ports, and the easiest way to tune them for recoil reduction is with spacers which will affect how much of the gas is captured in the expansion port and is left over to drive the break. Tuning of the break is specific to the rifle and the shooter, as the amount of mass behind the rifle, the shooter in this case, will affect how your reticle tracks shot to shot. That would be a subject for another video though.
Why a brake on a .22? No logical reason. I punch 1" groups with a peep @50 yds. That's all ya need. I still manage 2.5-3" @ 100 yds with known holdover and wind in my favor.
It’s not for recoil mitigation. It could be a flash hider, comp, suppressor, etc. Adding a muzzle device changes barrel harmonics which affects accuracy and point of impact. It’s in the title if you missed it.
@@jcnikoley Its a .22 guy. Run sub-Sonics through it and call it a day.
@@oldschooldude8370 You may get lucky with a particular loading, subs or supers, but tuning the harmonics takes luck out of it. This is why tuners are commonly used by competition Bench rest and precision .22 shooters.
@@jcnikoley I have knowledge to prove you how 300 yd matches are done without what you're speaking but it's late and in tired. Match grade barrels, 30 moa rail, quality optics, custom rifles and reading marker flags in a nutshell.
@@oldschooldude8370 .22 precision competition is probably not a good example. A heavy bull barrel on a .22 helps to deaden harmonic affects.
Trying different loads can achieve the same results. My Ruger likes SK standard, my B-14r does not. Conventional method would be keep trying other loads till I find the one the B14r likes. Using a tuner, I can get the B14r shooting that SK ammo much better though, even though it’s an 12 lb+ .22.
waste of money installing a muzzle break on a .22 rifle ; get a cheap muzzle compensator for say $20 USD and install it just for looks. THE END !
It’s not about recoil reduction or looks. It’s to tune barrel harmonics to affect accuracy. There are many proven commercial muzzle devices that are tunable to affect harmonics, this one I had in a bin of parts and was being unused. I’m able to set the distance forward or back from the end of the muzzle with the use of an internal thread adapter to tune the harmonics as you would with a purchased tuner.
@@jcnikoley "harmonics" in a 10/22 ? Just get a .920 barrel end of perceived problem. It's a 10/22 not a sniper rifle.
@@DLN-ix6vf Clearly, a 22 is not a sniper rifle, but people in the competitive precision rifle game use tuners on 22s because tuning harmonics is a proven concept. That said, this is nothing but a simple project and demonstration/explanation to layman that don’t understand putting something on the end of your barrel will change your groups. Ire use my 22s in the backyard at 30 yards. It’s nice being able to split playing cards regularly with almost no effort. That doesn’t happen with a stock 10/22, so I think I got a little benefit from it even if you don’t think there’s any value in it.
@@jcnikoley maybe you're just becoming a better shooter !