THE TAKA CUT | DBZA Commentary Ep. 37-39
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ค. 2023
- Anyone else tired of these androids? Lets get some new ones.
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Episode 37:
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I love that Bulma describes Gero as "adequate with robotics." The man built androids strong enough to flatten Frieza, what are her standards?
She didn’t build them so she’s salty
Well I mean to be fair, literally all of his androids couldn’t follow their basic programming and dropped his orders at a moments notice.
Ntm making it so they can’t sense energy, cell having to find and absorb tons of humans AND the androids in order to actually stand a chance despite being set to be born way after whenever the hell the androids actually dropped.
And everyone’s so combat based that they literally need to fight a little to grow. So it’s a miracle that he has faith they’d last that long despite having cell as a backup plan due to how unreliable they were.
And even then, the literal ONLY reason all this even happened is that Cell happened to discover someone who invented TIME TRAVEL because the androids actually DID fail and he was too weak to actually do what he was supposed to do in the first place.
Ik irl it was editorial nonsense and this part is from DBZA but the androids were kinda right.
Gero has tunnel vision and a one track mind. Last I checked, Burma’s machines never fumble that hard, so from her perspective, I can see why she’d call this “adequate”
Even all the way back to Eighter, dude just had a one track mind and builds everything in reverse without thinking of the consequences
I mean, no matter how strong the androids were, they were also all defective (subjectively), plus Dr Briefs was able to hack into him pretty easily.
You're all describing software issues. He's great with robotics, and adequate with programming.
@@Vaishino I still think Bulma’s just salty but you do make a good point
Clearly, the door wasn't meant to keep people out.
It was meant to keep 17 and 18 in.
Then it was really bad at that job, too.
I dunno, it kept Piccolo and Tien out for a while.
The problem with Vegeta, is that he beats all the side characters thinking he's all that, but gets humbled when the actual threat reminds him "You ain't the strongest"
Sometimes it's just the henchmen that beat Vegeta's ass. Zarbon bodied him in their first fight and Recoome beat Vegeta so bad he had to change his name to Toby.
@@SamsarasArtdamn dude that's a fucked comment. And I love it!
@@Al7249I figured a Roots reference was appropriate 😂
@@SamsarasArt I mean lol it definitely is I just lol very much was not expecting it lol.
in this case it’s technically the reverse 😂😂
The best part of that "problematic" joke was 18s line right after. "Shut up, Ann." Perfectly timed, and in that one line illustrated the relationship between 17 and 18.
The closest thing to damage Vegeta landed.
18's follow-up kinda doesn't work that great because she's taking the significantly more offensive insult for herself just to make a small jab at her brother. Considering how petty they're written to be it seems out of place.
"Chaotzu's dead! And he really let himself go!" is just one of the best lines in the series.
I love how at the beginning of episode 37, from everyone else's point of view, piccolo says "i know right, big bang attack?" and then a solid 20-30 seconds of silence goes by and then he goes "shit that's good" lolol
Amazing catch!
Normally I wouldn’t know Tien and Android 17 were the same VA but when he’s singing Cat Loves Food I can hear it.
Took me a moment hearing Dr Gero and Ains to pick up why Ains speaking as his persona sounded familiar.
"I will kill as many people as I have to as long as you are one of them!" is one of my top favorite lines in the entire series 😂
Yajirobe is so rarely on-screen, but god I love every scene with him
His 2 big scenes literally prevent total party wipes. De aping vegeta and saving baby trunks.
@@MasterKombatBro Baby Trunks dying wouldn't do anything though. They use divergent timelines so Future Trunks wouldn't be affected, and it's very trivial to just revive Baby Trunks anyways since it wouldn't be a natural cause of death.
@KaleidosXXI this presumes he does the same save in the 1st and 2nd timeline
20:38 Obviously Doctor Gero just had a bunch of extra material laying around after building 16, 17 and 18 and decided "ah, what the hell" and made a door out of the rest.
I mean if he can build super power androids that could easily flatten Freeza with little effort at this point I think it tracks he could make a physical barrier capable of at least keeping these super warriors at bay for a bit.
@@ChaosSepher True, but the rest of the mountain is made of anime rock, which is basically styrofoam. Wouldn't take a genius to just go through the mountain.
@@kevingriffith6011 I mean, walls exist...
@@glebglub True, but there are a lot of sections of wall in that lab that are obviously bare rock.
@@kevingriffith6011 for growing tasty tasty lichen
Guerrero didn't have to go as hard as he went in every single line as Gero, but I'm so glad he did.
He was active on the mspa forums in the voice acting thread circa 2010, and his reads of the pesterlogs were something special. I was delighted to hear him act in dbza.
He took a character I barely remembered and made him a super memorable villain in just a few episodes. Those deliveries are perfect
@@zenebean Love wins.
"first of all WHAT!?, second of all THE FUCK!?"
@@brandonthesteeledang, I didn't know he visited the mspa forums!
The little "[gasp] oh I *hope* it's a truck!" is so endearing to me, they really nailed the idea of these killer androids just being siblings who, despite their immense power and smug confidence, still have moments of childish delight.
4:04 I love how both Taka & Lani make the same "General Kenobi" joke
Didn’t even notice it the first time omg 😂
Just realized Piccolo might have been able to bargain with 18. All he had to do was demonstrate his clothes beam.
Aw hell naw the Androids got Piccolo working in the sweatshop
"Big Green Threads."
Only ever saw him make versions of his cape and training clothes, can he make anything else?
@alecdickens1042 He made an outfit for Gohan that was based on the Kame school uniform but with his seal on the back plus a sword.
@@thetux459 Aaahhh, forgot about that. Now I'm on board with Piccolo being a tailor
That door was made with 100% Plotinum. Very durable metal. It's what they use to make plot armor.
Gero does give a solid reasoning behind giving himself and the androids the ability to feel pain. If you look up people who lack that ability, their lives are not great.
Bleeding out cuz you're unable to notice your own wounds isn't really an issue for them tho
@@WickedKnightAlbel Are you sure?
@@WickedKnightAlbel I think its more about receiving an injury and not noticing it, so when you think your perfectly fine your actually in a lot of damage as well as being able to notice that damage faster than using a scanner or something (also they need a fuel source/nerves to move and if those are majorly damaged then they can’t move that area until it has healed)
See the issue is, pain is completely debilitating. How does it help to be curled up in a ball weeping and paralyzed when you get kicked in the nards? Being alerted to danger is great but being overwhelmed by it is only a disadvantage.
@@ItsmeInternetStranger Sounds like a skill issue.
10:10 Watching this after the History of Trunks commentary made me realize how clever the writing was in that special: not once did 17 or 18 call each other by name, real or model number, when Trunks was within earshot. The closest we got was 17 calling 18 “sis”. Either way, he had no way of knowing that there were ever more than two Androids (though Goku calling them Androids as though he knew them probably should’ve tipped Trunks off that there were more than two).
37:20: Of course he has some ego problems. Have you looked at him? HE'S HIM.
Ultra Ego problems🙂
@@orbboom6119he is the hype!
He’s a big deal!
Chris Guerrero and Amber Lee Connors were two names I lightly knew back when they first appeared in DBZA, but they both have since catapulted their careers getting role after role and knocking them out of the park! They've easily become my favorite voice actors and I'll forever remember and be thankful for the stellar performances they gave us here. The best Cooler and best Android 18, no questions asked.
In one of there episodes Lani said Taka is, "Questionably straight." And that line about knowing what Kaiser choking sounds like has made me fully understand what he meant by that lol
I've always wondered what Taka was, because he's so deliberately weird and energetic that I'm like "is he straight, gay, or somewhere in-between?"
"Find me in the Alps" made it into my daily vocabulary from episode 38
It's a reference to the TV cut of The Big Lebowski
@@Hamarchy "Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps?"
Vegeta missing the point is hilarious. Especially "I don't give a shit about butterflies" and "why? It's a goddamn door!"
Aggressively missing the point is his whole shtick.
@@haydentravis3348 true but these are a couple shining examples of that. And both in the same episode.
@@SamsarasArt It was all building up to this episode.
"I don't give a shit about butterflies" is one of my favorite lines in the entire series.
It's such a goku line even though it's vegeta saying it. Proving that even his braincells don't always fire off either.
@@ShadowSkyX The only difference between Vegeta and Goku is that Vegeta is pissed.
I like that Yamacha did have some character growth here. He learned how to cope and stop stressing from Chi-Chi.
The Androids are by far my favourite characters in the series. they're just so surprisingly wholesome.
“Did she bring ME?!?!?” Is a line that always gets me lol
I love how bulma's just as jaded as goku about life and mortality.
A part of me feels there was a missed opportunity for a vegeta freak out when 16 says, “He is not Goku.” My bro-bot pressed the Goku Button.
I love that the more the Taka Cut goes on, the less it's about commentary and the more he just kinda watches DBZA and laughs along and occasionally says "yep, that was funny."
The reason that other characters standing at the side while the main character fights makes the most sense in Yu-Gi-Oh is because of the 1vs1 aspect of a card game 2vs2 if it’s a tag duel or a double duel
the sibling dynamic was so like an actual relationship, like so amazing human of cyborgs to be
They had lives before Gero cyberized them.
@@haydentravis3348 yeah. Why I said it
@@Cardlimits You're easily amazed.
@@haydentravis3348 and you stated the obvious
@@haydentravis3348 What the fuck is your issue
28:56 to be fair, in the card game there really are rules against outside participation, and when not actively in a card game the main characters are just nonpowered teenagers.
You're crossing borders of time and space, buddy.
Chiaotzu isn't a mime; based on his look, outfit and powers he's pretty clearly a Jiangshi (the "Chinese vampire").
Yes it was in DragonBall
He is, but jiangshi kinda look like mimes.
All mimes are Jiangshi but not all Jiangshi are mimes.
Hope Taka got fired for that blunder.
Whoa whoa whoa Marcelle Marceau
Are you telling me Tien an Chaotzu don’t fit the description of Inconspicuous Old Man and Mime?
Bulma knows where Gero's lab is because her dad is as much of a mad scientist as Gero is and they probably worked together on some stuff. I mean, Dr. Briefs in DBZA has cloning technology. And Cell is made using cloned DNA spliced together. And seeing how Gero only had robotic creations until Cell, I'm willing to bet Dr. Brief's is responsible for giving Gero the tech to make him. Which then means he's responsible for all the destruction and death Cell causes.
And let's be honest, Dr. Briefs probably did business with the Red Ribbon Army and got to know Gero through them
Better not say anything to anyone or buy anything ever, or you might be responsible for everything. In fact, I'm blaming you for everything.
16 in a way reminds me the robots in Asimov stories where all they cared about was doing their job and didn't get why everyone so terrified of them
23:11 Chances are he had the completed 19 do the brain transfer.
He IS Android 20 so had to have been completed AFTER 19.
Oh God, next week is going to be the last Taka cut, isn't it
Unless he'll go back and do the movies
To be fair, the Taka Cut didn't end. It just joined Lani and Kaiser.
@@Blazieth Fu-sion hah?
I'm kinda hoping they just start reposting the main commentary, but replace them with vtuber avatars
Oh man did he stop streaming them?
44:13 it reminds me of when a mother always says “don’t give me any excuses!” So next time instead you are direct and just say “no” then she wants to ask “why?!” and when you explain, then she says “That’s not a reason, it’s an excuse!”
I think I may have mother issues, I realize that now…
I would point out that Krillin could have used his Kienzan to slice the door open with minimal damage. Right down middle across the locking bars. Once again, totally forgets one of most powerful techniques. As Taka says, take stories no more seriously than the writer does.
If you think about it Vegeta has more owned counts than Krillin.
Krillin has a higher count than Vegeta, but Vegeta has chasms where Krillin has valleys.
Let’s not get crazy! Though his owns are way more severe to his ego
I need Kaiser to make a Vegeta owned count video.
@@SamsarasArtThere is already a video of Vegeta owned Counts
Vegeta never get a W
3:10 I don't know why I laughed so hard at Takka and Gero being in the exact same pose.
Still love that "DID SHE BRING ME?!?"
The nail gun attack name pays off later on when piccolo is about to lose to Cell.
Nail: So last ditch effort didn’t work out.
Kami: Any last, LAST ditch efforts?
Piccolo: Just one. “NAIL GU-“🤛
Also, toriko.
the crunch of the bones when his arm dangled, YEESH
The deliveries on "Doom Laser" and "Taco Tuesday" have been permenantly etched into my brain for years
Ending 38 with the chilling "Sorry, Doc. Just following orders." and then starting 39 with destroying the lab was easily the far better choice for how season 3 goes.
That line and "there's my door" are on my top 10 DBZA lines for sure.
As much as I enjoy Vegeta, I'm not going to pretend he didn't have this coming. Very satisfying.
As they've said, it's fun to watch Vegeta be this boisterous asshole and get layed the fuck out afterwards because of it.
It just occurred to me, the gang could’ve tried to tell 16, 17, and 18 that Goku died of the heart attack. None of them know why Goku isn’t there with everyone else. They have no reason to not believe that. Possibly ending the programmed desire to kill Goku right then and there.
Damn, kaiser's scream when he shoots the androids. THE CHILLS
One might say helping 16 fulfill Gero’s programming doesn’t help him become his own person separate from Gero’s control. But because that programming is a single one-time directive, maybe their plan is to help him kill Goku, because then he’ll be free of Gero’s shackles, and can more easily become his own person.
The "tagging" description brought to mind Cloud's interjections of Dyne's monologue in Final Fantasy VII Machinabridged, which then made me think about how cool it would be to get a creator's commentary series for that show as well.
At least with Yu-Gi-Oh they establish it is a one on one game, unless it's a tag match. DBZ has no reason for characters to stand on the sidelines other than drama
Made for cutaways.
In my head the Nail Gun is Piccolo using Special Beam Canon with TWO HANDS!
But where he is holding his hands together, index and middle fingers out, like a jutsu.
@@shawnsuckstm3353Yeah, but this time, he has to charge it... FOR TEN MINUTES.
@@toxicdemon1315And considering how hard his ass was being kicked...
I think he could handle it.
Ok, gonana draw that
Ooooh, because it looks like a gun when you put your hands together like that.
The Gero performance is so good I have to force myself to be reminded that there is an actor behind the voice.
Bulma. Smartest Person. Made Dragon Radar. Was so fucking dumb that she took her child to an active battle field.
Intelligence vs wisdom
Did you forget who she Hangs out with? Stupid became the norm 😅
Or she was tired of parenting and wanted plausible deniability for Trunks' death.
24:24 So Dr. Gero has 2 hands when 17 grabs the remote, but 1 at this point in the story. I assume this was also a goof in the real show, because otherwise how did that happen? 😂
Kaiser has talked about how the animators gave him both hands for most of the shots in the lab. He took it back off in a few, but fixing them all would've been too much effort.
The original show had tons of animation errors like that.
17 and 18's first lines pretty much perfectly established their characters.
“DID SHE BRING ME??!!”
seriously present bulma what the shit??!!
the fact that 16 politely asks that they go and kill goku should immediately tell you he’s a good guy 😂😂
Before I learned about the multiple timelines I had my own theory about the time travel and it went like this.
Trunks never knew about Android 19&20 was because those events had still happened but how it played out was that they attacked the city where Kami or someone would tell the Z fighters and they would show up and split up. Yamcha being the unlucky one is attacked and actually killed before the others can get to him. After the Fighters realize that his power level has dropped they would fly and see the androids then move onto the plains where Goku would turn Super Saiyan then suffer from his heart attack where they would move him and he would later on die from the disease. But the fight would go on with vegeta coming in and showing off his new form and following up by killing 19. Android 20 would escape and the Fighters would chase him down until he got near his secret lab and was able to turn on Android 17&18 and was swiftly killed by 17. They would never awaken 16 because they were more heartless in this timeline. After leaving the cave the Fighters would come upon them where they would fight and end up losing and dying from being killed by the two and the only survivors being Gohan, Chi Chi, Bulma, and Trunks being the only survivors. Kinda explains why Trunks would know only 17&18 and not 16,19, and 20.
I am quite ashamed to admit that I only got the 17 joke of "Just following orders" now, on a random ass Thursday, years later, during a watch a long.
Also, Killin is the bald Saitama form of Tristan.
37:29
I actually love this line.
Because it sums up Vegeta perfectly at this point in the show.
He's an arrogant asshole with 0 filter.
He knows it's offensive, and that's why he uses it.
He figures he can get away with it.
Then he gets the ever loving hell beat out of him, the commupence feels that much more cathartic.
You know funnily enough trunks is assuming that him going back triggered a butterfly effect but it'd also make sense if trunks who was a infant and bulma who wasn't at south city when it was attacked because it was a suprise in their timeline meaning probably the only people to see the androids in trunks timeline (19 and gero) simply just said androids attacked the city then gero activates 17 and 18 who kill him and start their destruction with the public assuming the things attacking city after city were also the androids that attacked south city so the z fighters go to try and stop them dying from the attempt so the time machine is made and trunks warns the z fighters about the cyborgs that he assumed also attacked south city like everyone else (it could also come to the events of gero tests out his software on south city wiping it off the face of the earth and thus goes to activate 17 and 18 who he thinks have been fixed of any "bugs" to kill goku and then gets killed and the twin cyborgs continue the slaughter now being blamed for south city)
Now this isn't me saying the plot fully makes sense it still has its problems but this makes more sense than trunks saying information causing something not correlated at all to happen like dr gero deciding to attack south city instead of having 17 and 18 do it
There's something sweet about Vegeta thinking of Capsule Corp as his home now.
Somewhat undercut by having a Super Saiyan self-service session be the first thing he does before saying hi to his ... sugar mommy(?) after a year+.
I love Yajirobe's line there. "...I've got a rock up my butt. >:("
I love how you could end basically every one of Abridged Yajirobe's lines with >:( and it would fit perfectly.
15:55 AGREED! GeneralIvan is amazing.
I just love listening to his voice, as Cooler, Dr Gero AND Ainz.
I wish him lots of success in the acting industry cos i'd love to hear more of him.
Same goes to Amber, who i know also plays Pieck in AOT, which is neat.
Kinda hoping when taka reaches Cell, instead of defaulting to the tfs bento footage, he pulls lani and kaiser into the Vtuber space, and of course have their avatars doing the bridge pose as well
That'd be dope lol
I dont think theyll rerecord all that lol
Vtube model are expensive as fuck to make and take awhile animate. Wouldnt make any sense for them too.
I don't think he'll be doing commentary on the cell saga on his twitch since he's already doing commentary for it with Lani and Kaiser in Texas
@@2amCryptidtheyre stationed in texas?
I'm here to kick ass and eat senzu beans. Unfortunately, I'm all out of ass
"What's this, your secret project?"
"No, he's in the basemen- I MEAN YES!!! VERY SECRET, DON'T TOUCH!!"
S tier foreshadowing
To add a more serious response to why they couldn't break down the door... Have you ever tried punching a door full-force? There's a natural tendency to involuntarily hold back because your brain is telling you "Solid object! Will hurt if you punch!"
I bet they were creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. They have the strength to atomize the door with a punch, but hold back instinctively, therefor, punch the door lightly and "Ouch!" Then the following punch is lesser because their hand is already hurting or the next person saw it hurt them and in turn holds back...
I don't care what anybody says I love the can opener line from piccolo
You know, unless Dr. Gero is somehow converting the ki he absorbs as he absorbs it, it's still life energy and able to be sensed.
Yeah, he can sense it in a small area in front of his palms. Not at range, hence why he has to make almost physical contact with Ki sources to absorb them. He can't absorb/sense at a distance.
@@haydentravis3348 I think, what they meant, is the good guys should have been able to sense Gero because he absorbed Ki, unless he converts it to something else at the moment of absorption.
@@Eguzky Yeah. That.
@@silversonic1 Ah, okay, I was confused. But yeah, could convert it or just contain it. Like, they can't sense the Ki because its in a lead battery or something. It can be hidden, cuz of Krillin's stealth mode.
@@haydentravis3348 Maybe. But I kind of doubt it's a material shield situation. Goku can sense people on the other side of the planet who are just sitting around on their island. An entire planet can't keep him from sensing you specifically. So I think some kind of conversation process is necessary.
Also I find it odd that 17 and 18 can contribute to Spirit Bombs when they allegedly aren't using life energy.
I know that everywhere else in the world (minus current British commonwealth) it’s a highly offensive word, but to my Aussie sensibilities (which is to say none😂😂) I thought this was hilarious. And that word has such a range of affection as well😂
47:00
I know what it sounds like when he’s choking…
HEYOOOO-
My headcanon was that 19 and 20 did show up in Trunks' timeline but nobody bothered to tell Trunks because they defeated them easily (like they did here)
Kaiser’s Trunks is so so so good
Stupid thing about Gero having to program a new hand is, *why didn't he save the settings so he could transfer them to a new hand*? Copying over settings from one device to another is something pretty common in tech. But then again, with how much of a fuckup Gero is I could see him just not thinking to do that lol.
Give me a warning, Taka! You hurt my ears with that shout at the end of the first episode.
Seriously, for a genius this was pretty dumb of Bulma.
Well I mean she is _(arguably)_ a genderbent Elon Musk.....
@@TeryJones Let's not get crazy.
@@shadowldrago *CELL;* TOO LATE!
I mean Bulma did suggest having the dragon tell everyone where Gero was as he was building the androids both in official and abridged version.
So her finding out where his lab is only becomes relevant because Gero ran away.
So technically not her fault.
Give her a break, she is just adequate as a mother.
Thank you for the video.
The first time I've known a door to have plot armour
44:04 One of my favorite Vegeta lines.
46:37 the sounds Vegeta makes when getting beat up by 18 reminds me of the sounds Nappa made when he got beat up by Goku
Last time I came this early my wife left me :’(
Hi-yoooooo!!!!
Poor thing. I hope you get through it. By the way, your wife says hello and wants to make sure you've been eatting properly.
I love that during this entire fight of good vs evil, we find ourselves cheering every time the good side is losing, because the good side is Vegeta, and he's a dick. It was quite a funny moment of confused realisation afterwords. I can't recall ever seeing this happen in anything else. Except maybe when Undyne kept beating me in Undertale. So damn many good moments in DBZA that I fully expect and hope it's inspired the next generation of animators and show writers.
I can see it now. Pan gets interested in girly stuff and starts painting Mr.Picolo's nails. Then he could call it the Shining Destroyer Nail Gun
So the main difference between card game anime and typical battle manga is cheering on is the only thing your friends CAN do.
Chris Guerrero is some sort of legendary Super-VA
"Sorry I got hit in the heart a lot"
Taka, you still got it!
28:56 To be fair, a Yu-Gi-Oh duel is... two guys playing a card game. The Hell is Tristan going to do? Suckerpunch Yugi's opponent when he starts losing?
Tristan's voice gives Yugi super strength
@@RyuuSixOMG I shouldn't be laughing so hard at this. Just makes me think of the abridged. But yeah the original commenter of right like it's a one on one card game, this is a literal battle. Different circumstances and stakes
wait what?? i thought 16 was played by taka. in my "headcannon" now, i guess, every big character played by him would have the "i am _______ and you will quote everything I say" line in the Kai episodes. there goes my world
Yajirobe is so underrated both in dbz and dbza he’s even my main in dbz budokai tenkaichi 3
"Funner" is funner to say than "more fun".
"more fun" might be the correct term, but funner is funner to say
😭😭😭”I will kill as many people as I have to as long as you are one of them” love that line and still use it to this day for any antihero I really see
I use one of Gero's lines over and over:
"First, WHAT?! Second, THE [bleep]?!"
Dr Gero got Android 19 to put his brain in the android body.
8:05 I always found it really wholesome how excited Dr. Gero was to talk about his work. One question and he just completely drops all hostility (and attention), happy to explain the science behind his android body. Kinda makes you think, maybe in an alternate universe where he had gotten some proper recognition for his genius outside of a defunct mercenary outfit, maybe he would have been alright.
To copy a thought of mine from the other creator commentary.
On the "All Scientists know where other scientists labs are"
I feel like it would track that in the circle of villainous paranoid mad scientists it would make sense that they would keep tabs on one another.
I remember an episode of Young Justice where, in fact, they found one mad roboticist they were looking for by asking another mad roboticist they already caught and imprisoned about his whereabouts.
The fact that a raid started happening the moment everything went to shit in the first episode is really funny to me