The most important thing about a watch is how it looks. I think the spb143 looks better then the certina so get the one that you think looks the best. What's the point of having a better movement of you think the Seiko looks better
Some people value accuracy over looks. I know both are important but when it comes right down to it a watch only has one job...to tell the time accurately.
I've owned it for 1 year+, I've neglected my other watches every morning this is my go to watch. Wears like 11-12mm, very durable from scratches, drilled lugs and square shape makes it truly a strap monster, grey sunburst dial with slightly dome sapphire crystal very versatile.
Same. I've got the SPB147, and I have to force myself to put it away in order to give wrist time to my other watches LOL. It really does wear like a 11-12mm watch. Seiko magic!
If Certina offered a size somewhere in between 38 and 43 it would be a no-brainer. But those sizes are either a bit too small or too large for me. The spb143 has perfect dimensions.
My many years of experience in the watch hobby have taught me several lessons. One of the most important is this: a watch is more than the sum of its parts. On paper, a watch can tick all the boxes but ultimately be disappointing. For this reason, the Seiko is infinitely superior to the Certina. Besides, the popularity of the Seiko says it all.
People need to realize these Seiko movements come out of the factory unregulated. It’s annoying but just bring it to a watch shop and get it regulated.
Love it. Big fan of mid-tier Seiko's ( mm200, Sumo & currently wearing Willard) tempted by one of these. Equally as tempted by the new £900 Turtle's that are out in July - I despise the pointless date complication & since the ISO standards have changed that awful window is bannished to a far less prominent position on the dial ( I'd obviously prefer no date, but at least it's easier to ignore on all future certified Diver's ). Lovely watch, great long term review, very helpful, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
I prefer the spb051 same thickness but wears small then spb143 because its bigger. That one is kinda wiggly on wrist as it is smaller abd tend to wear top heavy
I loved this watch when I had it but after selling and regretting I rebought the spb213 to have something that wore the same but felt a bit different. A really nice watch on the wrist
I own this watch. It keeps terrible time. Looses about 2m a day. I do like it though. Looks a bit like a submariner once on the wrist and under a shirt and suit. A nice looking second everyday watch.
among a few very decent ones, incl. AT, SPB is my favorite one anyway. You can look at him all the time. This ascetic design and amazing dial fit perfectly. Of course we don't count the bracelet here, which sucks, but it's still a 'strap monster'
I purchased the earlier spb051, and although the 143 is nice, I don't think the price increase , justifies changing my 051. The bracelet on the 051 is better and the indices and domed sapphire, add a different quality on the 051. I think the indices look cheap on the 143, compared to the 051. Besides I've got the sla043, and it's a beautiful watch.
The Certina has some nice features and is priced well, but the Seiko looks 10 times better. I would much rather have a Seiko on my wrist than a Certina.
Roger Smith favors the low-beat stating you get a long interval between services. Most of his watches beat at 18,800 if I’m not mistaken. That’s a good enough reason for me to be okay with this Seiko movement.
Its two very different value proporsitions. The Seiko has the history and the vintage vibe as well as inhouse movement. The Oris is a very modern and quite original watch. I’ve owned both.
A watch is more than the sum of its parts. On paper, a watch can tick all the boxes but ultimately be disappointing. For this reason, the Seiko is infinitely superior to the Certina. Besides, the popularity of the Seiko says it all.
It looks like your date wheel is misaligned also, as the date isn't sitting in the middle of the window. I bought one from a friend with this issue, it was driving him nuts. He still complains when he sees me wearing it.
Is this better then seiko black series 1965 is limited edition priced around £1080.00. There are 3 different variants of the 1965 black series also at such an expensive price comes only with nylon style strap not a bracelet 😎
Same grade lume in the Certina? Really? I have the Precidrive equivalent of that Certina diver, and the lume is horrible. (Edit: It is not horrible. It is quite decent. But it is "relatively horrible" compared to various well lumed Japanese watches I have owned.) It is even noticably beaten by my $90 Seiko 5 with stick hands, and it was beaten by a large margin by my SKX and my Citizen Promaster Diver. But I have also heard that the SPB143 has quite thinly applied lume relative to other Seiko divers. So it might be closer to my Seiko 5. And, maybe the automatic version of the DS Action Diver is better lumed than my Precidrive version as well. So that might even out things so that they are in fact very similar. That's a bit disappointing for the Seiko I would say. I expected it to be noticably better than the Certina based on my own experiences with the two brands.
I love this watch. Unfortunately I've had movement issues with it recently. The 6R35 performs great on the timegrapher, yet sometimes the movement will just stop for no apparent reason while off wrist. This even happens when fully wound. A light tap on the watch gets the second hand moving again. Of course it's our of warrantee so I'm not sure what to do. Anyone else experience this issue?
I had this exact issue with my willard with the same movement. The seconds hand would stop when over the minute hand and I thought it may be misalignment of the hands or something. Sent back under warranty and Seiko fixed it. I also mentioned a slight misalignment of the bezel and they also replaced the case which has resulted in perfect alignment. It did take about 3 months but all sorted now. I also have the spb213 62mas reissue and that has always been bang on. +3 secs a day. These movements are really hit and miss imo.
@@polygoncoco tbh I've been leaning towards my hydroconquest more these days because, as much as I like seiko, for me longines offer better quality and a much more solid movement (L888 based on an eta). Its never missed a beat.
I bought a new Willard SDB153, wore it for 4 months continuously and then took it off one night and left it on the nightstand dial up. Woke up next morning and it had stopped after only 8 hours! Took it back to Seiko for warranty inspection/repair and still waiting after 7 weeks. Really annoying because I was enjoying it heaps. Timekeeping was variable, initially very accurate out of the box but then slowly fell back. Not a big issue with me but the lack of resting power wasn’t good. UPDATE: I finally received my SDB153 back from Seiko Melbourne service centre after 11 weeks for a warranty repair and I’m pleased to say they’ve made a perfect job of it. They say they gave it a full service and in the process they corrected a misalignment of the hour hand which was out by 3 minutes. Watch looks perfect and is keeping very tight time. No complaints. Time will tell regarding long term reliability. Couldn’t buy a second keeper for the black rubber strap (desperately needed) but have since discovered that a slice of 26mm black (unshrunk) heatshrink does the job quite well.
I got one of the first spb143 sold in Europe (France). And I was surprised by the precision of the movement. And today, 2 years after, I'm still surprised by the precision of this movement! It is -1/+1 by day! WOW! My first accurate Seiko! People tell me I'm a lucky man! Yeah. Sometime, I'm lucky... Little by little, this watch became one of my favorite. Comfortable, accurate, discrete. The glass could have been better. It is nos as transparent as I like them . And the bracelet was an horror to set by myself when I bought this watch! Who did it? What the hell? Worse than the one on my MM300 SBDX017! But no misalignment! (So... Is it a true Seiko?😁🤣😇) Whatever, a very good watch. I recommend it.
@@camarocarl7130 I was really surprised. How is it possible on a Seiko of this range? But.... There is always a BUT. The true power reserve is rather around 64/65 hours than the theoretical 70 hours. And the isochronism falls dramatically after 50 hours. Strange.
@@camarocarl7130 Certina, in the same group and same range as Mido (I got 3 Mido), Hamilton and Tissot, has something... A little bit more. I think, and of course I'm not sure, and as we know how these watches are made, that the Certina watches are set apart. They are always very well set. Another thing about this Seiko. When I say it's a very accurate watch, it's a very accurate watch "ON THE WRIST". But, as my MM300, when the watch is put on the table, it's +10/+15 in 8 hours... So... +30/+45 theoretically in 24 hours... So, in the morning, you have to set again the watch with the stop second. This is the charm of these watches. I guess.
i got caught up in the hype of this watch and almost bought one.....after the dust settled, it really looks like all the other seiko 62mas re-imagined, re-interpretations. not worthy of all the hype, IMHO
The most important thing about a watch is how it looks. I think the spb143 looks better then the certina so get the one that you think looks the best. What's the point of having a better movement of you think the Seiko looks better
Some people value accuracy over looks. I know both are important but when it comes right down to it a watch only has one job...to tell the time accurately.
@@camarocarl7130 smart watch, quartz or phone then?
@@geraldcruz2295 COSC standards are fine with me. No battery needed.
Mine gives me 3 sec a day
@@camarocarl7130 get a solar quartz then, less parts and maintenance.
I've owned it for 1 year+, I've neglected my other watches every morning this is my go to watch. Wears like 11-12mm, very durable from scratches, drilled lugs and square shape makes it truly a strap monster, grey sunburst dial with slightly dome sapphire crystal very versatile.
Same. I've got the SPB147, and I have to force myself to put it away in order to give wrist time to my other watches LOL. It really does wear like a 11-12mm watch. Seiko magic!
I sometimes opt for easier, quartz pieces. It feels kind of heavy for it to be on my wrist full-time. I love looking at my spb145 every time tho
Got it used really good shape for 650 €. Very glad!
Great idea to do this follow up. One slight mistake, the insert is brushed steel.
If Certina offered a size somewhere in between 38 and 43 it would be a no-brainer. But those sizes are either a bit too small or too large for me. The spb143 has perfect dimensions.
My many years of experience in the watch hobby have taught me several lessons. One of the most important is this: a watch is more than the sum of its parts. On paper, a watch can tick all the boxes but ultimately be disappointing. For this reason, the Seiko is infinitely superior to the Certina. Besides, the popularity of the Seiko says it all.
This is a great watch. I had it for slightly more than 6 months now.
People need to realize these Seiko movements come out of the factory unregulated. It’s annoying but just bring it to a watch shop and get it regulated.
This watch on an Artem strap with deployant clasp is a banger
Love it. Big fan of mid-tier Seiko's ( mm200, Sumo & currently wearing Willard) tempted by one of these. Equally as tempted by the new £900 Turtle's that are out in July - I despise the pointless date complication & since the ISO standards have changed that awful window is bannished to a far less prominent position on the dial ( I'd obviously prefer no date, but at least it's easier to ignore on all future certified Diver's ).
Lovely watch, great long term review, very helpful, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Mate this was an amazing review big love from Australia 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I prefer the spb051 same thickness but wears small then spb143 because its bigger. That one is kinda wiggly on wrist as it is smaller abd tend to wear top heavy
People please note the sbdc101 is 780 USD on Sakura watches so a much more pleasant price and matches
I loved this watch when I had it but after selling and regretting I rebought the spb213 to have something that wore the same but felt a bit different. A really nice watch on the wrist
I own this watch. It keeps terrible time. Looses about 2m a day. I do like it though. Looks a bit like a submariner once on the wrist and under a shirt and suit. A nice looking second everyday watch.
among a few very decent ones, incl. AT, SPB is my favorite one anyway. You can look at him all the time. This ascetic design and amazing dial fit perfectly. Of course we don't count the bracelet here, which sucks, but it's still a 'strap monster'
I purchased the earlier spb051, and although the 143 is nice, I don't think the price increase , justifies changing my 051. The bracelet on the 051 is better and the indices and domed sapphire, add a different quality on the 051. I think the indices look cheap on the 143, compared to the 051. Besides I've got the sla043, and it's a beautiful watch.
Bought mine new for $826 with shipping and US taxes. For this price it's fantastic!
Enjoy!
Loved mine. Got it the same time as you.. Unfortunately it just got stolen. Now im considering if i should rebuy it.
Hi Ditmer. I sad to hear it was stolen. I hope you are okay.
Best regards
Anders
I've been rocking my SNDC051 lately. I like the case more on it than I do the 101.
Excellent video! Defnitely subscribing. Maybe you need to make a video on the Certina.
Hi Ivan. Thanks a lot. Have a look in the archives I made two videos about the Certina.
The Certina has some nice features and is priced well, but the Seiko looks 10 times better. I would much rather have a Seiko on my wrist than a Certina.
Certina has a better movement IMO the 6R is crap. Swiss 2824-2 beats it like a drum.
I sold my Omega 2254 after I got the SPB143. Great watch
Really was it that good do you not miss the Omega ?
How accurate is the movement
Roger Smith favors the low-beat stating you get a long interval between services. Most of his watches beat at 18,800 if I’m not mistaken. That’s a good enough reason for me to be okay with this Seiko movement.
fantastic review, many thanks. am still on the fence with this one, you shouldn´t have shown the certina... ;-)
Thanks - and sorry about the Certina 😀
How do you think this matches up overall with the Oris Aquis 41.5mm Selita? Which is one would you take?
Its two very different value proporsitions. The Seiko has the history and the vintage vibe as well as inhouse movement. The Oris is a very modern and quite original watch. I’ve owned both.
Certina is better every way on the paper, but the seiko has such a good looking design, i'd still pick the seiko.
A watch is more than the sum of its parts. On paper, a watch can tick all the boxes but ultimately be disappointing. For this reason, the Seiko is infinitely superior to the Certina. Besides, the popularity of the Seiko says it all.
It looks like your date wheel is misaligned also, as the date isn't sitting in the middle of the window. I bought one from a friend with this issue, it was driving him nuts. He still complains when he sees me wearing it.
What size does the certina have oyu showed? the ceramic ones shouldve 43mm, but looked similar size to the seiko?
The Certina is the 43 mm ceramic.
Is this better then seiko black series 1965 is limited edition priced around £1080.00. There are 3 different variants of the 1965 black series also at such an expensive price comes only with nylon style strap not a bracelet 😎
I've one..spb147j1 lovely gilt handset
To be corrected . Bezel is brushed stainless steel not aluminium.
Are you sure the diashield is on the band as well?
This is the Toyota LandCruiser of Watches
The certina has better lume????
2:42 isn’t the bezel made of steel?
Steel, yes.
U can tell me exact model for Certina please ?
Here you go:
Certina DS Action Diver C032.607.11.091.00
This watch is a sleeper. A future seiko classic. Very understated, but bullet proof.
How would this wear on a 6.1 Wrist?
Every wrist is different but as it's a quite thick watch I think it will wear too chunky. Try to find a 38 mm diver.
I don't the bracelet is a huge upgrade from say the sbdc051 or 061. Actually I would argue the bracelet on the 051/061 are better!
I like the bracelet. But the clasp isn’t that good.
Nobody is clamoring for a Certina
🤣🤣🤣
I really don't understand why you don't let us hear the bezel action
That is covered in the first full review:
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Of course!
Same grade lume in the Certina? Really? I have the Precidrive equivalent of that Certina diver, and the lume is horrible. (Edit: It is not horrible. It is quite decent. But it is "relatively horrible" compared to various well lumed Japanese watches I have owned.) It is even noticably beaten by my $90 Seiko 5 with stick hands, and it was beaten by a large margin by my SKX and my Citizen Promaster Diver. But I have also heard that the SPB143 has quite thinly applied lume relative to other Seiko divers. So it might be closer to my Seiko 5. And, maybe the automatic version of the DS Action Diver is better lumed than my Precidrive version as well. So that might even out things so that they are in fact very similar. That's a bit disappointing for the Seiko I would say. I expected it to be noticably better than the Certina based on my own experiences with the two brands.
I love this watch. Unfortunately I've had movement issues with it recently. The 6R35 performs great on the timegrapher, yet sometimes the movement will just stop for no apparent reason while off wrist. This even happens when fully wound. A light tap on the watch gets the second hand moving again. Of course it's our of warrantee so I'm not sure what to do. Anyone else experience this issue?
I had this exact issue with my willard with the same movement. The seconds hand would stop when over the minute hand and I thought it may be misalignment of the hands or something. Sent back under warranty and Seiko fixed it. I also mentioned a slight misalignment of the bezel and they also replaced the case which has resulted in perfect alignment. It did take about 3 months but all sorted now. I also have the spb213 62mas reissue and that has always been bang on. +3 secs a day. These movements are really hit and miss imo.
@@polygoncoco tbh I've been leaning towards my hydroconquest more these days because, as much as I like seiko, for me longines offer better quality and a much more solid movement (L888 based on an eta). Its never missed a beat.
@@ThePlaiibox I sold my SPB143 due to the terrible time keeping and got the new Longines Hydroconquest Ceramic 39mm which is a way
better watch.
I bought a new Willard SDB153, wore it for 4 months continuously and then took it off one night and left it on the nightstand dial up. Woke up next morning and it had stopped after only 8 hours! Took it back to Seiko for warranty inspection/repair and still waiting after 7 weeks. Really annoying because I was enjoying it heaps. Timekeeping was variable, initially very accurate out of the box but then slowly fell back. Not a big issue with me but the lack of resting power wasn’t good. UPDATE: I finally received my SDB153 back from Seiko Melbourne service centre after 11 weeks for a warranty repair and I’m pleased to say they’ve made a perfect job of it. They say they gave it a full service and in the process they corrected a misalignment of the hour hand which was out by 3 minutes. Watch looks perfect and is keeping very tight time. No complaints. Time will tell regarding long term reliability. Couldn’t buy a second keeper for the black rubber strap (desperately needed) but have since discovered that a slice of 26mm black (unshrunk) heatshrink does the job quite well.
@@enLARGE.darkroom Crap movement IMO, I will never buy a Seiko with a 6R-35 movement again.
I don't wear mine enough....
In Sweden it cost $2000 💀
Go online, you will find them much cheaper around galt that price. Hilsner fra Danmark.
@@TimeAndCrown thanku but online can be fake sometimes. But thanks any way 👍🏻
@@Chris_ck85 If you buy from a trusted webshop its no problem. On Chrono24 you can find EU based trusted official sellers.
@@TimeAndCrown that's good to know 👍🏻
Aesthetically pleasing watch but a terrible time keeper, wish they made a quartz version. Sold mine.
My accuracy is all over the place. Never getting a SEIKO with 6R-35 again. All my other SEIKO run fine with 4R movements.
I got one of the first spb143 sold in Europe (France). And I was surprised by the precision of the movement. And today, 2 years after, I'm still surprised by the precision of this movement! It is -1/+1 by day! WOW! My first accurate Seiko! People tell me I'm a lucky man! Yeah. Sometime, I'm lucky... Little by little, this watch became one of my favorite. Comfortable, accurate, discrete. The glass could have been better. It is nos as transparent as I like them . And the bracelet was an horror to set by myself when I bought this watch! Who did it? What the hell? Worse than the one on my MM300 SBDX017!
But no misalignment! (So... Is it a true Seiko?😁🤣😇)
Whatever, a very good watch. I recommend it.
You got lucky.
@@camarocarl7130 I was really surprised. How is it possible on a Seiko of this range?
But.... There is always a BUT. The true power reserve is rather around 64/65 hours than the theoretical 70 hours. And the isochronism falls dramatically after 50 hours. Strange.
@@brunodn9702 Nice looking, cool history but let's face it, the Swiss Certina is better value and a better movement/watch.
@@camarocarl7130 Certina, in the same group and same range as Mido (I got 3 Mido), Hamilton and Tissot, has something... A little bit more. I think, and of course I'm not sure, and as we know how these watches are made, that the Certina watches are set apart. They are always very well set.
Another thing about this Seiko. When I say it's a very accurate watch, it's a very accurate watch "ON THE WRIST". But, as my MM300, when the watch is put on the table, it's +10/+15 in 8 hours... So... +30/+45 theoretically in 24 hours... So, in the morning, you have to set again the watch with the stop second. This is the charm of these watches. I guess.
@@brunodn9702 IMHO if its accurate on the wrist then it's accurate!
i got caught up in the hype of this watch and almost bought one.....after the dust settled, it really looks like all the other seiko 62mas re-imagined, re-interpretations. not worthy of all the hype, IMHO
The bezel insert is made of hardened brushed stainless steel.
It is ons of the best Seiko watches that you can buy.
6R35 movement is utter rubbish. Strap is too chunky and far too heavy. The watch itself is very nice though.
wish it would come in quartz. Seiko's quartz watches are so ugly
super video! Very informative. tuskind tak