Is The NEW 2023 BMW M2 Really A MUSCLE CAR?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Maybe the 2023 BMW M2 is a BMW Mustang?
In todays video, we go over the history of the M2, and all the things that make the M2 one of the greatest M cars ever produced.
00:00 intro
00:21 BMW M2
02:01 BMW M2 Comp
03:01 BMW M2 CS
03:50 G87 M2
07:20 Is It REALLY A Muscle Car?
#2023 #BMW #m2
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TAGS(IGNORE:) - 2023, BMW, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M8, Comp, Competition, CS, BMW manual, M240i, Xdrive, X6M, BMW M
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Traded my manual M2 Comp last week for this new M2 manual. This one feels more like an American muscle car. Much less zippy than the Comp of you enjoy city driving. This new one has a higher gear ratio more suited for the track. Less responsive in sudden acceleration from cruising speed, needs downshifting which it handles readily. Burbles are non existent at engine startup. Much improved and upgraded interior. Extra weight is mainly due to added reinforcement for power plant and diff. The grip is beyond amazing which makes it harder to drift :(. Miss those special moments. I’ll need time to bond to this one I suppose/I hope.
First off, congrats on the new car dude thats awesome!
Like I said in my video, hopefully one day I can get either the M2 comp OR the new M2, I figured the new M2 would handle like a monster because if you look at the design its made solely for being a track monster and nothing else, hence why the looks are so unconventional, which I LOVE. Finally a car maker makes a vehicle where it prioritizes performance above all else.
I think the G87 is going to age better than the prior gen. Less busy and fewer conflicting angles in the front end.
I hope so, it might have the WRX affect where people always hate it at first, but eventually people come around to it and begin to like it.
I like the new M2, plus I am not missing the old car, since the old car was just 1M with a different name. My main gripe with the G87 is the weight, I don't hate it that much. M2 is the last M car without electric assistance.
it is definitely one of the last true drivers cars being made, and IMO the best one for sale as of this moment, very very good car overall.
I like the look
I once made a controversial hot take on the G87 M2, in which I said it is closer in spirit to a Supra than a M2, and I'm not talking about the Mk5 Toyota/BMW joint project. Controversial design aside, I think the new M2 is a modern, German take on the iconic Mk4 Supra. Think about it:
- Twin-turbo inline-six with enormous tuning potential
- 2+2 GT coupe arrangement, just like the Mk4
- a high claimed weight of 3800lbs (some independent scales reported a lower weight). For context, a stock Mk4 Supra weighed around 3500-3600lbs, modest by today's standards, but a porker for its time.
- Some people even predict the new M2 won't sell as well as it's predecessor. The Mk4 Supra was also considered a sales failure during its production run, and only gained its "legendary JDM" status once tuners realized the 2JZ's potential, and of course the F&F movies. By that time, the Mk4 had been out of production for several years.
Most of these points are ones you've already mentioned in the video, but I'm just re-contextualizing them to compare the new M2 to what was arguably a Japanese interpretation of the American muscle car.
Its something very true, and it seems like no one wants to talk about it, both the fact that the MK 4 Supra was never hyped until after tuning shops found out about the 2JZ-GTE potential, and that the last M2 is close in ideology to the Supra.
And as much as as JDM nerds want to kick and scream about it, it is true, both the mk4 supra and both generations of the M2 are closer to pony cars in ideology rather than a traditional sports car, but god forbid you say that you will be verbally murdered.
@@Jerseygarage I'm not worried about "verbal murder". If one really thinks about it, out of the three most famous JDMs - NSX, Supra, Skyline - only the NSX can lay claim to being a true sports car. The R34 Skyline GT-R is a glorified 4WD 2-door sports sedan, and we already know what the Mk4 Supra is.
I've been dailying my M2 comp for almost 4 years now. I definitely think of it as more of a "pony car" in spirit than a true sports car. When a company creates a car, they determine a bunch of things as a first step: Where will the driver sit? how long will the wheelbase be? Where is the engine? We're talking the most basic of basic things.
The thing is, the answers to these questions will be different if you're building a sports car vs if you're building something practical. And the M2 is a practical car. So you don't get a super low center of gravity, you don't get a wheelbase designed for something with no back seats and you don't sit low in the chassis with the rotation point right around your hips. And that means you lose something relative to a Porsche Cayman or a Toyota Supra/Z4. And honestly? You feel it from behind the wheel. It doesn't go around corners with a sense of effortlessness that a traditional sports car does. It's still got all of the sharpness, but not quite as much balance and you feel that it has a little bit of extra weight. But playing with that lack of balance and that extra weight soon becomes a game in and of it's self. Marginally less good at the twisties than a true sports car, but not necessarily less fun in those situations.
That doesn't mean the M2 handles poorly, but it does mean it doesn't perfectly replicate the feel of a true sports car. It also means it feels more like a...you guessed....a muscle car or a pony car!
In fact, it feels like the best version of a pony car! It's smaller than a Mustang or a Camaro on the outside, while somehow being bigger on the inside with better outward visibility. It turns in crazy fast and there isn't a car in the world that's more fun to slide the rear end in. It's just a crazy little machine that wants to be bad at all times. But that will also haul you and all your crap around, because my god, is this thing practical for a 2-door....
I have been dying for either an M2 comp or a GT350R ever since they both hit the markets, and I'm trying to get either one of them ASAP because IK 10 years from now they will be way too expensive to justify buying.
And I do concur, to me the M2 has always kinda been a hybrid of pony/muscle, but the best of both. The engine ideology from muscle cars, with engines from bigger, meaner performance vehicles, but the sort of lightness on the feet that comes from a pony car, hence why I think they are so praised by literally everyone. Anyone I talk to on here about cars almost always fiends for the M2, because BMW has come as close as ever to building the perfect M car
the design is boxy and small looking but it’s bigger than it is, it looks just so good.
It’s so functional, I can imagine a comp or CS version of it taking track records all over the world if one ever comes out, it’s designed solely to be as fast as it can possible be and nothing else, something enthusiasts have been dreaming of in the modern era, and it’s finally happened
It’s ass made in Mexico
Good video but that software doesn’t have weight, the sensors and computers are already there
BMW said in a response for comment to one of those media outlets (motortrend, car and driver, I can't remember which one) that the added weight comes from reinforcing the chassis so it can withstand the new engine, and from the new features like the weird drift thing.
Agree with your gripe on the weight but the other 2 gripes, drift analyzer and windows are just computer code. All the sensors and hardware are already there.
I had someone else say this to me before, and like I told them I could have read it wrong or be wrong about this in general. BUT, if my memory serves me correct, I’m like 99% sure in response to one of the big auto journalists outlets (motor trend, car and driver, etc), BMW said it was the engine, the chassis reinforcing, and additional electronics that makes this thing weigh a crap ton.
@@Jerseygarage For sure, and normally the electronics are there functioning in the background, and BMW gave us some additional ways to interact with the sensors and wiring already there. Also did you hear about what the M2 is actually putting down to the wheels? 474HP!! That means the engine is probably closer to 500HP at the crank. I'm really in love with the vehicle, hope to be able to order one with the carbon package which also includes, besides the carbon fiber roof, seats, and trim the "M Driver's Package: In addition to raising the top speed of your BMW M vehicle, the package also includes a unique 1-day high-performance driving class at a BMW Performance Center. The course has been tailored to driving M vehicles through various high-speed exercises, letting you experience the limits of the vehicle in a controlled environment." That's right from the website.
Also I really enjoy your cool NPC memes! Just subscribed to your channel. Happy Sunday!
@@hardchemist appreciate the subscription bro, that really means a lot.
Like I said in the video, I am in love with it looks wise, and to have a power plant that strong in a vehicle that small in terms of wheelbase size is really something special. Its currently tied with the Shelby GT350R and the TJ Rubicon as being the cars I want to get ASAP.
With that being said, if I do somehow manage to pull the trigger on one, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait for the comp to come out. I wanna see what they do with the body styling to make it look more aggressive, as I can imagine similar to the m3/4, it will look AMAZING
@@Jerseygarage What do you think about the Mustang Dark Horse? Beefed up engine and cooling bits, Tremec manual, Magneride, and that awesome color...and it actually weighs less than the M2!
@@hardchemist The looks of it are a solid 7/10, they would be a 8 or 9 but the rear end looks just don't do it for me.
1 have 2 other major gripes with the car. 1. The Carbon Fiber wheels look exactly like the wheels off the mid 2000s Pontiac GTO.
2. Ford said the ECU was gonna be locked up like fort knox, meaning tuning is going to be damn near impossible at least for a while, which is annoying.
However, I do really like that drift stick/e brake thing, thats really cool. And you can tell Ford really wanted this to compete with the M2 and other euro/JDM sports cars, and stock, even the dark horse as much as I'd hate to admit it is probably going to be one of the best deals in the sports car world for a while.
With ALL of that being said, I'd rather buy the GT350 or the 350R.
I’ve had my new M2 manual for two weeks now. Unfortunately I am still breaking it in, which is like sitting with a naked lady that I can’t touch. Umm, sorry. It is already so sick, love it. I can’t wait to open it up. It’s amazing.
You are one of the few lucky people to have gotten one of these and actually driving them. How bad were the markups on it?
A very good m car the m2
The car looks gorgeous ngl
couldn't agree more
Well, it sure looks a lot better than every other BMW in the current lineup, which to be fair is an EXTREMELY low bar, but an improvement is an improvement nonetheless. The gimmicky features are annoying, sure, but that just tells me this car will have plenty of room for improvement when it makes its way into the hands of tuners who will rip out everything unnecessary and unlock its true potential.
I'm excited to see what shops will do now that a car this small has the same engine as the M3/4. Especially these german I6s I mean look at the mk5 supra people are like just slapping downpipes, intakes, and a tune on them and they are making RIDICULOUS power.
GREAT review 👏
Which muscle car wins?
German: M2
Japanese: LC500
American: Mustang GT
I appreciate that bro thank you so much!
And depending on how good the new dark horse is, probably the new Mustang.
For now tho, it’s gotta be the M2
Most of the weight is from the M3/M4 based chasis. The “electronics” you mention are just software features, not heavy motors or something.
BMW themselves said the added weight come from chassis reinforcement to withstand the forces from the larger engine, and extra wiring/sensors from stuff regarding new tech features
@@Jerseygarage "extra wiring/sensors" is very vague and I have a hard time believing it adds up to 200 lbs. The examples given in this video are 0s and 1s in the code. Drift analyzer just runs some algorithms on the steering position and traction sensors in the wheels with positional data. Auto rolling windows are just using existing window motors and satellite GPS.
@@HaloDude557 I could very well be wrong, all I’m saying is that I am 99.9% sure I saw an article by one of the big car review brands and when they asked a BMW rep why the thing weighed as much as a blue whale, their response was that the extra weight comes from chassis reinforcing because of the m3 engine, and additional sensors and wiring from new features
More of a 'fitness guru you know the one in the gym with all the tech monitors, gadgets and theory but isn't a true muscle head lunking (for lack of better description) in the sweat shop
thats a pretty good analogy, thing still weighs as much as a walrus
this time i do disagree about it a bit, yes it is VERY obese, but throttle house's review on it was actually pretty positive. Obv you and me cant test it ourselves, but they really liked the drift analyzer and the gimmicks and stuff. But it is too heavy, nearly 200 lbs more than last year, but it doesnt affect the handling and stuff that much according to reviewers. I think you were a bit too harsh on it, considering its prob the last muscle car and the mustang too.
Overall great vid
That’s the real deal ❤
100%
The reason its heavy because use the same chassis as the m3 and m4
also the n54 is like the coyote of the german cars
100%, not crazy but a solid build platform
i would compare that more to an M engine considering how tunable those coyotes are and they make similar factory power
yea the 1m is so rare so nice AND I NEED IT
also w he has a girlfriend
I saw one last year and some old lady was driving it, lucky bastard
And yes I have a GF, and she barely puts up with me
@@Jerseygarage no girl can keep up with a car guy i promise you
TH-cam reviewers are the reason why no used or new performance/sports aren't cheap anymore. Sure inflation has a contribution but still even back in 5 years ago you could find a gem in used car market best bank for buck.
Anyway only thing keeping BMW hype train going is B58/S58 without this engine BMW. I think M2 shares lots of part with M3/M4. It's mind boggling that M4 weighs 50 pounds less than M2 and not to mention that M2 has detuned S58
I do like a lot of youtube reviewers like Sarah Tuned, Doug Demuro, and Matt Farah, as granted some of them are guilty of overhyping awful vehicles, but they are WAY better when compared to the competition who are all like "Yeah Guys, This New Performance SUV From VW Audi Group Thats Just A Copy Paste Rebadged Nightmare Is Fantastic Because Of This Dumb Feature No On Will Use!" Its annoying that automotive journalists MOSTLY aren't journalists anymore and tend to just be mouth pieces for car brands.
And that is true, I have loved the 1M and the M2 line from BMW, and while I love CERTAIN things about the new M2, I would still chose the last gen rather than the current gen, as the current gen just doesn't make sense and is too full of bs to be better than the last gen
@@Jerseygarage yup.. some TH-camrs don't associate with manufacturers when they have press events, but most TH-camrs get all paid hotel, air fairs, meal to review the car.
Speaking about M2 and M240i it supposed to be the "small agile nimble light weight pocket rocket" in BMW line up. They didn't need to make it more than 3500 pounds.. sure you can say.."you don't feel like it's 3900 pounds car" blah blah like most reviewer are saying. Anyway I will stick to my 2014 m235i and maybe will get something else to upgrade.
What do you think of the new M2? Do you like the new design? Do you miss the old M2?
The old m2 was a little bland, the new one looks actually futuristic in a non-ev way.
@@vaultdweller2287 I like both generations, this new one certainly seems to have a lot of people divided, but I agree it looks amazing
I like the new M2, plus I am not missing the old car, since the old car was just 1M with a different name. My main gripe with the G87 is the weight, I don't hate it that much. M2 is the last M car without electric assistance.
The new M2 is good but the old one will always come to my mind as "the M2"
Oh 100%, the 1M is a better car but the M2 isn’t rare and was mass produced, so it got into more people’s hands, which is a massive W
I love the old M2, I think the M2 CS is the best looking modern BMW!
The new M2 is pretty cool, but I would not consider buying it unlike the old M2, which is pretty high on my wishlist.
The CS with those gold wheels and that blue paint job looks stunning.
With that being said, I REALLY like the new M2, it has put function over looks which is what I want in a performance car, idc how good it looks as long as it handles amazing, which I will bet a lot of money this will do.
I’m also right there with you, the M2 Comp is tied with the Shelby GT350R at the top of my dream car list
it's a good car (performance wise) with a manual but it looks like a roblox car 🤣🤣🤣
I can see that, but its design is made so much for functionality and not much else, which I massively support.
Mustang and Ford was never the comparison to BMW chassis design. Cadillac alpha 2 chassis are the most relevant or CAMARO, and both GM products blow away 2,3 and 4 series cars from BMW. Even the upcoming Darkhorse from Ford CANNOT compete for handling because it does not have a chassis built for track.
I only argue that its similar in spirit to a muscle car, I wouldn't put the 2 series up against an american sports car like a camaro or a mustang as a Mustang or Camaro that costs as much as an M2 would easily beat the M2 on track. Just the idea behind the M2 reminds me a lot of the muscle cars of old, which is cool :)
THEY FINALY FIXED THAT GOOFY AHHHH FRONT END
THANK FUCKING GOD
HEY! I LIKED THE FRONT END, IT WAS FUNCTIONAL
@@Jerseygarage bland
@@Jerseygarage no smoke no smoke
@@vaultdweller2287 ahhhh cmoonnnn it wasn't revolutionary but its pretty good
@@THELTX427VA nah u good don't sweat it I'm just breakin balls🤣
The car looks good, but it sounds boring, it's too quiet
I'd own an old M3 E30 over this thing
tbh I really like it, although I would wait for something like a comp or a CS to come out, then I would probably get one
@@Jerseygarage Fair enough, I don't really like new cars in general due to their lack of reliability and that imo they just doesn't sound as pure and raw as older cars
Anyone that says the new M2 is ugly obviously they have not seen one on the street or dealership. I say this because I felt the same way until I saw one in the dealership and ordered it right there and then. Yes it is heavy because you get more than the M2 comp. You have extra brassing in the engine compartment and C-pillar, adaptive dampers, limited slip diff etc etc, and yes more electronic crap that we enthusiasts don't need. And for a bonus, everyone of the dyno tested M2 basically have proved that BMW is lying about a slightly detuned M3 S58 engine. They consistently make 460hp plus AT THE WHEELS, which means is basically the same exact spec engine as in the M3 and M4.
How could a motorsport car be a muscle car??? The m2 could never be a muscle car where are these people getting there info?