Building an Epic scenic Wargaming Table
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- I build a 6x4 foot scenic gaming table for Miniature Wargaming. A WW1 inspired scenery yet suitable for many other games. I talk about my techniques, inspiration and some of the pitfalls of a large project like this.
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Wow, the printer's already sold out in the uk adapter version!
In response to the call to action's open question, I'll roughly quote Arbitor Ian when he was talking about old Warhammer rules: "... And then the tournament scene ruined it for everyone, as always."
Arbitor Ian speaks with wisdom. 👍
So true....
Who is Ian? Is he as cool as Ian Crossland?
I will say I have seen more creative army display boards at 40k tournaments than anywhere else.
1:15 This is exactly what I warn people about: Whenever you fantasize about a new game you always picture it painted and done, ignoring the amount of work. And in that fantasy it appears more achievable than whatever project you are currently working on. It's like swimming half way across a river and noticing that, a mile upstream, it's a little narrower. So, you swim back, walk a mile up stream and start swimming again.
This is one of the most legenday boards I've ever seen. Great work bro!
Well thank you humbly T!
"I paid one in whiskey and one in chocolate" - Suspiciously doesn't say which ;)
Love the build, Alex. Great use of the sponsor product as well, most people don't consider printing terrain in resin due to the size, that printer is a monster.
It is indeed a monster. I think hollowing things out properly and working with cheaper resins then resin printing is great for large structures.
Reminds me of my father. He loved model train layouts. this is how I get him into wargaming lol. Great video!
Indeed! Tell him to build a great model train board! And gently work in the idea you don't need tracks :)
A bold choice, but I would expect no less from you, Alex! To help you rationalize this project: model train folks often start with 4x8 tables, and eventually take over entire rooms, or form a club to house their miniature worlds. So we don't have it that bad.
Glad Bill was able to talk you down from the glue idea. To me at least, the dream is to design modular (e.g. 2x2) sections that have elevation changes, but can still recombine in interesting ways. It's a tall order, probably not a good first table. But maybe something to think about for the future... , *after* this one is done. 😉
production quality is plain awesome, don't know why your channel doesn't have 100k+ subs yet
I appreciate that Nick, hopefully I'll get there one day :)
Honestly, When it will be painted, your table will make me want to play on it. Heavily. The immersion will be 100 times better than Playmat and flat terrain. (if you can afford the storage)
And that's the most important, I think all that work was worth it ! :D
Thanks for sharing your journey.
Thanks Arek 👍
Promising looking board! I have to agree with Bill, don't glue the boards to the table.
Usually I run TH-cam hobby videos in the background while I paint...but I can not help but watch your videos. The "filmography" (is this even a word?) is excellent and the you can make almost any subject interesting. Thanks for this video Alex, as me and my friends plan to build a big table for a long time...and keep up the good work :)
Thanks 🙏 it’s kind of what I hope for. I enjoy the fact that a lot of people watching the channel do so on a big tv. Kind of makes it worth all the ads I hope.
Dude this might be my favorite video so far. I love your camera work and editing and storytelling, and I loved the inclusion of the breaking sawhorse and just the overall craftsmanship on display, including the planning. Your thought process/aesthetic is one of those I wish I had more of in my own lol. 🍻🏴☠️
Thank you greatly TA!
Bill and 52 m have great chemistry. I’d love to hear them do a weekly podcast or something.
When 52 was on trapped under plastic he was a fish out of water the flow of conversation was forced but he had some extremely interesting ideas and ways of thinking. I re watched the episode a few times and would love to hear the what 52 would say if M+J few over to his side of the pond and crash his podcast . I bet M+j Would be twice the fish out of water and probably have some hilarious stories about the trip.
Thanks for the great video 🎉
Ive built two tables, a meadow with forest and a suburban meets urban settlement with New York style brownstone apartments.
It really is fantastic fun!
What a joy is the appearance of a new vid by Alex, doesn't matter what the hobby subject, wherever his thoughts run there's a hobby understanding gain and a wonderful YT experience, the man is an awesome creator
Thank you dearly Phil
I LOVE BILL MAKING STUFF. So awesome to see you two in the same video. Also you have such an angelic voice that makes watching your videos so calm and serene
Bill's great! Thanks P
I love that Bill has become a cameo punchline for tons of makers. Shows up, says something funny, poof he’s gone, lol.
@@Lavasioth Saves him from having to clean up the xps mess left behind! :)
An excellent video Alex thank you, "In the first Video Alex created the ground (there was no sea) and lots of little sandbags to hide behind" I do love a good creation story.
Hah! Thanks Mick!
I'll be honest, I was expecting a small scene where Alex's father was having some chocolate after geting the wood and the foam... That would have been meta as hell!
Great work once again and I can't wait for the next part...
I had done exactly the same style of board 15 years ago, i even made it with hi ges in the middle so i could remove the frame and store it away easier. With trenches and 3d terrain like real craters in mind i used 2 sheets of foam for the bottom layer and i sectioned the board into 4 segment, that could be theoretically replaced or turned to shape the battlefield differently. To my immense rage, it was all throw to the garbage as i stored it at my parents garage while i was building our real house. Could have killed my dad, if he was not our architect... and well dad 😂
Making a gaming table has always felt like an overly ambitious goal. Something that I've always wanted to do but was always afraid I'd never finish. This video makes it seem less daunting. Thank you for being the inspiration you are Alex.
Thank you Erik
Alex brilliant video, the journey with you was as much fun as Bilbo took thankfully no dragon at the end. You could team up with zorpazorp to make a games table.. can't wait to see the next leg of this journey.
Thank you Isi 🙏
It's always a pleasure to watch one of your videos and to accompany the process, or rather the processes, that led you to the finished project. Your family and friends who can help you, the space you can use, it's just a dream.
I had the opportunity to build such panels for GW for a few years and then use them for the individual shops in a large German city, it was a great time, even though it was work, it was always more of a hobby. The times are long gone, but the dream of doing something like this for myself and a few friends in my own four walls has remained.
It's always a pleasure to see how such a dream could feel.
Cool stuff, thank you for sharing T!
The buildup for this episode has me on the edge of my seat!
Hi Ramirez 👋
I like how you're just doing you and not whoring to the algorithm. It feels way more interesting and genuine
We've all got to do a bit of that, but I try to just do my hobby as much as I can.
When you started with "first world war with magic" I shouted "Youjo Senki!" ("The saga of Tanya the Evil"). If you don't know this anime, watch it - it sounds like the book you mentioned! Amazing project, Alex! I'm looking forward to see the first textures and colors on the board :)
Excited to see this one come together, Alex!
Thanks Ben 👋
Getting your son started on whiskey at such a young age is so awesome!
Alex,
This is going to be epic!!!!! Love what you’ve created so far 😊😊😊
Thank you 🙏
@@52Miniatures you are welcome 🤗
nice! looking forward to see how this will turn up
If you find such a massive board too much work and filling up too much space, I'd highly suggest having a look at Necropolis! It's self-described as a "diorama skirmish game", with the board a tiny 16" X 16"! It very much encourages gluing everything down and making the most wonderful looking boards
On the subject of using this board for AoS, I'm reminded of that time when Skaven accidentally gnawed a hole into the bottom of the ocean in Shyish. Skavenblight's lowest levels experienced cataclysmic flooding, before the intake leveled out. By the time the flooding stopped, Skavenblight had a massive surplus of water and zombies, and Shyish's sea level was visibly lowered.
So I'm imagining the board could stand in for a portion of the Shyish coast where shallow seabed was exposed by this calamity. Rewriting old borders between Soulblight counties, and maybe revealing Realmgates previously submerged and unusable to all but the Idoneth Deepkin.
Thanks B! It's a good plan. I mean. I'd definitely play any game on this board, I don't mind the "futuristic" bunkers in a fantasy setting. I mean... there's flying dwaves with machineguns already...
I love it. I'm a massive fan of terrain on boards. It makes playing on them so much more fun. I'm also a fan of this being a modular board and being much easier to store and having multiple purposes. I'd love to have various boards for different games but there is only so much space one can dedicate to miniature building, painting and playing! Keep up the great work!
Being a realist, I know I’ll probably never get round to making a gaming board.
I’m trying instead to make up larger terrain pieces that can be plopped anywhere on the table and combined in multiple ways.
Alex, thank you for sharing the video ! I enjoy the storytelling very much, even if the project is underway. The building is the journey. Good point! Guess you must have a happy father and a happy child now, loooking at the outcome. Must have felt good to do that together with them. :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great work so far, looks great!
Thank you Ashley
1:30 in and it so relatable. So many great grandiose ideas and such weak follow through... One day, maybe something will get done.
Fantastic so far, and even better it's a project that someone can do even if they don't have any 3d printers. Looking forward to more of this project. Cheers!
I was ready to watch a 2 hour video about this but it was only 20 minutes long!!!!! Can't wait for more. Amazing content.
It's always great to see new 52 miniatures content, i'm very excited to see where this goes next/how whatever ground covers and texture pastes deal with the flex in the substrate etcetc and the various wyrdwars additions to the sea bed scenery. And now im measuring my living room again and wondering if i really *need* to be able to get up from the sofa (maybe my opponent could have the option of directing their side semi reclined, roman senator style) It's always good to have a (hirsute or not) friend who can save you from yourself occasionally ...
There is also the wire and pully system of lowering everything down from the ceiling! I'm a bit scared of the flex vs textures I have in mind.. but I'm testing stuff out.
I prefer to be cutting foam and forming terrain far more than actually using it after! Great video, great looking board!
I am always grateful for the refreshing use of intelligence used in all of your videos. No matter the subject matter, you always break everything down in a very intelligent manner. You have an invaluable way of looking at everything from a multitude of angles that I feel are glossed over by many other creators.
I usually don't enjoy when creators are speaking throughout their videos simply because it is rarely thought provoking. You however have a habit of expressing thoughts I have had but haven't fully formed yet. I look forward to your future videos with great anticipation. As always keep up the great work.
Thank you humbly Paul!
I have a 4x6 gaming table but storage is easier without terrain glued on it. Also a lot more versatile for a lot of different games.
I’d love to see you do something else for idols of torment. Like more music, or a neat piece of terrain.
The autumn color from the freeway is glorious. And your Dad is a handsome man
My god man, im gonna say it again, you have preached the bretherns lament on "realised" hobby life and actual life getting in the way in the pursuit. You encapsulated this perfectly, by stating "imagine oursleves actually enjoying" the fruits of our "hobby" work, as opposed to going to work, getting home, dealing with the missus and the kids, then sitting brooding over the Pile of shame, all the "OLD" projects, that i really will finish, hopefully, just hopefully before i expire. I have instructed my son, to tip my whole collection and pile of shame into my grave, so i may finish it all in the afterlife, like some pharoah or chinese emporer. Meet you all across the table in eternity, much love, xxx.
Thank you humbly K. The fact that you have something to keep you busy in the afterlife is not to shabby.
Dont stick it down.
Indeed! When in doubt, call Bill.
Now this is something I need to recommit myself to. Looking great so far.
Thanks Isak!
Wow, this is incredible. I really want to try this.
When I was a teenager, I was the junior member of a (mostly historical) miniatures wargaming group which met in the back room of a model train shop. Our table was a classic *SAND* table, the terrain to be molded in sand moistened with a spray bottle, then embellished with various bits and pieces. Sand is heavy. Wet sand even more so. That table stood on some STURDY legs, let me tell ya! =^[.]^=
Love the storytelling and narration! Some of the best on TH-cam.
Thanks Ryan, I appreciate it.
Absolutely love this video! Anytime I get the notification that 52 has a new video I watch immediately, always so insightful and well spoken.
Also, does anyone know when they are releasing the miniatures for this game?
Thank you. I don’t know if they are, but if they will it will be through Wargames Atlantic probably. But there is a lot of 1st WW stuff out there and the possibility to kitbash
Man I love listening to a 52 Miniatures video. Content is excellent and Alex's voice is very podcast worthy!
one with whiskey, one with chocolate. OK now I'm off to watch the second half, I'm pumped!
Glad your enjoying it!
Oh buddy, that table is worth it. Don’t you dare talk bad about your/our table 🤣
I'm planning on making an expanding gaming table in 2' x 4' sections. Expanding all the way up to 8' x 4' in 2' intervals.
Giving me a 2' x 4' for general use, a 4' x 4' for smaller boardgames and skirmish games, a 6' x 4' for Dnd, larger boardgames and standard size wargaming and lastly the full 8' x 4' for full size wargaming.
Sounds like a great plan!
This is epic! 🎉
Thank you guys 🙏
Hi, you can smooth the filament layer lines by covering the printed pieces with thinned down green stuff, miliput or wall filler! Mix it heavily with water until milk-like and apply it to the printed pieces by brushing against the layer lines. It will settle in the crevices and nooks. Let it dry, maybe repeat and than prime the pieces. You will get an much better result. Hope that helps....😊
Great video and board by the way...
Thanks for the tip Hans!
The first 2 minutes of this video were so well edited and clean I had to watch it multiple times, great deadpan humour. Fantastic vid 🔥
Thank you humbly W!
I don't know why but the line "I paid one in whiskey and the other in chocolate" amuses me to no end.
Oohhh yes, the classic whiskey bribe, always works
I'm excited to see what this will become this is awesome and can't wait to see it finished.
Excited to see how the table turns out, and very jealous, unfortunately I just don't have the space for one.
I think the point in the video about competitive wargaming standardising our tables, and making them more boring, is true. I have one friend who prefers gaming mats to scenic tables, because the dice roll more predictably, and are less likely to get cocked. He's right, but why would we optimise our hobby for dice rolling reliability? The minis are what's special about the hobby, we should lean into that rather than trying to compete with a casino table.
Crazy how I find this perfect video whilst working on a combat patrol board!! Your work is always so well thought out so I’ll be greatly looking forward to your future progress! For my current board it’s a ruined city with a canal sitting diagonally in one half, and parallel to that is a fortress wall of an repurposed bastion from a war 100 years ago. My board has handmade trenches sprawled throughout, going through the broken parts of the wall and the canal. It was funny that you also designed your board to look good for bolt action and 40k because I did the same!
Sounds like a great board!
Who got paid in the whiskey and who got paid in the chocolate?
This is going to look amazing when it's done, can't wait to see it!
Great video. Oh, I can relate, all the games and projects started (usually after watching one of your videos 😉🤣) leading to a crescendo of nothing....how well said Alex. I love this table. I have a dedicated 8x4 train table I started with my son during covid that I soooooo wish I hadn't glued down. You will certainly thank Bill later. Cant wait to see how this all plays out!. Now off to start another project.....
Thanks man, I'm glad for Bills advice.
Loved the video. A good start to a fun and inspiring series. 😊
Love your channel’s cameos. You are pretty cool too, I guess. 🤣
Alas, I made a comment about my family dancing on your video last night, but it was meant for a different video 😅
Your videos are still very entertaining, though, and keep me motivated on my projects.
Stay well mate
A shame! I had a mental image of a family dancing in front of my video. It was a fun image :)
@@52Miniatures Sorry, mate. I should have just left it up lol
I've clicked the like button to express my support for the idea of the currency for a younger and older helper ;)
I've been alternately enjoying, toiling, struggling, labouring, falling in love with, decending into apathy over and slipping into hatred with the process of creating a multi tiered modular Necromunda canal board. I wanted something to fulfill that teenage dream yet be practical in so much as that it could be set up in multiple configurations. I'm working from 6 405x810x6mm MDF base boards with xps canals channelled in that then can be broken down and stored away again due to my limited space. It's been ongoing for almost 5 years at this point around health problems, family and work commitments so this video struck a chord. Thanks for this. PS i'm so glad you decided against glueing it all down directly to the table. My sense of trepidation on your behalf was palpable.
I hope you get the board finished one day, but yes, these projects really are massive
Completely worth it. Mine has a modular scenic, TV, and dry erase on a 2 point hinge so you can spin and lock in place. I did the 6x4 format in interchangeable 3x2ft pieces with roads and streams at specific points like a model train. This was my 3.1 version and took me 20 years to complete.
I think dividing into three sections is a good storage and transportation solution too. I’m starting to realize that will be an issue for me
This is a great idea for a board! Looking forward to seeing how this progresses. Amazing work as always sir! 😁❤️👍🏻
Thank you 🙏
Awesome video, thanks! Looking forward to the next part.
That looks amazing and very inspiring. It is worth the time and effort, and I wish I had the time and effort to do this kind of build. I enjoyed watching this take shape so far. I'm looking forward to the rest of your work on it.
thoughtful and inspiring and beautifully shot as always--makes me want to take the plunge!
Your video style, editing, your voice and delivery are wonderful. Thank you!
Thank you too!
Well, that was fun Alex. You seem to have a bottomless well of creativity to draw from. I'm really looking forward to seeing how this progresses. Given your unique proclivities, I believe that you will find it even more entertaining as you go. It seems to me that the more you enjoy a project the more captivating it is for me to watch. 👍
Thank you. 🚀🪄✨🗡️🔫
Thanks man, I’m desperately balancing getting it done with bogging down into details
This is great. Looking forward to watch the rest of this beautiful creation.
Fully agree about the tournaments simplifying and over-streamlining terrain and rules in wargaming
Hi Alex, do you pay in whisky? Well I'm your man!
Great job, I think everybody wish to have such a table to can play with, perhaps we all are a little small kids inside, but now we can build what we just dreamed of when we were younger. Thanks for ma king us all dream again
Thanks Thorik! It is indeed a dream, that takes a bloody long time do finish. Hah!
Wow, looks amazing already
Thank you Calle!
This is my dream kind of board. I know it’s been 3 months or so and this stuff need time to breath to get the best result but I can’t wait to see he next video for it. I don’t say it to add pressure I’m just excited about it. I really enjoyed the last Ork painting video too. He looked phenomenal.
Great to hear Sophia, I'm looking forward to finishing the table :)
Appreciate the call out to Valhalla this week! We play hnefetafl frequently, but I've been trying to get everyone on board with some more modern war games!
What is the metrics involved? “My squad of berserkers move 4 mead tankards”?
I like to think of it as post-mead when, as the aggressor, you double-team the jarl's men while sopping drunk. Their skulls cleave easier having steeped in ancient honey-wine.
Looks awesome, looking forward to watching the next installment!
Very cool. Only thing to note is that those dragon's teeth (tank traps) look absolutely tiny, real ones are 2-3x that big.
Maybe they've been slowly sinking down into the old sea bed :)
Thank you for this series - I am working on a series of 1ft square tiles for the Last War with a modular trench system
My pleasure, working on the next instalment right now, should be out next week.
Hi Alex ! Amazing video quality as always ! Love your approach to how you present this project in the context of your life and thought process. Looking forward to seeing the final results and the rest of your journey to get there.
Thanks Alexandre, I appreciate it. Another video on the board will be up later today.
Oh me, oh my, that looks amazing!
"I paid them in whisky and chocolate..."
Dark chocolate and a whisky go well together 😂
Awesome build mate,I wish i had the room for something like this 😅
You and me both!
I really enjoyed this video, and am looking forward to the rest of the series. I'm excited to see your usual attention to detail, particularly light and visual composition, brought to a wargaming table. One thought I had is do you have enough taller line-of-sight blocking terrain elements?
I don't think I do... The ship will be large but the bunkers should have been maybe gun placements on hills... looking into it.
I don't know which FDM printer you have but I reckon you could tweak it and get much more details and better prints overall. Can't wait for the next videos, keep up the awesome work!
Indeed, I have tried that a lot and kind of given up.
Wonderful video. So looking forward to seeing this progress, and man, I'm jealous. Maybe someday I'll be able to make the insane commitment of such a board myself. :P
I think much of the tendency toward scatter terrain (over large environment terrain) also comes from play sessions at the local hobby shop. I might play a WWII game in the morning and you play a futuristic game in the evening. While we may be able to share of the same pieces of terrain, there's almost no chance we'll both be able to use the same full-table.
Now do that every day, and add a greater variety of genres, as well as players wanting a new setting every game, and you can see why they favor scatter terrain.
Yeah but that epic scenic wargaming table really ties the room together, does it not?
I also plan on getting an elephant to recreate the effect at home.
I guess this is coming too late - the next video is probably already made - but I think I'd play a few games on the proposed layout before fixing anything in place.
Looking forwards to seeing the folly in its finished state.😊
It's a good point. I work in realtime so I've not done more on the board than you can see in the video. I did plan on getting Karl in to check things for me again.
@@52Miniatures Okay. Cool. I thought it would already be complete in the real-world. From experience - a test game or two on a fixed board can be very instructive. I was particularly wondering how the high-ground would function. I'm sure it'll be stunning when complete. Have fun. 😀
In Warhammer that hill will grant a bonus ap since it's to dang tall but from the looks of it most you can get is like on single tank on it, probably either a whirlwind or a lancer but they will be WIIIIIIDE open to getting shot back so not that huge of a up side, as far as the trenches and river and stuff goes I mean depending on if you let models in the rivere aka it's ankle deep, it can be a smart creative way for infantry to move along the board to get to a desired target like eradicators don't always need a transport now which is helpful to make them useful without another 260 points investment, land raiders will be great on this board the lazcannons and the size will let it cross without a bridge and be thematic for opening up and letting out a little hunk of something like hell lasters or the like
That is already looking like a superb table. Really looking forward to seeing how it progresses and I always enjoy your thoughtful approach to your projects. I do think you could have got more out of @BillMakingStuff about his secret project though.
Hah! "He can't tell me anything about it"
Awesome! Looking forward to this.
Love that your Dad has been to the Wensleydale Railway (Appleby). Great film as ever Alex.
He's born and raised up there :)