Nintendo needs to reveal switch 2 this week just to absolutely destroy Sony. Like “oh PlayStation is charging you $700 for a console that doesn’t even have a disc drive and looks barely different from the regular? Well look at us”
„We’ll look at us, we don’t have the third party AAA games like the others“ Yes the switch 2 will be more successful as the ps5 pro but I think the market of both does not overlap that much compared to ps,Xbox, and pc. For me, if you have a ps and a switch, you could play >90% of the newly released games.
It offered blue ray digital media center including a DAC for your music and a optical toshlink out. Ps5 took this away ps5 pro is now expecting to then pay extra for dvd drive which by the way at least allows you to buy sell trade borrow games from friends and family whereas digital copies don't you own no physical copy of the game and some times your forced to pay for such games multiple times as well when it's a digital copy. You cannot sell your games you cannot sell your steam library on PC either they ban you for it if caught even if you own thousands worth of games but want to give up on PC This is where stewamdecks became very useful as a portable pc console
600 is the absolute max a console can go for. This is what happens to Sony when they dominate console sales, they get greedy af. Xbox not doing well for years has led to these crazy prices that Sony thinks they can get away with. Nintendo operates in its own lane. So many people have both a switch and ps5 bc of this, I certainly.
This puts xbox in a good stand for next gen if they do plan to release next gen in 2026 1. If you're gonna pay 600 or more it might as well be full on next gen new architecture 2. By 2026 the cost to zen5 may go down so the new xbox might be less than what ps5 pro is now. 3. Xbox will have a lead into next gen. The last time xbox dominated, they were early in the gen with the 360 4. If the rumor is true that xbox will have 2 sku, a handheld and traditional home console, they will hit more demographics
@zeohblitz Thing is, if the rumors are true that the next Xbox would allow for multiple store fronts... Xbox may not want to subsidize the console at cost/Loss anymore... Since they would not be making nearly as much from game sales as they used to.
I was almost certain I was going to get the PS5 Pro, but it would be $850 after tax to get a PS5 Pro with a disc drive. That's insane. I'm going to pass...
I don't think people understand JUST how bad this pricing is. . . because they forgot how last gen went: - The base PS4 came out in 2013 at a launch price of $399. - The base PS4 got a price drop 2 years later in 2015 of $359 in america and $299 in Europe. - The PS4 Pro released 3 years after the launch of the base PS4 and 1 year after the price drop. - The PS4 Pro launched in 2016 at a price point of $399 (the same price that the base PS4 launched at). - AT NO POINT DID THE PRO VERSION COST MORE THAN THE LAUNCH PRICE. - 4 years after the Pro, the base PS5 launched in 2020 at a price of $500, $100 dollars more than the PS5 pro. - 4 years later (which is twice as long as it took the PS4 get a price drop) the PS5 has never once received a price drop. - 4 years after the launch of the PS5 (1 year longer than it took for the PS4 to get it's pro) the PS5 Pro is "set" to release. So lets crunch some numbers here: - The PS4 Pro cost $0 more than the launch price of the system. - The PS4 Pro cost $40 more than then then-current price of the base console for American audiences. - The PS4 Pro cost $100 more than then then-current price of the base console for European audiences. - The Price increase from the PS4 Pro to the base PS5 (a new CONSOLE generation) was $100. - The price of the PS4 pro was a 11.1111% increase for American consumers and 33.3333% increase for europeon audiences. - The price increase from PS4 Pro to the next gen was $100 or 25% increase from the PS4 pro. - The price from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro is a *40% increase in price* without a disc drive or vertical stand (both of which came with the base PS5 system) - The increase from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro is 200% of the increase from the PS4 Pro to the PS5. Just for perspective: - From the average price of the PS4 after the price drop, the price increase for the base PS4 to base PS5 was around a ~50% increase or ~x1.5 the price. - Meanwhile the Increase from the PS4 pro to the PS5 pro is 75% increase or x1. 75 the price. - The price difference from PS4 Pro to the base PS5 is $100 which is 200% or x2 the price of the jump from the PS5 to a PS5 Pro at a $200 increase (not even counting needed "accessories" which I would count as part of the price if i could find how much the pro version of these accessories would actually cost). Conclusion: - The price increase is more than the increase for an entire console generation. . . just for a pro unit. This cost is more than what should be expected for the PS6 based on those datapoints. - If the PS5 gets a separate disc drive skew and a separate stand. . . I expect sony to charge more than the base PS5 disc drive and vertical stand accessories. TL;DR: The PS4 pro cost the same amount of money that the base PS4 launched at. The PS4 Pro never costed more than the launch price of the base console. A $200 price increase is what is expected for a generational leap, not a pro skew. This is not inflation at work. This is a mixture of incompetence, mismanagement and greed. The base PS5 _never_ got a price drop despite it being out twice as long as it took for the base PS4 to get it's price drop.
@@pinkrudy Don't worry good sir. For you, we left a very thoughtful "Conclusion" section as well as a "TL;DR" section. Everything else is just evidence to support the claims for those that need it. ^u^
@@chrisssharpcornerswilliams6381the president doesn't effect the price of consumer products that's up to the companies and Sony isn't even an American company
I think the elephant in the room is that this pricing sets the stage for a $800 PS6. I would’ve expected Sony to knock $100 off the price of the regular PS5 and sell the Pro for $600
@@NawwwwwwwwwI fully expect Sony to tell SIE (Sony Interactive Entertainment) to sell the PS6 as a digital-only console, and when that happens, I am no longer buying their hardware. All hail Switch and PC (and maybe Xbox).
That's exactly the way it is going. They watched the scalers getting rich over the last couple of years that both nvidia and AMD decided to up prices. So Sony is now doing it Unless it can 120fps @4K then it's not worth it Why are consoles still sticking at 4k 60, with fake 8k capable
@@SpanishArmadaProd the only people ive seen " defending " sony, are trolls. Ive seen two people that i would assume were serious, but they were just MAJOR sony bootlickers. So yeah imo its safe to say that a lot of the public hasnt responded well to the new ps5 pro.
Honestly... yes. I think you're the first comment that made me consider buying a Pro. I've been iffy about getting an Edge controller but if bundled with a Pro instead of a base controller, that actually offsets some of the buyer side cost with more features. I could see myself more willing to upgrade to a Pro if they did that.
@@MagnumMotions that doesn’t even make sense a ps5 pro is overpriced that’s why it should come with the edge to even it out a bit but the 4090 while it may be expensive you do have other options from other brands that might be a bit cheaper and if you don’t like the price that’s fine go with a card within your budget but the ps5 has no other options for a improved system plus the ps4 pro was much closer to the price of the launch ps4
The sad reality is, I've already seen one scalper saying he's hard passing on these lol Even scalpers know when something is a bad deal with no profit margin potential.
Remember when companies openly took a loss on the hardware because it was the software that made the money? Now it's make all the money from the hardware and don't even make the software.
@@xervantezxvi5022 Not sure what you mean? I was literally implying just that with my comment. That they should reinforce that point by saying something like that.
Two things: 1) Sony needs to recoupe the $100 million spent on Concord. 2) Sony wants to remove the sticker shock from PS6 when it comes out in four years or so by having consumers make peace with the increase now, even if the sales of the PS5 pro are not great.
It's the fact that the stand isn't included that bugs me the most. It's $700, over $200 more, and it doesn't include the thing you need to make sure it works? So if you stand your console up, you have to pay more or else your console is gonna go boom the second you turn it on.
Having a powerful PC is great because you can tweak the settings in every game you play. Having a powerful console is irrelevant for any game that isn't specifically optimized for it by the developers. These mid-gen consoles are dumb and now they are also insanely expensive.
So ...am I the only one that remembers that the "no compromise" 4k/60fps with 8k options was the exact promise Sony said about the PS5 launch? Come on people they are flat out asking you to pay for what they lied about this Gen.
PlayStation Thinking: We have No Games. We Raised the Controller Prices. We are getting rid of your physical Media. We are Basically XBOX in every way just have More Nostalgia. Now Pay us 700 Bucks you pay pigs for Privilege of saying you're a pay pig.
QUESTION: so the PS5 is almost 4 years old, how many games have released that are PS5 games not PS4 remakes or games compatible with the system. SPECIFIC PS5 games? Now when the PS4 was 4 years old, how many PS4 games existed? For this PS5 PRO, how many of the PS5 games will actually make NOTICIBLE use of this more powerful system? 10%? No stand, no disk drive, = new system is $800, so is the pitch.... for $800 dollars you can get a system that has slightly better graphics in 10% of is games library that is 1/2 the library of the PS4 for same age? People are getting ripped off, as the Sony narrative is a deception and content creators need to point this out. FACTS not propaganda. Someone with the FACTS need to go over these numbers and let people know what they are actually getting and not getting.
Imo it is not worth double the price. Very, very few people have tvs that really would benefit from the PS5 Pros power and as the internet is proving, very few people even notice a difference between the gameplay footage shown. Also concerned how they only showed games that have been out for a while for demos instead of any new upcoming games.
The fact that Mark Cerny said the developers are asking for more power is laughable. They didn’t even push the limits of the current models. All they’re going to do is remaster the remasters that were already remastered first party titles and reap in the money from PS fanboys. They should’ve launched it at $599 max and included a game with stand and dropped the current models down to $399. As a current owner of the original digital version, I would’ve considered this just mainly for the 2TB SSD with improvements. But $699 with no disc drive and no stand and this will carry over for 3-4 years before the next-gen consoles, Sony can officially fuck off. They need a corporate shake up. Considering how much the industry had shifted towards handhelds, I think I’ll just give my money to Nintendo’s next upcoming Switch instead.
Black myth wukong runs at 1080p 45fps on Balance settings. if it gets an update it should be able to run at 60fps and maybe look more like 1440p with the PSSR
This console is basically for all those people who spent $1000 on eBay when the PS5 launched, without even batting an eye. That told Sony people will pay anything for the latest and greatest.
Basically the PS5 Pro is what we should have gotten with the PS5 at launch. For those that have a PS5 it might not be really worth buying the PS5 Pro. But it's up to you. I'm not surprised the PS5 Pro doesn't come with the disc drive, but it's probably a cost cutting measure they did. I do like how we have the option to buy the disc drive used by the PS5 Slim. It's pretty stupid that the vertical stand is sold separately. $699.99 (console) $79.99 (disc drive) ....$780 😨 Honestly, I don't have a PS5 and the PS5 Pro (and the disc drive) is what I will be getting. It is a lot of money but I think of it like an investment that I will be using for years. What's weird is that people have no issues buying the latest iPhone Pro Max or the latest Galaxy Ultra (for example) which are sold at over $1000. But it's weird how we see a game console that's not even $1000 and think it's so expensive. The way I see it, there's likely at least 15+ games that you'll get on PS5 and more than likely even more over time. You're definitely going to get your money's worth.
I think you're missing another key point or two for why everyone agrees it's too expensive. One, all it offers over a base is it enables both fidelity and performance simultaneously. That's it. And two, sorry to burst your bubble on "last you for years" but we're already about halfway through this console generation's life cycle. 4 years in. You're only getting a few more years out of it before the 6 gets rumored and announced. It's not worth $800 now for something that will be replaced in a few years. (800 accounts for a complete syste, disc drive and stand that are both optional)
I honestly laughed at the price. I wasn't even thinking of getting ps5 pro and after seeing the price of 800€ I definitely won't be getting one 😂 like never. And the fact that even for that price you can't get the stand, is just ridiculous.
There reason why they did Sony said you can buy the disc tray as a $70 add on so they want you to buy the disc drive as separate Because they want you to spend more money it’s going $770 with the separate drive
Yeah, but they’re really just hoping customers won’t buy the disc drive so they can justify their move to all-digital. Xbox might actually be the last holdout for powerful home consoles with disc drives, but once that’s gone as well, I’m going PC until any of them accepts physical or DRM-free digital media again.
PS4 to PS4 Pro was a much more significant upgrade and costed less, and it wasn't revolutionary. PS5 Pro does not even address CPU bottlenecks. And then there's the price...
$700 minimum for slightly better looking gameplay with a current library of 21 exclusive games (a good chunk of which are VR) seems pretty insane... For that price you could get a pretty decent gaming PC or laptop and play...pretty much every game out there other than first party exclusives for usually a better price per game. I want Sony to do well, I just want them to do right too...
Stand + disc drive + system + tax in my area ...$960. I can't imagine buying this over a PC. Not to mention the PS4 Pro had poor support overall among total amount of games that supported it.
I fully expect developers to "try to take advantage of the new PS5 hardware" which will end up repeating the exact same problem that happened to the base PS5. . . making the PRO in PS5 pro stand for Pointless Retail Option. I expect the PS5 vs PS5 pro to go the same way as it did with Xbox Series S vs Xbox Series X
I got a lot of flack for saying that when they raised the price of the PS5 in Japan that the pro wouldn't be $500 at release. I also got a lot of flack when I said that I thought the PS5 pro would be an all digital system. And guess what, it ended up being $700 (more depending on where you live based on conversion rates) and also ended up being all digital (with the option to purchase a detachable disc drive which will cost an additional $100).
Tbf though, we could have expected it not to come with a disk drive based on the slims structure so that's not surprising. However, f everything else. Not paying $200 over a slim just so I don't need to choose between fidelity and 60fps. I'm perfectly fine with running 60fps performance mode on my launch day PS5 and I didn't need to buy a stand or disk drive. Sad that Sony actually got it right on launch then failed everything past that.
Personally interested as a nearly lifelong PlayStation fan (i.e. the likely demographic for this console), but I'm definitely gonna wait until newer games like Ghost of Tsushima 2 and GTA 6 come out first and I was going to wait until I can finally upgrade the main TV i have right now. But definitely a higher price than what most people were expecting, and it's definitely a gaming enthusiast console in my opinion.
Kinda insane people were expecting a must have game shown for ps5 pro when they haven’t really done that for base ps5 yet. Granted I know what’s on display is enough for some people and that’s fine. But I don’t see anyone who hasn’t made the jump to ps5 yet suddenly wanting to because of the pro. This is going to be extremely niche and that’s mostly because of the price. Because on paper the pro is a nice upgrade but not at that price.
Many people don't even have the display for getting the best out the ps5 so the same people not going to spend 1500 bucks or more for a 120 hertz hdmi 2.1 display to fully enjoy the capabilities of the ps5pro and again spend 800 bucks for the console NO WAY 90% will not so the ps5 pro will be for a minority !
You have to pay around $1000 to get the full experience package (console, disc drive, vertical stand and a high-end TV that fully supports all the console has to offer.
I mean. I get the criticism, honestly. But I have an OLED that will support the upgrades fully, and FF7 Rebirth and Horizon both look INSANE! I’m getting this thing. My disc drive came in yesterday. ✌️👍
For that price they should really either bundle in a couple of 1st party showcase games like horizon FW and maybe Spider-Man 2 or Ragnorok. If they wanna keep age rating down then include Ratchet and the new astrobot. Or include a 12 month Extra/Premium sub. I don’t think they’ll do anything but a similar limited game selection like when PS5 could also help entice people if it included some more up to date titles.
I agreed with you. Don’t think most consoles gamers care much if at all about not having to choose between fidelity & performance. It’s cool but far from needed.
Not for everyone? It's not for ANYONE! My PS5 died a few months ago and I was holding out on the Pro, now....I won't be repairing mine nor buying a Pro at that price point.
It's damnz shame the cost of electronic entertainment for the people. There's no 2 player co op split screen, backwards compatibility of ps1,ps2 and ps3. All major gaming companies need to ask the people ( old school gamers) for advice, if it gets worse I'm done hanging it up completely 😢.
Following on from this morning’s early reveal of the PS5 Pro, PlayStation has now revealed the Australian price for the console.PS5 PRO AUSTRALIAN PRICE AND RELEASE DATE The PS5 Pro will cost $1,199 AUD in Australia and release on November 7th with pre-orders beginning on September 26th. This doesn’t include a disc drive, so we’ve done the price for both together as well (it can be purchased for $159 separately). PS5 Pro 2TB (Digital) - $1,199.95 AUD PS5 Pro 2TB with Disc Drive purchased separately- $1,360 AUD In addition to a 2TB SSD and Wi-Fi 7 support, here’s the three ways that the PS5 Pro pushes games forward.Upgraded GPU With PS5 Pro, we are upgrading to a GPU that has 67% more Compute Units than the current PS5 console and 28% faster memory. Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother. Advanced Ray Tracing: We’ve added even more powerful ray tracing that provides more dynamic reflection and refraction of light. This allows the rays to be cast at double, and at times triple, the speeds of the current PS5 console. AI-Driven Upscaling: We’re also introducing PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, an AI-driven upscaling that uses a machine learning-based technology to provide super sharp image clarity by adding an extraordinary amount of detail.
Why aren’t the people covering this not calling out Sony for the BS? They’re all stating the obvious about the scummy pricing and the nickel and diming. But what Sony is promising with the PS5 Pro is what was promised for the base PS5. 4k 60 frames..yet we rarely get that and now you have to pay $700 to finally ensure that you can get that. Kevin Kenson isn’t the only TH-camr to gloss over that but when he mention how he was excited to play games at that performance level , the first thought to come to my mind is that THATS WHAT WAS PROMISED DAY ONE with the base PS5.
Not against the pro model but need to see how it actually performs with new titles and not older games. They did the same with the ps5 at launch when they patched older ps4 titles to run a fidelity mode at 60fps. Worked great initially until games got more taxing and will be a similar story with the pro model.
So let's see, it's 700 bucks (plus tax), digital only...so if you add the cost of the disk drive, a stand, plus games (what few there are and that's not taking into account the need of an internal drive as well) you more than likely go near the 1000 dollar mark which is what i got get for a gaming PC. Personally, i would rather buy the base disk model for 500 and use the rest of the money to get a lot more bang for my buck with games and accessories.
I’m interested but the price just seems absurd - I really don’t have room for my gaming PC at the min, so if I want better graphics all I got is consoles and whatever upgrades they do. I was excited for the Pro I was happy if it was about £500 maybe £600 I’d bite but £700! That’s equivalent to $914 it’s very hard to justify that. The stupid thing is, I’d imagine it’s not even using latest and greatest hardware either, they said nothing about CPU Cores so it’s still using at this stage old Zen 2 Cores (we’re on Zen 5) so surely it’s not been that expensive to make, just their markup seems over the top.
There is a history of new systems having hardware problems. It could be something as simple as overheating. It might be a good idea to wait before purchasing.
Wouldn’t mind having the more powerful console for playing Alan Wake II, but apart from that I really don’t have any issues with how the launch PS5 runs 🤷🏼♂️
And yet another point the Pro doesn't improve on. Absolutely zero mention of upgrading the ridiculously small base SSD memory. I had to spend an extra $250 on an internal extended 2TB SSD just to have room for some games.
Honestly, for the what it is doing the price makes sense. That being said, not including the disc drive is kinda ridiculous. The disc version still sells more than the disc based PS5.
@@Kenjionigod They’re preparing their customers for an all-digital future. If the PS6 is completely digital-only, I am buying an Xbox instead (with a DualSense 2 or whatever).
In your opinion is the Pro worth the money, if I don't own a PS5 or should I just get the PS5. At the moment I only have a Nintendo switch so a ps5 pro or even the ps5 would be a huge upgrade. I had previously been planning on buying a ps5, but then heard rumours about a Pro so I held off until now. Or should I start looking at getting a PC?
I guess my question is why aren't game developers actually trying to develop their games for the hardware that it's releasing on? I can understand developing a PC game and having to deal with the limitations of computer specs across their user base. But the PS5 has a set spec list. The fact that there's a Fidelity or Performance mode on first party games is just laziness.
We all thought the Portal wouldn't sell well. I think the PS5 Pro is for next year's games like GTA 6 and others, which is why they didn't say much about games with it.
My roommate wants to buy it no questions asked since he was already planning on getting a PS5. So he's basically gonna pay an extra 200 bucks plus tax for more power over a PS5 Slim.
I just paid $700 for a PS4 pro 500 million limited edition 2 terabyte sealed this year. I'll pass on this one for the rest of this year maybe in the middle of next year for the pro.
I can afford it but I'm not going to buy it I'm just going to wait for the PS6. People must be insane paying for that much to really have nothing on the pro crazy.
In my humble opinion this is all stuff the initial PS5 should have had. The fact that it's 2024 and we aren't getting consistent 60fps is wild to me. I love playstation.. I've had every one since ps1 but 700 dollars with no disc drive just seems so unbelievably outrageous. Sony's agenda at this point in time has never been more clear to me. I personally refuse to buy this. Hopefully gta6 runs well enough on the base ps5 but if not oh well I'm not spending 800 dollars on a mid gen upgrade.
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Nintendo needs to reveal switch 2 this week just to absolutely destroy Sony. Like “oh PlayStation is charging you $700 for a console that doesn’t even have a disc drive and looks barely different from the regular? Well look at us”
Hear hear 👏
Nintendo doesn't care stop thinking they really do next year the switch 2 will be revealed
„We’ll look at us, we don’t have the third party AAA games like the others“ Yes the switch 2 will be more successful as the ps5 pro but I think the market of both does not overlap that much compared to ps,Xbox, and pc. For me, if you have a ps and a switch, you could play >90% of the newly released games.
Yes pin this to make it the top comment.
Nintendo is not fighting with any other company, They are more smart than that.
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Imagine if kevin's name was stan
😢 But horizontal is best for the For the heatsink for it to leave when it gets hot
Go home Sony, you're drunk again, just like the PS3 launch.
true arrogant Sony is back from the PS3 days. Its time to put them back in their place and learn some humility.
It offered blue ray digital media center including a DAC for your music and a optical toshlink out.
Ps5 took this away ps5 pro is now expecting to then pay extra for dvd drive which by the way at least allows you to buy sell trade borrow games from friends and family whereas digital copies don't you own no physical copy of the game and some times your forced to pay for such games multiple times as well when it's a digital copy.
You cannot sell your games you cannot sell your steam library on PC either they ban you for it if caught even if you own thousands worth of games but want to give up on PC
This is where stewamdecks became very useful as a portable pc console
600 is the absolute max a console can go for. This is what happens to Sony when they dominate console sales, they get greedy af. Xbox not doing well for years has led to these crazy prices that Sony thinks they can get away with. Nintendo operates in its own lane. So many people have both a switch and ps5 bc of this, I certainly.
They aren’t dominating the market though. Nintendo is.
id even go as far as saying $500 is the max tbh. After that you might as well save up and just go to PC.
Last time I checked switch is the best selling console not the Playstation 5
This puts xbox in a good stand for next gen if they do plan to release next gen in 2026
1. If you're gonna pay 600 or more it might as well be full on next gen new architecture
2. By 2026 the cost to zen5 may go down so the new xbox might be less than what ps5 pro is now.
3. Xbox will have a lead into next gen. The last time xbox dominated, they were early in the gen with the 360
4. If the rumor is true that xbox will have 2 sku, a handheld and traditional home console, they will hit more demographics
@zeohblitz Thing is, if the rumors are true that the next Xbox would allow for multiple store fronts... Xbox may not want to subsidize the console at cost/Loss anymore... Since they would not be making nearly as much from game sales as they used to.
I was almost certain I was going to get the PS5 Pro, but it would be $850 after tax to get a PS5 Pro with a disc drive. That's insane. I'm going to pass...
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Good decision
Not for everyone? Its not for anyone...
The rich lol I’m waiting on price drop
Definitely for me I'm definitely gonna buy it.
@@SamuraiDanny Ima get the console too
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@@Sir_Adam If being a sheep means I'm not a peasant then, sheep all the way. I enjoy the rage of the poors haha, day one for me ❤
I don't think people understand JUST how bad this pricing is. . . because they forgot how last gen went:
- The base PS4 came out in 2013 at a launch price of $399.
- The base PS4 got a price drop 2 years later in 2015 of $359 in america and $299 in Europe.
- The PS4 Pro released 3 years after the launch of the base PS4 and 1 year after the price drop.
- The PS4 Pro launched in 2016 at a price point of $399 (the same price that the base PS4 launched at).
- AT NO POINT DID THE PRO VERSION COST MORE THAN THE LAUNCH PRICE.
- 4 years after the Pro, the base PS5 launched in 2020 at a price of $500, $100 dollars more than the PS5 pro.
- 4 years later (which is twice as long as it took the PS4 get a price drop) the PS5 has never once received a price drop.
- 4 years after the launch of the PS5 (1 year longer than it took for the PS4 to get it's pro) the PS5 Pro is "set" to release.
So lets crunch some numbers here:
- The PS4 Pro cost $0 more than the launch price of the system.
- The PS4 Pro cost $40 more than then then-current price of the base console for American audiences.
- The PS4 Pro cost $100 more than then then-current price of the base console for European audiences.
- The Price increase from the PS4 Pro to the base PS5 (a new CONSOLE generation) was $100.
- The price of the PS4 pro was a 11.1111% increase for American consumers and 33.3333% increase for europeon audiences.
- The price increase from PS4 Pro to the next gen was $100 or 25% increase from the PS4 pro.
- The price from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro is a *40% increase in price* without a disc drive or vertical stand (both of which came with the base PS5 system)
- The increase from the PS5 to the PS5 Pro is 200% of the increase from the PS4 Pro to the PS5.
Just for perspective:
- From the average price of the PS4 after the price drop, the price increase for the base PS4 to base PS5 was around a ~50% increase or ~x1.5 the price.
- Meanwhile the Increase from the PS4 pro to the PS5 pro is 75% increase or x1. 75 the price.
- The price difference from PS4 Pro to the base PS5 is $100 which is 200% or x2 the price of the jump from the PS5 to a PS5 Pro at a $200 increase (not even counting needed "accessories" which I would count as part of the price if i could find how much the pro version of these accessories would actually cost).
Conclusion:
- The price increase is more than the increase for an entire console generation. . . just for a pro unit. This cost is more than what should be expected for the PS6 based on those datapoints.
- If the PS5 gets a separate disc drive skew and a separate stand. . . I expect sony to charge more than the base PS5 disc drive and vertical stand accessories.
TL;DR:
The PS4 pro cost the same amount of money that the base PS4 launched at. The PS4 Pro never costed more than the launch price of the base console. A $200 price increase is what is expected for a generational leap, not a pro skew. This is not inflation at work. This is a mixture of incompetence, mismanagement and greed. The base PS5 _never_ got a price drop despite it being out twice as long as it took for the base PS4 to get it's price drop.
I was told there would be no math. 😳
@@pinkrudy Don't worry good sir. For you, we left a very thoughtful "Conclusion" section as well as a "TL;DR" section. Everything else is just evidence to support the claims for those that need it. ^u^
Hopefully when trump gets in he will lower it lol
@@chrisssharpcornerswilliams6381the president doesn't effect the price of consumer products that's up to the companies and Sony isn't even an American company
Expect the PS6 to be $900 and $100 games
I think the elephant in the room is that this pricing sets the stage for a $800 PS6. I would’ve expected Sony to knock $100 off the price of the regular PS5 and sell the Pro for $600
Ps6 digital £800, ps6 physical £900
@@NawwwwwwwwwI fully expect Sony to tell SIE (Sony Interactive Entertainment) to sell the PS6 as a digital-only console, and when that happens, I am no longer buying their hardware.
All hail Switch and PC (and maybe Xbox).
That's exactly the way it is going.
They watched the scalers getting rich over the last couple of years that both nvidia and AMD decided to up prices.
So Sony is now doing it
Unless it can 120fps @4K then it's not worth it
Why are consoles still sticking at 4k 60, with fake 8k capable
Scalpers
It’s time for PC to make steamdeck style interface and make seamless gaming pc that are console like. Big picture mode is nearly there.
I’m dying because I have not seen ONE happy or excited comment about this system. It’s literally 100 percent talking crap about it 😂 damn
nope theres plenty of ppl you just arent looking hard enough
@@SpanishArmadaProd 95% hates it.
@@SpanishArmadaProdprice is to big to get around it
@@SpanishArmadaProd the only people ive seen " defending " sony, are trolls. Ive seen two people that i would assume were serious, but they were just MAJOR sony bootlickers. So yeah imo its safe to say that a lot of the public hasnt responded well to the new ps5 pro.
If you need to look hard that means there isn't any@@SpanishArmadaProd
Corporate wants you to spot the difference between these 2 pictures..........
For that price it should come with a DualSense Edge
Honestly... yes. I think you're the first comment that made me consider buying a Pro. I've been iffy about getting an Edge controller but if bundled with a Pro instead of a base controller, that actually offsets some of the buyer side cost with more features. I could see myself more willing to upgrade to a Pro if they did that.
Then RTX 4090 for it’s price should come with keyboard, motherboard, ssd, cooler, power supply and etc
@@MagnumMotions that doesn’t even make sense a ps5 pro is overpriced that’s why it should come with the edge to even it out a bit but the 4090 while it may be expensive you do have other options from other brands that might be a bit cheaper and if you don’t like the price that’s fine go with a card within your budget but the ps5 has no other options for a improved system plus the ps4 pro was much closer to the price of the launch ps4
Scalpers...be our guest. We'll wait for the PS6🤣
Exactly
The sad reality is, I've already seen one scalper saying he's hard passing on these lol Even scalpers know when something is a bad deal with no profit margin potential.
@@tinystar3010 Sony really slipped on this one.
Remember when companies openly took a loss on the hardware because it was the software that made the money? Now it's make all the money from the hardware and don't even make the software.
Consoles are basically weak closed PC's at this point with now the price to match, Nintendo is the last real console.
Sad but true, and with PC you dont need a subscription for online play.
Son: mom can you buy me a ps5 pro its $700
Mom: are you taking the piss?
son: “it also doesn’t come with a disc drive”
mom: “are you taking a shit?”
LMAO
$700 console can run 2-4 year old games better than the current one? No way!
Nintendo needs a commercial like..."This is how you afford your console".
Uno card when sony did a video how you share ur game to diss xbox one 😂
@@georgeberthiaume4496 Exactly the reference I was referring to. That really was a great ad by them.
Nintendo is still Strong and better than Sony PlayStation
@@xervantezxvi5022 Not sure what you mean? I was literally implying just that with my comment. That they should reinforce that point by saying something like that.
im good not paying 850 for a consule
Over 1 k in canada after tax 😅
@@georgeberthiaume4496 950 euro 🤣🤣😂😂
I love how the design for the pro just put on racing stripes.
Just build a PC and buy Switch 2 for future gaming.
Yes. PC and switch 2 all the way for the next 5 years , Sony can go to hell
Can we just start a trend where people don't buy these consoles with insane prices? Just to change the market.
Two things: 1) Sony needs to recoupe the $100 million spent on Concord. 2) Sony wants to remove the sticker shock from PS6 when it comes out in four years or so by having consumers make peace with the increase now, even if the sales of the PS5 pro are not great.
4:44 "Nintendo's goal... is the software library (games) and the fun of it all."
Those should be the top goals of every video game company.
It's the fact that the stand isn't included that bugs me the most.
It's $700, over $200 more, and it doesn't include the thing you need to make sure it works? So if you stand your console up, you have to pay more or else your console is gonna go boom the second you turn it on.
All this power to play it on my 11 year old 1080p lcd TV 🤣
They should focus on more and better games. No one cares about real-time reflections on the side of the cars in a racing game...
Having a powerful PC is great because you can tweak the settings in every game you play.
Having a powerful console is irrelevant for any game that isn't specifically optimized for it by the developers.
These mid-gen consoles are dumb and now they are also insanely expensive.
So ...am I the only one that remembers that the "no compromise" 4k/60fps with 8k options was the exact promise Sony said about the PS5 launch? Come on people they are flat out asking you to pay for what they lied about this Gen.
Yup hell, it says 4K 120 FPS or 8k right on the box. 800 bucks for something you have to squint to see the benefit of is total BS.
PlayStation Thinking:
We have No Games.
We Raised the Controller Prices.
We are getting rid of your physical Media.
We are Basically XBOX in every way just have More Nostalgia.
Now Pay us 700 Bucks you pay pigs for Privilege of saying you're a pay pig.
QUESTION: so the PS5 is almost 4 years old, how many games have released that are PS5 games not PS4 remakes or games compatible with the system. SPECIFIC PS5 games? Now when the PS4 was 4 years old, how many PS4 games existed? For this PS5 PRO, how many of the PS5 games will actually make NOTICIBLE use of this more powerful system? 10%? No stand, no disk drive, = new system is $800, so is the pitch.... for $800 dollars you can get a system that has slightly better graphics in 10% of is games library that is 1/2 the library of the PS4 for same age? People are getting ripped off, as the Sony narrative is a deception and content creators need to point this out. FACTS not propaganda. Someone with the FACTS need to go over these numbers and let people know what they are actually getting and not getting.
Imo it is not worth double the price. Very, very few people have tvs that really would benefit from the PS5 Pros power and as the internet is proving, very few people even notice a difference between the gameplay footage shown. Also concerned how they only showed games that have been out for a while for demos instead of any new upcoming games.
I have not paid 2000 for a stupid phone or a pair of shoes will not buy a door stop with no games to play on it
The fact that Mark Cerny said the developers are asking for more power is laughable. They didn’t even push the limits of the current models. All they’re going to do is remaster the remasters that were already remastered first party titles and reap in the money from PS fanboys.
They should’ve launched it at $599 max and included a game with stand and dropped the current models down to $399. As a current owner of the original digital version, I would’ve considered this just mainly for the 2TB SSD with improvements. But $699 with no disc drive and no stand and this will carry over for 3-4 years before the next-gen consoles, Sony can officially fuck off. They need a corporate shake up.
Considering how much the industry had shifted towards handhelds, I think I’ll just give my money to Nintendo’s next upcoming Switch instead.
Black myth wukong runs at 1080p 45fps on Balance settings. if it gets an update it should be able to run at 60fps and maybe look more like 1440p with the PSSR
This console is basically for all those people who spent $1000 on eBay when the PS5 launched, without even batting an eye.
That told Sony people will pay anything for the latest and greatest.
I'm getting so much entertainment for free laughing at Sony that I don't need to buy their shit console for entertainment
Basically the PS5 Pro is what we should have gotten with the PS5 at launch. For those that have a PS5 it might not be really worth buying the PS5 Pro. But it's up to you.
I'm not surprised the PS5 Pro doesn't come with the disc drive, but it's probably a cost cutting measure they did. I do like how we have the option to buy the disc drive used by the PS5 Slim. It's pretty stupid that the vertical stand is sold separately.
$699.99 (console) $79.99 (disc drive) ....$780 😨
Honestly, I don't have a PS5 and the PS5 Pro (and the disc drive) is what I will be getting. It is a lot of money but I think of it like an investment that I will be using for years. What's weird is that people have no issues buying the latest iPhone Pro Max or the latest Galaxy Ultra (for example) which are sold at over $1000. But it's weird how we see a game console that's not even $1000 and think it's so expensive. The way I see it, there's likely at least 15+ games that you'll get on PS5 and more than likely even more over time. You're definitely going to get your money's worth.
I think you're missing another key point or two for why everyone agrees it's too expensive. One, all it offers over a base is it enables both fidelity and performance simultaneously. That's it. And two, sorry to burst your bubble on "last you for years" but we're already about halfway through this console generation's life cycle. 4 years in. You're only getting a few more years out of it before the 6 gets rumored and announced. It's not worth $800 now for something that will be replaced in a few years. (800 accounts for a complete syste, disc drive and stand that are both optional)
I honestly laughed at the price. I wasn't even thinking of getting ps5 pro and after seeing the price of 800€ I definitely won't be getting one 😂 like never. And the fact that even for that price you can't get the stand, is just ridiculous.
There reason why they did Sony said you can buy the disc tray as a $70 add on so they want you to buy the disc drive as separate Because they want you to spend more money it’s going $770 with the separate drive
You forgot the price for a stand too. Also not included. So you're at $800 before taxes.
Yeah, but they’re really just hoping customers won’t buy the disc drive so they can justify their move to all-digital.
Xbox might actually be the last holdout for powerful home consoles with disc drives, but once that’s gone as well, I’m going PC until any of them accepts physical or DRM-free digital media again.
Comes with free magnifying glass so, you can really see the difference!
PS4 to PS4 Pro was a much more significant upgrade and costed less, and it wasn't revolutionary. PS5 Pro does not even address CPU bottlenecks. And then there's the price...
$700 minimum for slightly better looking gameplay with a current library of 21 exclusive games (a good chunk of which are VR) seems pretty insane... For that price you could get a pretty decent gaming PC or laptop and play...pretty much every game out there other than first party exclusives for usually a better price per game. I want Sony to do well, I just want them to do right too...
Stand + disc drive + system + tax in my area ...$960. I can't imagine buying this over a PC.
Not to mention the PS4 Pro had poor support overall among total amount of games that supported it.
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I fully expect developers to "try to take advantage of the new PS5 hardware" which will end up repeating the exact same problem that happened to the base PS5. . . making the PRO in PS5 pro stand for Pointless Retail Option.
I expect the PS5 vs PS5 pro to go the same way as it did with Xbox Series S vs Xbox Series X
Not for anyone.
I got a lot of flack for saying that when they raised the price of the PS5 in Japan that the pro wouldn't be $500 at release. I also got a lot of flack when I said that I thought the PS5 pro would be an all digital system. And guess what, it ended up being $700 (more depending on where you live based on conversion rates) and also ended up being all digital (with the option to purchase a detachable disc drive which will cost an additional $100).
I hate tht u were right i guess sonys greed is gotten to them
Tbf though, we could have expected it not to come with a disk drive based on the slims structure so that's not surprising. However, f everything else. Not paying $200 over a slim just so I don't need to choose between fidelity and 60fps. I'm perfectly fine with running 60fps performance mode on my launch day PS5 and I didn't need to buy a stand or disk drive. Sad that Sony actually got it right on launch then failed everything past that.
Personally interested as a nearly lifelong PlayStation fan (i.e. the likely demographic for this console), but I'm definitely gonna wait until newer games like Ghost of Tsushima 2 and GTA 6 come out first and I was going to wait until I can finally upgrade the main TV i have right now.
But definitely a higher price than what most people were expecting, and it's definitely a gaming enthusiast console in my opinion.
Kinda insane people were expecting a must have game shown for ps5 pro when they haven’t really done that for base ps5 yet. Granted I know what’s on display is enough for some people and that’s fine. But I don’t see anyone who hasn’t made the jump to ps5 yet suddenly wanting to because of the pro. This is going to be extremely niche and that’s mostly because of the price. Because on paper the pro is a nice upgrade but not at that price.
Many people don't even have the display for getting the best out the ps5 so the same people not going to spend 1500 bucks or more for a 120 hertz hdmi 2.1 display to fully enjoy the capabilities of the ps5pro and again spend 800 bucks for the console NO WAY 90% will not so the ps5 pro will be for a minority !
You have to pay around $1000 to get the full experience package (console, disc drive, vertical stand and a high-end TV that fully supports all the console has to offer.
You mean$2,000? The tv alone is over $1,000 to buy that would compliment this
I mean if you're SILLY...then you definitely need it
I mean. I get the criticism, honestly. But I have an OLED that will support the upgrades fully, and FF7 Rebirth and Horizon both look INSANE! I’m getting this thing. My disc drive came in yesterday. ✌️👍
For that price they should really either bundle in a couple of 1st party showcase games like horizon FW and maybe Spider-Man 2 or Ragnorok. If they wanna keep age rating down then include Ratchet and the new astrobot. Or include a 12 month Extra/Premium sub. I don’t think they’ll do anything but a similar limited game selection like when PS5 could also help entice people if it included some more up to date titles.
I agreed with you. Don’t think most consoles gamers care much if at all about not having to choose between fidelity & performance. It’s cool but far from needed.
Not for everyone? It's not for ANYONE! My PS5 died a few months ago and I was holding out on the Pro, now....I won't be repairing mine nor buying a Pro at that price point.
It's damnz shame the cost of electronic entertainment for the people. There's no 2 player co op split screen, backwards compatibility of ps1,ps2 and ps3. All major gaming companies need to ask the people ( old school gamers) for advice, if it gets worse I'm done hanging it up completely 😢.
Never had a PS3,4 or 5 but am tempted to get this when GTA6 releases for the best experience with that game (presumably it gets PS5 pro enhancements)
Following on from this morning’s early reveal of the PS5 Pro, PlayStation has now revealed the Australian price for the console.PS5 PRO AUSTRALIAN PRICE AND RELEASE DATE
The PS5 Pro will cost $1,199 AUD in Australia and release on November 7th with pre-orders beginning on September 26th. This doesn’t include a disc drive, so we’ve done the price for both together as well (it can be purchased for $159 separately).
PS5 Pro 2TB (Digital) - $1,199.95 AUD
PS5 Pro 2TB with Disc Drive purchased separately- $1,360 AUD
In addition to a 2TB SSD and Wi-Fi 7 support, here’s the three ways that the PS5 Pro pushes games forward.Upgraded GPU With PS5 Pro, we are upgrading to a GPU that has 67% more Compute Units than the current PS5 console and 28% faster memory. Overall, this enables up to 45% faster rendering for gameplay, making the experience much smoother.
Advanced Ray Tracing: We’ve added even more powerful ray tracing that provides more dynamic reflection and refraction of light. This allows the rays to be cast at double, and at times triple, the speeds of the current PS5 console.
AI-Driven Upscaling: We’re also introducing PlayStation Spectral Super Resolution, an AI-driven upscaling that uses a machine learning-based technology to provide super sharp image clarity by adding an extraordinary amount of detail.
Sony has lost their minds
pay has no limits
Why aren’t the people covering this not calling out Sony for the BS? They’re all stating the obvious about the scummy pricing and the nickel and diming. But what Sony is promising with the PS5 Pro is what was promised for the base PS5. 4k 60 frames..yet we rarely get that and now you have to pay $700 to finally ensure that you can get that. Kevin Kenson isn’t the only TH-camr to gloss over that but when he mention how he was excited to play games at that performance level , the first thought to come to my mind is that THATS WHAT WAS PROMISED DAY ONE with the base PS5.
Gamers: We need more GAMES not more Consoles
Sony missed the memo and will take another L. This is not how you recoup the losses from Concord.
Not against the pro model but need to see how it actually performs with new titles and not older games. They did the same with the ps5 at launch when they patched older ps4 titles to run a fidelity mode at 60fps. Worked great initially until games got more taxing and will be a similar story with the pro model.
PS5 Pro is definitely for the top 1%
799 € are as of today about 880 $, when converted. How did they justify charging europeans 180$ more?
yea I saw that. 800 euro for you guys. Sony knows europe is one of their most popular markets.
It's not 180$ more.
The European price is with tax. The US price is always without tax.
In the UK, it costs £699.99 GBP, which equals $914 USD.
So let's see, it's 700 bucks (plus tax), digital only...so if you add the cost of the disk drive, a stand, plus games (what few there are and that's not taking into account the need of an internal drive as well) you more than likely go near the 1000 dollar mark which is what i got get for a gaming PC. Personally, i would rather buy the base disk model for 500 and use the rest of the money to get a lot more bang for my buck with games and accessories.
Around 1150 Canadian for the console and it’s in my opinion necessary accessories……. Absolutely bonkers
Things like this makes a veteran console player like me want to actually join the PC master race despite hating them for years…
PS6 $1500, sold the controller separately too LMAO ! 😂😂😂
why not
You know Kev, I still don't even have the PS5 or Xbox Series X. How can I even afford the price of this...SAD!
I’m interested but the price just seems absurd - I really don’t have room for my gaming PC at the min, so if I want better graphics all I got is consoles and whatever upgrades they do. I was excited for the Pro I was happy if it was about £500 maybe £600 I’d bite but £700! That’s equivalent to $914 it’s very hard to justify that. The stupid thing is, I’d imagine it’s not even using latest and greatest hardware either, they said nothing about CPU Cores so it’s still using at this stage old Zen 2 Cores (we’re on Zen 5) so surely it’s not been that expensive to make, just their markup seems over the top.
Everyone? This is for nobody, there is barely anything to differentiate it from the other models
The original PS5 doesn't have 1TB storage, it has 825 mb, only about 600 mb is usable.
There is a history of new systems having hardware problems. It could be something as simple as overheating.
It might be a good idea to wait before purchasing.
Wouldn’t mind having the more powerful console for playing Alan Wake II, but apart from that I really don’t have any issues with how the launch PS5 runs 🤷🏼♂️
PS5's best feature was SSD and load times. That's the game changer for me.
And yet another point the Pro doesn't improve on. Absolutely zero mention of upgrading the ridiculously small base SSD memory. I had to spend an extra $250 on an internal extended 2TB SSD just to have room for some games.
@@tinystar3010 Pro comes with 2TB, and agreed storage limitation on the normal PS5 went FAST!
799 euros = 14 Funnier Switch Exclusive Games
Please make Thee announcement , Nintendo.
Honestly, for the what it is doing the price makes sense. That being said, not including the disc drive is kinda ridiculous. The disc version still sells more than the disc based PS5.
@@Kenjionigod They’re preparing their customers for an all-digital future. If the PS6 is completely digital-only, I am buying an Xbox instead (with a DualSense 2 or whatever).
$800 USD for disc drive and stand. 😂
Arrogant Sony has Returned.
In your opinion is the Pro worth the money, if I don't own a PS5 or should I just get the PS5. At the moment I only have a Nintendo switch so a ps5 pro or even the ps5 would be a huge upgrade. I had previously been planning on buying a ps5, but then heard rumours about a Pro so I held off until now.
Or should I start looking at getting a PC?
I guess my question is why aren't game developers actually trying to develop their games for the hardware that it's releasing on? I can understand developing a PC game and having to deal with the limitations of computer specs across their user base. But the PS5 has a set spec list. The fact that there's a Fidelity or Performance mode on first party games is just laziness.
Sony: look at the difference between PS5 and PS5 pro
Me playing Ragnarok on a PS4 Pro: Wow I..... still don't see a difference.
When you get to $700+ range you’re competing for new smartphones purchases, which is a necessity now
We all thought the Portal wouldn't sell well. I think the PS5 Pro is for next year's games like GTA 6 and others, which is why they didn't say much about games with it.
It not meant for everyone, hence the reason why they are not discontinuing the base PS5. It’s not rocket science 💀
My roommate wants to buy it no questions asked since he was already planning on getting a PS5. So he's basically gonna pay an extra 200 bucks plus tax for more power over a PS5 Slim.
I just paid $700 for a PS4 pro 500 million limited edition 2 terabyte sealed this year. I'll pass on this one for the rest of this year maybe in the middle of next year for the pro.
Not for everyone, it's not for anyone.
Hey Kevin I think if they offered competitive games at like 144hz or higher I would defo go for it
Sea of stars in the background is incredible
I can afford it but I'm not going to buy it I'm just going to wait for the PS6. People must be insane paying for that much to really have nothing on the pro crazy.
If this thing sells even 1 million I will be pretty surprised.
It's not the price for me it the fact its not having a disk drive
Kind of worth it if you get more storage
So basically Playstation said let's just just be the "Scalpers" ourselves.
This is what will happen when they know they don't have competition. The price will go crazy! 😢
In my humble opinion this is all stuff the initial PS5 should have had. The fact that it's 2024 and we aren't getting consistent 60fps is wild to me. I love playstation.. I've had every one since ps1 but 700 dollars with no disc drive just seems so unbelievably outrageous. Sony's agenda at this point in time has never been more clear to me. I personally refuse to buy this. Hopefully gta6 runs well enough on the base ps5 but if not oh well I'm not spending 800 dollars on a mid gen upgrade.
No Disc Drive? $800? I don't think so Sony.
I'll just stick with my standard PS5 thank you!