Honda OIL DILUTION Problem! (Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Honda CR-V)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- Did you know that HONDA has admitted to having an oil dilution problem with several of their 1.5L cars, including the Honda CRV, Honda Civic, and Honda Accord! There's even a Honda class action lawsuit related to oil dilution! However, oil dilution isn't just a problem with Honda's 1.5L engine, the Honda 2.0L engine also has oil dilution issues as I've recently discovered. In this video, we'll cover - What is oil dilution? Can oil dilution damage your car - oil dilution damage? What are the symptoms of oil dilution? How can you prevent oil dilution, or at least lessen the chance of oil dilution on your Honda? Is oil dilution a Honda engine problem, or can it be an issue with all direct injection (DI) engines? If you have a Honda Accord, Honda CRV, or Honda Civic, you'll want to watch this video on oil dilution.
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I get anywhere between 3% and 7% on my 2.0t after about 10 analysis on the oil. It depends on the temeprature. When its cold in the winter, the fuel dilution is bad, when its hot in the summer, its very low. But never had bellow 3%. Hence why I run 5w30. By the end of 4000 miles on my oil changes, its down to a 0w20. A 0w20 would be down to 0w10.
90% highway driving with 30 minute driving to work, and 30 minutes back. Plenty of time to warm up the oil and have the fuel evaporate.
My Blackstone analysis for my 2018 2.0T Accord came back with 2.5% fuel. I do lots of idling and short trips, but change the oil every 3 to 5k miles. Ironically, my ex wife's 1.5 CRV had a little less dilution. All GDI cars have this to a degree and I'm not concerned. If you change the oil frequently it's not going to cause noticeable wear. Based on what I've been told by numerous Honda techs, the 2.0 is very robust, and head gasket failure is a much bigger problem for the 1.5 than oil dilution
Not sure how much fuel was in mine but my oil sheared from 0w20 to 0w16 after just 1800 miles. So because of that if you intend on using 0w20 I would change it more frequently (2000~ miles or so) or just use 5w30 which is my preference.
There is a difference between a diesel oil dilution and petrol because diesel is literally an oil so even though it degrades the engine oil it is better than petrol which is a natural degreaser.
im more interested in "my ex's wife's" LOL
@@HondaAccordPerformancewhat about using 0w20 in the winter and 5w20 for the summer?
@@zxy40765w and 0w are for winter temperatures. The 20 rating is for heat. You could go 5w30 or 0w30 for the summer. If you are in a colder climate then 0w is better
22 civic touring, big city driving. started using 91 octane fuel and changing the oil every 4 months and that seems to be working. The dip stick smelled like gas until I started using the better fuel.
But you shouldn't have to do all that. Honda does not live upto it's name anymore.The oil dilution problem is common here in Canada. I did an oil change and the oil came out reeking of gasoline. The used oil was filled up to about 4.5 qts. The oil capacity on the engine is 3.7 qts, which means there is at least 0.8 qts of extra fluid mixed in there with the oil. My commute to work is 30min, so thT should be more than enough time for the car to warm up. Anyways I sold the CRV and bought a RAV4. No issues with ANYTHING ever since : )
Great videos keep it up I have a 22 2.0 Accord wiyh Ktuner and other mods what was your percentage of fuel when you got your analysis back ?and do you think my car being K tuned is contributing to the fuel dilution I just got mine back from Blackstone it was 3.3% after 3600 miles driven
I was at ~4.5%, but the last time it went down to ~3.5%, possibly due to me taking my own recommendations to try to lower it 🤷♂️🤔
It would have been nice to have seen your UOA from the oil lab. I owned the 2.0 Accord and kept a very close eye on my engine oil. Luckily I never had more than.5% fuel dilution on any of my lab reports.
How’s it going man. Just watched your video and it was very informative. I never knew this was a thing with Hondas. I have a 2021 Accord 2.0 T. Before this I had a Hellcat. Hellcats had the same issue to some degree due to the pressure of the supercharger causing some blow by of the piston rings. One thing that helped was having a catch can. Do you think having a catch can would assist in this situation?
A catch can wont prevent oil dillution and you dont need it if your car is stock.
&markhenry7039 - well, I have a catch can, and… 🤷♂️. It’s not going to stop fuel from getting past the piston rings into the oil 🫤
An oil catch can makes NO difference on oil dilution. Oil dilution occurs from fuel making its way into the crank case. A catch can has no way of stopping this.
My 2019 accord 1.5l sport manual suffers from rear camber. Inner rear tires wear out very fast. I need to install camber adjustment bars.
The drained oil from my last change could not be contained in the 5 quart jug that contained the new oil (Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20). I will be changing at 50% remaining going forward. My work situation recently changed resulting in 6 mile trips twice daily in Chicagoland. Thanks for the informative video!
Yeah, that’s a problem 😮. Glad you found the video helpful 👍
7:55 will that erase your ecu tune? And vice versa if the shop gives you an update, can you then run Ktuner without erasing that update?
What about an additive like Motorkote. It wouldn't help with dilution but would it give the engine move protection from the oil dilution? Just a thought. I don't think it can hurt. Anybody have any thoughts on it.
My 2019 Ridgeline uses oil, takes about a half quart every 2000 miles. I have a twenty year old Toyota Matrix, never had to add oil between changes.
I thought that the fuel in the oil pan stays there until you change it, but it turns out according to you that it can be burned or evaporated during good amount of driving it. I recently bought 2021 accord exl 1.5l with 8 k miles. I checked the oil stick, the level was okay but it had a smell of gasoline, it remind me of our 30 old Ural side car motorcycle that had a same exact smell. My question is, would driving my car softly and without abuse lessen the oil delusion ? I feel like when you gun your car, some parts of fuel still end up being unburned thus fuel sneaks into the pan. Thanks
if i do a software update will it be affected by the tune i have? ktuner stage 2
I take 45-60 minute drives a couple times per week, the rest mainly short drives running errands. I haven't done a blackstone analysis but by the time I'm about to change the oil in my 2020 Accord 2.0T I'm definitely going to. Also I've never heard of Honda updating the software to change the heating parameters of the engine, I would set up another service appointment but the diagnostic fee kills me every time I bring mine in
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Need to get my oil tested being at 34k, highway driving 6 days a week with long trips every month and a half. Hopefully it isn’t as bad with dilution.
Do you think the performance mods, especially the larger turbo ,have any effect on oil dilution? The numerous dyno pulls and drag racing ?
No I don’t think mods have anything to do with it.
What about a block heater for cold climates? Never used one with NA engines but, I'm considering it if I purchase a used civic SI 1.5T.
A heater won’t prevent it from happening, or heat the oil enough to burn the fuel off. 🤷♂️
I have been a Honda fanboy for 3 decades never have I ever experience so many problems with Hondas especially the last 14 years. The oil dilution issues are part of the problems at Honda but more importantly those corrupt dealerships are not helping customers. They are still pushing for long oil change intervals so they can sell new cars to customers every 5 or 6 years.
I have completely gravitated towards Toyotas and Lexus and never looked back at Honda/Acura. There is a big difference in quality. Toyotas ages more gracefully and parts quality are absolutely amazing. There are still many models are still Made in Japan and parts still largely still Made in Japan.
It's the 1.5L engines! The direct injection plus turbo builds up too much pressure and pushes unburnt gasoline past the piston rings into the oil.
affect crv hybrids?
Ok, this was a very helpful video. I am asking for some clarification as I don't believe I heard the answer in the video. Civic has a 2.0L base engine (no turbo) as well as the 1.5L turbo engine. Accord and CR-V have a 1.5L turbo base engine, no more 2.0L turbo engine but both have a 2.0L non turbo engine in the hybrid configuration. Are they all suspect to oil dilution or are there some in my list that are and are not? Excellent video!!
The 2.0 non turbo is the civic and Hrv and port injected and don’t suffer from this issue.
Thanks. I'm also interested in the Accord Hybrid... also a non turbo 2.0L on the ICE side of the powertrain.@@DC5JDMRSX
Im new to your channel but thanks anyway
I will share my experience owning 2017Honda CRV 1.5ltrs turbo @68,000kms Mech.from Honda found out oil dilution other than that Cylinder head broke and Camshaft ...before that I heard a Knocking and grinding sounds in the engine so I didn't drive and call a towing. Everything is covered my extended warranty before the expired date,,my worries is it safe to keep this CRV or frequent Oil change to keep on the road again ???
Welcome to the channel 😁👋. Sorry to hear about all the problems you had with your 2017, luckily they were covered under warranty 👍. Changing your oil more frequently will certainly help with oil dilution.
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No problem yet on my 2.0T. I will just keep my oil change more often. I usually wait till my maintenance minder at 50%oil life then change oil.
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5,000 miles is exactly when you should change oil
The 2.0 liters do not have this issue, it's the little 1.5l earth dreams engine. The direct injection plus turbo builds up too much pressure early in the warm up cycle and pushes unburnt gasoline past the piston rings and into the oil.
I hope that everyone understands that ALL Gasoline Direct Injected (GDI) motors have the oil dilution issue, all brands, all makes. It's due to the use of a high pressure fuel pump. Leaking injectors compound the issue. The facts and suggestions in this video are good. Don't drive short distances (only) and do change your oil more often than your Honda's Maintenance Minder suggests. Drive your car on the highway regularly. Sustained highway speeds will cause some of the gasoline in the oil to evaporate. I have a '19 CRV with the GDI 1.5L turbo motor and I follow the Honda forums. As a means of not subjecting the internal motor parts to diluted oil, I always replace the oil AND oil filter at 5000 miles. Oil dilution cannot be stopped in motors that use the direct injection design. It's normal for the oil to smell somewhat of gasoline. Follow the suggestions in the video and here to reduce any long term negative effects.
Why are the engines still be used in new cars?
I'm in Atlanta so doesn't really get super cold here but I use Amsoil 0W-20 and their filter. I changed the oil just last week and it had 5,200 miles on it and sent a sample off to oil analyzers to check it out. The maintenance oil reminder was at 60% but I'm well familiar with the oil dilution issue and don't want to have problems so I sent it out to get tested.
I’d be interested in knowing the results when you get them.
@@TheLemonFactorWhere do you send your oil to be tested?
I use Blackstone Labs 👍
@@TheLemonFactorwhat do they charge and how much oil do you have to send.?
@Tracy-wr7mj www.blackstone-labs.com/
My oil always smell like gas,no matter what I do.I think every GDI suffer from oil dillution.Now,will it affect the longevity of the k20?Im not exactly sure.The l15 is a weak engine to start with but the k20 is a whole different story ,my 2.0t has 115 000 kms and runs like new so we will see.
If the dilution is bad enough it’s going to reduce the viscosity of your oil, which will increase wear, regardless of the engine type.
At some point yes it will.Now,is a gas smell a bad indicator?I do most of the work myself but my mech told me to not even worry about it.@@TheLemonFactor
Yeah on my 1.5 even if I change my oil at 3k or less it still smells like gas. Even in the summer. My work commute is 50 miles one way with few short trips in between. I mean what more can you do at that point... @@alpe6228
Using GF6A and GF6B Oil reduces the oil Dilution issue. In civic use GF6B which is 0W-16 Oil.
Lol of course the channel owner doesn't respond
You didn't mention anything about premium fuel. Other yters out there have suggested that premium fuel can help mitigate these issues as well as blown headgaskets. Do you agree or disagree?
The use of 87, 91, or 93 octane fuel has no impact on fuel dilution.
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My 2018 2.0T dipstick smells like gas. The car doesn't get driven a lot and had an oil change beginning of Jan and only driven it 200 miles since I work from home. It is bad for cars that sit? Should I get it changed again? My 2018 2.0T only has 16K miles.
Drive it on highway for 60 miles once in a while. Very short journeys are not good. Car needs to warm up completely
@@ericwanyonyi2445 new cars warms up in 1-2 mins
If this were a major problem, why Honda has not initiated a recall?
Recalls are predominantly for safety related issues.
Does this mean I should probably avoid buying a 2020 Honda CRV? Is this big enough of an issue to avoid?
That’s up to you to decide. There are some who don’t experience this issue as much as others based on their climate and driving style. At a minimum I’d look to change the oil more frequently if there is signs of oil dilution. With that said, I’d buy my Accord again in a heartbeat even knowing about oil dilution.
Have I made a mistake getting an accord over a Camry, one year of ownership and a dozen problems.
I’ve had no issues with my Accord over the past 4-5yrs of ownership until this. I’m very happy with the Accord, and will make some changes to my maintenance schedule to make sure that the oil dilution doesn’t damage anything. With that said, if you’re having multiple problems, I can see why you’re questioning your decision 🫤🤷♂️
No issues with my 2021 Accord 2.0t either........
These newer Camrys have had multiple transmission issues/recalls. You can pick between both which problem you want to deal with. They are both flawed in some ways
Overall Toyota > Honda
The direct injection plus turbo is causing too much pressure to build early in the engine warm up cycle and its forcing gasoline past the rings and into the oil. There's a good reason why Honda removed the "earth dreams" badge off of their 1.5L engines. No one will know just how much bearing wear this is causing for a few more years. Seems like Honda could replace the rings with a slightly larger size to help stop the blow by
I have a 1.5T Accord , and I have no concerns about the oil dilution . I am more worry about head gasket issues or fuel injectors .
came here to say this. Honda has a "quality dilution" problem it seems.
How is it not a recall? My local honda guy said hes done 10 head gaskets with the 10th gen on customers with normal oil changes and normal driving. When I asked him how many on the 9th he said he hasnt had to do 1 for a customer that changed oil on the reg and drove it normal.
@@NerdyMeathead because it is not consider a safety issue .
I have the same car and worry about the head gasket and injectors. Oil dilution happens on short commutes when the engine does not warm up. I have a 40 minute commute one way. The car does take a very long time to warm up.
@@michaeldibble5208 is that when you drive in the winter? Or any given day?
Does 87 vs 93 make any difference with oil dilution?
No it does not.
@@TheLemonFactor When I use 93, I don't have any oil dilution, when I use 87, I do. This is totally consistent.
I’m sorry, but that’s not how oil dilution works 🤷♂️
I have a 2020 1.5 accord , 65k miles, no oil issues so far, hoping my head gasket last as long as it can lmao
My 2018 1.5t is going into the shop on Monday.... head gasket.. fuel injectors and spark plugs ... 100k still love it ❤
2018 Accord Touring owner here. Anyone else get a fuel pump recall? Saying the fuel pump module may have an improperly molded impeller.
Yes!
Got one for my Ridgeline, I bring it in for recall repair appointment and the say, sorry we don't have the parts to fix it. 🐂💩
@dane5896 yea, on my letter it says they don't have the part, that they'd wish for our patience and will get another notice of when they are available.
In order to avoid oil dilution problem you should not buy a vehicle with direct injection engine in the first place. Just get a car with MPI and run for as many miles it can survive, and that is gonna be definitely more than these GDI and turbocharged engine cars
Use 0/5w30/40 API SP synthetic oil , use high octane fuel , change @ 5K miles.
I have a 2018 1.5t Accord that ive put 144k miles on, and I've been smelling gas in my 5k interval oil changes. Guess I should bump it to 3k miles and go to Honda for the updates.
Or get your oil tested to see if it’s a concerning amount of dilution.
@@TheLemonFactor do you have a recommended service? I've never had oil tested before.
@ixiwixi I use Blackstone Labs for my oil testing.
Just do 3.5 k miles since it's a turbo engine and you're good! ONCE the engine is fully warmed up, ONCE in a while drive it hard to red line and get all the carbon out too!
This pisses me off. I have been a Honda fan for decades as all my cars have been super reliable, even in temps as low as -45 c. I wouldn’t buy a new one even if I needed one, I’ll keep my older Hondas and not even worry about them at all, the new stuff is junk.
Wow Honda is having lots of quality issues now what happened with there excellent quality they had
Hi, my name is Tony, and I have oil dilution problems 😔
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Its not the problem, the problem is the interval for oil changes lol
If you are running E85 or anything with an ethanol content more than regular pump gasoline (91 or 93 octane) You WILL dilute your oil no matter how you slice it. This is especially true with these engines when people start modding them and are looking for a better fuel choice than regular "pump" gas. Simply change your oil more frequently and you will be just fine.
Not on this oil change I haven’t.
@@TheLemonFactor Sorry, I shouldn’t seem like I am directing this comment to you (unless it applies) this comment is for anyone with any engine type running E85. Oil dilution will happen.
@Knownworldwide 👍
Every di turbo application has oil dilution. Tier 1 fuel and proper oil changes are must. This topic especially with Honda has been exaggerated
Other cars with DI have oil dilution issues, but I hear about Hondas with it on TH-cam more than others.
Chad, if you want to see my blackstone reports, let me know
Mine is fine
Just don’t buy them it’s sad stick with 2.0 civic N/A or 2.0 and 2,5 Toyota N/A
Just take your oil cap off and smell it.
Turbo run higher pressure, new engines, have low tension rings for less friction. It allows gasoline to bypass the rings and go into the crank case it’s the EPA and government for trying to make Honda get a few Better per gallon. Stick to your 1990 Honda. It’ll get 350,000 miles easy.
this is why you dont buy the first generation of new engines or turbo setups. especially in these times where youre paying to basically be a "beta tester"
Don’t buy a Honda
Or, consider buying one before they had direct injection. I bought my '06 CR-V new and it drives like a champ with older technology, though with not as much power and fuel economy. Also, the heater doesn't have the problems of the 1.5L turbo, which is the main reason I won't buy one. To avoid fuel dilution you wouldn't need to buy ones that old, but that's just an example of one that's been taken care of and lasting many years.
Why in the hell should people go through all this bullshit over something Honda created of its not a recall for it just get rid of it and get a Toyota Camry avoid these cars cause they got people making videos trying to talk people into keeping these junk cars