Should be noted that the transmission issues are pretty much secluded to automatic transmissions. Honda makes some of the best standard transmissions on the market.
No they don't. I've driven manual trans. Hondas for decades and never had a very good one. They were all quite flawed. The last Honda I drove was 10th gen Civic and the 6M was notchy with pronounced rev hang. The two Mazdas I owned had superb manual transmissions. It was my poor experience with manual Honda transmissions that led me to buy an automatic Acura RSX which, ironically, is fabulous. I have 210,000 trouble-free miles on it. The 6M RSXs were plagued with transmission problems.
Lol so wrong not even funny firend of my drive a 96 accord auto no problem at all he drives it in the winter time in the summer time he's got a Honda Prelude 5-speed and the transmission just blew up on the prelude last year Honda Accord has 462000 km and transmission is perfectly fine it's the way you maintain the transmission
Very good point. Although I think he has strayed in previous videos on car looks in the past. NSX ushered in an era of more reliable sports cars by being a great example.
@@Pufulets I did not understand what he meant by "Honda sports cars have no soul", from what I understood for him the "soul" of the car is in the sound of the engine, which to me makes no sense, wanted to see if he would confuse an nsx with an odyssey on a track even with his eyes closed
Yeah, he's what saying here is that a "sports" car is NOT just any 2 seater type of car, but that it also has to sound like one, and therefore has to have a "real" sports car engine, too-but that IS subjective. Honda S2000 vs. ANY Ferrari is not a good comparison, as that Honda was obtainable by normal folks to buy, own, and continue to enjoy with minimal maintenance (in general). While the Ferrari is an "exotic", rich man's car which needs continual expensive maintenance (in general) to keep it on the road. It's not very practical for everyday folks to own and drive in either given the car's fragility, attention grabbing styling, dealership/maintenance access issues ($500 to $1000 oil changes!), and overall demeanor of a mid-engined car. It makes no sense to me for him to compare them together.
Believe231 yeah seriously. The s2000 is literally the definition of a sports car. Rear wheel drive, manual, 2 seater/roadster, 50/50 or near 50/50 distribution, with a high revving motor(usually some or all forged internals from the factory, reduced weight, with upgraded suspension, brakes, and wheels. He’s attempting to categorize exotic or supercar to be the only definition of a sports car, which is wrong and purely subjective and blatantly/willfully being ignorant with set definitions/categories in place.
@@Believe231 Have you heard a S2000? It doesn't sound like some simple d series Honda or hell even a Si. It's 3x the beast of any Honda its time besides the NSX
Yeah but typically civic's are run into the ground and not well maintained so the transmissions go out due to lack of care and young kids just driving off without letting it warm flooring it 5 seconds into starting it yk
It just depends. Sometimes you get lucky. My Si didn’t have the recall for the cracked block cause they used the 2.0L K motor instead of the R18. I do know all 8th gen’s have the passenger motor mount go bad very early on due to the design of it
One of the best driving car ever.. Like they're extremely fun to drive. But again he was clear it's his opinion and is entitled to have one. The S2K don't go down in price.. Easy to fix and mod.. And the Chassis is great.
Definitely.. My friend bought an 04 in 2005 had 15k on it for $25k.. sold it last year 2019. With 320,000 on it.. one soft top replacement. A Leaky fuel injector at 280k. A few 12v batteries, and one clutch at 250k. Still had all original suspension. Sold it for $4k I think.. Pretty solid machine. He took care of it . Drove it but did not beat it.
You’re severely misinformed on the sports car segment. Severely. The NSX uses a C30 or C32 V6. This is a motor that is unique to the NSX. It was a 90 degree V6 block, has true dohc heads and titanium connecting rods. A far cry from the j series sohc 60 degree V6. That’s why nothing from the motors are interchangeable. The s2000 uses a F20c or F22c this is an engine block that again is unique only to the s2000. This motor was developed from the earlier H series block and was never offered in any civic. Also how are you going to recommend a Ferrari 355 a car notorious for maintenance and reliability issues? Where the NSX will keep on trucking? Performances between these two cars are quite similar as well. There’s a reason why NSX prices are about on par as used 355 models. And you can’t tell the difference between a sports car whose development was influenced by Senna and a Minivan? So the tight steering input, sharp handling, great road manners, gets lost on you? I am starting to think you never been in this car. Or your driving skills are inversely proportional to your mechanical skills.
Hoovie had an NSX that the Wizard worked on, he was probably put off by all of hoovies awful choices and having to work on an absolutely shagged out NSX
Phil Atkins I remember, but you’d think any mechanic would know that you can’t judge an entire model brand. If the example you’re working on. Has a worn trailer arm bushings, with alignment way off. And is overall in a condition of disrepair. A Ferrari would also drive like crap if you don’t maintain at all. And it would experience drivability issues much sooner than the NSX. I remember that NSX that car was completely neglected.
Jarl Nieminen Even then Acura autos in the Legend coupes, CL Coupes, and Acura TL autos all with V6's haul butt and scream perfectly. They dont rupetty rump rump like the Mustang V8 or Camaros but I would rather hear the V6 Honda scream and get up there quicker. Hondas have much more power per liter because they flow better.
Are you honestly suggesting a person with 30 grand to buy a sports car should buy a busted old Ferrari. You’re dangerously close to having your wizard card revoked.
Are you honestly suggestin a person with 30 grand to buy a barely holding on ``sports honda``. You`re dangerously close to having your own opinion on things. Curb your self importance
klenner Taking some liberties with the assumptions, buddy. Didn’t give an opinion on what car is better than a busted old Ferrari, but it doesn’t take a car wizard to know that’s a poor decision for someone on a budget. Cool comment, though. Now, fuck off back to moms basement.
@@davidgalinat4257 I have a KIA Soul. I've gained attention in a group by making a reference to my Soul. People stop talking to one another and look at me. They're thinking spiritual as other than church most people never make that reference. It sounds very strange hearing someone say their Soul needs gas, tires, vacuuming, etcetera.
The Honda sports car may have no Soul. But if you own a Ferrari for the same time you own a Honda. You will die a broke Soul. Wizard is right. The Ferrari was BORN from the DNA of race cars! 🏎
i dont think, he meant it as quality issue and cost, there is relationship between the driver and machine, its how it makes you feel, i have to agree with the Wizard, Japanese cars had always had this feeling like an appliance stigma.
Manual transmission Honda’s may very well be the most reliable vehicles ever produced. Especially since Toyota decided to stop building manual transmission automobiles. A 89-97 manual transmission Corolla was the pinnacle of reliability.
2005 Odyssey 207k still going strong, it’s all about maintenance, if you take care of your car it will take care of you. Trans fluid change every 30 k honda fluid Oil 3-4k synthetic. Got it new in 05, only issues ac 3 rd ac compressor, but everything else has been good. Thank you
Yeah but eventually the transmission will go. Doesn’t matter how well you maintain it. I see them all the time for sale with bad transmissions between 150k-250k miles
Love you Wizard, but have to disagree on the s2000. The crazy high revving engine (especially in the ap1) and the amazingly precise transmission make for a very unique driving experience. There’s a reason they have such a following, and you see so many former owners coming back after experimenting with more powerful and/or exotic cars.
Exactly. I don't see an odyssey reving to 9k. But when you want to cruise. Its civilized. Like modern super cars. Although I hate the looks of the 199X NSX without the pop-up headlights
Here’s my take on what the wizard said. The ford raptor shares the same v6 block as the ford gt so does that not make it a sports car? Or how lotus uses supercharged Camry engines in their cars. So does that not make it a sports car because lotus uses Camry engines? See what I’m saying?
The ap1 is the only acceptable arguement against Wizard.. everything else he said was true Honda had its hay day in the 90's early 2000's as far as im concerned.
Easier to maintain S2000 then any Ferrari ever created 🤣🤦🏿♂️ love you wizard but naw I'm good on the Ferrari I reather have my two Honda's and a house
The F20C and F22C motor in the S2000 are not "hopped up" Honda Civic motors in any sense. The C30 and C32 in the NSXs are not Odyssey motors either. The S2000 has more soul than most cars on sale today and is one of the best pure sports cars ever made. Wizard is completely clueless here and its a bit surprising someone that knowledgeable about cars is preaching this nonsense.
I'm not pissed off, but I have to argue that you are objectively wrong about Honda sports car engines being ordinary engines that are simply "hopped up." The NSX engine was revolutionary. Which engine was more advanced in 1991? The C30A had an 8000 RPM redline, forged pistons, titanium rods, variable valve duration and lift... all technology never before seen outside of racing engines. The s2000 engine is an even better example. Maybe you've never looked at one closely? All aluminum, high-compression, ladder frame, roller rockers, VTEC, 9000 RPM redline... designed just for the S2000. It was the most powerful naturally aspirated engine per liter of any production engine of its time. Not only were these engines not ordinary, its hard to argue that there has ever been a more special engine put into a non-exotic production car.
I bought the S2000 when it first came out and loved that car. I now have a Ferrari 360 Spider and love it too. But to say the S2000 doesn't have soul, I can't agree with that. It was and still is a great sports car. They have also held their value.
I kind of agree with the wizard. The s2000 is fun but lacks character. It's very much an appliance compared to anything else in it's segment. I think that's the point. Compared to other cars off it's ilk, the s2000 is bland. As compared to a Camry, it's epic.
I dont really get this one. S2000 can be a really fast car, it aint no Ferrari, but it is a sporty car no noubt. Never owned one myself, but I get lapped by them at the track.
@@pirihern9329 the s2000 just doesn't sing to me. I find it's styling handsome but understated, maybe too restrained. Like an Audi with a flat eyebrow. It's like it's purpose is to start everyday and fun is an afterthought. The drive is meh unless you're on a track. While you account be racing on the street, a spirited drive is perfectly reasonable given certain conditions and I can think of other roadsters I would drive before this. I doubt they would be as reliable, but they certainly would be more entertaining. Just for me though. S2k Fanboys will hate. I respect that. My opinion applies to me.
Exactly, that's the joy of owning really any European car of that calibre. I believe Ferrucio Lamborghini put it best himself when he said "Expect the unexpected."
You absolutely don’t know Ferraris to say that. So that’s your opinion... but a clutch job on most of mid engined Ferraris is a joke in comparison to many cars. On 308, 328, 348, testarossas, mondials etc.. you don’t have to remove the engine or the gearbox to make the clutch job, if you know the car, it couldn’t take you more than 3hrs to do it.. on a 308/328, the clutch kit costs about $400 + few o rings and a bit of oil and sealant... + 4-5 hours of labour... so where are the 25k ?
Ok hondas. I had one but the toyota supras we own back in the day made us the most popular young dudes out. Gangs use to hate us alote. Still my 2 toyota supras 1 modied one was red with a dragon & the other white both Had turbo. It would've beat this guus Ferrari. I wouldve smoke him. I press my turbo button. It had turbo. Fact bo opinion. Hmm where did i see that before. Oh yeah Fast and the furios. Paul and vin diesel smoked sime rich old white guy in a Ferrari
I commute in a 2004 civic coupe, it was my wife's first car in 2005 and has 197,500 miles. Our family vehicle is a 2008 odyssey with 198,300 miles. I drain and fill the transmission fluid every 3 years and oil changes every fall/spring. Have to top off the odyssey oil after 3000 miles or so because it has the cylinder deactivation system and it burns hotter from switching, but never had a problem as it is always consistent. We don't run them rough and don't have a tow package on the odyssey so no extra stress on the transmission. Just going to keep maintaining them and let them run until the transmission finally goes or an engine.
@@scottferguson3842 .......In other news, there's a 2003 Honda Odyssey in New Jersey that just clicked over to 170,000 on the original transmission....... I'm a fu€king 🧙🏼♂️ now.
@@rudfil I'd rather walk, ride a bike, or take the bus than drive a Ferrari. Car Wizard always makes it clear we're talking about cars that the average person (99% of the world) can buy, not the 1%.
My 30 years of owning Hondas along with all my family members owning them tells a different story. If you don’t properly maintain a Honda yes you will have problems. Wizard I will stay with Honda
@@ONeal397 I get them on whole sale for 20 bucks for 3 bottles. That isn't much money in comparison to replacing a transmission. I can do it in my garage in 15 minutes.
When I hear an NSX. I hear an oddesy. When I hear a lambo. I hear an Audi Q3 When I hear a pagani. I hear a Mercedes Vito When I hear a Ferrari. I am calling tony to get the fire extinguisher for his fiat. When I hear a Bentley, rolls royce or BMW. I'm surprised its not at the mechanic. When I hear an aston martin. A james bond tune starts playing in my head for the rest of the day. When I hear a BAC mono. I hear a Ford Galaxy. When I hear a Masarati. I hear an expensive Alfa Romeo. Which is not bad tbh. When I hear a Mustang or a viper. I think of my shady friend driving a 90s black chevy van. When I hear a bias, I know it. These are all great cars. Peace out.
When I hear Ferrari, I hear Fiat with good exhaust. Or just Maserati/Alfa Romeo. But with 30% + price tag, just because of "historical racing heritage". (The Germans LOVE to do that, too)
As far as the 8th generation Accords go (2008-12), the majority of transmission issues occurred with the V6 models. The 4 cylinder models are very reliable.
You start the video by recommending and avoiding cars based on reliability. But when you get to the sports car section none of your opinions were about the reliability. Just opinions about what makes a sports car a sports car.
Mechanics dont like hondas because they dont have to fix them ... Me: I think il get a honda My mechanic: no no no you need a Ferrari! I enjoy our time together :3$$$
He didn't say BUY A FERRARI BECAUSE ITS MORE RELIABLE He said buy a ferrari, its cheaper than the NSX and its more fun [As we all know Ferrari reliability is questionable]
@@dennisthemenace8854 says only you. Tell me what has gone wrong with your 2000 dollar 300k mile 2.4 accord or crv that was sooo expensive 😂 because iv had them, my friends have had them, my family has had them and most still have those 20 yo cars in middle of the rust belt mind you. Tell me? Also tell me what "better cars" don't experience the same issue? 🤡
Hondas are never ending garbage rust will crumple like a coke can at a 5mph impact with a Merc break every other week burn oil like hell A/C never stays working and even when it is doesn’t blow cold enough
As a retired Honda tech who has worked on the auto transmissions from back in the the days in the 70s when they only had two speeds up until until recently, its always been the same thing. People just do not change the fluid at appropriate intervals and it ends up tearing up the large and small orings on the pressure plate in the clutch packs. Once this happens fluid pressure is lost and the plates slip in that respective clutch pack. Honda also added a lot of screens in the valve body over the years to keep contaminants out of the valves in the valve bodies and the contaminents from not changing the fluid over time restricted flow through these screens. If you have never opened a transmission from Honda to see what is really going on, Wizard you are not in a position to say anything about them simply because you have no clue why the transmission burnt up. Customers are very much to blame because as a Honda they expect it to keep running with no maintenance.
@@markf5314 At least he warned us it WAS just his opinion. 😉 But yeah...I'm no fan of Toyota myself, since the topic of "bland" and "boring" was brought up. Still, for my kiddo, I'm looking at cars to replace an Accord; while I prefer the Hondas (and own Honda-specific tools, and know how to work on them), I am still considering Camry or Corolla largely due to them being reliable appliances. She drives through a dangerous area to get to college (it's inner-city), and last thing I need is a breakdown...
@@-rudy- honestly Toyota's are no more reliable than any other car. They all break eventually. Think about it, you know hondas like the back of your hand. Find a 99 or other ek (i only say '99 for age). Just something d series. Then dig through the car and replace all the typical parts that go bad and preventative maintenance, main relay, dizzy, plugs, wires, timing belt, water pump, oil pump, etc. They are unkillable. Slow as hell and sound like shit but they run and run and run.
I owned a cherry s2000 for 8 years. Sold it for more than what I bought it for. I put 50k miles on it and it never failed me. Yes the s2000 is soulless compared to a Ferrari but compared to a Miata it is a fire breathing dragon. It's all relative. Love your videos wizard!
Ferrari's do make more noise, that noise being it either breaking down constantly or it catching fire because its a "HOT" car. So in that regard hes right.
My mother has been driving an 06 Honda Pilot since it was new and has no plans to get rid of it any time soon. It has never failed her, and has a lot of power. I actually met a guy once who was told me about his 07 pilot which had 380k miles on it, with no issues. I agree about the earlier models, but the 06-08 Honda Pilot seems to be a rare gem.
My 06 pilot has over 300k on it and believe it or not it still has the original engine, trans, front struts and rear shocks, it even has the original front and rear rotors!! Still within spec.. if you treat them right and use amsoil they'll run forever.
I've owned the Accord and Element with the same 2.4 liter engine that have been bulletproof other than replacing the starter and I will admit, replacing them is a PITA because you have to remove the intake manifold. Also owned older Civic's and first gen CR-V with no problems at all. However, they were all manual transmissions.
we have a 2005 honda odyssey with 210k miles.still shifiting smooth, swiched over to synthetic transmission oil and added an additional transmission cooler back in 2010 when I heard about transmission issues with hondas. only things i needed to change were brakes, recently schocks, timing belt/spark plugs at 155k. one of the most reliable vehicles to us ever
My 08 odyssey has 293k miles on it and the only issues I've had is having to replace the ac compressor and the slider door parts which I was able to do just fine. Otherwise its been just maintenance and it tows a 1 ton trailer an average of 4 times a year. I guess I got lucky. Our 13 crv that we have had since new has only ever had valves adjusted, otherwise its just been maintenance. My old 96 integra which someone wrecked into at 350k miles and was done only had a radiator replaced besides maintenance. Hondas have been good to me. On the other hand the 98 rav 4 i had, was having all kinds of shorts and electrical problems. I dumped $2500 when it was around 18 years old and still kept having electrical issues. I think sometimes maintenance goes a long way and sometimes you get lucky. My old g35 i had for almost 10 years, leaked a little bit of oil all of those years and the fuel gauge never worked but with maintenance it ran like a champ and i never had to dump money into it
The 4 and 5 speed automatic problems are coupled with V6 engines. The trans can't handle the extra torque. The 4 cylinder models don't experience nearly the same issue. The Odyssey, being the heaviest vehicle, will have the most failure.
@@fcex558 9 speeds were sourced by ZF and as long as you regularly change transmission fluid you should be fine. I got an 03 accord v6 with 360K on the original transmission.
It has nothing to do with the engine. I work for Honda and as others have said almost all the automatic transmission problems are due to a lack of proper maintenance. We recommend a trans fluid flush every 40k. We've got multiple cars with well over 200k miles and no trans problems because they do the scheduled maintenance.
I have owned a 2006 997.1 911 and currently own an 2006 S2000. They both put a smile on my face but for pure joy, I prefer the S2000! It’s just a joy to driven. The Porsche was also way too expensive to maintain. The S2000 has been bulletproof reliable. I was a bit worried about driving it on a 2000 mile trip; I shouldn’t have. It ran perfectly and was still just a blast to drive. I plan on keeping my S2000 forever. We all have our options and I certainly respect the Wizards, but for me, the S2000 offer a truly engaged and visceral driving experience, the way a sports car should.
Bought a 2011 Civic new and still have it today 09-2021 , it has never given me one mechanical problem , regular oil changes , occasional battery and nothing but Michelin tires , 50 % of the time I drive it hard and it just takes it , Great Car and I'm glad the Car Wizard agreed with me on this one !
@@karlhungus545 It's great except for a large number of door dings , my Son-n-Law needed a vehicle to get to work for 10 months and when he returned it the doors looked liked it had been abused by someone initially all on the Drivers side of the vehicle , but the rest of the paint job looks great !
@@MrSymbolic7 Man I'd be sooo mad. That's why I don't like to share my vehicles with anyone. I once let my best friend drive my car. In Duesseldorf we decited to go to a parking garage. On the 2nd floor we found a spot but the tried to park in, rolling, second gear at 12mp/h scatched my front against a yellow marker and was like "OMG I'm so sorry but I couldn't see the front on your car.. (...)" How about not going that fast then.. Luckily it was my old beat up 1997 Honda Civic Hatchback that I had to get rid of anyway because it could no longer pass MOT with the rust. But anyway I drive others peoples cars as careful as my own BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY GOOD. Your Son-in-law should respect your property and at least say "I'm sorry for that I can bring it to a bodyshop if you want." I know have a 2016 Smart forFour and I don't want anyone to drive it around because they just don't drive as careful as I want. They just trash my car and that makes me angry; take care of other people's proterty and be at least sorry if you didn't and stop looking for exuses then. ^^
So you don't have one of the paint colors where it all peeled off? I've got a 1995 Frost White Integra and it's paint, interior and running have held up perfectly. Sadly, I can't say the same for my 11 year old Honda.
Yeah I remember those transmission issues. A lot around 98-mid 2000s. I remember having Honda replacing a transmission OUTSIDE warranty at only 42k miles because they stated it was not designed to work that way. Nice of them to step up. Seemed like it was mostly V6s.
I’m a loyal Honda technician and the S2000 isn’t all that. It just isn’t . As a matter of fact, since 1998 Honda as a whole isn’t all that. They really let their quality slip. Toyota has as well. It’s just a fact that the US market is filled with poor quality Asian nameplates.
He's completely wrong about the engines in the S2000 and the NSX as well. Both of them have engines unique to them, and aren't shared with Civics or Minivans. But of course he'll then go and praise a Corvette with a glorified truck engine.
@@prevost8686 take a look at any american junk from the 90s and on, they were even cheaper made and unreliable, i would rather have a car that is quality built and reliable.
I own 2015 Honda Odyssey. It has TIMING BELT, not chain. You might want to fix the information. Also, the transmission is still having a issue such as the Transmission fluid deteriorate faster than it should; their 'fix' is to do "3 consecutive transmission fluid drain and fill". Oh, and their 'newest' generation (2018~ ) used to use HORRENDOUS ZF 9-speed transmission; it's jerking and not shifting correctly. Starting 2020 model, they finally got smart and got rid of those ZF transmissions. Also Honda has bit of VCM issue, where Honda engine disables 2~3 cylinders of the engine to improve gas mileage. But that cause some serious issues. Other than that, it's still a great van and I would choose Odyssey over Toyota Sienna because Sienna's design is so outdated; I think current Sienna model is like 10 years old.
Well my families 2012 Honda Pilot has VCM. Plus ZF has had problems with their six speeds and nine speed transmissions. The 8-speeds seem bulletproof. I do reme.ber the Wizard saying that his wife's Range Rover Evoque has that 9-speed ZF stupidity, and he says he can fix it with a software update. Those ZF 9-speeds are trash internally. Plus what should I look for on our Honda Pilot with VCM?
Wait really I thought honda used timing chains on all their engines??? The older, mid 2000s, v6 that was in the v6 accord had a belt, but I thought all Hondas after that used chains. Correct me if I'm wrong I could be spewing out my ass.
I recently sold my 03’ S2000 after owning it 4 years for more than I paid for it and never had a single issue with it. I now have a supercharged E55 AMG and of course it is much faster in a straight line but in every other way the S2000, especially running it to 9,000 rpm, was way more fun. I miss it and will get another someday.
I took your recommendation and bought a 2013 Honda Odyssey EX-L, and so far so good 4000 miles later! They had paint peeling problems on white and silver models from this model year, and because of that I was able to score mine for only $7000. Examples with clean paint and a few less miles were selling for $16k in my area at the time, and the paint work will only cost $800 max. First car in my life that I simply don't have to worry about because it gets me there without any trouble, and is very cheap to maintain. Thanks Car Wizard!
@@batvette not only are you supposed to change the timing belt but the water pump and the tensioner at the same time that is not a fun job and that is not an easy job
Yep, we had an S2000, from 37,000 miles to 102,000 miles. Just serviced it regularly and had to fit chain tensioner and 2 front brakes. manic engine and a joy to drive. I BET that a Ferrari would not have been so trouble free. You have to pull the engine to change belts every couple of years for Gods sake!!
Keep in mind this is the guy who thought it was a good idea use an Olds diesel for an engine swap. So when he says "I'm not feeling it" regard the S2000 or NSX, well...
I have an 09 acura tsx manual transmission. When I totaled my Lexus es350 I was looking for another one or a manual honda. Havent had any trouble. Those are pretty bulletproof
@@jaybizzle4208 It was one of the first cars with from honda to do that. Not the first 4 cylinder. Sportbike 4 cylinders got that catagory fam. I have extracted 201 HP from a 1000cc aka 1.0 liter N/A sportbike engine.
I thought the s2000 handled really well. Very revvy, fun little car to drive, looks good. Its not very fast but it doesn't need to be, its a roadster and I think its the best car that Honda made
TOP GEAR Jeremy Clarkson actually said "The S2000 was the greatest car ever made" He said all the equations weighed and its is the best ever overall. He received his new version Ford Gt40 thing and the next day he was going to drive it to work after a year or two waiting to get it shipped to him, AND IT BROKE DOWN IN HIS GARAGE LOL The boys laughed in his face on that episode.
The nsx and the s2000 arent comparable. The nsx, the old one, is bordering on a super car. The its best to think of the s2000 as a better faster miata. Fast as shit vs fast enough.
All the crap his insurance company made him install and the trickle charger he selected are what failed him. The trickle charger failed and caused electricle problems. The tracker failed. The security system failed. Iagain the aftermarket stuff failed.
@@barneythedog977 No, he did not say 'Greatest car ever made'. That is what he said about the LFA. Jermey has given the S2000 good reviews on Top gear. But it's ranked number 22 out of his top 100...
2019-2022 Honda Insight. Most reliable and fuel efficient car you’ll find. In 2019 I bought a brand new Touring Insight. My Title says 55 miles, I’ve put 215,000 miles on it since. Still on original brakes! Spark plugs, tires, and fluids have been the only maintenance done. I purposely neglect this car, I’m curious to see how long it can run with my terrible ownership!
OG Roshi You may end up with alcohol poisoning if you try that. I played a game of “Take a shot every time someone swears” on the movie “Superbad”. That was a messy night.
@@DaNiElLl430 Hoovie owned an NSX once. So it payed his bills. He just got used to the sound of US and Italian cars. I dont blame him. If he drove the nsx high in the revs he might judge differently
20-40k budget for a sports car, forget about the S2000 that held a world record for engine output, get a cheap ferarri so you can go to his shop to spend money, lol
Thanks for going through Honda, Wizard. My Honda ownership has included a 1988 Honda Prelude Si, 1998 Honda Prelude, 2005 Acura TSX 6 Speed w/ Nav, and my wife's current 2013 Honda Accord EX CVT. I very much agree with you on your recommendation of the 2013 and newer Accord. Ours has been very reliable, fuel efficient and even fun to drive. I think we have only had to replace the starter, which is a common issue. Otherwise, just maintenance. Where I disagree with you is on Honda products being soulless. My mom has 2012 Toyota Highlander; that is a soulless vehicle. Toyotas in general are soulless. My 1998 Prelude with the H22A VTEC motor - oh my, did that thing have some soul. My 2006 Acura TSX was wonderful. As Car and Driver said, it was like a puppy whose tail is wagging its body. Now, I get what you are saying about sports cars. In that sense, the S2K and NSX are truly the only ones who could possibly be considered. To deride Honda because these 2 cars have some relation to other Honda products is faulty logic. Are you going to say the same about the Corvette, since it is a Chevy; or the Ford GT since it is Ford? Both the S2K and NSX do not share engines or platforms with other Hondas. Have you driven an S2K?
I like both Toyota and Honda. But I got to agree that Toyota cars are pretty soulless. Hondas are so much fun. Also Soichiro Honda wanted his cars to be fun and exciting to drive. And the NSX is a dream car in my opinion.
Here’s the thing with Honda automatic transmissions: if you change the fluid every 30k miles, then they last! Most people forget about this and makes it a hard buy in the used market. My neighbor has a low mile 2003 Acura TL type s that is absolutely mint. Transmission just went out at just 80k miles!! They never changed the fluid. Just change your fluid on time and save yourself the 5 grand for a new one.
Definitely, my 06 Accord Euro (I forget what they call it in the US) shifts like brand new and I do a lot of driving in it every day. I drop the fluid up to two times a year depending on when I have time. I've found it will play up if the tires are low pressure though. I'm wondering if that's what kills them. When there's 38 psi it goes back to perfect.
We bought a Certified PreOwned 2003 Pilot and the transmission gave out.....at 256,000 miles. The transmission shop was stunned that we were able to drive it to them. Very much the anomaly than the rule We have been very diligent on upkeep and maintenance.
I had a 2001 civic that had 300k plus miles on it when I sold it and I had no issues with it. I got lucky because you are spot on about those cars. I've got a 2012 Accord sitting in my driveway right now...you are correct with the brakes. The right rear brake has given me fits! I just replaced the rear caliper hoping it doesn't give me any more issues. Other than the right rear, it's been a fabulous car.
I have owned 6 different Honda vehicles. I don't buy them to race or look cool. I bought them all to get me from point A to point B and back with zero issues. They all sound the same four cylinder, N/A V6 or turbo charged, same sound. But they have never let me down in over 20 years. Given I trade them in at or around 150k miles for a newer model. If I want excitement I go watch a action movie at the IMAX. It's way cheaper and doesn't rack up your insurance. Don't buy a Honda wanting a sport car feel, well maybe a Type-R but still it's not going to give you that V8 or V10 experience, sorry but that's a fact.
i didn't hear you distinguish between the type of transmissions--automatic or manual. As presented, it would sound like you are dismissive of both types of transmissions of those notorious models and years that you do not recommend. (I'm hazarding a guess that you are referring to automatic transmissions?) Perhaps you should clarify that issue. Regarding sport cars, if the black Ferrari (Tyler's?) is that standard by which you determine what is a sport car, then you need to reconsider recommendations for all makes of sport cars that you have reviewed and recommended in the past as well as going forward. I am unaware of any Ferrari that is particularly reliable, such as with transmissions, engines, maintenance, and so on. Do tell.
Yeah they do. And I careless if they all sound the same when I turning the car, which is true. Go inside different v6 or 4cyl hondas. They sound the same lol. Depends of which series engine ofc
NSX= ICON! But if I routinely worked on and drove high end exotics, I would probably feel the same way as the “Weeezard”. But if I had to PAY for the upkeep, back to the ICON! 😁 The NSX was the car that made the exotic manufacturers step it up. Much like Lexus bitch slapped Mercedes in 1990, and some would say still is.
From my knowledge anyway, most of the transmission issues really plagued the V6 models. And seeing as how Honda used the J3X in pretty much all (if not all) of their V6 models all mated to the same transmission, it makes sense why so many models had transmission issues. My uncle had an 03 accord V6 and had that transmission begin failing under 150k miles. My mom had a 4 cylinder 03 accord that she handed down to me (which I HAMMERED on every single day, all day) and the transmission (along with just about everything else) was perfect when it was wrecked at 206k.
Honda used 4 cyl transmissions modified to fit a 6. Most oems go to another company like AISIN, jatco, alison, etc for trans, not Honda. The did the same thing on CVs end brakes for some vehicles and they're under higher stress, so less reliable. The rev hang some have mentioned isn't a rev hang but a delay valve in the clutch to prevent dumping them at full power
I was expecting more than that, CVT VS conventional A/T and talking more about the engines : K series VS J series, I was waiting for long for Honda video but this is one is disappointing
Its was a Honda bash video through and through lol. Nothing wrong with stating ones opinion but it showed to be very one sided lol. One of the best formula one drivers put his seal of approval on the NSX, hard to say its a "souless" vehicle, but hey to each is own.
I think the video is targeted towards regular people (may not know much about cars or Honda’s) and is just giving a brief overview of what cars to buy and not to buy. Seems like you already know a lot about Hondas so you probably don’t need the wizard telling you something you already know.
Was lacking the mention of any manual vs automatic transmission for sure. Not as well thought out maybe? It was definitely more his experience though. Manuals are so good he's never seen one in his shop hahaha.
@@DaNiElLl430 Senna put his "seal of approval" on the NSX because he was paid to do so. Pure Marketing. Was the NSX good, sure. Was it great...questionable.
THE BATLORD if you drive your car without changing the timing belt a couple times in its life, it’s your own dumb fault. Every 75k you need to do timing belt idc what 4cylinder, same with the tensioner, water pump and anything else you can change while having the car opened up. The new Honda’s burn oil from the factory and I like them but don’t trust them yet
I agree with you on the sports car thing However, I would much rather have an NSX than a 348. The NSX looks better and it spits in the face of the 348 in terms of performance
Well one thing Honda in the mini van has never used a timing chain it's still has a timing belt if it has the 3.5 l which I'm sure they do could be wrong on motor size now?
No Honda V6 engines have a timing chain other than the NSX. Even the brand new 2023 Pilot V6 with dual overhead cams is timing belt driven. Pretty sure he's confused with the Toyota Sienna that switched to a timing chain back then.
when people dont know they just talk garbage and the same when they are jeaslous - Honda make the best cars in the world regarless what some haters think
My 89 Accord S is STILL running. 5 speed manual. My 1999 Acura TL (aka Accord) died last year when the timing belt snapped but I was not upset as it was always a real PoS. Somewhere in the 90's Honda lost its mojo.
Seamus W this. It’s tough to find a 98-02’ V6 Manual Accord or just pre 2010 manual accords in general that don’t need serious work. The people who bought them know what little gems they have and are gonna keep em until the car is wrecked, haha!
For the 2008-2012, I heard that brake issues were prevalent in the V6 versions, i.e. more speed, more power=more pressure on the brakes. I bought a used 2010 Accord EX 2.4l, 4cyl with 80,000 miles, automatic transmission. So far so good. No issues. I also heard that Honda is having problems with their V6 Variable Cylinder Management in all models. I would avoid them altogether.
I don't agree with the 2008-2012 accord having transmission problems. Those transmissions are bulletproof over high in Nigeria. Infact, they are the cheapest transmissions to buy here because there is no demand for them. They outlive the engines. On the other hand, we have more Toyota vehicles needing transmission replacement and rebuild over here. The major downside of the 2003-2012 accord is the constantly failing ball joints. Nothing more.
A would've mentioned the VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) oil burning issues on many of the 3.5L V6 from 2008-2013. There was millions of cars involved in that lawsuit.
I kept having an issue with the VCM in my wife's 2008 V6 Accord during highway driving and the check engine light coming up after about 5 minutes. Started happening around 190,000 miles. I solved that problem with a VCM-Controller (about a hundred bucks 3rd party) and installed in about ten minutes a couple of years ago that simply kept the six cylinders engaged. No problems after that. What was weird is that unlike the thousands of others you mentioned, never had a problem with oil burning - just the check engine light which made the vehicle idle rough until the car cooled. Did notice a little drop in highway gas mileage after the controller was installed. I mention that because I was always surprised Honda didn't offer something like that to its customer base. Thank God for TH-cam videos like this or I would be in the crazed market looking for another vehicle.
I’ve always done fluid changes at 30k drop and fill the transmission fluid never do fluid change with the machine , I sold my 03 accord with 298k miles on it to a friend and since then they have put another 150k+ with no issues.. What I’m surprised about is the car wizard not bringing up the oil consumption issue some of the cars have had.. Other then that to me the weak point of these cars is still the breaks , I have a 13 accord V6 coupe and the oem breaks still suck , I’m at 59k and still have oem pads and rotors but when I have to change them I definitely won’t go back to oem , I’m still trying to figure out what a better setup will be that won’t break the bank
I will say, driving my Grandmother's 2013 Accord, it's brakes are not super. They work, it does stop reasonably decent, but the travel is really hard to gauge. Lightly pressing barely does anything, but any more than a light press makes it feel as if you slammed the brakes instead, and it's been serviced by Honda all its life. This is how it feels, legitimately. I don't like it, it feels really inconsistent and hard to be smooth with. Oil wise, Honda uses more oil, but I've always changed oil in my cars every 3,000 miles so it doesn't matter much for me. With my Grandmother, she does dealer servicing, so it's done in the intervals Honda is recommending.
@@DkpProductionsHad a '92 accord coupe 5mt, was my favorite out of a dozen cars I've owned. Bought w 220k miles sold w 285k miles. Only had to replace a radiator.
Should be noted that the transmission issues are pretty much secluded to automatic transmissions. Honda makes some of the best standard transmissions on the market.
This.
No they don't. I've driven manual trans. Hondas for decades and never had a very good one. They were all quite flawed. The last Honda I drove was 10th gen Civic and the 6M was notchy with pronounced rev hang. The two Mazdas I owned had superb manual transmissions. It was my poor experience with manual Honda transmissions that led me to buy an automatic Acura RSX which, ironically, is fabulous. I have 210,000 trouble-free miles on it. The 6M RSXs were plagued with transmission problems.
Lol so wrong not even funny firend of my drive a 96 accord auto no problem at all he drives it in the winter time in the summer time he's got a Honda Prelude 5-speed and the transmission just blew up on the prelude last year Honda Accord has 462000 km and transmission is perfectly fine it's the way you maintain the transmission
They sure do, when they aren't losing synchros or popping out of gear.
Mainly v6s tho.
I found it strange that he recommended buying a Ferrari instead of nsx in a video that talks exclusively about reliability
Ferrari has that need to burn.
Very good point. Although I think he has strayed in previous videos on car looks in the past. NSX ushered in an era of more reliable sports cars by being a great example.
Honda never made a sport car in Wizard's opinion...
V.S.K.A lol exactly. Any Ferrari you buy will costs you way more the repair than any Honda. Especially one under 40k
@@Pufulets I did not understand what he meant by "Honda sports cars have no soul", from what I understood for him the "soul" of the car is in the sound of the engine, which to me makes no sense, wanted to see if he would confuse an nsx with an odyssey on a track even with his eyes closed
Wrong about s2000. I’m not even a Honda fan and I can recognize that it’s the epitome of a sports car.
Yeah, he's what saying here is that a "sports" car is NOT just any 2 seater type of car, but that it also has to sound like one, and therefore has to have a "real" sports car engine, too-but that IS subjective. Honda S2000 vs. ANY Ferrari is not a good comparison, as that Honda was obtainable by normal folks to buy, own, and continue to enjoy with minimal maintenance (in general). While the Ferrari is an "exotic", rich man's car which needs continual expensive maintenance (in general) to keep it on the road. It's not very practical for everyday folks to own and drive in either given the car's fragility, attention grabbing styling, dealership/maintenance access issues ($500 to $1000 oil changes!), and overall demeanor of a mid-engined car. It makes no sense to me for him to compare them together.
Believe231 yeah seriously. The s2000 is literally the definition of a sports car. Rear wheel drive, manual, 2 seater/roadster, 50/50 or near 50/50 distribution, with a high revving motor(usually some or all forged internals from the factory, reduced weight, with upgraded suspension, brakes, and wheels. He’s attempting to categorize exotic or supercar to be the only definition of a sports car, which is wrong and purely subjective and blatantly/willfully being ignorant with set definitions/categories in place.
@@Believe231 Have you heard a S2000? It doesn't sound like some simple d series Honda or hell even a Si. It's 3x the beast of any Honda its time besides the NSX
I discovered civilization? I discovered s2000*
JDM is awful
When our 2006 Honda Civic was purchased it only had 7 miles on it. I still drive it with 285,000 miles. Runs pretty good.
Yeah but typically civic's are run into the ground and not well maintained so the transmissions go out due to lack of care and young kids just driving off without letting it warm flooring it 5 seconds into starting it yk
@@scrapgamingx1942 bro my civic was running with no oil. theyll be fine
@@lv1543 great for you
My 2005 Honda CRV has 291,000 miles and I commute 32 miles each way to work 5 days a week. Best car I ever owned!
It just depends. Sometimes you get lucky. My Si didn’t have the recall for the cracked block cause they used the 2.0L K motor instead of the R18. I do know all 8th gen’s have the passenger motor mount go bad very early on due to the design of it
I don't absolutely love the S2000, but that's got to be one of the best manual transmissions made in the last several decades
One of the best driving car ever.. Like they're extremely fun to drive. But again he was clear it's his opinion and is entitled to have one.
The S2K don't go down in price.. Easy to fix and mod.. And the Chassis is great.
The Ap1 has the issue with gearbox grinding. The Ap2 is better.
@@barron204 Exactly, Ap1 buyers were asking for trouble.
Arguably the best transmission put in a car ever.
Definitely..
My friend bought an 04 in 2005 had 15k on it for $25k.. sold it last year 2019. With 320,000 on it.. one soft top replacement. A Leaky fuel injector at 280k. A few 12v batteries, and one clutch at 250k.
Still had all original suspension.
Sold it for $4k I think..
Pretty solid machine.
He took care of it . Drove it but did not beat it.
You’re severely misinformed on the sports car segment.
Severely.
The NSX uses a C30 or C32 V6. This is a motor that is unique to the NSX. It was a 90 degree V6 block, has true dohc heads and titanium connecting rods. A far cry from the j series sohc 60 degree V6. That’s why nothing from the motors are interchangeable.
The s2000 uses a F20c or F22c this is an engine block that again is unique only to the s2000. This motor was developed from the earlier H series block and was never offered in any civic.
Also how are you going to recommend a Ferrari 355 a car notorious for maintenance and reliability issues? Where the NSX will keep on trucking? Performances between these two cars are quite similar as well. There’s a reason why NSX prices are about on par as used 355 models.
And you can’t tell the difference between a sports car whose development was influenced by Senna and a Minivan? So the tight steering input, sharp handling, great road manners, gets lost on you? I am starting to think you never been in this car. Or your driving skills are inversely proportional to your mechanical skills.
Hoovie had an NSX that the Wizard worked on, he was probably put off by all of hoovies awful choices and having to work on an absolutely shagged out NSX
Phil Atkins
I remember, but you’d think any mechanic would know that you can’t judge an entire model brand. If the example you’re working on. Has a worn trailer arm bushings, with alignment way off. And is overall in a condition of disrepair.
A Ferrari would also drive like crap if you don’t maintain at all. And it would experience drivability issues much sooner than the NSX.
I remember that NSX that car was completely neglected.
He's a guy that lets branding and preconceptions rule over factual information. Too bad it occurs so frequently these days.
You can tell by his focus on automatics he has no place talking about the "feel" of a sports car.
Jarl Nieminen Even then Acura autos in the Legend coupes, CL Coupes, and Acura TL autos all with V6's haul butt and scream perfectly. They dont rupetty rump rump like the Mustang V8 or Camaros but I would rather hear the V6 Honda scream and get up there quicker. Hondas have much more power per liter because they flow better.
Are you honestly suggesting a person with 30 grand to buy a sports car should buy a busted old Ferrari. You’re dangerously close to having your wizard card revoked.
Are you honestly suggestin a person with 30 grand to buy a barely holding on ``sports honda``. You`re dangerously close to having your own opinion on things. Curb your self importance
klenner Taking some liberties with the assumptions, buddy. Didn’t give an opinion on what car is better than a busted old Ferrari, but it doesn’t take a car wizard to know that’s a poor decision for someone on a budget. Cool comment, though. Now, fuck off back to moms basement.
Good luck finding a NSX for $30k that isn't a total wreck.
fuckin get a civic si for 30k
@@mrjohnnyk Good luck driving a ferrari for more than 100 miles without issues
the S2000 and NSX are one of the best stock cars ever made for track . wtf is this dude talk about
Wizard: it has no soul
Honda Del sol: am i a joke to you
Del Sol means "Of The Sun"
@@StaticImage i am aware
"Delete Soul" - FTFY
How about a Kia Soul then?
@@davidgalinat4257 I have a KIA Soul. I've gained attention in a group by making a reference to my Soul. People stop talking to one another and look at me. They're thinking spiritual as other than church most people never make that reference. It sounds very strange hearing someone say their Soul needs gas, tires, vacuuming, etcetera.
Honda repair vs Ferrari repair? I'll take the Honda all day
The Honda sports car may have no Soul. But if you own a Ferrari for the same time you own a Honda. You will die a broke Soul.
Wizard is right. The Ferrari was BORN from the DNA of race cars! 🏎
i dont think, he meant it as quality issue and cost, there is relationship between the driver and machine, its how it makes you feel, i have to agree with the Wizard, Japanese cars had always had this feeling like an appliance stigma.
@@OMAR6575 agreed. The cars are good, but boring and uninspiring to even look at.
I respect Honda
@@jaybee2344 are we all just gonna forget how big honda is in racing.
Buy a Honda with a clutch and live happily ever after.
Manual transmission Honda’s may very well be the most reliable vehicles ever produced. Especially since Toyota decided to stop building manual transmission automobiles. A 89-97 manual transmission Corolla was the pinnacle of reliability.
Except for the new Type-R Civic where manual gearbox is total crap!
@@prevost8686 the corolla hatch and sedan are both still offered with a manual transmission to this day, so is the yaris.
that would put a $100 per hour industry in bankruptcy ....
Sadly reliable until the grinding in third gear 😔
2005 Odyssey 207k still going strong, it’s all about maintenance, if you take care of your car it will take care of you.
Trans fluid change every 30 k honda fluid
Oil 3-4k synthetic.
Got it new in 05, only issues ac 3 rd ac compressor, but everything else has been good.
Thank you
Yeah but eventually the transmission will go. Doesn’t matter how well you maintain it. I see them all the time for sale with bad transmissions between 150k-250k miles
I wonder if the Tranny still good now @@mvc2177
Love you Wizard, but have to disagree on the s2000.
The crazy high revving engine (especially in the ap1) and the amazingly precise transmission make for a very unique driving experience.
There’s a reason they have such a following, and you see so many former owners coming back after experimenting with more powerful and/or exotic cars.
Exactly. I don't see an odyssey reving to 9k. But when you want to cruise. Its civilized. Like modern super cars. Although I hate the looks of the 199X NSX without the pop-up headlights
Here’s my take on what the wizard said. The ford raptor shares the same v6 block as the ford gt so does that not make it a sports car? Or how lotus uses supercharged Camry engines in their cars. So does that not make it a sports car because lotus uses Camry engines? See what I’m saying?
for him "sportscars " have to cost billions and are still pos s, decades ago races were won by fiat 500s and minis
Tom Aiger it’s funny because the original nsx was faster than the latest Ferrari at the time of its release
The ap1 is the only acceptable arguement against Wizard.. everything else he said was true Honda had its hay day in the 90's early 2000's as far as im concerned.
Easier to maintain S2000 then any Ferrari ever created 🤣🤦🏿♂️ love you wizard but naw I'm good on the Ferrari I reather have my two Honda's and a house
Unless you're wealthy like the wizard and Hoovi
Well you RATHER have two hondas...but those with ferrari’s can afford a good english teacher to teach them to spell 😉
@@iiyapimpdaddy1791 lmao it's TH-cam man not a job interview
IIya PimpDaddy they could probably open up a school too
The new type r would probably outlast that Ferrari 10x as long😂
The F20C and F22C motor in the S2000 are not "hopped up" Honda Civic motors in any sense. The C30 and C32 in the NSXs are not Odyssey motors either. The S2000 has more soul than most cars on sale today and is one of the best pure sports cars ever made. Wizard is completely clueless here and its a bit surprising someone that knowledgeable about cars is preaching this nonsense.
This video like he said was his opinion albeit a very biased one lol. I mean Honda's typically don't pay his bills, so what's to like lol.
@@DaNiElLl430 I can't even entertain an opinion that's based on incorrect information.
@@tranc3porter determining it having soul is an opinion
No way in hell his ass ever fit inside an S2000 long enough to understand it...
@@MrCarGuy 🤣🤣🤣
And that's a fact. Not an opinion. 😂👍
I'm not pissed off, but I have to argue that you are objectively wrong about Honda sports car engines being ordinary engines that are simply "hopped up." The NSX engine was revolutionary. Which engine was more advanced in 1991? The C30A had an 8000 RPM redline, forged pistons, titanium rods, variable valve duration and lift... all technology never before seen outside of racing engines. The s2000 engine is an even better example. Maybe you've never looked at one closely? All aluminum, high-compression, ladder frame, roller rockers, VTEC, 9000 RPM redline... designed just for the S2000. It was the most powerful naturally aspirated engine per liter of any production engine of its time. Not only were these engines not ordinary, its hard to argue that there has ever been a more special engine put into a non-exotic production car.
Yeah never seen him show this level ignorance
Oh and mclaren approached honda for an engine for the F1 before they went to BMW as honda was supplying engines for the mclaren F1 team.
I bought the S2000 when it first came out and loved that car. I now have a Ferrari 360 Spider and love it too. But to say the S2000 doesn't have soul, I can't agree with that. It was and still is a great sports car. They have also held their value.
I kind of agree with the wizard. The s2000 is fun but lacks character. It's very much an appliance compared to anything else in it's segment. I think that's the point. Compared to other cars off it's ilk, the s2000 is bland. As compared to a Camry, it's epic.
Wizard is wrong about about Honda sports cars. It’s hard to find their soul when your just test driving them.
The driver is the character
I dont really get this one. S2000 can be a really fast car, it aint no Ferrari, but it is a sporty car no noubt. Never owned one myself, but I get lapped by them at the track.
@@pirihern9329 the s2000 just doesn't sing to me. I find it's styling handsome but understated, maybe too restrained. Like an Audi with a flat eyebrow. It's like it's purpose is to start everyday and fun is an afterthought. The drive is meh unless you're on a track. While you account be racing on the street, a spirited drive is perfectly reasonable given certain conditions and I can think of other roadsters I would drive before this. I doubt they would be as reliable, but they certainly would be more entertaining. Just for me though. S2k Fanboys will hate. I respect that. My opinion applies to me.
Just what I needed, a $30K Ferrari which the engine has to be dropped to replace the clutch at a cost of $25K.
I think u would be an average joe and just admire a Ferrari as it drives by just like myself.
Exactly, that's the joy of owning really any European car of that calibre. I believe Ferrucio Lamborghini put it best himself when he said "Expect the unexpected."
I hate to say it, if the wannabes don't have the💲💰💰💰💰 please keep it your dreams. Don't make it into reality or you be mighty HURT 💔.
@@loktom4068 yeah or u can get a Japanese sports car that with work can keep up, if not gap a euro car.
You absolutely don’t know Ferraris to say that. So that’s your opinion... but a clutch job on most of mid engined Ferraris is a joke in comparison to many cars. On 308, 328, 348, testarossas, mondials etc.. you don’t have to remove the engine or the gearbox to make the clutch job, if you know the car, it couldn’t take you more than 3hrs to do it.. on a 308/328, the clutch kit costs about $400 + few o rings and a bit of oil and sealant... + 4-5 hours of labour... so where are the 25k ?
FYI: most of the transmission issues in Hondas have to do with automatic+V6 engines. Get a four cylinder Honda (preferably with a manual) instead.
not true.
Ok hondas. I had one but the toyota supras we own back in the day made us the most popular young dudes out. Gangs use to hate us alote. Still my 2 toyota supras 1 modied one was red with a dragon & the other white both Had turbo. It would've beat this guus Ferrari. I wouldve smoke him. I press my turbo button. It had turbo. Fact bo opinion. Hmm where did i see that before. Oh yeah Fast and the furios. Paul and vin diesel smoked sime rich old white guy in a Ferrari
@@JohnDoe-pf3ue toyota supras with turbo are racing cars
Or a v6 with a manual
@@JohnDoe-pf3ue yeah
I commute in a 2004 civic coupe, it was my wife's first car in 2005 and has 197,500 miles. Our family vehicle is a 2008 odyssey with 198,300 miles. I drain and fill the transmission fluid every 3 years and oil changes every fall/spring. Have to top off the odyssey oil after 3000 miles or so because it has the cylinder deactivation system and it burns hotter from switching, but never had a problem as it is always consistent. We don't run them rough and don't have a tow package on the odyssey so no extra stress on the transmission. Just going to keep maintaining them and let them run until the transmission finally goes or an engine.
Lol recommends the Ferrari 348 when the NSX was the car that forced ferrari to make the 355
NSX is good if body repairs are never needed
Yeah lots of misinformation in this video
Exactly. And even though the 355 is my fav Ferrari, it still isnt as good as NSX.
Exactly
@@scottferguson3842 .......In other news, there's a 2003 Honda Odyssey in New Jersey that just clicked over to 170,000 on the original transmission....... I'm a fu€king 🧙🏼♂️ now.
“Get this Ferrari instead” ..*points at Ferrari that has been in the shop for the last 6 months*
Said "get A Ferrari ", not "this Ferrari " lol
🤣😅😂
I'd rather own a Ferrari sitting in the shop than driving a Honda any day.
@@rudfil and why’s that? So you can burn a hole in ur pocket and take the bus ?
@@rudfil I'd rather walk, ride a bike, or take the bus than drive a Ferrari. Car Wizard always makes it clear we're talking about cars that the average person (99% of the world) can buy, not the 1%.
s2000 and NSX are AWESOME!
My 30 years of owning Hondas along with all my family members owning them tells a different story. If you don’t properly maintain a Honda yes you will have problems.
Wizard I will stay with Honda
03-07 accords with the 4 cylinder engines are good. It was the v6 one's that had transmission issues. The 4 cylinder ones are bullet proof.
Worked for honda for a decade. I concur.
@Deez Nuts sounds like it but with atf fluid changes every 10k you would be okay.
@@m.a.omarkhail8294 that's a waste of money to change it every 10,000
@@ONeal397 I get them on whole sale for 20 bucks for 3 bottles. That isn't much money in comparison to replacing a transmission. I can do it in my garage in 15 minutes.
@@m.a.omarkhail8294 genuine Honda ATF? Where do you find that
When I hear an NSX. I hear an oddesy.
When I hear a lambo. I hear an Audi Q3
When I hear a pagani. I hear a Mercedes Vito
When I hear a Ferrari. I am calling tony to get the fire extinguisher for his fiat.
When I hear a Bentley, rolls royce or BMW. I'm surprised its not at the mechanic.
When I hear an aston martin. A james bond tune starts playing in my head for the rest of the day.
When I hear a BAC mono. I hear a Ford Galaxy.
When I hear a Masarati. I hear an expensive Alfa Romeo. Which is not bad tbh.
When I hear a Mustang or a viper. I think of my shady friend driving a 90s black chevy van.
When I hear a bias, I know it. These are all great cars. Peace out.
E N D L E S S M O N E Y P I T S
nailed it
Dude the NSX has never been a great sounding car get over it.
V6 engines sound like crap
When I hear Ferrari, I hear Fiat with good exhaust. Or just Maserati/Alfa Romeo. But with 30% + price tag, just because of "historical racing heritage". (The Germans LOVE to do that, too)
As far as the 8th generation Accords go (2008-12), the majority of transmission issues occurred with the V6 models. The 4 cylinder models are very reliable.
I really want an 08 accord its in my budget. So 4 cylinder? And no tranny issues?
man i was in the market for a 08-12 accord v6
If the transmission was maintained and taken care of, there shouldn't be as many problems compared to a V6 linked to an automatic.
That's a relief to hear
Yeah my mom got a 11 accord 4 cylinder with 170k km and tranny shifts perfect.
Bro said don't get these cars they are unreliable then said get a Ferrari for 40k lmao
Crack rocks
just like the top comment said: “Get this Ferrari instead” ..*points at Ferrari that has been in the shop for the last 6 months*
Right bro buggin 😂
You start the video by recommending and avoiding cars based on reliability. But when you get to the sports car section none of your opinions were about the reliability. Just opinions about what makes a sports car a sports car.
Paraphrase: avoid first model years and the 5 speed auto.
Also, every J series V6 still has a timing belt
every j series has a timing belt, period
and they're all interference engines
*-Except for the J30A1-*
J series = timing belt...I caught that gaffe also.
Better than timing chain
Dammit, my current Honda has the 5 speed, what's wrong with that transmission?
Also, the 1998-2002 Accord V6, the 4 speed is absolute dog crap.
The s2000 is one amazing car. prices goes up as time goes by.
The reason is the Fast and the Furious
As if Ferrari’s aren’t pieces of crap that require constant maintenance.
S2000 was amazing 30 years ago. Now it's a fun throwback that is too expensive to mess around with parking lots and gravel roads.
@@LarsonChristopher 30 years ago?! u mean 20 years ago?!
S2000’s are sooooo siiiick. The S200 was such a beast . Idk man . Honda’s are very fun to drive . Light weight. Like go carts .
I can already hear Scotty Kilmer screaming somewhere in Tennessee
That's why you get a Honda with a manual transmission.
Good luck finding one on the lot. Be prepared to order one and wait AND pay more than their “package” models.
@@prevost8686 fools buy brand new.
@@vadimnesen8060 Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Mechanics dont like hondas because they dont have to fix them ...
Me: I think il get a honda
My mechanic: no no no you need a Ferrari! I enjoy our time together :3$$$
🙌🏽🙌🏽
He didn't say BUY A FERRARI BECAUSE ITS MORE RELIABLE
He said buy a ferrari, its cheaper than the NSX and its more fun
[As we all know Ferrari reliability is questionable]
Hondas are never ending money pits especially the 2.4 junk
@@dennisthemenace8854 says only you. Tell me what has gone wrong with your 2000 dollar 300k mile 2.4 accord or crv that was sooo expensive 😂 because iv had them, my friends have had them, my family has had them and most still have those 20 yo cars in middle of the rust belt mind you. Tell me? Also tell me what "better cars" don't experience the same issue? 🤡
Hondas are never ending garbage rust will crumple like a coke can at a 5mph impact with a Merc break every other week burn oil like hell A/C never stays working and even when it is doesn’t blow cold enough
Got a 2011 Civic sedan almost a year and a half ago, in January 2019. Favorite car I've ever had.
As a retired Honda tech who has worked on the auto transmissions from back in the the days in the 70s when they only had two speeds up until until recently, its always been the same thing. People just do not change the fluid at appropriate intervals and it ends up tearing up the large and small orings on the pressure plate in the clutch packs. Once this happens fluid pressure is lost and the plates slip in that respective clutch pack. Honda also added a lot of screens in the valve body over the years to keep contaminants out of the valves in the valve bodies and the contaminents from not changing the fluid over time restricted flow through these screens. If you have never opened a transmission from Honda to see what is really going on, Wizard you are not in a position to say anything about them simply because you have no clue why the transmission burnt up. Customers are very much to blame because as a Honda they expect it to keep running with no maintenance.
MANUAL.. MANUAL... MANUAL...
Forget the auto
"If you're looking for a sports car in the 30-40k range, get a Ferrari."
*Laughs in Scotty Kilmer*
You forgot to say "you're stupid"
Yeah not getting the Honda hate from this guy.
I think he has a thing for ricers...
Same
@@markf5314 At least he warned us it WAS just his opinion. 😉 But yeah...I'm no fan of Toyota myself, since the topic of "bland" and "boring" was brought up. Still, for my kiddo, I'm looking at cars to replace an Accord; while I prefer the Hondas (and own Honda-specific tools, and know how to work on them), I am still considering Camry or Corolla largely due to them being reliable appliances. She drives through a dangerous area to get to college (it's inner-city), and last thing I need is a breakdown...
@@-rudy- honestly Toyota's are no more reliable than any other car. They all break eventually. Think about it, you know hondas like the back of your hand. Find a 99 or other ek (i only say '99 for age). Just something d series. Then dig through the car and replace all the typical parts that go bad and preventative maintenance, main relay, dizzy, plugs, wires, timing belt, water pump, oil pump, etc. They are unkillable. Slow as hell and sound like shit but they run and run and run.
I owned a cherry s2000 for 8 years. Sold it for more than what I bought it for. I put 50k miles on it and it never failed me. Yes the s2000 is soulless compared to a Ferrari but compared to a Miata it is a fire breathing dragon. It's all relative. Love your videos wizard!
I still daily drive a 2011 Honda Accord with the 2.4L engine. 337,000 miles with original engine and transmission. Extremely reliable car.
Same here
Ferrari's do make more noise, that noise being it either breaking down constantly or it catching fire because its a "HOT" car. So in that regard hes right.
My mother has been driving an 06 Honda Pilot since it was new and has no plans to get rid of it any time soon. It has never failed her, and has a lot of power. I actually met a guy once who was told me about his 07 pilot which had 380k miles on it, with no issues. I agree about the earlier models, but the 06-08 Honda Pilot seems to be a rare gem.
My 06 pilot has over 300k on it and believe it or not it still has the original engine, trans, front struts and rear shocks, it even has the original front and rear rotors!! Still within spec.. if you treat them right and use amsoil they'll run forever.
Do u use Amsoil transgfluid
We have a 2004 Honda Accord with a manual. Been a good one. Nearly 200k.
I've owned the Accord and Element with the same 2.4 liter engine that have been bulletproof other than replacing the starter and I will admit, replacing them is a PITA because you have to remove the intake manifold. Also owned older Civic's and first gen CR-V with no problems at all. However, they were all manual transmissions.
we have a 2005 honda odyssey with 210k miles.still shifiting smooth, swiched over to synthetic transmission oil and added an additional transmission cooler back in 2010 when I heard about transmission issues with hondas. only things i needed to change were brakes, recently schocks, timing belt/spark plugs at 155k. one of the most reliable vehicles to us ever
You got lucky.
I got a 2006 with a changed trans and a 2 year guarantee on it.
I got lucky
My 08 odyssey has 293k miles on it and the only issues I've had is having to replace the ac compressor and the slider door parts which I was able to do just fine. Otherwise its been just maintenance and it tows a 1 ton trailer an average of 4 times a year. I guess I got lucky. Our 13 crv that we have had since new has only ever had valves adjusted, otherwise its just been maintenance. My old 96 integra which someone wrecked into at 350k miles and was done only had a radiator replaced besides maintenance. Hondas have been good to me. On the other hand the 98 rav 4 i had, was having all kinds of shorts and electrical problems. I dumped $2500 when it was around 18 years old and still kept having electrical issues. I think sometimes maintenance goes a long way and sometimes you get lucky. My old g35 i had for almost 10 years, leaked a little bit of oil all of those years and the fuel gauge never worked but with maintenance it ran like a champ and i never had to dump money into it
The 4 and 5 speed automatic problems are coupled with V6 engines. The trans can't handle the extra torque. The 4 cylinder models don't experience nearly the same issue. The Odyssey, being the heaviest vehicle, will have the most failure.
@@fcex558 so the wizard is just wrong huh
@@fcex558 9 speeds were sourced by ZF and as long as you regularly change transmission fluid you should be fine. I got an 03 accord v6 with 360K on the original transmission.
@@juanrobles3381 07 V6 accord ex sedan, 252k on my original as well. I’m the original owner and do the fluid drain and fill every 60k or so.
@@fcex558 I think he also thought the odyssey shared the same engine with the nsx.
It has nothing to do with the engine. I work for Honda and as others have said almost all the automatic transmission problems are due to a lack of proper maintenance. We recommend a trans fluid flush every 40k. We've got multiple cars with well over 200k miles and no trans problems because they do the scheduled maintenance.
I have owned a 2006 997.1 911 and currently own an 2006 S2000. They both put a smile on my face but for pure joy, I prefer the S2000! It’s just a joy to driven. The Porsche was also way too expensive to maintain. The S2000 has been bulletproof reliable. I was a bit worried about driving it on a 2000 mile trip; I shouldn’t have. It ran perfectly and was still just a blast to drive. I plan on keeping my S2000 forever. We all have our options and I certainly respect the Wizards, but for me, the S2000 offer a truly engaged and visceral driving experience, the way a sports car should.
You can't go wrong buying a car made in Japan. My brother-in-law owns a 2006 S2000. He has a large car collection.
I would agree. To say an S2k is like driving a minivan is insane😂
Bought a 2011 Civic new and still have it today 09-2021 , it has never given me one mechanical problem , regular oil changes , occasional battery and nothing but Michelin tires , 50 % of the time I drive it hard and it just takes it , Great Car and I'm glad the Car Wizard agreed with me on this one !
If the paint is still good on it, you lucked out.
@@karlhungus545 It's great except for a large number of door dings , my Son-n-Law needed a vehicle to get to work for 10 months and when he returned it the doors looked liked it had been abused by someone initially all on the Drivers side of the vehicle , but the rest of the paint job looks great !
@@MrSymbolic7 Man I'd be sooo mad. That's why I don't like to share my vehicles with anyone. I once let my best friend drive my car. In Duesseldorf we decited to go to a parking garage. On the 2nd floor we found a spot but the tried to park in, rolling, second gear at 12mp/h scatched my front against a yellow marker and was like "OMG I'm so sorry but I couldn't see the front on your car.. (...)" How about not going that fast then.. Luckily it was my old beat up 1997 Honda Civic Hatchback that I had to get rid of anyway because it could no longer pass MOT with the rust.
But anyway I drive others peoples cars as careful as my own BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY GOOD. Your Son-in-law should respect your property and at least say "I'm sorry for that I can bring it to a bodyshop if you want." I know have a 2016 Smart forFour and I don't want anyone to drive it around because they just don't drive as careful as I want. They just trash my car and that makes me angry; take care of other people's proterty and be at least sorry if you didn't and stop looking for exuses then. ^^
So you don't have one of the paint colors where it all peeled off? I've got a 1995 Frost White Integra and it's paint, interior and running have held up perfectly. Sadly, I can't say the same for my 11 year old Honda.
My 8th gen 2006 cracked a block at 205 thousand miles mechanic said I need a new engine 😓
Yeah I remember those transmission issues. A lot around 98-mid 2000s.
I remember having Honda replacing a transmission OUTSIDE warranty at only 42k miles because they stated it was not designed to work that way.
Nice of them to step up.
Seemed like it was mostly V6s.
I was on board until you shat on the S2000.
People gonna be mad lol
I’m a loyal Honda technician and the S2000 isn’t all that. It just isn’t . As a matter of fact, since 1998 Honda as a whole isn’t all that. They really let their quality slip. Toyota has as well. It’s just a fact that the US market is filled with poor quality Asian nameplates.
He's completely wrong about the engines in the S2000 and the NSX as well. Both of them have engines unique to them, and aren't shared with Civics or Minivans. But of course he'll then go and praise a Corvette with a glorified truck engine.
@@prevost8686 take a look at any american junk from the 90s and on, they were even cheaper made and unreliable, i would rather have a car that is quality built and reliable.
if i remember correctly.. the s2000 has one of the best 2.0L engines around (still even today)
@@prevost8686 oh bullshit hondas are the best the crv 2010 i have runs still like new with zero problems and the civics will last forever
I own 2015 Honda Odyssey. It has TIMING BELT, not chain. You might want to fix the information. Also, the transmission is still having a issue such as the Transmission fluid deteriorate faster than it should; their 'fix' is to do "3 consecutive transmission fluid drain and fill". Oh, and their 'newest' generation (2018~ ) used to use HORRENDOUS ZF 9-speed transmission; it's jerking and not shifting correctly. Starting 2020 model, they finally got smart and got rid of those ZF transmissions. Also Honda has bit of VCM issue, where Honda engine disables 2~3 cylinders of the engine to improve gas mileage. But that cause some serious issues. Other than that, it's still a great van and I would choose Odyssey over Toyota Sienna because Sienna's design is so outdated; I think current Sienna model is like 10 years old.
Well my families 2012 Honda Pilot has VCM. Plus ZF has had problems with their six speeds and nine speed transmissions. The 8-speeds seem bulletproof. I do reme.ber the Wizard saying that his wife's Range Rover Evoque has that 9-speed ZF stupidity, and he says he can fix it with a software update. Those ZF 9-speeds are trash internally. Plus what should I look for on our Honda Pilot with VCM?
I can't believe he said they have timing chains. Honda has NEVER made a V6 with a timing chain.
Well, we all can agree that we all disagree with this one
Bruh I do
Lol!! Oh lord yes
Yeah they sure as hell did not move from belts to chains for 2012 odyssey’s wtf
Changed transmission fluid every year in my old Honda. It never failed.
Every year seems excessive
The honda odyssey always have a timing belt... All Honda v6 have a timing belt except for that fancy new nsx engine
Wait really I thought honda used timing chains on all their engines??? The older, mid 2000s, v6 that was in the v6 accord had a belt, but I thought all Hondas after that used chains.
Correct me if I'm wrong I could be spewing out my ass.
OK your correct. All the 4 cylinders have timing chains and the v6s have belts.
So if you have a k-series you have a chain so basically after 2003 for Accord and maybe after I want to say after 2006 for civic.
And, no Odyssey has anything but the 3.5 V6. Very disappointed in his lack of knowledge on this one.
my uncle had a 2008 Odyssey and it had a timing belt
I recently sold my 03’ S2000 after owning it 4 years for more than I paid for it and never had a single issue with it. I now have a supercharged E55 AMG and of course it is much faster in a straight line but in every other way the S2000, especially running it to 9,000 rpm, was way more fun. I miss it and will get another someday.
No love for the Honda Fit? My 08 Fit has been an absolute joy to own.
The Fit is a great sub-compact hatchback, but they are too small.
@@md2k8 well not everyone needs a big car, especially if you live alone in a big city.
I have a 2012 with the 5 speed. Has been dead reliable since I bought it.
Lmao what's that?
@@markcastillo1934 a tiny, but zippy and reliable hatchback that I love
I took your recommendation and bought a 2013 Honda Odyssey EX-L, and so far so good 4000 miles later! They had paint peeling problems on white and silver models from this model year, and because of that I was able to score mine for only $7000. Examples with clean paint and a few less miles were selling for $16k in my area at the time, and the paint work will only cost $800 max. First car in my life that I simply don't have to worry about because it gets me there without any trouble, and is very cheap to maintain. Thanks Car Wizard!
It has a timing belt, FYI
@@DkpProductionsyeah thats a pain but not expensive to DIY. They drive so much better than the competition its worth it
@@batvette not only are you supposed to change the timing belt but the water pump and the tensioner at the same time that is not a fun job and that is not an easy job
10:43 to be fair I'd prefer any Honda over a Ferrari in terms of ownership tho
I'd take a Ferrari on jackstands over a running Honda every day of the week.
Yep, we had an S2000, from 37,000 miles to 102,000 miles. Just serviced it regularly and had to fit chain tensioner and 2 front brakes. manic engine and a joy to drive. I BET that a Ferrari would not have been so trouble free. You have to pull the engine to change belts every couple of years for Gods sake!!
@@ledzeppelin27 to sell it and buy a Honda I assume
@@themars2011 you assume wrong, lol
@@ledzeppelin27 well if you're into hoopties I get it!
When you're stuck on the shoulder of the highway, you know you have a genuine sports car
Keep in mind this is the guy who thought it was a good idea use an Olds diesel for an engine swap. So when he says "I'm not feeling it" regard the S2000 or NSX, well...
Bro!!! S2000 and NSX are two of the BEST sports cars EVER made!
This wizard geezer is a tosser!! 😂
I have an 09 acura tsx manual transmission. When I totaled my Lexus es350 I was looking for another one or a manual honda. Havent had any trouble. Those are pretty bulletproof
That's the gearbox to get (if I could find one)
Manual transmissions don't break, automatics do
@@kclefthanded427 I drove 3 hours to get mine. It was $6200. Look on facebook for a decent price.
So that’s why the s2000 made more hp per liter then Ferrari till 2010, By a company that makes commuter vehicles, hold that L
S2k gang‼️‼️‼️
Don't forget about the teg type R (b18c1) being one of the first or first 4 cylinders to have 100 hp per litre of displacement!!!
@@jaybizzle4208 It was one of the first cars with from honda to do that. Not the first 4 cylinder. Sportbike 4 cylinders got that catagory fam. I have extracted 201 HP from a 1000cc aka 1.0 liter N/A sportbike engine.
I have a 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T Sport. It's pretty darn sporty I've run 13.9 at 101 mph. Quarter mile about a year ago at a local track. Test and tune
Horsepower per liter doesn’t mean anything if it’s still slow. It’s a great car still
I thought the s2000 handled really well. Very revvy, fun little car to drive, looks good. Its not very fast but it doesn't need to be, its a roadster and I think its the best car that Honda made
NSX best sport car
TOP GEAR Jeremy Clarkson actually said "The S2000 was the greatest car ever made"
He said all the equations weighed and its is the best ever overall.
He received his new version Ford Gt40 thing and the next day he was going to drive it to work after a year or two waiting to get it shipped to him, AND IT BROKE DOWN IN HIS GARAGE LOL
The boys laughed in his face on that episode.
The nsx and the s2000 arent comparable. The nsx, the old one, is bordering on a super car. The its best to think of the s2000 as a better faster miata. Fast as shit vs fast enough.
All the crap his insurance company made him install and the trickle charger he selected are what failed him. The trickle charger failed and caused electricle problems. The tracker failed. The security system failed. Iagain the aftermarket stuff failed.
@@barneythedog977 No, he did not say 'Greatest car ever made'. That is what he said about the LFA. Jermey has given the S2000 good reviews on Top gear. But it's ranked number 22 out of his top 100...
2019-2022 Honda Insight. Most reliable and fuel efficient car you’ll find. In 2019 I bought a brand new Touring Insight. My Title says 55 miles, I’ve put 215,000 miles on it since. Still on original brakes! Spark plugs, tires, and fluids have been the only maintenance done. I purposely neglect this car, I’m curious to see how long it can run with my terrible ownership!
Take a shot every time car wizard says... “transmission problems”
OG Roshi You may end up with alcohol poisoning if you try that. I played a game of “Take a shot every time someone swears” on the movie “Superbad”. That was a messy night.
Did that three days ago, and i just got out of coma. 200 lbs nurse said i was a naughty boy
It helps to know what your talking about before talking about it...
Funny thing is Honda fanboys are usually the clueless ones.
Wizard couldn't be more wrong on the NSX & S2000 and he wants us to spend $30k on a used Ferrari and then sell my house to maintain it??
Honda's do not pay his bills, of course he doesn't like them lol
Daniel S. Great point
@@DaNiElLl430 Hoovie owned an NSX once. So it payed his bills. He just got used to the sound of US and Italian cars. I dont blame him. If he drove the nsx high in the revs he might judge differently
@@tr33c21 Hoovie traded the nsx for the F355.....
ne2i Yea, where’s the Ferrari now 🤣🤣
We have a 2007 Honda accord with 345k miles original transmission. We drive the crap out of that car it's our run around car during the week.
20-40k budget for a sports car, forget about the S2000 that held a world record for engine output, get a cheap ferarri so you can go to his shop to spend money, lol
Held the record for a while until Ferarri had enough b.s from honda and created 458.
Still, that f20c is magic
splice247 my first thoughts exactly👍
Yeah, but it still is a pimped accord engine
@@heitorbernardes7977 no it's not accord has k24 s2000 has an f20 totally different
@@heitorbernardes7977 well in that sense Koenigsegg is a pimped corvette engine
Thanks for going through Honda, Wizard. My Honda ownership has included a 1988 Honda Prelude Si, 1998 Honda Prelude, 2005 Acura TSX 6 Speed w/ Nav, and my wife's current 2013 Honda Accord EX CVT. I very much agree with you on your recommendation of the 2013 and newer Accord. Ours has been very reliable, fuel efficient and even fun to drive. I think we have only had to replace the starter, which is a common issue. Otherwise, just maintenance.
Where I disagree with you is on Honda products being soulless. My mom has 2012 Toyota Highlander; that is a soulless vehicle. Toyotas in general are soulless. My 1998 Prelude with the H22A VTEC motor - oh my, did that thing have some soul. My 2006 Acura TSX was wonderful. As Car and Driver said, it was like a puppy whose tail is wagging its body.
Now, I get what you are saying about sports cars. In that sense, the S2K and NSX are truly the only ones who could possibly be considered. To deride Honda because these 2 cars have some relation to other Honda products is faulty logic. Are you going to say the same about the Corvette, since it is a Chevy; or the Ford GT since it is Ford? Both the S2K and NSX do not share engines or platforms with other Hondas. Have you driven an S2K?
Wizard also forgot other Honda sportscars like the S600, Beat and so on. :)
I like both Toyota and Honda. But I got to agree that Toyota cars are pretty soulless. Hondas are so much fun. Also Soichiro Honda wanted his cars to be fun and exciting to drive. And the NSX is a dream car in my opinion.
Here’s the thing with Honda automatic transmissions: if you change the fluid every 30k miles, then they last! Most people forget about this and makes it a hard buy in the used market.
My neighbor has a low mile 2003 Acura TL type s that is absolutely mint. Transmission just went out at just 80k miles!! They never changed the fluid. Just change your fluid on time and save yourself the 5 grand for a new one.
Wayne Buffin I thought that was a high price as well. They did get a brand new transmission though. Not a remanufactured one.
Not just replacing the fluid on time, but also using ONLY Honda oem transmission fluids as well as the other fluids in the car.
AcuraLvR 82 That’s a myth. The fluid just needs to be Honda approved. I do the same thing with VW’s and have never had a issue.
Definitely, my 06 Accord Euro (I forget what they call it in the US) shifts like brand new and I do a lot of driving in it every day. I drop the fluid up to two times a year depending on when I have time. I've found it will play up if the tires are low pressure though. I'm wondering if that's what kills them. When there's 38 psi it goes back to perfect.
@@skrk6 Acura TSX is the U.S.
I was looking at 08-12 accords, I just purchased my 2013 with 135k miles, i’m so happy i went with a 2013 lol
We bought a Certified PreOwned 2003 Pilot and the transmission gave out.....at 256,000 miles. The transmission shop was stunned that we were able to drive it to them. Very much the anomaly than the rule We have been very diligent on upkeep and maintenance.
You had me until you started talking bad about the NSX. They're both v6 has but the similarity. Totally different.
I'm starting to think he just doesn't fit in it or something haha
I had a 2001 civic that had 300k plus miles on it when I sold it and I had no issues with it. I got lucky because you are spot on about those cars. I've got a 2012 Accord sitting in my driveway right now...you are correct with the brakes. The right rear brake has given me fits! I just replaced the rear caliper hoping it doesn't give me any more issues. Other than the right rear, it's been a fabulous car.
I have owned 6 different Honda vehicles. I don't buy them to race or look cool. I bought them all to get me from point A to point B and back with zero issues. They all sound the same four cylinder, N/A V6 or turbo charged, same sound. But they have never let me down in over 20 years. Given I trade them in at or around 150k miles for a newer model. If I want excitement I go watch a action movie at the IMAX. It's way cheaper and doesn't rack up your insurance. Don't buy a Honda wanting a sport car feel, well maybe a Type-R but still it's not going to give you that V8 or V10 experience, sorry but that's a fact.
i didn't hear you distinguish between the type of transmissions--automatic or manual. As presented, it would sound like you are dismissive of both types of transmissions of those notorious models and years that you do not recommend. (I'm hazarding a guess that you are referring to automatic transmissions?) Perhaps you should clarify that issue.
Regarding sport cars, if the black Ferrari (Tyler's?) is that standard by which you determine what is a sport car, then you need to reconsider recommendations for all makes of sport cars that you have reviewed and recommended in the past as well as going forward.
I am unaware of any Ferrari that is particularly reliable, such as with transmissions, engines, maintenance, and so on. Do tell.
Spot on
And also the main issue was with the V6s, not much with the 4cyl autos.
Yeah, Honda’s manual transmissions are largely fine. I assume he’s referring to automatics.
I think he means automatic transmissions, but you're right, he should mention it. I know myself...the hard way. :)
Loved you wizard, but the s2000 is one of the best sports cars ever made. 2.0L 9k red line. It was the most HP per NA liter for several years
Here's one thing I'll say, regarding the nsx sounding like a Honda van... Honda makes a damn good sounding van!
Yeah they do. And I careless if they all sound the same when I turning the car, which is true. Go inside different v6 or 4cyl hondas. They sound the same lol. Depends of which series engine ofc
NSX= ICON!
But if I routinely worked on and drove high end exotics, I would probably feel the same way as the “Weeezard”. But if I had to PAY for the upkeep, back to the ICON! 😁
The NSX was the car that made the exotic manufacturers step it up. Much like Lexus bitch slapped Mercedes in 1990, and some would say still is.
Christopher Hamilton right on!
A 2016 Honda Odyssey van has timing belt not chain.. So I'm not sure where your getting your info from..
He's going to cause a few headaches when those belts snap that's for sure.
From my knowledge anyway, most of the transmission issues really plagued the V6 models. And seeing as how Honda used the J3X in pretty much all (if not all) of their V6 models all mated to the same transmission, it makes sense why so many models had transmission issues. My uncle had an 03 accord V6 and had that transmission begin failing under 150k miles. My mom had a 4 cylinder 03 accord that she handed down to me (which I HAMMERED on every single day, all day) and the transmission (along with just about everything else) was perfect when it was wrecked at 206k.
Honda used 4 cyl transmissions modified to fit a 6. Most oems go to another company like AISIN, jatco, alison, etc for trans, not Honda. The did the same thing on CVs end brakes for some vehicles and they're under higher stress, so less reliable.
The rev hang some have mentioned isn't a rev hang but a delay valve in the clutch to prevent dumping them at full power
I had a 04 accord v6 coupe
..1.st tranny 110k miles 2nd tranny around 30-40k miles third one i just donated it once it ran for tax credit
NSX has a hopped up minivan engine. Meanwhile Wizard's C4 has a hopped up truck engine
it's not a minivan engine, the only car that shares that engine is the acura legend and it's not even the same configuration
A truck engine from the 50's that is
He has a 4 cylinder ford escape with a land rover badge too.
I'm a C4 Vette owner but there's truth in that.
@@D16Y8PWRexactly! Ppl without the knowledge spreading misinfo all around these comments
My dad’s got a 2009 Civic with 210K miles. It’s been a phenomenal car with no issues at all, aside from general upkeep.
Theres a guy documenting his 06-11 civic online it's got over 600k miles with the original motor and automatic transmission.
It's about as basic as a car can get.
My 2009 Civic is about to turn 139,000 miles No Problems
@@RR-ln6vs Where?
@@JT-ng2tk look up *that_500000_mile_civic_guy* on instagram. His civic just hit 525k not 600k my bad
Transmission issues with Honda was across the board between 98-04. I have an 07 Accord with absolutely no issues.
I was expecting more than that, CVT VS conventional A/T and talking more about the engines : K series VS J series, I was waiting for long for Honda video but this is one is disappointing
Its was a Honda bash video through and through lol. Nothing wrong with stating ones opinion but it showed to be very one sided lol. One of the best formula one drivers put his seal of approval on the NSX, hard to say its a "souless" vehicle, but hey to each is own.
I think the video is targeted towards regular people (may not know much about cars or Honda’s) and is just giving a brief overview of what cars to buy and not to buy. Seems like you already know a lot about Hondas so you probably don’t need the wizard telling you something you already know.
Was lacking the mention of any manual vs automatic transmission for sure. Not as well thought out maybe? It was definitely more his experience though. Manuals are so good he's never seen one in his shop hahaha.
Laberge Manuals are also less common than autos in murica
@@DaNiElLl430 Senna put his "seal of approval" on the NSX because he was paid to do so. Pure Marketing. Was the NSX good, sure. Was it great...questionable.
Most bulletproof Honda
90’s civic with manual transmission
But watch out for corrosion..
false: you don't replace the timing belt you can kiss your car goodbye
THE BATLORD if you drive your car without changing the timing belt a couple times in its life, it’s your own dumb fault. Every 75k you need to do timing belt idc what 4cylinder, same with the tensioner, water pump and anything else you can change while having the car opened up. The new Honda’s burn oil from the factory and I like them but don’t trust them yet
THE BATLORD You can say that about literally every car
THE BATLORD then change the timing belt them
I agree with you on the sports car thing
However, I would much rather have an NSX than a 348. The NSX looks better and it spits in the face of the 348 in terms of performance
I thought it was funny he was talking about 30-40k when you are not going to touch an nsx for under 40k that is worth owning.
Well one thing Honda in the mini van has never used a timing chain it's still has a timing belt if it has the 3.5 l which I'm sure they do could be wrong on motor size now?
No Honda V6 engines have a timing chain other than the NSX. Even the brand new 2023 Pilot V6 with dual overhead cams is timing belt driven. Pretty sure he's confused with the Toyota Sienna that switched to a timing chain back then.
Gordon Murray took a huge amount of inspiration from the NSX when designing the McLaren F1, so that should say enough. I love my 1997 to death
Right on.
when people dont know they just talk garbage and the same when they are jeaslous - Honda make the best cars in the world regarless what some haters think
My 87 Accord was outstanding except for the automatic transmission.
Speaking of... Worried about transmissions? Don't be lazy and buy a manual one.
My 89 Accord S is STILL running. 5 speed manual. My 1999 Acura TL (aka Accord) died last year when the timing belt snapped but I was not upset as it was always a real PoS. Somewhere in the 90's Honda lost its mojo.
In my opinion, Hondas prior to '98 were far more reliable than those from '98 and beyond.
I think it's more, if you can find it, than laziness. I'm trying to find a manual 95-02 Corolla and it's tough
Seamus W this. It’s tough to find a 98-02’ V6 Manual Accord or just pre 2010 manual accords in general that don’t need serious work. The people who bought them know what little gems they have and are gonna keep em until the car is wrecked, haha!
i am a monopod. aka an amputee. yet i will still buy a manual. ( and fit a hand clutch) love manuals in smaller cars.
Coffee can exhaust? Don't you mean fart can exhaust?
People in Kansas literally used to put coffee cans on the end of tail pipes in the late 90s early 2000s. Wichita is a strange place.
@@ninjanerdbjjandfitness9544 not just Kansas, that used to be the "ghetto" fix for a muffler everywhere. Ahh makes me feel old remembering about it.
Davidson Mott How old are you?
you sun ofa btch not all hondas have cans >:(
For the 2008-2012, I heard that brake issues were prevalent in the V6 versions, i.e. more speed, more power=more pressure on the brakes. I bought a used 2010 Accord EX 2.4l, 4cyl with 80,000 miles, automatic transmission. So far so good. No issues. I also heard that Honda is having problems with their V6 Variable Cylinder Management in all models. I would avoid them altogether.
I guess it was all in my imagination Mclaren Honda formula 1 team during the 80's and Ayrton Senna.
Says the guy who bought himself a prelude and loved it before his daughter went on a joy ride with it
Honda Odysseys did not switch to timing chains in 2012. They have continued use of timing belts through the current model year.
I sure wish he would have edited this video, it's a very bad mistake to make when giving advice as an "Expert"
Agreed, yes they have belts and in my opinion it’s critical to get your belt switch out at 100k miles
I had to stop watching video at that point. Even honda page FAQ says its a chain still in 2024.
I don't agree with the 2008-2012 accord having transmission problems. Those transmissions are bulletproof over high in Nigeria. Infact, they are the cheapest transmissions to buy here because there is no demand for them. They outlive the engines. On the other hand, we have more Toyota vehicles needing transmission replacement and rebuild over here. The major downside of the 2003-2012 accord is the constantly failing ball joints. Nothing more.
All Honda v6 engines including the Odyssey use timing belts. Even the newest ones.
Tyler Moser that tells you how much he knows about Hondas😂
I can totally see that this guy has worked on SO MANY oddyseys in his life
I'm 90% sure he's confusing the Toyota Sienna 3.5 with the Honda. Go back to your Ferraris Wizard, Honda doesn't want you either!
A would've mentioned the VCM (Variable Cylinder Management) oil burning issues on many of the 3.5L V6 from 2008-2013. There was millions of cars involved in that lawsuit.
I kept having an issue with the VCM in my wife's 2008 V6 Accord during highway driving and the check engine light coming up after about 5 minutes. Started happening around 190,000 miles. I solved that problem with a VCM-Controller (about a hundred bucks 3rd party) and installed in about ten minutes a couple of years ago that simply kept the six cylinders engaged. No problems after that. What was weird is that unlike the thousands of others you mentioned, never had a problem with oil burning - just the check engine light which made the vehicle idle rough until the car cooled. Did notice a little drop in highway gas mileage after the controller was installed. I mention that because I was always surprised Honda didn't offer something like that to its customer base. Thank God for TH-cam videos like this or I would be in the crazed market looking for another vehicle.
were millions, genius.
I’ve always done fluid changes at 30k drop and fill the transmission fluid never do fluid change with the machine , I sold my 03 accord with 298k miles on it to a friend and since then they have put another 150k+ with no issues.. What I’m surprised about is the car wizard not bringing up the oil consumption issue some of the cars have had.. Other then that to me the weak point of these cars is still the breaks , I have a 13 accord V6 coupe and the oem breaks still suck , I’m at 59k and still have oem pads and rotors but when I have to change them I definitely won’t go back to oem , I’m still trying to figure out what a better setup will be that won’t break the bank
I will say, driving my Grandmother's 2013 Accord, it's brakes are not super. They work, it does stop reasonably decent, but the travel is really hard to gauge. Lightly pressing barely does anything, but any more than a light press makes it feel as if you slammed the brakes instead, and it's been serviced by Honda all its life. This is how it feels, legitimately. I don't like it, it feels really inconsistent and hard to be smooth with. Oil wise, Honda uses more oil, but I've always changed oil in my cars every 3,000 miles so it doesn't matter much for me. With my Grandmother, she does dealer servicing, so it's done in the intervals Honda is recommending.
you didn’t even mention the prelude, it’s such a good car, i have a 93 prelude with a 5 speed manual and it’s the best car i’ve ever owned
90's manual Hondas are unbeatable.
@@DkpProductionsHad a '92 accord coupe 5mt, was my favorite out of a dozen cars I've owned. Bought w 220k miles sold w 285k miles. Only had to replace a radiator.