I've touched on their interplay here and there in some of my weekly journal updates. But I'll have ti sit down and put together a more elaborate explanation one day. Would make for good content
I know. but its not the best to have the cord running across the ceiling. So i place it at a higher level than the canopy. And since the room is not massive that ensures i am getting at least what i am reading at the canopy seeing as Co2 is relatively heavy and sinks.
It could be different for different controllers but mine will turn on at 100 less and off at 100 more then my center with a zone of 100. But this could be specifically to just my controller. I don't have experience with other brands. So this is a really good point to bring up.
@@TriStateTrichomes I have the same controller, check again...it's called centre for a reason....the centre of 100 is 50. I did double check before posting,
@@UbiquitousRomp mine is different then yours. Possibly a different model or mine isn't functioning the same. I'll see if I can find my original instructions. But I just walked into the room and caught it a little after it turned off at 95 above my center. I took a quick photo. I'll place it on the community section of my page for you to see. Mine is a 100 swing for sure though.
@@TriStateTrichomes if I set mine to 1000 with a 100 zone, it usually over runs the 1050 and can be up in the 11's just on the over run, thats in the air before it's reached the sensor. Still re activates at 950 though.
Did you manage to read that report I tried to link to. about CO2 reduction in rough air flow. I know your not going to buy this easily, but putting it "though" the fan reduces the PPM straight away, as when the molecules have any impact, they break down. I've now got mine in front of the fan, due to this reason and no longer get the same amount of dust on the blade edges due to the moisture in the co2 making them damp. This is just from google ""Does a fan help with CO2? Presence of a small portable desk fan was found to significantly reduce the CO2 concentration. On average, we observed a 177 ppm reduction in CO2 concentration when using a fan, which is 25 ppm higher than the background CO2 measurement"" and that is just in the room, not putting the CO2 stream through the rough flow area. Just something to bear i mind Gromie.
@@TriStateTrichomes Don't have insti, And I do apologize for being so pedantic...but you only have yourself to blame for spiking my interest in the finer points of CO2...lol
I ment the back of the presure meter that shows the tank volume. The one with the pointer. Sorry for the mis understanding. It screws in am i right? I am a welder.. you would be suprised on wat places they leak. they can even leak on the knob to regulate the flow. Thank you for your uploads
@@seranne okay I understand what you mean now. I would have to check if this screws in or if it's permanently set. I know the oxygen and acetylene tanks had ones that screwed in when I was in school. Only ever saw leaks on the oxygen tanks. Which I guess makes sense with the amount of pressure. Good point though. I'll have to check now and see how its designed.
Normally utilizing a monitor that keeps the CO² levels up at a constant 1200ppm - 1600ppm but Could you do an experiment bringing the CO2 levels up to 1600ppm and documenting how long it takes for the plants to bring levels back to the normal 403ppm, utilizing all of the excess CO². How many square ft x how many plants x how many hours to utilize the extra 1200ppm of CO²..
that would be different at different stages of the plants life. i would have to perform this weekly which would be placing a lot of stress on the plants throughout the entire run. not ideal
No i would not invest the money if you are pulling the air out. BUT what you could do is place your grow or your air intake in such a way that it pulls in co2 rich air from occupants in your house or from the area around a pilot light, since both will have high CO2 levels naturally. OR if you are in a cold area and need to heat your grow. use a CO2 burner or a gas heater to produce both heat and co2. Just be safe and not burn the place down.
Nothing can stop you from using it anywhere of course. But keep in mind a tent isn't very well sealed and you tend to open them often. So you will lose all of that co2 and run through the tank rather quickly. You make be able to seal the room the tent is in though so that way it would not matter.
Depends on what PPFD i am running at that time. I will tapper co2 up as my PPFD increases. So ill start out at 800 and have it up to 1500 by the time I'm flipping into flower. But that is also with a PPFD of 1000 or more. So there is no 1 answer to this unfortunately. Just depends on your other factors.
I go 200 over my PPFD, all the way up. Haven't gone higher like our Gromie here does, which is why I'm so interested. The natural ambient is about 350 PPM here. So in week 2, from seed, I'm at 400 PPFD (600 ppm)instead of the recommended 200PPFD . and at the beginning of week 4, Im at 6-700 PPFD and 900PPM. I'll go up to an average PPDF of of about a 900-1000PPFD with a few hotspots, and run the CO2 at 1200 - 1300ppm.
yes it keeps it within a set range. mine is plus or minus 100PPM from whatever my given set point is. For example 1500 is my set. it will turn on at 1400 and turn off at 1600.
They are both the same for the most part. One has a cert that says it was tested is all. But i get mine at Allied gas. He sells the same stuff to restaurants that come in to his shop also.
Hey, so I recently just bought the same controller as you but I'm having issues wondering if you had any suggestions? My room is 430sq and my regulator is set to 10. After 6 hours it won't go past 1200 ppm (1350 target) . I have no air intake. My tank has not turned off
havent contacted the company because i set the controller up tonight (same one you have), out of the box with no calibration is reading damn near 900 ppms in the room with no supplemental a couple of hours after the lights turned on and had the door open. that doesnt make much since to me, any input would be greatly appreciated. really not trying to talk to someone on support reading a script with no experience. i know they said you can calibrate outside on a sunny day but that just doesnt sound very exact haha any input is greatly appreciated.
your indoor co2 levels are always going to be higher than outdoors. especially if you live near the grow. that could explain the increased levels. my closet setup is in my office and it stays 800 to 1100 at all times from me sitting in the office haha
@smellydan715 I try my best to get to all of the comments. But there are so many videos and between these comments and the IG messages, some slip through the cracks
Does your light on the sensor stay on? Mine does and I never noticed that before. I thought it turned off when the lights are off. I know the control panel will turn off and on and then there's the power light that always stays on (got mine covered with painting tape also😊) But that sensor light is bright as hell. I covered it with more tape but just wondering if yours stays on.
I work with tanks like this on a daily base in a hospital setting. A lot of good and correct information, nice job
My knowledge is from 4 years of welding sum 15 years back 😄
awesome my broooo!! thanks for this, im thinking about testing CO2 in the grows this year
Me also .. I purchased a tank/equip now just waiting for flower!! Never used it either ..good luck bro love your channel top notch 🗣🌲⛽️🔥💨💨✌🏼
Great video! It would be great if you could record another explaining the relation between Lighting, VPD and CO2. You rock!
I've touched on their interplay here and there in some of my weekly journal updates. But I'll have ti sit down and put together a more elaborate explanation one day. Would make for good content
You should place your sensor within the canopy for accurate levels. Thanks
I know. but its not the best to have the cord running across the ceiling. So i place it at a higher level than the canopy. And since the room is not massive that ensures i am getting at least what i am reading at the canopy seeing as Co2 is relatively heavy and sinks.
Plus one for the kmk intro
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Thank you so much, this infos are GOLD! Shout out from Brasil !
If you have 100 zone and 1600 centre...Then it's coming on at 1550 and off at 1650m. You need the 200 centre, for those activations of 1500 and 1700.
It could be different for different controllers but mine will turn on at 100 less and off at 100 more then my center with a zone of 100. But this could be specifically to just my controller. I don't have experience with other brands. So this is a really good point to bring up.
@@TriStateTrichomes I have the same controller, check again...it's called centre for a reason....the centre of 100 is 50. I did double check before posting,
as demonstrated here...Giving a 400 zone, so 200 ether side of centre
th-cam.com/video/5Hjsk5AuBmQ/w-d-xo.html
@@UbiquitousRomp mine is different then yours. Possibly a different model or mine isn't functioning the same. I'll see if I can find my original instructions. But I just walked into the room and caught it a little after it turned off at 95 above my center. I took a quick photo. I'll place it on the community section of my page for you to see. Mine is a 100 swing for sure though.
@@TriStateTrichomes if I set mine to 1000 with a 100 zone, it usually over runs the 1050 and can be up in the 11's just on the over run, thats in the air before it's reached the sensor. Still re activates at 950 though.
thank you!!
Do u ever had any trouble with CO2?? i mean... what could go wrong? Thanks, great content
No issues so far. monitor the levels in the room and you avoid extreme levels which can be bad. But you have to be really up there.
Did you manage to read that report I tried to link to. about CO2 reduction in rough air flow. I know your not going to buy this easily, but putting it "though" the fan reduces the PPM straight away, as when the molecules have any impact, they break down. I've now got mine in front of the fan, due to this reason and no longer get the same amount of dust on the blade edges due to the moisture in the co2 making them damp.
This is just from google ""Does a fan help with CO2?
Presence of a small portable desk fan was found to significantly reduce the CO2 concentration. On average, we observed a 177 ppm reduction in CO2 concentration when using a fan, which is 25 ppm higher than the background CO2 measurement"" and that is just in the room, not putting the CO2 stream through the rough flow area.
Just something to bear i mind Gromie.
I did not read it. Can you send me the link to my IG?
@@TriStateTrichomes Don't have insti,
And I do apologize for being so pedantic...but you only have yourself to blame for spiking my interest in the finer points of CO2...lol
@@UbiquitousRomp fair enough haha! Will youtube let you post the link if you add some spaces in the middle so it doesn't recognize it as a URL
Hope you're doing well brotha!
Super busy but thats a sign of things going well lol
Tell people to buy the good regulators not the Manatee you got listed
Just threw that out as a cheaper option. But for $40 that lasted me over a year. Not bad
Congratulations very nice work, I have a question please, what altitude do you keep the setting on the monitor? Thank you
i just googled the altitude for my area and used that. i honestly cant remember what it was
The meter itself also has a joint you can check for leaks.. often forgotten
Your meter might be a little different because no Co2 runs to my meter. It connects to the regulator at the power source. What meter do you use?
I ment the connection from your annalog reading on the valve itself. For now not using any co2 but like your setup.. got me interested..
@@seranne are you talking about the joint just after the flower rate gauge before it meets to the little solenoid "black box"?
I ment the back of the presure meter that shows the tank volume. The one with the pointer. Sorry for the mis understanding. It screws in am i right? I am a welder.. you would be suprised on wat places they leak. they can even leak on the knob to regulate the flow. Thank you for your uploads
@@seranne okay I understand what you mean now. I would have to check if this screws in or if it's permanently set. I know the oxygen and acetylene tanks had ones that screwed in when I was in school. Only ever saw leaks on the oxygen tanks. Which I guess makes sense with the amount of pressure. Good point though. I'll have to check now and see how its designed.
Normally utilizing a monitor that keeps the CO² levels up at a constant 1200ppm - 1600ppm but Could you do an experiment bringing the CO2 levels up to 1600ppm and documenting how long it takes for the plants to bring levels back to the normal 403ppm, utilizing all of the excess CO². How many square ft x how many plants x how many hours to utilize the extra 1200ppm of CO²..
that would be different at different stages of the plants life. i would have to perform this weekly which would be placing a lot of stress on the plants throughout the entire run. not ideal
So your room is sealed with no intake or exhaust fans at all?
that is correct
Hi, great video! How long does a tank last? Thanks
3 month in my sealed room
Shit this video just answered the question I asked on your other video, thanks brotha!
Haha glad the updated video was able to answer some questions!
In my case I have extraction working all time... Do you think worth put one of those if I am extracting air all time?
No i would not invest the money if you are pulling the air out. BUT what you could do is place your grow or your air intake in such a way that it pulls in co2 rich air from occupants in your house or from the area around a pilot light, since both will have high CO2 levels naturally. OR if you are in a cold area and need to heat your grow. use a CO2 burner or a gas heater to produce both heat and co2. Just be safe and not burn the place down.
How much does the tank go for and where can I find one?
$30 for a refill. the purchase of a tank can be close to $300 though. i would check welding supply stores or hydro stores nearby and compare prices.
I have a tent and just got a Co2 tank. Can this be used in a tent as well?
Nothing can stop you from using it anywhere of course. But keep in mind a tent isn't very well sealed and you tend to open them often. So you will lose all of that co2 and run through the tank rather quickly. You make be able to seal the room the tent is in though so that way it would not matter.
How high of ppm u keep co2 in veg
Depends on what PPFD i am running at that time. I will tapper co2 up as my PPFD increases. So ill start out at 800 and have it up to 1500 by the time I'm flipping into flower. But that is also with a PPFD of 1000 or more. So there is no 1 answer to this unfortunately. Just depends on your other factors.
I go 200 over my PPFD, all the way up. Haven't gone higher like our Gromie here does, which is why I'm so interested.
The natural ambient is about 350 PPM here. So in week 2, from seed, I'm at 400 PPFD (600 ppm)instead of the recommended 200PPFD . and at the beginning of week 4, Im at 6-700 PPFD and 900PPM. I'll go up to an average PPDF of of about a 900-1000PPFD with a few hotspots, and run the CO2 at 1200 - 1300ppm.
Not sure if I missed this info, but how big is your grow space? And how long does that tank last you running that ppm?
8x10x10. it depends on the cycle of the grow im in. roughly 3 months though.
@@TriStateTrichomes Thank you so much for the quick reply. Definitely subbing!
@Andrew-cm8rp of course man. Thank you for the sub 🙏
Can I use this controller set to 50, 000ppm? I need to a set point of 5% CO2 levels
50000 is deadly
do you keep extraction on while co2 is being pumped
never extract
@@TriStateTrichomes what about the smells inside would having a carbon filter extracting directly into the tent help
I run a carbon filter inside of the room (usually mid to end of flower) to reduce odor. @@leee2235
i have a carbon filter sitting inside the room that just adds to my air circulation i turn on around week 5@@leee2235
the controller dispenses co2 to a given point?
yes it keeps it within a set range. mine is plus or minus 100PPM from whatever my given set point is. For example 1500 is my set. it will turn on at 1400 and turn off at 1600.
What co2 is it you use welding or food
They are both the same for the most part. One has a cert that says it was tested is all. But i get mine at Allied gas. He sells the same stuff to restaurants that come in to his shop also.
Hey, so I recently just bought the same controller as you but I'm having issues wondering if you had any suggestions? My room is 430sq and my regulator is set to 10. After 6 hours it won't go past 1200 ppm (1350 target) . I have no air intake. My tank has not turned off
havent contacted the company because i set the controller up tonight (same one you have), out of the box with no calibration is reading damn near 900 ppms in the room with no supplemental a couple of hours after the lights turned on and had the door open. that doesnt make much since to me, any input would be greatly appreciated. really not trying to talk to someone on support reading a script with no experience. i know they said you can calibrate outside on a sunny day but that just doesnt sound very exact haha any input is greatly appreciated.
your indoor co2 levels are always going to be higher than outdoors. especially if you live near the grow. that could explain the increased levels. my closet setup is in my office and it stays 800 to 1100 at all times from me sitting in the office haha
@@TriStateTrichomes Damn and i was sitting here thinking this thing was messed up thanks for the reply man. thats crazy it raises it that much.
does it fit on a M21,8 x 1/4" rifling?
I'm not familiar with what you are asking unfortunately
How much did the whole co2 setup cost ya?
Tank: 300
Monitor/controller: 160
Regulator: 50
Just over $500 roughly 2 years ago.
@TriStateTrichomes thanks for replying man. It's kinda rare in my experience. 👊
@smellydan715 I try my best to get to all of the comments. But there are so many videos and between these comments and the IG messages, some slip through the cracks
What size tubing do you use on that regulator?
i believe its 1/4"
Does your light on the sensor stay on? Mine does and I never noticed that before. I thought it turned off when the lights are off. I know the control panel will turn off and on and then there's the power light that always stays on (got mine covered with painting tape also😊) But that sensor light is bright as hell. I covered it with more tape but just wondering if yours stays on.
the light on the sensor itself stays on and i also cover with painters tape so it is easily removed if needed.