Well there was a ponies with curved horns, the elderly pony who had Mistmane’s flower and Mistmane herself and Mistmane does have a wavy mane and tail. Maybe Kirins are an ancient relative of the ponies and Gusty’s design was what ponies looked like back then in pre-Equestrian history.
That’s a very interesting theory, Maddy. I mean, if you think about it, it might explain the similarities between the two species. (Oh, and I love your profile picture; is it a ferret or an ermine?) What say you, Dr. Wolf? Does this theory sound credible enough to be confirmed canon, or would it be more... to quote Greg Weisman, “canon-in-training”?
Andrew Hager Thank you for the compliment on my theory, and yes it is a ferret, my ferret to be exact. Her name is Snowflake and she’s my baby. I doubt that Dr Wolf would comment on my comment
maddy miller Anytime, hon. I just hope Dr. Wolf will be able to put your theory into consideration, video-wise. Edit: Oh, and Snowflake looks so cute!!
Andrew Hager If Dr Wolf puts my comment in one of his videos, I’mma have a heart attack cause I don’t get featured in many videos and I’ve accepted that I’d never be in a TH-camr’s video And thanks for the compliment to my ferret
Don't forget Mist Mane. She has a wavy mane too. Sweet Celestia, why does EVERYONE keep forgetting about her? Heck, keeping Mist Mane in mind, perhaps she was related to or a friend of Gusty
Mistmane probably won't be a friend of Gusty, since Grogar was the first emperor of Equestria, so it probably happened, 5000 - 6000 years ago? Or even more? Mistmane is probably around 3000+ years old?
@@user-zz1lz9zx5b I never said anything about Mistmane and Gusty being friends. I know they're both centuries apart. I was merely pointing out that Celestia and Luna aren't the only ones with ethereal manes, so she can't be ruled out. More than likely Mistmane is descended from Gusty
Now.... was Clover the Clever really a student of Starswirl, or were these events so long ago that the history became clouded and Twilight was just doing a fangirl insertion when she made that reference?
They are incompatible with the "setting" of Equestria for the tv show ( post-medieval gaslamp fantasy + no_humans_allowed ). They still could appear as "native" witches on Equestria Girls (or if you change their species).
I agree. If Gusty was around during Grogar's reign, then she is easily old enough to have potentially mentored a young Starswirl. I mean, if Starswirl was old back when Tirek invaded, and Tirek thought Grogar was a legend, then perhaps Starswirl was a young colt during the reign of Grogar.
you forgot about mistmane, her tribe have curved horns and she in particular had/has an etheric mane her tribe also is shown to have great magical power with her being a particular exemplar but still overall they do seem a bit stronger then the average unicorns
THANK YOU. Finally, someone else who remembers Mist Mane. I cannot tell you how frustrating it is when ponies with etheric manes are mentioned, by people or characters in the show and yet somehow EVERYONE only cites the princesses, yet NEVER Mist Mane
@@autumbreeze1129 she has had far fewer apearences then the princess though so its easy to understand why she slips ponies minds heck thers even an implication in her own story that sugests she prefers to be forgoten...in the last part where she restores those apple treees then walks off she doesnt ask for thanks or wait for a reward shes gone as quickly as she came, a selfless soul if ever there was one.
Mistmane... Mistmane has both a curved horn AND wavy mane and tail. Though, it's her horn isn't curved in the same way. Perhaps there were many different kinds of Unicorns, with different shaped horns.
It could be a stylistic representative on the part of storytelling. By that I mean Gusty doesn’t really look like that. It’s an exaggeration to make the story better
the way they portrayed Gusty the great actually reminded me of the Pony of shadows, it had also the curved horn and wavy mane and tail. although im not sure how much of it's form dependet on Stygian
Gusty's horn reminds me of Mistmane's, so that likely points to a regional variation. Perhaps those from that region are of mixed unicorn/kirin decent; who can say. Gusty and Grogar were mentioned in "A Flurry of Emotions" back in season seven, in a tale that implied Gusty led many unicorns against Grogar to steal his bell. However, it was from a storybook for foals, so knowing about Gusty may be as common as knowing about, say, Little Bo Peep.....
Doc its so good to see another interesting and inspiring video from you. I hope we get at least SOME actual backstory for her not just the great deeds she did.
Yeah, the idea of Celestia and Luna being the daughters of Gusty The Great sounds interesting. I'm still hoping for some mention of the royal sisters' parents this season.
One thing I am convinced of is that Gusty appears to have some sort of wind or sky element. That would explain the wavy man and the fact Gusty is seen galloping across the sky rather then flying.
"Only Celestia, Luna, and sometimes Twilight have flowing manes" Future Twilight: Understandable, I didn't come out yet, but he still said my name. Mist Mane: What about me...
gusty's g1 personality was basically like rainbow dash, being brash, brave, very action-oriented, can be a bit rude(see the episode "crunch the rockdog" to see he being rude to wind whistler(i think her g4 counterpart is windy whistles, rainbow's mom))her magic, as her name suggests is basically wind:)
Why does everyone forget taht mistmane has a wavy mane. And there's the matter of people asking about what can the bell do can it fuse creatures together or does it inhance ones magical abilities beyond their limit
Gusty the great probably doesn't have to be an alicorn to be the princesses' parent, because alicorn wings are usually earned, not inherited. In the episode where we first found out that flurryheart was a unicorn, I remember Luna saying something like, "The birth of an alicorn is something equestria has never seen" this means that luna and celestia might not have been born as alicorn, which means that Gusty can be their ancestor/parent?
The rest of the comments are right. Imperial unicorns such as Mistmane and Sable Spirit had curved horns and Mistmane had a flowing mane, making it far more likely Gusty's related to Mistmane. Also, about G1 Gusty, there wasn't a lot of characterisation for ponies in My Little Pony n' Friends but her main magic was wind-based; it let her create powerful gusts of wind, explaining the winds on Mt. Everhoof, possibly.
Has everyone forgotten about mistmane? She has moving hair and a curved horn. And she’s just a unicorn and not the only one like that if you remember her backstory in the camp story episode.
I actually thought about Mist Main. She has a curved horn, flowing main and tail, a cutie mart, and is very magically gifted. Maybe Gusty the Great was someone that was from the land that Mist Main was from?
3:41 I was gonna type that but you beat me to it lol. She does look like she could be a hybrid and it would be really cool story building. 4:44 and if they were her daughter: that might help explain a bit of why Starswirl is interested in them and how they could be so powerful. Also if Gusty were part Kirin and therefore Celestia and Luna... that would explain why the leader of the Kirin's looks like Celestia.... and why she's so big (well it could be that she's an alicorn who is at the very least, a thousand years old, but let's just play with the thought for a little bit). Perhaps they and the Kirin Queen (I forgot her name...) are related? It'd be an interesting point at least. What do you think?
For information here is the story reproduced exactly as it appears on the ponies' backcards, Way up in the trees, the leaves had put on their autumn coats and Gusty was thrilled. "I love fall colors - orange, red and yellow!" Dancing happily. Gusty whirled through the colorful treetops. Suddenly a wild wind whistled through the sky and the leaves were yanked from their trees. They fluttered down and lay lifeless on the ground. "Back up there! Go back up!" Taking a deep breath, Gusty puckered her lips and blew on the leaves. At Gusty's magical command, the leaves happily swirled around and returned to their home. With a name like that and huge magic potential, I would be shocked if her maine didn't flow like Mist-Manes! As for Luna and Celestia's background? We all know that *Fausticorn* , as the first true alicorn, created them. And they better not mess with that head cannon or I'll harrumph like no ones business!
Imagine if it had been or if she shows up in g5 and then revealed that she was actually both the g1 original Gusty and Celestia/Luna's mother... (also turning out to be Majesty' daughter)...?
I like the idea of a direct lineage to the sisters, ancestor or parent. You voiced my thoughts about Cozy Gliw when she first appeared outside the CMC treehouse. That cane to furition. If Gusty makes an appearence, it would be awesome if they could get Nancy Cartwright to voice her. Something else not totally related, I find it interesting Harminy has chosen the firm of Twilight as an avatar.
With the curved horn and flowing mane I think the image they showed of Gusty looks a lot like Mistmane. Quite a while ago I made a Top 10 list of characters from G1 MLP that I wanted to see in G4, and Grogar and Gusty were at the top of the list. I was so thrilled when they introduced Grogar and worked Gusty into his backstory!
I believe Gusty from mlp G1 is the same one as the leyend Grogar is telling in G4. I’m guessing Gusty evolved as she got more powerful just like when Twilight got her wings, Gusty’s form could’ve changed. Also, in every legend storytelling the illustrations are exact as in real life. That’s why I believe it to be true…
Well if you want to compare gen one ponies and gen 4 ponies, start with good ole Apple Jack, and Spike.....Also if you ever watched Tiny Toons, the voice for Buster Bunny and Gen 1 Spike are same.
I'd love to see Gusty the Great somehow make a real appearance in the show... I mean, they managed to ressurect Starswirl the Bearded, even though he lived a thousand years ago. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to see Gusty through some time-travel, a magical projection or even a flashback potion (like in season 4 opening). Her being Celestia and Luna's ancestor would've been a SUPER cool plot twist.
(Looks like many others have already pointed out Mist Mane.) Maybe Sombra is actually Gusty's Descendant, hence the reason for his powers? Without an actual show-canon backstory, we don't know if he's always looked like that, with the curved horn and wavy mane/tail...
I've seen a bunch of other comments about Mistmane and her village. That's got me wondering, how relatively close is Mistmane's old village from the Kiren? Even if it is some distance away then there could still be some distant relative blood handed down and we know Mistmane herself gave up a fair bit of her power to restore her village. If Gusty is not related to the Royal Sisters, then she's probably some relation to Mistmane, unless Gusty could be related to both? If anyone would know, it would be Starswirl the bearded (now there's an idea for a Dr Wolf therapy session. Discussing how things have changed and for both the Dr and the Wizard) But no matter what the truth turns out to be, one thing we can say for sure is that Gusty clearly had a very high power level of magic to cast those spells to help her steal Grogar's bell and kept him at bay. Near Alicorn level at least. Which reminds me of another near alicorn level unicorn. Starlight Glimmer. I'm not suggesting that Starlight could be a descendant, only that a normal unicorn can active immense power levels without any magic assistance. If you were to amplify someone of Starlight's power with, for example, the Alicorn Amulet (whose origins, as far as i know, are unknown). Then It would be perfectly possible for Gusty to have performed such great magic and become an ancestor of Mistmane and/or the princesses. Although that would not explain why the Princesses horns are not curved, unlike Mistmane and the rest of her village.
She could be an "eastern" style unicorn like Mistmane; she had both the flowing, ethereal mane and a curved horn similar to what we see in the image of Gusty the Great in Grogar's tale about how she took his bell.
I'm along with the theory that Gusty is part unicorn and part kirin; on how she was so powerful her father might of been a talented Unicron and her mother a very talented Kirin.
But... What if Gusty was neither an ancestor or the mother of the Royal Sisters? Suppose for some reason she left Equestria and never returned. Making Grogar unaware that Gusty had a foreign descendant, one of his/her only kind, that was sent to Equestria to divert an ever-threatening war of 400 years by finishing what she started. But then, in a turn of fateful events, most of the older characters (the Royal Sisters, Discord, Pillars, and even Grogar) feel his/her presence upon reveal. My idea for this character is that: he/she is a master shapeshifter, can use the Staff of Saconas and turn it into it's true form: the Axecalibur, has a tragic backstory concerning his past and says what really happened to Gusty, and (I know it's cliched but, even I had originally had this idea before) Twilight starts to develop feeling she has never had before (maybe except for Flash Sentry, but you get the idea). Ideal voice acting roll: If it's a he: Taron Egerton. If it's a she: I'd guess Lady Gaga (because of the 2018 A Star Is Born movie). My guess is as good as yours, because I don't know what the writers are going to pull off with Gusty here either.
A lot of 'ancient heroes' in Equestria, aren't there? We had The Pillars, Scorpan, Clover the Clever, and now we have Gusty. Hope they make an actual appearance in the show before it ends!
I know I'm very late to the comments, but I was surprised by an omission in your video (and no mention of it in the comments that I found.) We do have another reference to Gusty the Great in G4. In the episode "A Flurry of Emotions" the storybook Twilight borrows from Cherilee to read to the sick foals is the legend of Gusty the Great. In it, she reads about Gusty leading her unicorn warriors to try and reach Cloudsdale on-hoof. On the way they encounter Geogar and combine their magic as one to attack him. (Sadly, that's all we get before Flurry Heart's meltdown interrupts.) It makes me curious if Gusty was taking her warriors to attack Cloudsdale or to aid it, as it seems to be before Equestria's founding. I also wonder if that was the battle where Gusty stole the Bewitching Bell. Perhaps if I ever get through my current backlog of story ideas I'll see what I can do with it in a story.
Also after watching flurry of emotions it occurred to me that gusty could have been the ancestor of flurry or perhaps cadence as they all have the same color of magic
I came up with a rather dark theory that Chrysalis is Gusty; after defeating Grogar she was cursed by him to become Chrysalis, so she imprisoned herself in the tree that Starswirl found in IDW. Also would explain why her magic could be used to open the barrier around the bell.
If Gusty is Starlight's mother or Starlight is from Gusty's descent that is impossible but there is no impossible in MLP because: Flash Magnus = Flash Sentry. Nimbus Dash = Rainbow Dash.
I can’t help remembering G1 Gusty, who was a Unicorn ... she was voiced by the same lady who voice Bart Simpson?! *Mind blown* 😮😮😮 But in regards to Celestia and Luna ... anyone else remember the two-part episode Flurry Heart was born? This line of dialogue was spoken by Celestia; “The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!” “Something that *Equestria* has never seen“, so I still believe Celestia and Luna to be “true Alicorns” but Flurry Heart is the first to actually be *born* in Equestria! Thank you for sharing your thoughts like always Dr Wolf 💙=^_^=💙
Well, Celestia and Luna aren't the only ponies to have flowing manes, and there is a pony who also has a curved horn. Mistmane, one of the pillars of Equestria. In the season 7 episode "Campfire Tales", when we're shown Mistmane's homeland, we see that every single unicorn there (even though everyone there is a unicorn) has a curved horn, but Mistmane's mane is the only one that moves on its own. Not even her family's manes flow naturally. So it leads me to believe that Gusty and Mistmane have some kind of connection.
THE MOTHER OF CELESTIA AND LUNA!!!!! Ehhh? Ehhhhhhhhh? Anyone? any takers? I mean in the flashbacks shown by Grogar she is a unicorn not an Alicorn and in the season 6 premiere Luna and Celestia were confirmed for not being born Alicorns so.... maybe?
I never saw G1 MLP either, but I learned that there were some names I found very familiar in the voice cast. e.g. Rob Paulsen, Charlie Adler, Scott Menville, Russi Taylor, and Frank Welker and ,of course, Nancy Cartwright. Interesting!
To be direct. I believe it would be best to keep customers happy with the product they purchased. So keeping the original Gusty would be more appropriate an get others to get a new version is sold. So they have both versions.
gusty Starsworals sister? A descendant of Daring DO? she never could best Grogar, his words. his current power is a fraction of what it was, Gusty fought him to a draw how powerful does that make her when he was at his full potential. to me, it rivals Discord or Celestia and Luna, or Twilight when she Fought Tirek. my thoughts, place a silence spell around him to neutralize all his bells.
I see lots of people saying Mistmane Mistmane over and over, but if you take a closer look, you'll see what he's trying to say. Gusty's horn starts of curving back, like Mistmane or Sombra, but curves slightly forward at the tip. This more resembles kirin's and not any unicorn horn we've seen. It curves TWICE. The waving mane I have no rebuttal for.
i watched the old mlp the one i watched is that the bell is not sealed in a mountain but turned into powder when i dont know the name of the pegasus but she kicked the tower bell and the bell on her nick turned powder
I think that Gusty the Great along with Clover the Clever were students of Starswirl the Bearded back when the ponies were still divided into three tribes. When they arrived in the land that would be Equestria, they soon encountered the ruler of it, Grogar who was more than happy to let them stay so his monsters could fill them with fear to feed on, till Gusty stole his bell.
i wonder to mention this but there is yet another alicorn and it is in the IDW comics. Her name is queen Parabola. This got me thinking about what time period she was apart of the only thing we have to go off of is she existed before the founding to equestria! So i assume she was an alicorn with a kingdom of their own dealing the grogar and his monsters! o.o I thought she might have been a zebra queen but sadly she might be just another pony it would be amazing to have a zebra alicorn since zebras have glyph marks and are the closest things we have to pony kind including donkies in the universe.
I wish they would show more Gusty the Great. It would make a fantastic folklore. I do like your Theory that she could have been mother or grandmother to the royal sisters, Celestia and Luna.
What if Gusty's appearance in the images we see are not correct? What if Gusty the Great happened to be an ancestor of Twilight herself, and that's why Grogar is so set on destroying Twilight and her friends, because Gusty was the however many greats grandmother to Twilight Sparkle herself? It may not explain the curved horn, but it may be why Grogar is set on getting rid of Twilight rather than Celestia and Luna first.
Compromise. Gusty is half kirin because Kirin don't have cutie marks. Also Mistmane has a flowing mane. I assumed flowing manes are a sign of incredible magical ability/something... but Starswirl doesn't have it.
Her horn on the cover of the book in Flurry of Emotions is straight but notched and also quite long. I believe she's a full-blooded unicorn but thousands of years ago unicorn horns looked very different. I mean, Mistmane's horn is longer and more curved than gusty's. Is it possible the unicorn horns as we know them are a bred trait?
I feel like all of this happened so long ago, she couldn't have been the mother of Celestia and Luna. Even if there is relation, I just feel as if it'd be a long line of ancestors. I'm thinking more she's the metaphorical "Mother of Heroism", as Grogar is called the "Father of Monsters". A legendary hero from a time long ago. As for the aestetics, her flowing mane and tail could just be this worlds equivilant to a flowing cape, signifying greatness. That they're someone special. "Wind blows on greatness". The horn may also just be part of the artistic interpretation, making her more distinct.
Doctor Wolf, you make good points but you forgot about Mistmane the pillar of harmony who is connected to Raritys element of generosity. Her mane and tail billow & flow like the two sisters. Perhaps it was her ancestor who sealed Grogars power. She has a curved horn & slightly curved ears as well.
She's probably dead from old age, being not an alicorn and all. And you can only pull time shenanigans for so many characters before it stretches belief.
4:17 Did you forget Mistmane (or however you spell it)? She has a curved horn, and a wavey mane and tail. It's possible that Gusty was from her generation, or maybe a little before.
Eastern unicorns. Curved horns and flowy mane like the element of beauty.
I thought Gusty is from the same city as Mistmane too.
@@schwarzerritter5724 I think the same with sombra
Well there was a ponies with curved horns, the elderly pony who had Mistmane’s flower and Mistmane herself and Mistmane does have a wavy mane and tail. Maybe Kirins are an ancient relative of the ponies and Gusty’s design was what ponies looked like back then in pre-Equestrian history.
That’s a very interesting theory, Maddy. I mean, if you think about it, it might explain the similarities between the two species. (Oh, and I love your profile picture; is it a ferret or an ermine?)
What say you, Dr. Wolf? Does this theory sound credible enough to be confirmed canon, or would it be more... to quote Greg Weisman, “canon-in-training”?
Andrew Hager
Thank you for the compliment on my theory, and yes it is a ferret, my ferret to be exact. Her name is Snowflake and she’s my baby. I doubt that Dr Wolf would comment on my comment
maddy miller Anytime, hon. I just hope Dr. Wolf will be able to put your theory into consideration, video-wise.
Edit: Oh, and Snowflake looks so cute!!
Andrew Hager
If Dr Wolf puts my comment in one of his videos, I’mma have a heart attack cause I don’t get featured in many videos and I’ve accepted that I’d never be in a TH-camr’s video
And thanks for the compliment to my ferret
When rarity told the story about mistmane all the background ponies had curved hons
Don't forget Mist Mane. She has a wavy mane too.
Sweet Celestia, why does EVERYONE keep forgetting about her? Heck, keeping Mist Mane in mind, perhaps she was related to or a friend of Gusty
Not to mention a curved horn.
I agree that it was quite obvious that Gusty was from the same part of the world as Mistmane
Somber does as well
Sombra*
Mistmane probably won't be a friend of Gusty, since Grogar was the first emperor of Equestria, so it probably happened, 5000 - 6000 years ago? Or even more? Mistmane is probably around 3000+ years old?
@@user-zz1lz9zx5b I never said anything about Mistmane and Gusty being friends. I know they're both centuries apart.
I was merely pointing out that Celestia and Luna aren't the only ones with ethereal manes, so she can't be ruled out.
More than likely Mistmane is descended from Gusty
Gusty might be a eastern unicorn for that curved horn
True but we still don't know if she's really that powerful to defeat Grogar and if she's still alive or not somewhere.
Know any other unicorns with curved horn and wavy hair? Actually, I know two. Mistmane and King Sombra.
Maybe Gusty was either an ancestor or actually WAS Sombra.
I thought Sombra too.
@@NoArtisticLimitation although since Gusty is referred to as a "she", relative is more likely (maybe a secret sister to Sombra?)
Maybe but in the IDW comic there is never told Sombra is Gusty's ancestor.
Flash Magnus idw comics aren’t canon tho
You forgot Mistmane. Flowing mane & curved horn. But still a standard Eastern Region Unicorn.
What if it's her who did it?
*gasp* I didn't think about that.
Same with King Sombra: flow-y mane/tail, curved horn.
I hate that mistmane is always forgotten
What if Gusty is a Unicorn like Mist Mane? Mist Mane's horn is curved and has a wavey mane and tail.
i know i was thinking he was going to say so but i think he forgot about her and the eastern unicorns
**Coughs** **Coughs**
*Mistmane has wavy flowing hair a curve sharped horn and she kinda has a curvy ear*
We need one more piece to this.
Queue Clover the Clever.....
And Mist Mane also had a flowing mane and tail as well.
Mist mane also had a curved horn as well.
Now.... was Clover the Clever really a student of Starswirl, or were these events so long ago that the history became clouded and Twilight was just doing a fangirl insertion when she made that reference?
Clover the Clever was a stallion
That's unclear.
Speaking of g4 villains, kinda surprised Hydia and her daughters haven't made an appearance in any shape of form. They were a big part of g1.
They are incompatible with the "setting" of Equestria for the tv show ( post-medieval gaslamp fantasy + no_humans_allowed ).
They still could appear as "native" witches on Equestria Girls (or if you change their species).
@@adolfodef Either make them a different species, or have them as ancient humans banished to equestria. Seems about right.
In my theory Gusty was Starswirl's teacher.
No way sadly. Tirec only remembered legends from his mother about Grogar and he was adoult near time when pilars vanished so...
I agree. If Gusty was around during Grogar's reign, then she is easily old enough to have potentially mentored a young Starswirl. I mean, if Starswirl was old back when Tirek invaded, and Tirek thought Grogar was a legend, then perhaps Starswirl was a young colt during the reign of Grogar.
you forgot about mistmane, her tribe have curved horns and she in particular had/has an etheric mane her tribe also is shown to have great magical power with her being a particular exemplar but still overall they do seem a bit stronger then the average unicorns
THANK YOU.
Finally, someone else who remembers Mist Mane. I cannot tell you how frustrating it is when ponies with etheric manes are mentioned, by people or characters in the show and yet somehow EVERYONE only cites the princesses, yet NEVER Mist Mane
@@autumbreeze1129 she has had far fewer apearences then the princess though so its easy to understand why she slips ponies minds heck thers even an implication in her own story that sugests she prefers to be forgoten...in the last part where she restores those apple treees then walks off she doesnt ask for thanks or wait for a reward shes gone as quickly as she came, a selfless soul if ever there was one.
She similar to Mistmane one of the pillars, she has the wavey mane and tail too. She might be a unicorn from Mistmane's unicorn race!
Plus, to me, her cutie mark seems to give off the vibe Mist Mane's village gave (if that makes sense)
Mistmane... Mistmane has both a curved horn AND wavy mane and tail. Though, it's her horn isn't curved in the same way. Perhaps there were many different kinds of Unicorns, with different shaped horns.
It could be a stylistic representative on the part of storytelling.
By that I mean Gusty doesn’t really look like that. It’s an exaggeration to make the story better
You forgot about Sombra and his curved horn and flowing Mane tail combo
Mistmane also has moving mane and a curve horn
1:02 "That would be a tall order"
You rang? lol
XD
One of the pillars has a curve horn and wave hair
the way they portrayed Gusty the great actually reminded me of the Pony of shadows, it had also the curved horn and wavy mane and tail. although im not sure how much of it's form dependet on Stygian
Of course it’s Bart Simpson, don’t have a cow man.
:D
Uh Doctor wolf you forgot there's Mist mane who has a curved horn and wavy mane and tail
What about Mistmane? She's a regular old unicorn with a curved horn and wavy hair.
Gusty's horn reminds me of Mistmane's, so that likely points to a regional variation. Perhaps those from that region are of mixed unicorn/kirin decent; who can say.
Gusty and Grogar were mentioned in "A Flurry of Emotions" back in season seven, in a tale that implied Gusty led many unicorns against Grogar to steal his bell. However, it was from a storybook for foals, so knowing about Gusty may be as common as knowing about, say, Little Bo Peep.....
Yea Nancy Cartwright's been voicing characters way before Bart, you should look up the characters she's voiced if you already haven't.
Mistmane has a flowy mane and curved horn too
Doc its so good to see another interesting and inspiring video from you.
I hope we get at least SOME actual backstory for her not just the great deeds she did.
Yeah, the idea of Celestia and Luna being the daughters of Gusty The Great sounds interesting. I'm still hoping for some mention of the royal sisters' parents this season.
There isn't any mention of them in the series
Or a different twist, Gusty is an ancestor of Cozy Glow.
Dun Dun DUN! XD
And mistmane
One thing I am convinced of is that Gusty appears to have some sort of wind or sky element. That would explain the wavy man and the fact Gusty is seen galloping across the sky rather then flying.
oh crap Gusty's a Windwalker
Well, her name pretty much gives it away doesn't it?
Well yes. Gusty can shoot wind out of her horn.
On wavy mane and tail you’d forgotten about mist mane
And Stygian's horn is a little curved too. And since Star Swirl is so powerful too, why doesn't his mane and tail have the waviness too?
@@artemisia3138 Twilight and Star Swirl are around the same amount in power as said by the Pony of Shadows. So..
"Only Celestia, Luna, and sometimes Twilight have flowing manes"
Future Twilight: Understandable, I didn't come out yet, but he still said my name.
Mist Mane: What about me...
gusty's g1 personality was basically like rainbow dash, being brash, brave, very action-oriented, can be a bit rude(see the episode "crunch the rockdog" to see he being rude to wind whistler(i think her g4 counterpart is windy whistles, rainbow's mom))her magic, as her name suggests is basically wind:)
Why does everyone forget taht mistmane has a wavy mane.
And there's the matter of people asking about what can the bell do
can it fuse creatures together or does it inhance ones magical abilities beyond their limit
I think shes possibly the mother or mentor to Mistmane
Or
Shes an ancient breed of unicorns
Perhaps we might finally see Scorpan
Gusty the great probably doesn't have to be an alicorn to be the princesses' parent, because alicorn wings are usually earned, not inherited. In the episode where we first found out that flurryheart was a unicorn, I remember Luna saying something like, "The birth of an alicorn is something equestria has never seen" this means that luna and celestia might not have been born as alicorn, which means that Gusty can be their ancestor/parent?
The rest of the comments are right. Imperial unicorns such as Mistmane and Sable Spirit had curved horns and Mistmane had a flowing mane, making it far more likely Gusty's related to Mistmane.
Also, about G1 Gusty, there wasn't a lot of characterisation for ponies in My Little Pony n' Friends but her main magic was wind-based; it let her create powerful gusts of wind, explaining the winds on Mt. Everhoof, possibly.
i have to do it.
"Damn faithless Imperials!" Random Stormcloak PONY. XD
Spoken like a true FiM idiot. Anyone who says shit like that has never bothered to watch the series.
Grogar: *”I will create an indomitable army of monsters, and I will use them to conquer earth and be its supreme ruler.”*
Gusty: “Eat my shorts.”
Has everyone forgotten about mistmane? She has moving hair and a curved horn. And she’s just a unicorn and not the only one like that if you remember her backstory in the camp story episode.
A mix breed maybe?
(Edit) ohhh you mention that
What if gusty is a Umbrum that was cast out by the other umbrum because she had light magic not dark magic
4:14 Sombra has a wavy tail and mane
Grogar: Last time on Dragonball Super...
Gusty: Eat my shorts!
Eat my shorts!?
I think you mean *Kiss my flank*
I actually thought about Mist Main. She has a curved horn, flowing main and tail, a cutie mart, and is very magically gifted. Maybe Gusty the Great was someone that was from the land that Mist Main was from?
3:41 I was gonna type that but you beat me to it lol. She does look like she could be a hybrid and it would be really cool story building.
4:44 and if they were her daughter: that might help explain a bit of why Starswirl is interested in them and how they could be so powerful. Also if Gusty were part Kirin and therefore Celestia and Luna... that would explain why the leader of the Kirin's looks like Celestia.... and why she's so big (well it could be that she's an alicorn who is at the very least, a thousand years old, but let's just play with the thought for a little bit). Perhaps they and the Kirin Queen (I forgot her name...) are related? It'd be an interesting point at least. What do you think?
For information here is the story reproduced exactly as it appears on the ponies' backcards,
Way up in the trees, the leaves had put on their autumn coats and Gusty was thrilled. "I love fall colors - orange, red and yellow!" Dancing happily. Gusty whirled through the colorful treetops. Suddenly a wild wind whistled through the sky and the leaves were yanked from their trees. They fluttered down and lay lifeless on the ground. "Back up there! Go back up!" Taking a deep breath, Gusty puckered her lips and blew on the leaves. At Gusty's magical command, the leaves happily swirled around and returned to their home.
With a name like that and huge magic potential, I would be shocked if her maine didn't flow like Mist-Manes!
As for Luna and Celestia's background? We all know that *Fausticorn* , as the first true alicorn, created them. And they better not mess with that head cannon or I'll harrumph like no ones business!
Imagine if it had been or if she shows up in g5 and then revealed that she was actually both the g1 original Gusty and Celestia/Luna's mother... (also turning out to be Majesty' daughter)...?
I like the idea of a direct lineage to the sisters, ancestor or parent. You voiced my thoughts about Cozy Gliw when she first appeared outside the CMC treehouse. That cane to furition. If Gusty makes an appearence, it would be awesome if they could get Nancy Cartwright to voice her.
Something else not totally related, I find it interesting Harminy has chosen the firm of Twilight as an avatar.
With the curved horn and flowing mane I think the image they showed of Gusty looks a lot like Mistmane.
Quite a while ago I made a Top 10 list of characters from G1 MLP that I wanted to see in G4, and Grogar and Gusty were at the top of the list. I was so thrilled when they introduced Grogar and worked Gusty into his backstory!
All the legends that have been talked about came back so it is perfectly possible that we are going to see her.
I believe Gusty from mlp G1 is the same one as the leyend Grogar is telling in G4. I’m guessing Gusty evolved as she got more powerful just like when Twilight got her wings, Gusty’s form could’ve changed. Also, in every legend storytelling the illustrations are exact as in real life. That’s why I believe it to be true…
Well if you want to compare gen one ponies and gen 4 ponies, start with good ole Apple Jack, and Spike.....Also if you ever watched Tiny Toons, the voice for Buster Bunny and Gen 1 Spike are same.
I'd love to see Gusty the Great somehow make a real appearance in the show... I mean, they managed to ressurect Starswirl the Bearded, even though he lived a thousand years ago. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to see Gusty through some time-travel, a magical projection or even a flashback potion (like in season 4 opening). Her being Celestia and Luna's ancestor would've been a SUPER cool plot twist.
(Looks like many others have already pointed out Mist Mane.) Maybe Sombra is actually Gusty's Descendant, hence the reason for his powers? Without an actual show-canon backstory, we don't know if he's always looked like that, with the curved horn and wavy mane/tail...
I've seen a bunch of other comments about Mistmane and her village. That's got me wondering, how relatively close is Mistmane's old village from the Kiren? Even if it is some distance away then there could still be some distant relative blood handed down and we know Mistmane herself gave up a fair bit of her power to restore her village. If Gusty is not related to the Royal Sisters, then she's probably some relation to Mistmane, unless Gusty could be related to both?
If anyone would know, it would be Starswirl the bearded (now there's an idea for a Dr Wolf therapy session. Discussing how things have changed and for both the Dr and the Wizard)
But no matter what the truth turns out to be, one thing we can say for sure is that Gusty clearly had a very high power level of magic to cast those spells to help her steal Grogar's bell and kept him at bay. Near Alicorn level at least. Which reminds me of another near alicorn level unicorn. Starlight Glimmer.
I'm not suggesting that Starlight could be a descendant, only that a normal unicorn can active immense power levels without any magic assistance. If you were to amplify someone of Starlight's power with, for example, the Alicorn Amulet (whose origins, as far as i know, are unknown). Then It would be perfectly possible for Gusty to have performed such great magic and become an ancestor of Mistmane and/or the princesses. Although that would not explain why the Princesses horns are not curved, unlike Mistmane and the rest of her village.
She could be an "eastern" style unicorn like Mistmane; she had both the flowing, ethereal mane and a curved horn similar to what we see in the image of Gusty the Great in Grogar's tale about how she took his bell.
Ponies occasionally get their traits from their counterparts. Gusty could share her ability with g1 gusty, wind magic.
Gusty shares the curved horn and flowy tail with Mistmane, so she may be from the same village or even related to her.
I'm along with the theory that Gusty is part unicorn and part kirin; on how she was so powerful her father might of been a talented Unicron and her mother a very talented Kirin.
But... What if Gusty was neither an ancestor or the mother of the Royal Sisters? Suppose for some reason she left Equestria and never returned. Making Grogar unaware that Gusty had a foreign descendant, one of his/her only kind, that was sent to Equestria to divert an ever-threatening war of 400 years by finishing what she started. But then, in a turn of fateful events, most of the older characters (the Royal Sisters, Discord, Pillars, and even Grogar) feel his/her presence upon reveal. My idea for this character is that: he/she is a master shapeshifter, can use the Staff of Saconas and turn it into it's true form: the Axecalibur, has a tragic backstory concerning his past and says what really happened to Gusty, and (I know it's cliched but, even I had originally had this idea before) Twilight starts to develop feeling she has never had before (maybe except for Flash Sentry, but you get the idea). Ideal voice acting roll: If it's a he: Taron Egerton. If it's a she: I'd guess Lady Gaga (because of the 2018 A Star Is Born movie). My guess is as good as yours, because I don't know what the writers are going to pull off with Gusty here either.
A lot of 'ancient heroes' in Equestria, aren't there? We had The Pillars, Scorpan, Clover the Clever, and now we have Gusty. Hope they make an actual appearance in the show before it ends!
I know I'm very late to the comments, but I was surprised by an omission in your video (and no mention of it in the comments that I found.) We do have another reference to Gusty the Great in G4. In the episode "A Flurry of Emotions" the storybook Twilight borrows from Cherilee to read to the sick foals is the legend of Gusty the Great. In it, she reads about Gusty leading her unicorn warriors to try and reach Cloudsdale on-hoof. On the way they encounter Geogar and combine their magic as one to attack him. (Sadly, that's all we get before Flurry Heart's meltdown interrupts.)
It makes me curious if Gusty was taking her warriors to attack Cloudsdale or to aid it, as it seems to be before Equestria's founding. I also wonder if that was the battle where Gusty stole the Bewitching Bell. Perhaps if I ever get through my current backlog of story ideas I'll see what I can do with it in a story.
So... grogar was defeated by Bart? Lol XD
Grogar: Why you LITTLE!! DOH! XD
MLPDethDealr32 LOL XD!!!! I wish she’ll make a voice appearance in the show or something?
Also after watching flurry of emotions it occurred to me that gusty could have been the ancestor of flurry or perhaps cadence as they all have the same color of magic
I came up with a rather dark theory that Chrysalis is Gusty; after defeating Grogar she was cursed by him to become Chrysalis, so she imprisoned herself in the tree that Starswirl found in IDW. Also would explain why her magic could be used to open the barrier around the bell.
Everyone always forgets about the original Elements. Mistmane and others from her land especially.
As always DRWolf an awesome and wonderful vid i love it, and also as always those are some very interesting theories.
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If Gusty is Starlight's mother or Starlight is from Gusty's descent that is impossible but there is no impossible in MLP because:
Flash Magnus = Flash Sentry.
Nimbus Dash = Rainbow Dash.
maybe gusty the great is a eastern unicorn but the eastern pony’s sacrifice there crystal hearts to banish grogar into a stone 1000k years
I can’t help remembering G1 Gusty, who was a Unicorn ... she was voiced by the same lady who voice Bart Simpson?! *Mind blown* 😮😮😮
But in regards to Celestia and Luna ... anyone else remember the two-part episode Flurry Heart was born? This line of dialogue was spoken by Celestia;
“The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!”
“Something that *Equestria* has never seen“, so I still believe Celestia and Luna to be “true Alicorns” but Flurry Heart is the first to actually be *born* in Equestria!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts like always Dr Wolf 💙=^_^=💙
Gusty is obviously a very interesting character, but we know her a little. It would be wonderful to know her backstory better.
Well, Celestia and Luna aren't the only ponies to have flowing manes, and there is a pony who also has a curved horn. Mistmane, one of the pillars of Equestria. In the season 7 episode "Campfire Tales", when we're shown Mistmane's homeland, we see that every single unicorn there (even though everyone there is a unicorn) has a curved horn, but Mistmane's mane is the only one that moves on its own. Not even her family's manes flow naturally. So it leads me to believe that Gusty and Mistmane have some kind of connection.
Mistmane also have flowing manes and tail
THE MOTHER OF CELESTIA AND LUNA!!!!!
Ehhh? Ehhhhhhhhh? Anyone? any takers?
I mean in the flashbacks shown by Grogar she is a unicorn not an Alicorn
and in the season 6 premiere Luna and Celestia were confirmed for not being born Alicorns so.... maybe?
This was THOUSANDS of years before even Equestria's founding, so it's very unlikely.
@@gokuandmario4ever Yeah......... but still...
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it’s possible
She's probably from the same eastern territory as Mistmane. The unicorns there have curved horns, and Mistmane herself had an ethereal mane and tail.
I never saw G1 MLP either, but I learned that there were some names I found very familiar in the voice cast. e.g. Rob Paulsen, Charlie Adler, Scott Menville, Russi Taylor, and Frank Welker and ,of course, Nancy Cartwright. Interesting!
To be direct. I believe it would be best to keep customers happy with the product they purchased. So keeping the original Gusty would be more appropriate an get others to get a new version is sold. So they have both versions.
gusty Starsworals sister?
A descendant of Daring DO?
she never could best Grogar, his words.
his current power is a fraction of what it was, Gusty fought him to a draw how powerful does that make her when he was at his full potential.
to me, it rivals Discord or Celestia and Luna, or Twilight when she Fought Tirek.
my thoughts, place a silence spell around him to neutralize all his bells.
hmm, such an interesting thing, I look forward to seeing what happens in the show ^^
I see lots of people saying Mistmane Mistmane over and over, but if you take a closer look, you'll see what he's trying to say. Gusty's horn starts of curving back, like Mistmane or Sombra, but curves slightly forward at the tip.
This more resembles kirin's and not any unicorn horn we've seen. It curves TWICE. The waving mane I have no rebuttal for.
You forget that Mist Mane has a flowing mane and tail.
i watched the old mlp the one i watched is that the bell is not sealed in a mountain but turned into powder when i dont know the name of the pegasus but she kicked the tower bell and the bell on her nick turned powder
Mist mane haves wavy mane as well btw
I think that Gusty the Great along with Clover the Clever were students of Starswirl the Bearded back when the ponies were still divided into three tribes. When they arrived in the land that would be Equestria, they soon encountered the ruler of it, Grogar who was more than happy to let them stay so his monsters could fill them with fear to feed on, till Gusty stole his bell.
When Twilight is reading to lil ponies in hospital (its Gustyn the Great)
i wonder to mention this but there is yet another alicorn and it is in the IDW comics. Her name is queen Parabola. This got me thinking about what time period she was apart of the only thing we have to go off of is she existed before the founding to equestria! So i assume she was an alicorn with a kingdom of their own dealing the grogar and his monsters! o.o I thought she might have been a zebra queen but sadly she might be just another pony it would be amazing to have a zebra alicorn since zebras have glyph marks and are the closest things we have to pony kind including donkies in the universe.
I wish they would show more Gusty the Great. It would make a fantastic folklore. I do like your Theory that she could have been mother or grandmother to the royal sisters, Celestia and Luna.
What if Gusty's appearance in the images we see are not correct? What if Gusty the Great happened to be an ancestor of Twilight herself, and that's why Grogar is so set on destroying Twilight and her friends, because Gusty was the however many greats grandmother to Twilight Sparkle herself? It may not explain the curved horn, but it may be why Grogar is set on getting rid of Twilight rather than Celestia and Luna first.
Compromise. Gusty is half kirin because Kirin don't have cutie marks.
Also Mistmane has a flowing mane. I assumed flowing manes are a sign of incredible magical ability/something... but Starswirl doesn't have it.
Could only be mares. Stallions don't have it.
@@Secret_Moon Oh good point. I did not actually think of that.
Gusty is just a normal unicorn
I like to believe that gusty was Celestia and Luna’s mother.
Her horn on the cover of the book in Flurry of Emotions is straight but notched and also quite long. I believe she's a full-blooded unicorn but thousands of years ago unicorn horns looked very different. I mean, Mistmane's horn is longer and more curved than gusty's. Is it possible the unicorn horns as we know them are a bred trait?
I feel like all of this happened so long ago, she couldn't have been the mother of Celestia and Luna. Even if there is relation, I just feel as if it'd be a long line of ancestors. I'm thinking more she's the metaphorical "Mother of Heroism", as Grogar is called the "Father of Monsters". A legendary hero from a time long ago. As for the aestetics, her flowing mane and tail could just be this worlds equivilant to a flowing cape, signifying greatness. That they're someone special. "Wind blows on greatness". The horn may also just be part of the artistic interpretation, making her more distinct.
Doctor Wolf, you make good points but you forgot about Mistmane the pillar of harmony who is connected to Raritys element of generosity. Her mane and tail billow & flow like the two sisters. Perhaps it was her ancestor who sealed Grogars power.
She has a curved horn & slightly curved ears as well.
Judging by that still shot of Gusty the Great, she appears to be some sort of eastern pony, kinda like Mistmane?
She's probably dead from old age, being not an alicorn and all. And you can only pull time shenanigans for so many characters before it stretches belief.
0:42
Sooooooo.....does this mean Gusty the Great told Grogar, "Eat my shorts" when she stole the Bewitching Bell?
eAT PANT
4:17 Did you forget Mistmane (or however you spell it)? She has a curved horn, and a wavey mane and tail. It's possible that Gusty was from her generation, or maybe a little before.
interesting. Btw, have you done a video about Queen Chrysalis at all? I still think she's a disgraced/cursed Alicorn.
I was old enought to remember g1 and I can't remember them at all. they kinda melded into each other.
Actually we have seen a unicorn with a curved hone and wavy hair Mistmane.