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Former F/A-18 Pilot Breaks Down TEARS OF THE SUN Danger Close Scene | Mover Ruins Movies
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 เม.ย. 2021
- Fighter pilot breaks down the "Danger Close" scene from TEARS OF THE SUN (2003) starring Bruce Willis. Mover Ruins Movies.
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"They didn't have Google back then and it shows." LOL
Don't you know people didn't use the internet before smartphones and facebook were developed??
@@razorbackblood06 They could have at least had a hardcopy of Jane's Military Aircraft and an email exchange with a pilot!
Janes Combat Sim, Fighters Anthology was 1997 or 8 (which coincidentally predicted the Russian Crimea invasion in the F14/F18 US navy campaign). Still Tears of the Sun itself was based off of true events. Only it was a Canadian JTF-2 team operating in South America that went against orders in order to save innocents, not the SEALs. Still a great movie and despite inaccuracies it left me with a feeling of desperation and struggle and ultimately admiration for a real life special forces team that actually did disobey orders in order to save lives.
@@BStrambo Or an on-set military advisor...
Yahoo was a beast in 03, Google was around though, biding their time to become Alphabet
Mover's face expression at 12:57 is like:
"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
As someone who works in the film industry, I think I understand what happened with the Master Arm Switch/Spin Recovery Switch. There's an old filmmaking rule called the 180 degree rule - to help the audience stay oriented spatially when they watch the film. Since the Hornets are moving right to left, filming the incorrect switch maintains that same general orientation. If they had popped the camera over to the other side of the jet to get the Master Arm Switch, it would suddenly appear to the audience that the jets are moving in the opposite direction. They probably realized the correct switch was on the "wrong" side of the cockpit when they were boarding it out (or worse, possibly on set), and rather than add shots (money/time) to solve the continuity problem - just called art department to dress up the Spin Recovery Switch, since MOST people have no idea what they're looking at. That one, from a filmmaking perspective makes sense to me (at least why it happened). The randomly armed/not armed thing is frustrating though, because that's basic continuity - since they're already using CG they'd have the resources to add them in if budget/time allowed. I dig these videos! Thanks for making them!
this is a fair assessment of why there's so many problems with this scene...film-making is a different thing than reality (how things are shot, etc)...
I was a pilot in this movie in the SH-60B helicopter at about 14:25 mark in this video, the one farthest out from the camera.
There were actually 4 SH-60B's from HSL-37 airborne but I think you only see 3 in the film. We shot for about a week in Oahu. Got to hang out on set. Bruce Willis was really cool, spent time hanging with the aircrew and maintainers. His daughter was a girl scout. Each year Bruce bought thousands of boxes of girl scout cookies and sent out to the fleet. The year prior my ship received a crate of the girl scout cookies, complements of Bruce. That is how we struck up the conversation with him - he was stoked to meet someone who actually received his cookies. Two people from my squadron got a couple seconds of face time on film, the C.O. and an aircrew Senior Chief.
that's so cool haha
Really cool to hear from someone that was there, especially one of the pilots. Gotta love the internet sometimes. 😁
Yeah, thought I recognized those as Navy SH's, with the APS-124 and FLIR.
Hey! Nice to meet you, I am currently a maintainer at (what is now) HSM-37. Been with HSM-37 for about 2 years. This movie, along with Jurassic park III, are definitely still well known throughout the squadron. Getting to be a part of such a cool production sounds like so much fun. It's nice to meet another Easyrider from back in the day. Take it easy, sir.
Liar. Your not a pilot. Your a 14year old kid with a computer
Those must be self-loading hornets from Ace Combat where missiles just spawn out of nowhere
Damn I shoulda been earlier, and honestly sometimes I wish they had a hardcore ultra realist mode
@@maj.romuloortiz7832 that would require rework on the physics, missile damage and tracking methods, at that point you might as well play War Thunder or DCS with Ace Combat 7 mod
Or they finally developed air-to-air rearming technology
It's obvious that the aircraft landed at a FARP operated by Navy Reservists who are NASCAR pit crews in their civilian jobs. Down, 3.27 seconds, airborne again.
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Director: so that's this master arms button? It turns the weapons on, correct? It's a bit... boring no? It's missing some urgency, flair.. some of that.. danger close"
Liason pilot: well, we co..
Director: What does that one do! Love the yellow, it screams danger!"
Liason pilot: Ow that one. *Flips cover* That one doesn't do anyth..
Director: IT'S PERFECT!
Sounds about right.
Liason pilot: F-it. I'm getting paid.
Haha!
Not disagreeing that its stupid, but it must have been an aesthetic choice from the director in that he wanted to shoot from the jets' left for subconcious psychological reasons (so they move from right to left), so for continuity you have to make the in-cockpit shot from the left too or it'll look weird
That's probably EXACTLY how it went too.
That's exactly what happened haha
Fat American missiles. The AIM-9XXL.
FAIM-9 - Fat Aim-9 :p
FAIM-XXXL lol they packed more heat into the heat seeking missile…that was uproariously hilarious in my head…way to ruin the joke asshole…IM SORRY lol
"Hey, Two...get outta' here...go do something with your life."
17 minutes of Mover tearing a single scene apart? Yes.
Mover’s face at 10:49 is priceless as he realizes what he’s seeing
I believe it’s a THICC Aim-9.
You dont understand its a brand new secret multi-purpose napalm warhead missile as seen in the vid
AthIccM 9
Thic 9
Aim 9 T
Thicwinder
Aim-9, super-size style :P
Bruce Willys M4, has the Aimpoint mounted backwards
And the guy sneaking through the village with his suppressed USP with the slide locked back 😅
Omg how have I never noticed that
@@SgtRock4445 not even locked back, it failed to return to battery.
@@pandabanana2593 ah, you are correct. Maybe because of firing blanks? www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/3a/TOTS_MK23-4.jpg/600px-TOTS_MK23-4.jpg
@@SgtRock4445 probably not enough pressure to cycle the action reliably.
Would have looked cool if he tapped the slide home though. Wasted coolness opportunity.
"annnnd now it's Napalm" haha I love your content sir, Tears of the Sun is one of my top movies.
That was shot on Oahu, I was working traffic control during that sequence. The F/A-18's did a low pass through the valley before they detonated the pyrotechnics. Then they brought in the SH-60's to fly in, land, and take off. The part of the road I was on was slightly higher (pretty wide valley) than the F/A-18's, and it was an awesome sight to see.
And that guarded switch wasn't even labeled "Master Arm", but "Missile Arm". And to be honest, a 3-ship of Airwolf would be frickin' awesome. :-)
This movie would have went from a 5/10 to 8/10 if they put in the Airwolf soundtrack and had the final crescendo right when the 3 choppers entered the frame 😆🤣
@@onewingedangelsephiroth1561 So when is C.W going to review AirWolf ?
I used to be a JTAC from 2008-2012 and I am always rolling my eyes during these scenes! Most of the time they are sooooo wrong with everything.... Worked a lot with VFA-106 and the squadrons at Luke and DM...@mover maybe even with you?
I guess you gotta give them a little credit for not making it look like the planes are in afterburner 100% of the time. So often movies have fighters with flames coming out the tailpipes at all times.
And they used navy F/A 18 hornets with Navy seals so there’s that
Good thing they didn’t try to use F15’s or something lol
Isn't this when they should be in afterburner? At least when transiting from the ship to the general area, not nessearily while making the attack or when returning to the ship.
FLIGHT OF THE INTRUDER
1991 war film directed by John Milius, who also directed Conan The Barbarian (1982), and Red Dawn (1984) to name a few.
The character, “Zee” was their JTAC. The LT. saw Zee get hit several times and collapse. He then knew it was up to him to call in the strike. Which is why he crawled back to their position.
Either way, you can't deny this was an epic scene and movie! Awesome music, amazing build up and resolution.
MY GOD, this clip always triggered me.
Cracked my ass up that 3 hellfire armed gunships that could ACTUALLY conduct limited CAS show up after the clusterfuck delivered by the clean Hornets. Lol! Thanks for doing this one, Mover.
Love your arma 3 mod vids viper
@@thebeastw31 Thanks man!
My favorite scene in the movie is when Tom Skerritt is talking to Bruce Willis on a satellite phone from the deck of an aircraft carrier (that is active) in full dress uniform. The scene is so ridiculous that I burst out laughing (I saw this in the theater). I couldn't believe that they put that scene in, it boggles my mind how stupid that looked.
Yep. It is stupid as shit. :D
Yes, but... TOM SKERRITT!!! Viper himself!
Non military people just think it looks cool
@@knndyskful Hey that scene was really cool !
. . . . lol
Likely to establish exactly what level they are talking to, where he is and what he can provide without some on-screen text and unwarranted exposition.
I don't care what people say. I liked this movie when it came out and I like it today.
Also, his reaction at 10:49 is perfect.
Magical self loading Hornets, backwards Aimpoints, and wonky fireteam tactics aside, Tears of the Sun is a pretty good movie.
that how the hornets were in battlefield 3...lol
um disagree not magical several games when I switch the missile it changes the load out lol
Came here after watching him do the airplane movie spinoff from the Pixar Cars movie.
He gave that one tons of credit because they had really good comms. It was funny how badly they did the comms etc in this one.
My dad used to criticize a lot of movies based around Submarine combat. He was retired Navy and it always annoyed him how badly they got the interiors for subs.
Yes! I've been waiting for this one! Sadly, one of my favorite Hornet scenes has been ruined...😀 Could you also do the scene from The Rock? That's a fun Hornet scene (and it says "Air Force" on the side of the planes, so I'm sure there's gotta be a lot to criticize!).
Thanks for these, Mover!
I 2nd that!
I third that! I've waited fir this one as well but man can we really pick em apart now!
Thanks Mover!
He did it already
They're like firefighters, they stage! Classic.
When I saw the scene, I was thinking "do you even JTAC, bro?" Right after "um, where's the ordinance?"
Inflight refuelling is a thing.. They obviously have super secret inflight rearming :)
At 10:23 im reminded of Hot Shots when Lloyd Bridges yells at the picture he thinks is a window.
The F-18 bomb scene in Clear and Present Danger suggests that a high altitude bombing can be good if done right. You should consider reviewing that, kindly.
It is so enjoyable listening to you tear apart these clips. If the producers knew that ALL viewers were active on your channel to rate the film, you might have a lawsuit filed against you. LOL. Yeah Mover, I like the real world too.
clear and present danger has a great hornet scene.
10:55 Another nitpicky thing with the "spin recovery" shot is the HUD on the MFD seems to indicate a >10 degree angle of descent like they're diving into or climbing out of a bombing or strafing run, not flying level treetop.
I cracked up at the "go do something with your life". Matched up perfectly with lead's body language looking over. LOL
@@maalik4982 Plus you've got the flashy "you'd-better-know-what-you're-doing" caution colors and safety cover on that switch compared to the actual master arm. Just like the fingertip formation stuff, I get where it looks better on screen to a general audience.
I think they used the spin recovery switch because it was more photogenic than the actual master arm. It looks cooler.
There's also the angle to consider. They had been filming everything from the pilot's left side and it's a no no in movies to change camera angles by 180 degrees.
This should be titled “Watch Mover develop an aneurism”
When are you gonna finally pull the trigger on becoming an aviation consultant for films? You need to raise the bar in in Hollywood!
"He doesn't exist anymore, he's a pink mist". Now *that's* a graphical description!
I'm still holding out for a teardown of Executive Decision but this is one of my favorites to date.
LOL, that was funny, ty! Keep 'em coming :D
“Like fire fighters, they stage,” truer words have never been spoken. More like, staging at quarters..
Your take on this scene was as funny as it was brutal.
There is also a scene in Cloverfield involving F/A-18s attacking the monster. I think they had a more proper attack formation.
Worked with a guy that was on the ship when this movie was being filmed, he was an extra in a quick scene too.
Apparently the Hornet's featured in this film are of the VFA-204 "River Rattlers" Fighter Squadron. You're old Navy squadron if I'm not wrong? I may be!
in the end credits it mentions their sister squadron the 203 Blue Dolphins but there is a glimpse of a River Rattlers' jet
So refreshing for a review like this
So glad you did this one! I didn't suggest it in my lists just for how short it was, but that was allot of details you pointed out.
They probably wanted the Missile Armed to look more tactical/dramatic.
Love it , beautiful 😂😂😂 keep up the ruining.
A big fan from Saudi Arabia
Haha, love your commentary, C.W. Factual and funny at the same time - spoken like a true fighter pilot (as I was back in the 80s).
Funniest MRM in a while. Had me laughing out loud!
"A three-ship of Airwolf"
That gave me a good chuckle : )
I love this movie
What an epic ending scene
Then the Director of it did exactly what he intended for you. Honestly back then I didn't even notice the discrepancies and enjoyed the movie as well.
That was an AIM-9N Mover. A heat seeking napalm missile lol
More of these, please! I love the knowledge, but more importantly, Mover's reactions to the errors are hilarious!
I really look forward to mover ruins movies. It's interesting to get the professionals opion. Have you thought of doing one on We Were Soldiers broken arrow scene? A lot going on there.
@1:40 I've seen a lot of hornets doing low passes and with the exception of the Blue Angels have never seen one leaving a smoke trail.
Idea for another Mover Ruins Movies: you could do "we were soldiers" ,it's about the first actual Battle of Vietnam ,but there is one scene with fighter jets .
The majority of the movie seemed pretty accurate ,so I don't know how much actual content you would get out of it.
WWS also had lots of Hueys both as troop carriers and gunships, Movers does like to look at helicopters too ;)
Mover, your knowledge on the Air Force and Navy is second to none. Not only do you show the errors in aviation and the plot holes in these movies.
Love this channel
Bruce: Let it rip, Todd!
Todd: Toss a spinning beyblade at them
“They’re like firefighters they stage”
Second responders 😂
Continuity on combat aircraft in Hollywood, even in films like Topgun, that have access to USN and USAF almost never happens. Film editors don't know the difference between a CBU and an AIM-120. They don't think anyone notices. And the
few that do notice don't make up an important part of the film going audience. It costs a lot of bucks to pay the Navy to load out a jet for a film and fly it (assuming they'll even do that!). It costs considerably less to use stock footage.
"Ok, oohhhkay, whoooboy, alright, SOOOO..." LOL, just found this YT channel, love it so much!
I thoroughly enjoy "Mover Ruins Movies!"
Can you do the F-18 scene from the end of “The Rock”?
oh god.... if he does that please include the shots when they launch the Hornets with the pilot siting in a cockpit WITHOUT a seat
@@sparrowlt ya, thats like, one VERY emergency QRF, lmao
Yes! The “Air Force” F-18s!
Hey Mover! Do Clear and Present Danger! There's a great Hornet scene. I think you'll like it
Ditto.
I third that motion!
Hello sir. Ever thought about interviewing Everett Alvarez, USN, POW? Really like your show.
“Like firefighters, they stage”…..And I took that personally…. Ha. Love it
Mover, thanks for such a nice debrief!
HAHAHA great review
. The helicopter scene was mint!
One of the best reviews yet. Completely deserved. If movie production would not go out of their way to misrepresent reality then Mover wouldn't have to ruin the movie.
You can't really argue with someone who can talk the talk AND walk the walk.
There's a couple of good scenes in Thirteen Days. One low altitude recon mission with a couple of F-8s, and a missile evasion scene with a U2. Would love to get your take on it. It's a good movie too, it idolizes JFK too much, according to Robert McNamara it was Tommy Thompson who suggested the final "deal" that prevented the invasion of Cuba, not JFK. JFK was resigned to the invasion when Thompson said "Mr. President, I think you're wrong." Anyways, let us know what you think about the aviation scenes, they seem to be reasonably authentic.
I've always liked tears of the sun the story is definitely great in my opinion haven't seen it in years but I'd love to see you react to flight of the intruder at some point anyway keep up the great work🤘
Tears of the Sun is based off a Canadian JTF-2 mission.
I don't know if this makes it better or worse, but the Hornets are from VFA-204 River Rattlers. You might be able to see it on one of the scenes. I saw this little factoid on Wikipedia last night.
mover watched this movie before he was a pilot.. and then later went on to fly with vf-204. pretty cool factoid.
I absolutely LOVE your videos. I always pick apart aviation movies. I was an AO and attached to VFA-151 Vigilantes in Lemoore for 4 years and I just love it when I see Hollywood get the weapons or weapons systems completely wrong. I noticed that during the cockpit shots they were sitting in an ACES II seat which the Navy doesn't use. They should have been SJU-17s. Please keep the videos coming.... I love 'em!
On the spin recovery switch, you can even tell they put a sticker over "SPIN"
These are super fun and interesting. I always find it interesting how Hollywood screws things up, even when to do so takes more work than it would to just get it right. My dad was a big gun enthusiast (not gun nut) and he always hated it when he saw guns in movies that didn't even exist when the movie was supposed to be taking place. Most people would never notice things like that, but I found it interesting. I hope you keep doing more of these! It would be cool to see you do some cop stuff too since you spent time as one. My dad and brother were both cops and they would always see screw ups in cop shows and movies.
Hollywood needs to hire Mover as their consultant next time.
5:45 well in the movie the SEAL guys are running up a hill, so it makes sense that they're pointing their guns up
Looks like the director of the 1980ies eries The A-Team took on this movie. The 'crack commando team' (with one of them - BA - afraid of flrying) that shot everything up and the bad guys always stumbled out of a carwreck rubbing their heads as if they had a hangover or something.
This was the best so far. Dude, I was expecting you to start bleeding out if your ears. Lmao 😂😂😂
Bruce as a 45 year old LT.
in Vietnam we would call out what color smoke we were deploying and Charlie got deploy the same color smoke. so air support wouldn't where to shoot. So we would deploy smoke and have air support ID the color of smoke. that why the pilot said he saw white smoke.
You'd think that to be in the SEALs, let alone get assigned to this mission, Bruce and his whole team would have been qualified JTAC. Mainly though just surprised the pilot kept his mask on for his close-ups.
Haha your the best. Love your movie reviews. You are my favorite TH-cam personality
I’ve sat in a cf-18 as a twelve year old at Thunder in the Air, Thunder Bay’s last Airshow, and blew the pilots mind with all my nerdy ( actually really cool ) facts. Was told I would go far with that attitude. He forgot to mention it would cost $ and as a little First Nations boy, that automatically made flying out of reach lol.
Maybe in my next life.
Great job mover as always
Bro watching mover honestly makes me want to make a flying movie just to get all his complaints right.
Calling in 9 lines was so much fun in the Army as a Medic! The helicopter pilots were amazing at their job.
Day off ... sitting down with a nice scotch and some mover ruins movies!... Cheers!
11:40 They put the switch on the right because they had to frame the shot in conjunction with the previous shot. In the previous one, they are going from right to left, so you have the viewers sense of flow going left with eyes centered. The next shot with the switch requires the viewer to still see a flow (towards the left) so they don't feel confused or disoriented.
Overall, you will notice that the jets always go to the left. Bruce looks to the right.
Just some cinematography 101. Some things they had to sacrifice/modify to get the correct sequence properly.
Hey Moover the interesting thing is that these two McDonnell Douglas F/A-18A Hornets are supposed to be from your old squadron VFA-204 "River Rattlers" from Naval Air Station Joint Reserve Base New Orleans in Belle Chase, Louisiana. Interesting thing I'm sure you noticed and I typed this too before finishing watching so there you go! Thanks for doing this one, I was going to ask you to but you nailed it already! Appreciate your service in the United States Air Force Reserve Command and the United States Naval Reserve as well! Hooyah! One more thing I have to say is that you flew three of my favorite aircraft in the whole world, the Talon, the Viper, and the Hornet! That had to be awesome and now you have flown a Robinson R-22 and that's awesome too. Thanks again and have a blessed day brother! 🇺🇸
Looks like AIM-7M Sparrows and yeah some super fat AIM-9M Sidewinders. Only the M-61A1 Vulcan is good for this attack run as you said.
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at this rate, I'm gonna know how to fly an F-18. I would've loved to be a pilot but the recruiter said me needing contacts disqualified me, even if I got lasik surgery.
hahahahahah you dropped the "Tropic Thunder Bomb." the most powerful weapon known to man.
Have you done "Flight of Black Angel" yet? You'd have a field day with that one, especially with all the pirated scenes from Iron Eagle.
I love these. Your serious reactions are great. Thanks for doing these.
As an old fart and a civilian, I really like the Mover ruins series..I am watching All The Movies ,as I have the Rona...
After these comes gaming....
God Bless you and your LOVED ONES
everyone else at an airshow: ooh look at the pretty jets
Mover: is that an aim 7? yeah. or actually aim 9. aim 7? no aim 9. aim... 7? maybe not aim 9. probably aim 7. too thick for aim 9. actually, aim 9. perhaps an aim... 6
It’s an AIM-4 falcon get it right…just kidding lol
This movie could've been so awesome. I remember seeing the great commercials, then watched it a few years later and was terribly disappointed 🤦♂️ pretty sure the military adviser/armorer had to have been an ROTC student that had some limited video game experience 😄
99.999% of people could give a shit less. It’s a movie, get over yourself
I always enjoy when Mover explains a bit more when it comes to whats going on and what they are doing.