I REALLY like this gentleman. The worst episodes of this show are when the guests can't differentiate between a documentary and a cinematic film. And they judge them harshly because they don't adhere 100% to realism. Some of the best are when the subject matter expert understands that there is a distinction between the two and they can allow their suspension of disbelief to carry them to where a good film is trying to take them. This pilot is the latter. He knows that movies aren't a 1:1 with reality and he can sit back and say "This is still great fun." aside from that. And he even takes a moment to explain that he understands why they did it. Great breakdown.
I prefer when they go hard in the paint, nitpicking it for realism, because I learn a lot more from those kinds of videos. We don't need a fighter pilot to judge its entertainment value, when we can do that ourselves. He should be there to tell us things we don't know.
@@jm-fe1iz I understand that. That hasn't escaped me. By all means, do inform us as to what's realistic about a scene and how it stands up against real life. That's the whole point of the show. What kills me is when the experts take it personal. I recently watched another episode where the subject matter expert not only talked about how aspects of the film they were reviewing weren't true to real life, but decided to push it quite a bit forward. They immediately went on to say how they had refused to watch what they called the "silly movies" and even refused to give a rating at all. At which point I can't help but say to myself that if you want that level of absolute adherence to realism, then that's what documentaries are for. Not Hollywood dramas. And it's not really fair to judge one against the other because that's comparing apples to oranges. It was all really negative even though the films the person was talking about were objectively good films in their own rights and they all set out to convey the emotions and mindset that they wanted to portray to the audience. (For instance, one of the films in question currently has a 7.5 on IMDb and a 98% Rotten Tomatoes... So I'm not going off of just my personal opinion.) Episodes like that one that are so aggressively negative come off very wrong. And I'm just happy that this gentleman is able to say what's not true to life while still being able to sit back and say that a movie still works and is good in spite of its dramatization by Hollywood. (It also helps that he's actually watched the films in full context as opposed to just looking at a handful of 30 second clips and calling them garbage.)
@arnavbordoloi7878 yup, an absolute bs statement from the guy who the year before had the same thing happen to him at least twice, while on the Ducati. I thought he was great but lost a lot of respect for him after that, I'm sure he loses sleep over over it too. BTW, he's still one of the greats
@@GoodDealDaveIve seen you on a few podcasts and always wanted to ask you a question. After a career of legendary accomplishments, is it tough to find fulfilment doing anything else?
@@shane7133not at all. I believe in the mission at EF and have never been happier! But it can be tough for vets…you have to transition to another mission you believe in.
I chatted with a recently retired navy pilot, and his assessment of these movies is very close to yours. Also, his dad was an old navy pilot and I asked him if he ever saw Top Gun, and he said when the movie came out he was actually in Top Gun, the school not the movie.
They didn't mention it at the beginning, but Dave Burke was a Top Gun instructor and eventually ran Top Gun before becoming an F22 and F35 pilot and instructor. They undersold his bona fides.
The F-18 is a Hellcat, the F-22 is a Ferrari...the F-35 is a worthless Maserati. Even when it's running, it's nothing to write home about and only makes you realize how much better the Ferrari is.
As someone who served in the Air Force ( not a pilot ) but supported with AWACS this dude is the real deal. Humble with humility and highly trained. Thank you for dedication and service. We were all safer because of you.
Too bad he didn't mention the ceiling limit, which is higher than that bridge structure they flew thru. If they had flown 'over the bridge to be safe' like the pilot suggested, the SAMS would've spotted them and the mission would have failed. Even if the SAMS couldn't hit them it would've alerted the two Russian recon pilots and they would've intercepted them before making it to Coffin's Corner.
I flew F-16As in the 1980s. I loved the flying scenes in this movie. In my day we were all about low level ingress to popup attacks with dumb bombs. Also, did not have any indicator of AGL level, so it was using the Mk-1 eyeball to be roughly 300 ft on the low level.
Only ever had the pleasure of flying backseat once, some of the low level flying we seen was insane, 3/4ft off the deck, 50ft inverted between hangers, 10 ft high speed bombing runs. None of it is legal or by the book but they weren't your average pilots. Sitting having a BBQ, surrounded by a semi circle of hardened ac shelters, pilot comes in hot about 50ft, throws it into a high g turn just in front of us, full reheat and deck chairs go flying. Fun times
I remember the IR Flare against Radar missiles was talked about when the movie came out, but other pilots had said you normally release both when you see a missile because you don't know which kind of missile it is.... but you can only see the flare, not the chaffe. So it might not be wrong. Great video, he is th most generous expert I've seen on this channel
The really cool thing about the filming of TG Maverick is that they stuck the actors in the back seats of Foxtrot Super Hornets, so all the scenes showing the actors under G load is entirely genuine, which I absolutely love.
Viper’s “thaaaaats it, thaaaats it” perfectly inflects to the call sign. I did love when people said the flat spin wasn’t realistic, then the real Vioer (Pete Pettigrew) pulled an actual case file.
@@GoodDealDave I may not have worded it right. I just mean the other people who believe they are right. I caught an interview with (real) Viper and he even addressed those people who said it could never happen.
Need a fighter pilot to rate this video for realism. 6:46 Shows the laser designating pod and mislabels it as the bomb's laser detector 13:40 Shows the Thunderbirds and labels them the Blue Angels 17:36 Shows an F-4 Phantom when talking about the A-4 Skyhawk 17:54 Shows bomb dropping when talking about missile minimum range Normally, I wouldn't expect journalistic editors to necessarily know the b-roll that well, but you had a fighter pilot on the video, you couldn't have had him watch the cut before releasing it?
Good, I'm not the only one that saw those little errors. If you are going to do nitpiking on movie for realism, you should be sure to not make that same mistake by yourself. :P
For the mach 10 ejection, if they had the whole cockpit act as a capsule, and they showed Maverick getting out of said capsule, it would've done wonders for ejecting at mach 10, which is completely ridiculous
@@JJones-g2f inside the capsule, deceleration wouldn't be immediate and he wouldn't be exposed like with a normal ejection seat. In a normal ejection, you get hit by a blast of compressed air. At those speeds, the capsule could eject from the aircraft and then deploy it's parachute or whatever after it has slowed down or reached a certain altitude, whatever is safer. Sort of like a reentry capsule
Another pilot said that, when the Darkstar started having problems, it would've markedly slowed down, so the actual ejection wouldn't have been at Mach 10. Also, if a crew capsule was used, that would help too.
I remember years ago getting buzzed by an F18 while driving through the desert. An F18 turned right in front of me just a couple of hundred yards above the ground. The blast knocked my car several lanes over, but I still thought it was cool. I was at the top of a mountain, and an A10 went right over me. I was surprised at how little blast there was.
1986, i joined the Navy's Delay Entry Program. 1989 i graduated from H.S. and went to RTC/NTC San Diego. Later, I got my duty station CVN-70 as an ABH. I loved it. If I could, I'd do it all over again.
I like the How Real Is It-series in general, but this is probably THE best episode I've seen. So incredibly well commented and explained by Top Gun Dave, without ANY condecending arrogance...which can too many times occur when experts in their field review, as in this case, a simple Hollywood-blockbuster. This was both educational and entertaining all at the same time. Great job commentic this video, Dave, and thanks for your service (I'm not American, but Norwegian. Still, respect should be shown when and where it's due)
I flew the F-4 [CV-64] in '71 (Nam) THANK YOU FOR THIS SHOW! It's been 50 years for me and lit up the magic in my mind!! God, they actually paid us to do this!😅
Dave, as a former navy Vietnam A-4 puke, I must say I enjoy your take on the movie discussion at the opening of Top Gun Mavrick. Too many navy pilots forget it’s a movie and has scenes that are what we call Hollywood. However, with that said when I first saw Top Gun I was blown away especially seeing the A-4 as an adversary. It was a great movie that made showcased Naval Air and navy/marine pilots. I flew for a major airline, and I can tell you, the air force pilots hated it. Envy. They always hated when I brought a copy of the Hook on a trip. Your comments are realist in context that it’s a Movie. Both Top Gun movies, they hit out of the park. Well done Dave
I really appreciate this, and your service. Glad we see it the same too...I wanted to offer some insights into the realism, without losing sight that it was a movie - an awesome one at that. And the sequel was fantastic too. As for the A-4...who doesn't love the Hot Rod! Must have been a blast to fly.
I had the opportunity to take care of a patient post op that was a verified SR 71 pilot. Absolutely, all the staff loved hearing his experiences! I have to admit, he was such a kool guy!
This dude is the real deal. I would highly recommend looking him up on Jocko Willinks podcast, where they go over this movie in detail for almost an hour.
I had the great honour of flying in an RAF Hawk T1 with the pilot practicing low level manoeuvres through Snowdonia (250 feet of the ground). I was broken by the end of it. I suffered grey out at one point. It gave me a greater appreciation of the skill and professionalism of combat pilots, not only to put their bodies through high G but then to be able to engage in a dog fight.
Top Gun vs Top Gun Maverick is a great example of Nostalgia Goggles. While Maverick may be more realistic or even better of a movie, I can't help but pick the original over it. Simply because the music, the F14 Tomcat, and the overall cheesiness of it are so ingrained in my head. Also, no one will ever be able to convince me that anything is more cool than an F14 Tomcat
Even the creators of Maverick knew the F-14 is the undisputed sex symbol of dogfighting...that's why the last 15 minutes of the movie is dedicated to one demolishing two 5th gen fighters in a way not unlike how Mike Tyson will destroy Jake Paul.
@@samueltheprideofafrikarobi9319oh yeah, the first time I saw TG Maverick in the cinema and watched the mission briefing scene (where they mentioned the enemy having F14's) I whispered to my wife "maverick is going to fly one of those planes", and I was happy to find out I was right. I know the F14 scenes were unrealistic (a bit fanservicy too) but I don't care it was awesome, as was the rest of the movie. Not sure why I find the look of the F14 so appealing but yeah I agree with you there 100% (I also think the Ferrari F40 is the prettiest car ever made so maybe there's something in that somewhat utilitarian aesthetic that I find appealing).
FIrst, of all F15>>>F14, in every iteration, variation by humiliation, every day, all day, and twice on Sundays. That's not arguable. That's a fact... Jack. So now that we got that out of the way, you 're also wrong about Top Gun being better than Top Gun 2: Son of Top Gun. I don't remember smelling so many cut up onions watching the first movie.
Definitely appreciate his analysis for each scene depicted! I was one of those guys that he was talking about from the 80s that wanted to fly a fighter plane after watching Top Gun! Unfortunately I had a troubled high school life with no direction. Thanks to the Lord I got course correction and didn't end up in prison! I still feel the need for speed on my KX450! 🤙😎
This is easily one of the most informative and genuinely entertaining videos I've seen in which an individual reviews movie scenes about their field of expertise. If this pilot and instructor (I apologize for not having his name handy) is indicative of the men and women at the controls of our country's planes, I feel very safe and secure knowing they are protecting our country and our freedom. Thanks to him and his fellow members of the armed forces for their service and know that your countrymen appreciate you! Now hit the brakes and watch them fly on by!
Hi, I'm back. As a Top Gun afficionado (I LOVE both movies!), I have some random thoughts and observations from both movies. One, I LOVE the Darkstar scene! Former USAF fighter pilot CW Lemoine, aka Mover, said on his TH-cam channel that he thought that the scene was unnecessary and added nothing to the movie. I disagree. I not only think it adds something to the movie; I think it's very necessary. Why? Because, from the jump, it shows us a more mature, others focused Maverick, something that we'll see over and over in TGM. In the Darkstar scene, Mav is on the runway about to takeoff when RADM Cain pulls up to the gate. Hondo tells him this, and he reminds Mav that he'll get into trouble if he goes through with it. I love Mav's response, "I know what happens to everyone else if I don't," meaning the program will die and his colleagues in the control room will be out of work. SO! To establish Maverick as someone more mature and concerned with others, I think that the scene adds a lot, and it is very necessary to show how Maverick has changed. Indeed, we see this from Maverick repeatedly throughout TGM. He's hard on the students not to show off or feed them humble pie, though some, like Hangman, could use some. No, he does it to make sure that they're well prepared for the mission. As he said to Cyclone, he was teaching them "how to come home". Another instance we see Mav thinking of others is how he "borrows" the F-18 to show that the mission could be done, so he could lead it himself. A real leader ALWAYS leads from the front! He always puts himself out there. He's the point of the spear. One reason why General Patton had such loyalty from his troops in WWII is because he led from the front, something Maverick fought to do, and did, in the movie. Maverick wanting to lead from the front is another example of how, unlike his younger self, he's thinking of others. The final instance we see Maverick thinking of others is taking the missile for Rooster. I don't know if it was for totally altruistic reasons. I think that Mav is still haunted by Goose's death; he feels responsible for it; and he feels that he has to atone for it. Nevertheless, Maverick is putting Rooster ahead of himself; once again, he's thinking of others. It just occurred to me that I'll have to do other comments to address the other points I have for both movies. Thanks for indulging me on my comments!
@@Yumiko-je1toit’s just a cool scene that’s not very realistic. I enjoyed it, but there’s no situation where we would fly under a bridge. And going over the bridge would not get us shot down…that’s why I rated it the way I did.
@@Yumiko-je1toI understand what you’re saying. I did this video to explain whether the movie was realistic. In this case, it wasn’t. We don’t fly under bridges. Again…a cool scene, great CGI. Just not realistic.
*As a retired RCAF pilot/instructor if I see "Dave Berke" I instawatch and click like because I know its going to be great content.* _I never had the pleasure of flying or meeting Chip but know obviously he is a highly skilled Legend._ Subscribed.
Or just go hardcore and go through the canopy. Some jets just have detcord snaking through the canopy and ejecting throws you through it. Iirc the Harrier has one of these.
Around 9:00 - I'm not trying to contradict a guy that's actually been there and done that, but the countermeasures against the SAMs show the pilots hitting a button labeled "Flares/Chaff." The chaff would have some effect against the SAMs. From a filmmaking standpoint, chaff doesn't look that exciting on film, so the flares are added just for the visual pop.
Chip Berke is the only human on Earth and likely to be the only human in history to be qualified on the Viper, Hornet, Raptor and Lightning II (aka Fat Amy). What a legend. When asked which platform he'd want to drive into a hot and hairy sortie, without hesitation he said Fat Amy due to the incredible situational awareness she provides.
@@GoodDealDave did we just become best friends? In my mind we did haha. Jokes aside, thank you for your service to this great country and everything you've done to push military aviation forward.
I would like to add the guy here reviewing is just so enthusiastic. Personally the balance between realism and fiction is ok as long as you don't ruin the image of that film. Alot of online reviewers should take note of this guys knowledge and passion!
Another thing I want to share is my favorite character from TGM: Bob. I like Bob because he's so humble, so unpretentious. He just lets his actions and results do the talking. He talks very softy (if he talks at all), but he swings a VERY big stick! He always came through when needed. His excellence and competence are such that Phoenix totally trusted him; she never questioned him, because Bob is a great WSO. I like Bob because I'm like him; particularly when I was younger, I was a bit nerdy and socially awkward. I really identify with Bob. I like Bob because he's a good and faithful teammate who always has Phoenix' back. He was always looking out for her. I like how, in the classroom, when Hangman said no offense intended, Bob got in the savage burn, "Yet somehow, you always manage." He said that sticking up for Phoenix. I LOVE that line! I like Bob because he's all about doing whatever has to be done to accomplish the mission; with him, it's always mission first, regardless of whether or not he gets the glory. The team know that, which is why they have such quiet respect for Bob.
"You can't hit the breaks" But you, can't you? As a qualified armchair fighter pilot, DCS has taught me that at least the F/A-18C (and I'm guessing the same is true for the Super Hornet) has a break that works via increasing air resistance. Granted, it's not super effective, it won't let you do what is portrayed in the movie, but it's a break nonetheless.
Indeed. The C model speed brake is hydraulically activated and raises a huge panel between the stabs to slow the jet down. The super just adjusts the flight controls to do the same thing. The switch on the throttle is the same.
couldn't stop grinning as he talks about each scene. his sense of humor with the respect for movie making makes it very enjoyable to watch! "the ejection at the beginning of the movie, would be the end of the movie" haha!!
That is the problem with knowing about stuff depicted in any movies. It requires, "the suspension of disbelief." Good review sir. I still love the air brakes scene, I know I know, but I love it.
@@GoodDealDave To be fair, the Raptor can certainly pull that on someone. Still won't be a fraction of a second that has been depicted but the damn thing can out do a Piper Cub in the "slow game" since the damn thing can hover vertically if it needs to...That's still absolutely awesome to see. If an enemy has the misfortune of even making it close enough to one to actually dogfight it, that's when their really bad day gets so much worse. LOL
even though they cgi'd the felons they at least had real world aircraft, unlike the obviously made up "mig-28" which anyone, even a kid from the 80's knew didnt exist. "Soviet Air Power" taught me that way back in the day. Was one of my favorite books, when i was 10
The other pilots were Top Gun pilots who were the best of the best, but the scenes Tom cruise displayed were scenes where the best of the best were even in awe of what he could do. So this perspective should come from one who is above the rest. Maverick did what even top gun pilots thought was impossible. So an average 'top gun' fighter pilot couldn't do justice in reacting what happened in the scenes. Ps: Thank you for your service.
The thing that makes both Top Gun movies a ton of fun for me is how they were filmed in real aircraft with the actors (in the rear cockpits) experiencing real G maneuvers. With CGI and $$ realities of today, I doubt we'll see production values like that much any more. It was cool that the sequel was at least as good as (and true to) the original. Thanks for this video.... Now - "I feel the neeed!"
They've used a _ton_ of CGI for Top Gun: Maverick. In some scenes, all that's real are the pilots - everything else, the background, the planes, the _cockpits_ - are CGI. I mean, they are no flyable F-14s today, and no Su-57s either, right?
@@Jan_Strzelecki to be fair there are active duty Su-57's, but not many and they are all russian owned - I dont think Putin would be willing to turn over a few and the pilots for a movie, especially one where his planes are depicted being destroyed by a long decommissioned adversary
On the Mach 10 ejection...there's theoretical and real info on Mach 3 ejections from the SR 71. Theoretically the pilots would reach a temperature of 230C ejecting at Mach 3, which their suits could handle, who knows what temp Mach 10 would result in. Realistically - the pilots had to keep their bodies within the confines of the ejector seat when the left the Blackbird at Mach 3, otherwise the 'wind speed' hitting them would tear them apart. One pilot ejected, his arm got dragged outside the protection of the seat, and he describes HIS ARM as "spinning like a windmill" in the air.
For example soviet MiG-25 catastrophe: low altitude, system control malfunction, incorrect speed indication cuz real was much much more higher. Ejecting. Extremely wind stream at low altitude. Multiple fractures. R.I.P.. For hypersonic - capsule ejecting maybe (something like F-111).
@@Coyote27981 I'm unsure that'd even do the trick. If you read about the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster it shows the massive issues even being inside a crew pod.
Sir, I like your take on Maverick leaving Hollywood in the original Top Gun. Yes, wingmen need to cover one another; that's why you have them. However, in that scene, as you pointed out, there was the other unseen enemy: Viper. That aircraft has to be sighted and dealt with.
I went to the cinema to see it twice. The second time was to confirm if what I thought the first time was correct. The huge g forces would only be felt during the turn phase when pulling back to climb out of the chasm, that turn would only take a couple of seconds. Once climbing, the aircraft would be flying in a straight line, so the only gforces would come from the acceleration of the aircraft. In the movie, they were feeling it for the whole duration of the climb, nearly blacking out at the peak.
Going from memory here - and I wouldn't expect him to know it - early on, the F-14's ejection system was dangerous to RIOs due to the timing - it was fairly similar to what happened to Goose. As I recall, a small change in the timing of when everything went off improved survivability.
From what I hear, the F-14A is pretty quick to go into a flat spin during a flameout because of the engines they used and the angle they were mounted out and the spin was hard to recover from. It was a problem they fixed with the B model.
I like to think the reason Cougar asked for permission to fire was because the stress got to him and he lost himself, his cool, the ROE then panicked. which is shown so well in the following scene. I like to think Cougar was king in training but never mentally prepped for that first real enemy. He lost it first real time out.
@@johnwanderin3872 Cougar asked for permission to fire first, (Because the bogey was all over him) then the air wing commander reminded him of the ROE "Do not fire until fired upon
Dave's amazing at this. Like someone already commented, he knows the difference between what would really happen vs. the movies, but he appreciates what the movie does or tries to do. Also, you can tell he definitely knows his stuff, and he really likes the subject and the movie.
I loved that his critiques that were informative, but not hateful toward the movies. He seemed to to understand that movies are entertainment, and a little license, or leeway, is necessary.
Good Deal Dave Berke ... is ... flipping ... awesome!!! This guy is phenomenal! So knowledgeable. Such a good speaker. Such a great guy! One of my fav dudes! Great interview! 🤓👊🔥
Sir, I forgot to comment on the Dark Star scene. CW Lemoine, aka Mover, thought that the scene was unnecessary, and it didn't add anything to TGM. I disagree. I not only like the scene; I think it's very necessary for setting the stage for a more mature, others focused Maverick. Why do I say that? If you'll remember, when Mav was about ready to take off, RADM Cain pulled up to the gate. Hondo told Mav; he said that it wasn't too late to stop; and that he knew what would happen if he continued the flight. I LOVE Mav's reply! He said, "I know what happens to everyone else if I don't," thinking of his colleagues in flight control. He went through with the flight to keep Dark Star viable, and to help his colleagues keep their jobs. We see Mav doing this over and over again in TGM. He's hard on his students, so they'll be adequately prepared for the mission. As he said to Cyclone, he wanted to prepare them so they could not only do the mission, but they'd make it home too. He "borrowed" the F-18 to prove that the mission could be done, and so he could lead it himself. Finally, he took the missile for Rooster. While Maverick still does what Maverick does; while he still lives up to his name; he does so not for himself, but to help others. That's why I say he's a more mature, others focused Maverick. Before I close out, I want to return to the point about Maverick wanting to lead the mission himself. I LOVE THAT! Like General Patton of WWII, he didn't want to be at the rear; he didn't want to be safe. No, he wanted to be at the front, to be the point of the spear leading the way. That's what a real leader does; he leads from the front, putting himself out there along with his men. Finally, who couldn't love the dynamic between Maverick and Iceman? That choked me up! I love the friendship between the two of them. I love how Iceman never forgot how Mav had saved his life when they were young pilots, and how Iceman had looked out for Maverick; he was Mav's guardian angel.
7:50 Well Pako in his interview with Ward Carroll stated that the GBU-24 Paveway III has several delivery modes and Rooster was using a point and shoot attack which had the bomb glide to the Velocity Vector which is in fact shown in a movie and probably more realistic than 99.9% of people realized.
There is actually a story of a blackbird (IIRC) test pilot having the plane dissolve around him and survive due to the seat autodeploying a parachute, and it luckily survived enough to do that.
Would probably have to bring up the numerous times they opted for movie magic over his realistic suggestions and might not be a great look for any of them. But, yeah, it would have added an extra layer of intrigue no doubt.
5:20 The other reason to roll inverted and pull is that the human body can tolerate positive gees much better than negative. Rolling inverted means you take positive gees to pull your vector back down.
When my grandfather, who was a WWII pilot and a commercial airline pilot who kept up on everything aviation, took me to see Top Gun in the theater in 1986, his complaint was that even he knew SOP for a flat spin in a modern fighter was to release a drag chute to help recover. I was surprised the pilot here didn't mention that.
Thank you for your service! Nice to see another military pilot give realistic ratings to things. I was a pilot in the AirForce, my plane was the F-16. I wanted to get ahold of the Raptor YF-22 but I never made the rank to get into those before I left.
Please note that what I say here isn't meant to be down putting, inflammatory or abusive in anyway; and is just my two cents on this:
The F-111 ejects the entire cockpit, this is probably what occurred with Maverick's Darkstar experimental aircraft. Did Dave watch the entire film, or only the clips? The reason they went under the bridge was because, if they went over it they would have exposed their presence to the multiple AA Missile delivery systems; so they had to stay below the cliff line and this included threading the bridge. Unfortunately they didn't add chaff with the flares, chaff is metal confetti that's designed to confuse radar guided missiles, and it would have looked awesome to see plumes of chaff reflecting the light of the flares. It probably would have cost money to simulate it "dramatically" enough in post, so they just went with flares only, everybody knows what a flare is and what it does. The SU-57 Felon is a piece of trash. With what we have seen in Ukraine, it's all propagandaish horse hockey. I have no doubts it can maneuver like that, but it's put together like a cheap Chinese radio with loose fittings, exposed rivets/bolts/screws, and that's just what we can see on the surface; god knows how bad it rattles on the inside. The radar tech on it is probably mid grade at best and could still get confused if the target is at lower altitudes. Of course we won't know for sure until we recover a shot down one or someone decides to tie a bow around one and deliver it to our front doorstep. I love how he's talking about missiles, but they show a picture of a Paveway Laser Guided Bomb. There were problems with early F-14 cockpit canopies not fully clearing upon ejection, so this was shown in a great piece of story telling that has gone down in history as one of the most heart wrenching and surprising twists in cinema history. Top Gun inspired me to want to becomes an Airforce Pilot for the RAAF, but it wasn't meant to be. Initial weight issues and a wrong choices in academics left me as a PC pilot and it turns out that even if I had of become a pilot; I would have been grounded for having epilepsy. Only found out 5 odd years ago that I had it. Temporal Lobe Epilepsy isn't the stereotypical drop and shake kind. I get extreme sensations of Deja Vu and can't talk or move, just standing or sitting in place like an android without a battery. It caused a car accident and that's how I got diagnosed with it, after testing. If I had of piloted an F-18 and had a seizure, good bye multimillion dollar aircraft and sayonara me. Thank you for the entertaining video and providing your expertise, thank you for your service and I can't wait to see you in other videos... 😀
Maybe Air Force needs to make its own Top Gun film. I guess they're just extremely terrible at publicity, PR etc, which is why we don't see a cool fighter aviation theme film from the Air Force' all while the Navy has done 2.
My largest gripe with the last dog fight in the movie was a small but visually/audibly annoying problem with both planes firing guns. Both aircraft’s guns had the cyclic rate of a .50Cal. It just looked at sounded like crap for no respond to me. I get it the F14 had a small amount of ammunition from the get go and SU-35 would have burrt the F14 so they had to extend the scene.
The single line that really made me palm slap my own forehead was the bit where Rooster and Maverick are on the Runway in the F14 and Mav deploys the swept wings. He says and I quote "Why are the wings coming out mav?" For a topgun pilot to ask that question is just unbelievably ridiculous. He might not have flown an F14 Tomcat but as a best of the best pilot in the US Navy, surely he knows why the F14 has variable geometry wings. I mean I'm just a welder fabricator with a vague interest in military Aviation and even I know the answer to that! Total face palm moment for me.
As another reactor commented, in that case he isn't asking "Why are the wings coming out" as in that they can move, its Why are they coming out *now*. The next line of "This is a taxiway, a very *short* taxiway" shows that atleast.
Yeah…I think he’s asking rhetorically…as in “Mav, we’re on a taxiway…the wings shouldn’t be coming out now”. He knows the F-14’s wings come out for take off. He’s just shocked at Mav’s plan! But I hear what you’re saying.
@@Purg777 Each to their own but it was clear he was lining up to take off, the runway was cratered, Rooster said so himself. The only option was a taxiway. He knew that getting into the aircraft. But hey, we all took away different things from it, that what it seemed like to me. But just asking the question, why are the wings coming out? what the heck do you think Rooster?! Were taking off buddy! 🤣🤣
i like what you said about top gun 1,and 2 you are the pro,so whatever you said makes sense to me,thanks for grading the scenes,and thank you,for protecting us americans.
I REALLY like this gentleman. The worst episodes of this show are when the guests can't differentiate between a documentary and a cinematic film. And they judge them harshly because they don't adhere 100% to realism. Some of the best are when the subject matter expert understands that there is a distinction between the two and they can allow their suspension of disbelief to carry them to where a good film is trying to take them.
This pilot is the latter. He knows that movies aren't a 1:1 with reality and he can sit back and say "This is still great fun." aside from that. And he even takes a moment to explain that he understands why they did it.
Great breakdown.
You don't need an expert to judge the entertainment value
I prefer when they go hard in the paint, nitpicking it for realism, because I learn a lot more from those kinds of videos. We don't need a fighter pilot to judge its entertainment value, when we can do that ourselves. He should be there to tell us things we don't know.
Exactly what I wanted to say, other pilot reviewers are overly critical and it paints them in a negative light
@@jm-fe1iz I understand that. That hasn't escaped me. By all means, do inform us as to what's realistic about a scene and how it stands up against real life. That's the whole point of the show.
What kills me is when the experts take it personal. I recently watched another episode where the subject matter expert not only talked about how aspects of the film they were reviewing weren't true to real life, but decided to push it quite a bit forward. They immediately went on to say how they had refused to watch what they called the "silly movies" and even refused to give a rating at all. At which point I can't help but say to myself that if you want that level of absolute adherence to realism, then that's what documentaries are for. Not Hollywood dramas. And it's not really fair to judge one against the other because that's comparing apples to oranges.
It was all really negative even though the films the person was talking about were objectively good films in their own rights and they all set out to convey the emotions and mindset that they wanted to portray to the audience. (For instance, one of the films in question currently has a 7.5 on IMDb and a 98% Rotten Tomatoes... So I'm not going off of just my personal opinion.)
Episodes like that one that are so aggressively negative come off very wrong. And I'm just happy that this gentleman is able to say what's not true to life while still being able to sit back and say that a movie still works and is good in spite of its dramatization by Hollywood.
(It also helps that he's actually watched the films in full context as opposed to just looking at a handful of 30 second clips and calling them garbage.)
Appreciate it!
But how would he rate the volleyball scene?
Gay. Very gay.
And I’m ok with that.
@@johnnytransam5894 that was my only complaint with TG: Maverick - not gay enough.
I'm here for the love making scene
8 on the gay scale. Not as bad as the Rocky 4 embracing Apollo in the surf In short shorts Which is fine no issue here.
@@erakfishfishfish They tried to gay it up with the beach football stuff. But they ruined it with women.
This guy is awesome. So genuinely enthusiastic and not only is an expert, but he understands and appreciates movies. Great video.
Right on!
@@GoodDealDave I don't think they know it's actually you responding to their comments😅
@@jxntxn1462ha! I hope they do! I’m trying to keep up.
The way he speaks, can totally tell he was an instructor lol.
@@jxntxn1462I think you’re right. I’m doing my best!!!
Favorite line from the Franchise:
"Your ego is writing checks your body cant cash"
Mav, you got the number of that truck driving school we saw on TV? Truck Masters, I think it is. I might need that.
Classic
That is nit a great line from movie = it is CHEESEY and just used in reference to original top gun
or as Casey Stoner said to Valentino Rossi, "your ambition outweighed your talent."
@arnavbordoloi7878 yup, an absolute bs statement from the guy who the year before had the same thing happen to him at least twice, while on the Ducati. I thought he was great but lost a lot of respect for him after that, I'm sure he loses sleep over over it too. BTW, he's still one of the greats
The guy flew F-18s, F-22s and F-35s.... That is nuts.
And F-16's!
The wildest part is the fact that he did it as a Marine. No other human has his resume.
@@shane7133they do say timing is everything. I lucked out for sure.
@@GoodDealDaveIve seen you on a few podcasts and always wanted to ask you a question.
After a career of legendary accomplishments, is it tough to find fulfilment doing anything else?
@@shane7133not at all. I believe in the mission at EF and have never been happier! But it can be tough for vets…you have to transition to another mission you believe in.
I chatted with a recently retired navy pilot, and his assessment of these movies is very close to yours. Also, his dad was an old navy pilot and I asked him if he ever saw Top Gun, and he said when the movie came out he was actually in Top Gun, the school not the movie.
They didn't mention it at the beginning, but Dave Burke was a Top Gun instructor and eventually ran Top Gun before becoming an F22 and F35 pilot and instructor. They undersold his bona fides.
@@michaelb1761 yeah, I’m familiar with Dave Burk from the JOCKO podcast
We had a guy like that at career day. Same height, weight, and cool blond hair. It was weird but you got the feeling he was a good pilot.
@@michaelb1761 i guess they wanted people to read the t shirt :D
@@fergiebiker Jocko is a goof, wish Shawn Ryan would have him on
This man did a fantastic job. Please bring him back for any other movies involving fighter pilots
Right on!
My man flew F18, F 22 and F35...can you imagine
Bro won at life. Very few pilots have a cooler resume
And the F-16!
The F-18 is a Hellcat, the F-22 is a Ferrari...the F-35 is a worthless Maserati. Even when it's running, it's nothing to write home about and only makes you realize how much better the Ferrari is.
@@justinlast2lastharder749I loved them all. If I’m going to war, I’m taking the F-35. No question about it.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 F-22 Mustang
Alternative title: Fighter Pilot explains why Top Gun is Top🔝
I like it.
As someone who served in the Air Force ( not a pilot ) but supported with AWACS this dude is the real deal. Humble with humility and highly trained. Thank you for dedication and service. We were all safer because of you.
Right on man. Thank you.
Well, he's navy, so... But still, nobody's perfect so there is a point to your statement.
@@monstermegahoschi WATCH IT! I'm a Navy vet too. All I can say is it take IRON MEN for iron ships! Not everyone can do that... 😉
Too bad he didn't mention the ceiling limit, which is higher than that bridge structure they flew thru. If they had flown 'over the bridge to be safe' like the pilot suggested, the SAMS would've spotted them and the mission would have failed. Even if the SAMS couldn't hit them it would've alerted the two Russian recon pilots and they would've intercepted them before making it to Coffin's Corner.
@@michelineparisien good point.
I flew F-16As in the 1980s. I loved the flying scenes in this movie. In my day we were all about low level ingress to popup attacks with dumb bombs. Also, did not have any indicator of AGL level, so it was using the Mk-1 eyeball to be roughly 300 ft on the low level.
The fightin A! I loved flying the slick Viper.
Only ever had the pleasure of flying backseat once, some of the low level flying we seen was insane, 3/4ft off the deck, 50ft inverted between hangers, 10 ft high speed bombing runs. None of it is legal or by the book but they weren't your average pilots. Sitting having a BBQ, surrounded by a semi circle of hardened ac shelters, pilot comes in hot about 50ft, throws it into a high g turn just in front of us, full reheat and deck chairs go flying. Fun times
Retired F14 pilot here, your assessment of Top gun Maverick is spot on I couldn't agree more with your narration of both movies 👍🏿👍🏿
That’s awesome to hear man…appreciate you.
I remember the IR Flare against Radar missiles was talked about when the movie came out, but other pilots had said you normally release both when you see a missile because you don't know which kind of missile it is.... but you can only see the flare, not the chaffe. So it might not be wrong. Great video, he is th most generous expert I've seen on this channel
Accurate!
But you should hear the radar warning receiver going off
The really cool thing about the filming of TG Maverick is that they stuck the actors in the back seats of Foxtrot Super Hornets, so all the scenes showing the actors under G load is entirely genuine, which I absolutely love.
Totally!
Glad he could separate fun from fact and still rate it without being condescending.
Right on.
The F-22: "Would you intercept me? I'D intercept me..."
"I'd intercept me so hard."
It makes me so happy that I see quotes from HLC everywhere now. The man has become mainstream.
@@historicalhijinks3058 I ordered a Buff-Franklin 2024 shirt, and I don't even live in the US.
And we all know that these enemy aircraft belong to Slavic Special Ed.....
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Viper’s “thaaaaats it, thaaaats it” perfectly inflects to the call sign.
I did love when people said the flat spin wasn’t realistic, then the real Vioer (Pete Pettigrew) pulled an actual case file.
It’s real for sure.
@@GoodDealDave I may not have worded it right. I just mean the other people who believe they are right.
I caught an interview with (real) Viper and he even addressed those people who said it could never happen.
@@petere.9138 Totally...you nailed it! It's absolutely a thing
Need a fighter pilot to rate this video for realism.
6:46 Shows the laser designating pod and mislabels it as the bomb's laser detector
13:40 Shows the Thunderbirds and labels them the Blue Angels
17:36 Shows an F-4 Phantom when talking about the A-4 Skyhawk
17:54 Shows bomb dropping when talking about missile minimum range
Normally, I wouldn't expect journalistic editors to necessarily know the b-roll that well, but you had a fighter pilot on the video, you couldn't have had him watch the cut before releasing it?
My goodness. As an AV Geek, these mistakes made me physically uncomfortable 🤢 lol They shoulda had the pilot review the video before release
I missed the Thundebirds part, but strangely caught the F4 Phantom as the A4
I’ll work on it!
Good, I'm not the only one that saw those little errors. If you are going to do nitpiking on movie for realism, you should be sure to not make that same mistake by yourself. :P
@@dominiclemire2540good point.
For the mach 10 ejection, if they had the whole cockpit act as a capsule, and they showed Maverick getting out of said capsule, it would've done wonders for ejecting at mach 10, which is completely ridiculous
Cmon bruh, it's not like the air friction would tear through his suit or anything, pssshh...
Unless that capsule has some way to reduce its rate of deceleration, the human inside is still going to be pasted.
@@JJones-g2f inside the capsule, deceleration wouldn't be immediate and he wouldn't be exposed like with a normal ejection seat. In a normal ejection, you get hit by a blast of compressed air. At those speeds, the capsule could eject from the aircraft and then deploy it's parachute or whatever after it has slowed down or reached a certain altitude, whatever is safer. Sort of like a reentry capsule
B58 Hustler had capsule but Mach 2
Another pilot said that, when the Darkstar started having problems, it would've markedly slowed down, so the actual ejection wouldn't have been at Mach 10. Also, if a crew capsule was used, that would help too.
I remember years ago getting buzzed by an F18 while driving through the desert. An F18 turned right in front of me just a couple of hundred yards above the ground. The blast knocked my car several lanes over, but I still thought it was cool. I was at the top of a mountain, and an A10 went right over me. I was surprised at how little blast there was.
Awesome
Love hearing from Dave Berke. So much knowledge and so many lessons to share. He’s the real deal!
Right on!
1986, i joined the Navy's Delay Entry Program. 1989 i graduated from H.S. and went to RTC/NTC San Diego. Later, I got my duty station CVN-70 as an ABH. I loved it. If I could, I'd do it all over again.
Right on
I like the How Real Is It-series in general, but this is probably THE best episode I've seen.
So incredibly well commented and explained by Top Gun Dave, without ANY condecending arrogance...which can too many times occur when experts in their field review, as in this case, a simple Hollywood-blockbuster.
This was both educational and entertaining all at the same time.
Great job commentic this video, Dave, and thanks for your service (I'm not American, but Norwegian. Still, respect should be shown when and where it's due)
That’s awesome…thank you!!!
I flew the F-4 [CV-64] in '71 (Nam)
THANK YOU FOR THIS SHOW! It's been 50 years for me and lit up the magic in my mind!!
God, they actually paid us to do this!😅
Awesome…I have some traps on the Connie as well. Good living. Thanks for your service.
Thank you for your service.
Dave, as a former navy Vietnam A-4 puke, I must say I enjoy your take on the movie discussion at the opening of Top Gun Mavrick. Too many navy pilots forget it’s a movie and has scenes that are what we call Hollywood. However, with that said when I first saw Top Gun I was blown away especially seeing the A-4 as an adversary. It was a great movie that made showcased Naval Air and navy/marine pilots. I flew for a major airline, and I can tell you, the air force pilots hated it. Envy. They always hated when I brought a copy of the Hook on a trip. Your comments are realist in context that it’s a Movie. Both Top Gun movies, they hit out of the park. Well done Dave
I really appreciate this, and your service. Glad we see it the same too...I wanted to offer some insights into the realism, without losing sight that it was a movie - an awesome one at that. And the sequel was fantastic too. As for the A-4...who doesn't love the Hot Rod! Must have been a blast to fly.
Don't worry, the USAF boys always have Iron Eagle 1, 2, 3 and 4 to fall back on!
@@B-A-Lha! Love it.
Is there hate for the A-4? We love the A-4.
You would love our A-4AR. Too bad those are getting retired.
Greetings from Argentina.
@ love the A-4!
I had the opportunity to take care of a patient post op that was a verified SR 71 pilot. Absolutely, all the staff loved hearing his experiences! I have to admit, he was such a kool guy!
This dude is the real deal. I would highly recommend looking him up on Jocko Willinks podcast, where they go over this movie in detail for almost an hour.
Right on.
Thank you for having Dave conduct a professional review. Semper Fi to all Marines!
Semper Fi
I had the great honour of flying in an RAF Hawk T1 with the pilot practicing low level manoeuvres through Snowdonia (250 feet of the ground). I was broken by the end of it. I suffered grey out at one point. It gave me a greater appreciation of the skill and professionalism of combat pilots, not only to put their bodies through high G but then to be able to engage in a dog fight.
Very cool.
Top Gun vs Top Gun Maverick is a great example of Nostalgia Goggles. While Maverick may be more realistic or even better of a movie, I can't help but pick the original over it. Simply because the music, the F14 Tomcat, and the overall cheesiness of it are so ingrained in my head. Also, no one will ever be able to convince me that anything is more cool than an F14 Tomcat
Even the creators of Maverick knew the F-14 is the undisputed sex symbol of dogfighting...that's why the last 15 minutes of the movie is dedicated to one demolishing two 5th gen fighters in a way not unlike how Mike Tyson will destroy Jake Paul.
Foxbat: hold my vodka
@@outofturn331The Foxbat is a flying turd with massive engines. It has a wider turning radius than Neptunes orbit. Pure commie garbage.
@@samueltheprideofafrikarobi9319oh yeah, the first time I saw TG Maverick in the cinema and watched the mission briefing scene (where they mentioned the enemy having F14's) I whispered to my wife "maverick is going to fly one of those planes", and I was happy to find out I was right.
I know the F14 scenes were unrealistic (a bit fanservicy too) but I don't care it was awesome, as was the rest of the movie.
Not sure why I find the look of the F14 so appealing but yeah I agree with you there 100% (I also think the Ferrari F40 is the prettiest car ever made so maybe there's something in that somewhat utilitarian aesthetic that I find appealing).
FIrst, of all F15>>>F14, in every iteration, variation by humiliation, every day, all day, and twice on Sundays. That's not arguable. That's a fact...
Jack.
So now that we got that out of the way, you 're also wrong about Top Gun being better than Top Gun 2: Son of Top Gun. I don't remember smelling so many cut up onions watching the first movie.
Definitely appreciate his analysis for each scene depicted! I was one of those guys that he was talking about from the 80s that wanted to fly a fighter plane after watching Top Gun! Unfortunately I had a troubled high school life with no direction. Thanks to the Lord I got course correction and didn't end up in prison! I still feel the need for speed on my KX450! 🤙😎
Right on.
I love a little bit of "Won't get fooled again" sneaking in 😂
This is easily one of the most informative and genuinely entertaining videos I've seen in which an individual reviews movie scenes about their field of expertise. If this pilot and instructor (I apologize for not having his name handy) is indicative of the men and women at the controls of our country's planes, I feel very safe and secure knowing they are protecting our country and our freedom. Thanks to him and his fellow members of the armed forces for their service and know that your countrymen appreciate you! Now hit the brakes and watch them fly on by!
Right on! Thanks man!
Hi, I'm back. As a Top Gun afficionado (I LOVE both movies!), I have some random thoughts and observations from both movies.
One, I LOVE the Darkstar scene! Former USAF fighter pilot CW Lemoine, aka Mover, said on his TH-cam channel that he thought that the scene was unnecessary and added nothing to the movie. I disagree. I not only think it adds something to the movie; I think it's very necessary. Why? Because, from the jump, it shows us a more mature, others focused Maverick, something that we'll see over and over in TGM.
In the Darkstar scene, Mav is on the runway about to takeoff when RADM Cain pulls up to the gate. Hondo tells him this, and he reminds Mav that he'll get into trouble if he goes through with it. I love Mav's response, "I know what happens to everyone else if I don't," meaning the program will die and his colleagues in the control room will be out of work. SO! To establish Maverick as someone more mature and concerned with others, I think that the scene adds a lot, and it is very necessary to show how Maverick has changed.
Indeed, we see this from Maverick repeatedly throughout TGM. He's hard on the students not to show off or feed them humble pie, though some, like Hangman, could use some. No, he does it to make sure that they're well prepared for the mission. As he said to Cyclone, he was teaching them "how to come home".
Another instance we see Mav thinking of others is how he "borrows" the F-18 to show that the mission could be done, so he could lead it himself. A real leader ALWAYS leads from the front! He always puts himself out there. He's the point of the spear. One reason why General Patton had such loyalty from his troops in WWII is because he led from the front, something Maverick fought to do, and did, in the movie. Maverick wanting to lead from the front is another example of how, unlike his younger self, he's thinking of others.
The final instance we see Maverick thinking of others is taking the missile for Rooster. I don't know if it was for totally altruistic reasons. I think that Mav is still haunted by Goose's death; he feels responsible for it; and he feels that he has to atone for it. Nevertheless, Maverick is putting Rooster ahead of himself; once again, he's thinking of others.
It just occurred to me that I'll have to do other comments to address the other points I have for both movies. Thanks for indulging me on my comments!
"Just go above the bridge", the radar waiting for the f18 above the bridge: YESSIR
Ha! We will still be ok, there’s no radar tracking us just above the bridge either.
@@GoodDealDaveno that’s literally the whole point of the movie.
@@Yumiko-je1toit’s just a cool scene that’s not very realistic. I enjoyed it, but there’s no situation where we would fly under a bridge. And going over the bridge would not get us shot down…that’s why I rated it the way I did.
@ except it would watch the movie. They’re going below because if they go out of the valley they will get shot at. And you can see that in the movie.
@@Yumiko-je1toI understand what you’re saying. I did this video to explain whether the movie was realistic. In this case, it wasn’t. We don’t fly under bridges. Again…a cool scene, great CGI. Just not realistic.
⏱️ Timestamps by TimeSkip ⏱️
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:09 - Mock 10 Ejection Realism
00:01:48 - Dog Fighting Training
00:03:11 - Maneuvering in Dog Fights
00:04:46 - Low Altitude Pop Maneuver
00:06:39 - Laser-Guided Bombs Explained
00:07:12 - G-Force Effects on Pilots
00:08:50 - Missile Evasion Tactics
00:14:10 - Realism in Dog Fight Scenes
00:18:15 - Target Fixation in Combat
00:18:50 - Jet Wash and Control Issues
00:19:22 - Flat Spin Emergency Procedures
00:20:00 - Ejection Sequence Explained
00:20:40 - Landing in Water Challenges
00:21:20 - Heat-Seeking Missiles Overview
00:22:05 - Maverick's Signature Move
00:22:50 - Dynamic Dogfight Analysis
00:23:21 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts
How did this get made, as soon as this video was uploaded!?
@@APAMVslooks like it's a plugin for chrome that parses a youtube video with AI and posts this. Neat tool
@@APAMVs yea its AI
*mach
*As a retired RCAF pilot/instructor if I see "Dave Berke" I instawatch and click like because I know its going to be great content.*
_I never had the pleasure of flying or meeting Chip but know obviously he is a highly skilled Legend._
Subscribed.
Thanks man!
BEST INSIDER YET!!!! Especially since it covered two generations of the film and multiple air frames.
Right on!
This guy isn't just a fighter pilot and Top Gun instructor. This guy is arguably THE Top Gun instructor.
Ha! Right on.
01:09 i think it would be better if when he ejected the whole cockpit came out kinda like those mechs in gundam
Or like the f 111 aardvark
Or just go hardcore and go through the canopy. Some jets just have detcord snaking through the canopy and ejecting throws you through it. Iirc the Harrier has one of these.
Didn’t the SR-71 have this too?
@@Fabulousprofound168 Nope.
@jordanwiseman9544 I believe the B-1 also has this.
Around 9:00 - I'm not trying to contradict a guy that's actually been there and done that, but the countermeasures against the SAMs show the pilots hitting a button labeled "Flares/Chaff." The chaff would have some effect against the SAMs. From a filmmaking standpoint, chaff doesn't look that exciting on film, so the flares are added just for the visual pop.
I don't think you can see chaff at all on film
Valid!
@pogo1140 You can but it's just a "poof", doesnt look like much
@@KainsAddictionexactly. That’s why the flares were used in the movie. They look very cool.
@@KainsAddiction and in a fast moving film, you won't see it at all
I was an f16 avionics tech, love these vids, spot on!
Boom
Chip Berke is the only human on Earth and likely to be the only human in history to be qualified on the Viper, Hornet, Raptor and Lightning II (aka Fat Amy). What a legend.
When asked which platform he'd want to drive into a hot and hairy sortie, without hesitation he said Fat Amy due to the incredible situational awareness she provides.
Right on!
@@GoodDealDave did we just become best friends? In my mind we did haha.
Jokes aside, thank you for your service to this great country and everything you've done to push military aviation forward.
@@BlyGuy YEP! Ha!...thanks man
I would like to add the guy here reviewing is just so enthusiastic. Personally the balance between realism and fiction is ok as long as you don't ruin the image of that film. Alot of online reviewers should take note of this guys knowledge and passion!
Right on!
Another thing I want to share is my favorite character from TGM: Bob. I like Bob because he's so humble, so unpretentious. He just lets his actions and results do the talking. He talks very softy (if he talks at all), but he swings a VERY big stick! He always came through when needed. His excellence and competence are such that Phoenix totally trusted him; she never questioned him, because Bob is a great WSO.
I like Bob because I'm like him; particularly when I was younger, I was a bit nerdy and socially awkward. I really identify with Bob.
I like Bob because he's a good and faithful teammate who always has Phoenix' back. He was always looking out for her. I like how, in the classroom, when Hangman said no offense intended, Bob got in the savage burn, "Yet somehow, you always manage." He said that sticking up for Phoenix. I LOVE that line!
I like Bob because he's all about doing whatever has to be done to accomplish the mission; with him, it's always mission first, regardless of whether or not he gets the glory. The team know that, which is why they have such quiet respect for Bob.
I agree. I want Top Gun: Bob to be a thing!
Great content really fun to watch.
"You can't hit the breaks"
But you, can't you? As a qualified armchair fighter pilot, DCS has taught me that at least the F/A-18C (and I'm guessing the same is true for the Super Hornet) has a break that works via increasing air resistance. Granted, it's not super effective, it won't let you do what is portrayed in the movie, but it's a break nonetheless.
Indeed. The C model speed brake is hydraulically activated and raises a huge panel between the stabs to slow the jet down. The super just adjusts the flight controls to do the same thing. The switch on the throttle is the same.
@GoodDealDave Ah, so that's where the break switch is (tbf kinda obvious that it'd be in on the stick). Which switch is it exactly?
@@wawawuu1514 on the throttle, right side below the comm switch. Slides fore and aft.
@@GoodDealDave thx. Hopefully they'll an animation for pressing it one day
couldn't stop grinning as he talks about each scene. his sense of humor with the respect for movie making makes it very enjoyable to watch!
"the ejection at the beginning of the movie, would be the end of the movie" haha!!
Glad that came across!
13:39 timestamp. The image shows the Thunderbirds but is captioned incorrectly as Blue Angels 😅
That is the problem with knowing about stuff depicted in any movies. It requires, "the suspension of disbelief." Good review sir. I still love the air brakes scene, I know I know, but I love it.
I love it too!
@@GoodDealDave To be fair, the Raptor can certainly pull that on someone. Still won't be a fraction of a second that has been depicted but the damn thing can out do a Piper Cub in the "slow game" since the damn thing can hover vertically if it needs to...That's still absolutely awesome to see. If an enemy has the misfortune of even making it close enough to one to actually dogfight it, that's when their really bad day gets so much worse. LOL
After hearing all the effort that Cruise insisted on, it's nice to hear that it paid off.
The reason why TG: Maverick is more realistic, is because cruise had the the rest of the cast do some training, as well as use real fighters
Totally
even though they cgi'd the felons they at least had real world aircraft, unlike the obviously made up "mig-28" which anyone, even a kid from the 80's knew didnt exist. "Soviet Air Power" taught me that way back in the day. Was one of my favorite books, when i was 10
The other pilots were Top Gun pilots who were the best of the best, but the scenes Tom cruise displayed were scenes where the best of the best were even in awe of what he could do. So this perspective should come from one who is above the rest. Maverick did what even top gun pilots thought was impossible. So an average 'top gun' fighter pilot couldn't do justice in reacting what happened in the scenes.
Ps: Thank you for your service.
Instructors are certainly much more proficient in the jet than students and the disparity is noteworthy.
Semper fi brother. I was a simple 0811 cannon cocker. You're awesome
Right on. Semper Fi!
The thing that makes both Top Gun movies a ton of fun for me is how they were filmed in real aircraft with the actors (in the rear cockpits) experiencing real G maneuvers. With CGI and $$ realities of today, I doubt we'll see production values like that much any more. It was cool that the sequel was at least as good as (and true to) the original. Thanks for this video.... Now - "I feel the neeed!"
Totally.
They've used a _ton_ of CGI for Top Gun: Maverick. In some scenes, all that's real are the pilots - everything else, the background, the planes, the _cockpits_ - are CGI.
I mean, they are no flyable F-14s today, and no Su-57s either, right?
@@Jan_Strzelecki to be fair there are active duty Su-57's, but not many and they are all russian owned - I dont think Putin would be willing to turn over a few and the pilots for a movie, especially one where his planes are depicted being destroyed by a long decommissioned adversary
Well except for certain directors. Like Christopher Nolan or George Miller
On the Mach 10 ejection...there's theoretical and real info on Mach 3 ejections from the SR 71. Theoretically the pilots would reach a temperature of 230C ejecting at Mach 3, which their suits could handle, who knows what temp Mach 10 would result in. Realistically - the pilots had to keep their bodies within the confines of the ejector seat when the left the Blackbird at Mach 3, otherwise the 'wind speed' hitting them would tear them apart. One pilot ejected, his arm got dragged outside the protection of the seat, and he describes HIS ARM as "spinning like a windmill" in the air.
For example soviet MiG-25 catastrophe: low altitude, system control malfunction, incorrect speed indication cuz real was much much more higher. Ejecting. Extremely wind stream at low altitude. Multiple fractures. R.I.P..
For hypersonic - capsule ejecting maybe (something like F-111).
I am going to assume there is an ejection pod that is shielded to slow the pilot down as the first stage of the ejection process.
For a Mach 10 aircraft, a pod that protects the pilot is the only real option.
@@Coyote27981 I'm unsure that'd even do the trick. If you read about the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster it shows the massive issues even being inside a crew pod.
Sir, I like your take on Maverick leaving Hollywood in the original Top Gun. Yes, wingmen need to cover one another; that's why you have them. However, in that scene, as you pointed out, there was the other unseen enemy: Viper. That aircraft has to be sighted and dealt with.
Thanks man!
Fine! I’ll watch both top guns for the 100th time
Ha! It’s the only option.
I went to the cinema to see it twice. The second time was to confirm if what I thought the first time was correct. The huge g forces would only be felt during the turn phase when pulling back to climb out of the chasm, that turn would only take a couple of seconds. Once climbing, the aircraft would be flying in a straight line, so the only gforces would come from the acceleration of the aircraft. In the movie, they were feeling it for the whole duration of the climb, nearly blacking out at the peak.
You got it. You feel g under acceleration only.
Going from memory here - and I wouldn't expect him to know it - early on, the F-14's ejection system was dangerous to RIOs due to the timing - it was fairly similar to what happened to Goose. As I recall, a small change in the timing of when everything went off improved survivability.
I love Top Gun ‘86 for the sheer fact that we got Hot Shots out of it! 😂😂❤❤❤❤❤
Totally!
Hot Shots... a great American movie featuring a Great British plane!
From what I hear, the F-14A is pretty quick to go into a flat spin during a flameout because of the engines they used and the angle they were mounted out and the spin was hard to recover from. It was a problem they fixed with the B model.
True
Really nice to see a movie fan and real expert tear it up but lovingly do so.
Right on
Always love seeing a video with David Burke in it! Badass video 🤙
Thanks!
I’m going to give the “Blue Angels” caption on the picture of the Thunderbirds a 1/10
Totally fair.
Just casually mentioning he flew "the kid." 😂
Would you "intercept" him?
I like to think the reason Cougar asked for permission to fire was because the stress got to him and he lost himself, his cool, the ROE then panicked. which is shown so well in the following scene. I like to think Cougar was king in training but never mentally prepped for that first real enemy. He lost it first real time out.
I like it.
Maverick asked to fire. Cougar was having more trouble than he could handle throughout the whole encounter.
@@johnwanderin3872 Cougar asked for permission to fire first, (Because the bogey was all over him) then the air wing commander reminded him of the ROE "Do not fire until fired upon
Dave's amazing at this. Like someone already commented, he knows the difference between what would really happen vs. the movies, but he appreciates what the movie does or tries to do.
Also, you can tell he definitely knows his stuff, and he really likes the subject and the movie.
Right on...thank you.
@@GoodDealDave YW! Hope to see you on more of these!
@@SunGawdRa Me too
This guy flew two of my go-to planes in Ace Combat 7.
I wish I could have been so lucky
fellow AC7 enjoyer !
Good times.
PSMs are not combat viable outside the game
I loved that his critiques that were informative, but not hateful toward the movies. He seemed to to understand that movies are entertainment, and a little license, or leeway, is necessary.
Right on!
Always in awe of that jet doing a cartwheel. Amazing
Totally.
I like Mover and Gonky with their “old man BFM” comment
Good Deal Dave Berke ... is ... flipping ... awesome!!! This guy is phenomenal! So knowledgeable. Such a good speaker. Such a great guy! One of my fav dudes! Great interview! 🤓👊🔥
Thanks man...this was fun to do
Thank god they pointed out the sun at 12:30, there’s no way I could’ve spotted that myself.
Ha!
Sir, I forgot to comment on the Dark Star scene. CW Lemoine, aka Mover, thought that the scene was unnecessary, and it didn't add anything to TGM. I disagree. I not only like the scene; I think it's very necessary for setting the stage for a more mature, others focused Maverick. Why do I say that?
If you'll remember, when Mav was about ready to take off, RADM Cain pulled up to the gate. Hondo told Mav; he said that it wasn't too late to stop; and that he knew what would happen if he continued the flight. I LOVE Mav's reply! He said, "I know what happens to everyone else if I don't," thinking of his colleagues in flight control. He went through with the flight to keep Dark Star viable, and to help his colleagues keep their jobs.
We see Mav doing this over and over again in TGM. He's hard on his students, so they'll be adequately prepared for the mission. As he said to Cyclone, he wanted to prepare them so they could not only do the mission, but they'd make it home too. He "borrowed" the F-18 to prove that the mission could be done, and so he could lead it himself. Finally, he took the missile for Rooster. While Maverick still does what Maverick does; while he still lives up to his name; he does so not for himself, but to help others. That's why I say he's a more mature, others focused Maverick.
Before I close out, I want to return to the point about Maverick wanting to lead the mission himself. I LOVE THAT! Like General Patton of WWII, he didn't want to be at the rear; he didn't want to be safe. No, he wanted to be at the front, to be the point of the spear leading the way. That's what a real leader does; he leads from the front, putting himself out there along with his men.
Finally, who couldn't love the dynamic between Maverick and Iceman? That choked me up! I love the friendship between the two of them. I love how Iceman never forgot how Mav had saved his life when they were young pilots, and how Iceman had looked out for Maverick; he was Mav's guardian angel.
7:50 Well Pako in his interview with Ward Carroll stated that the GBU-24 Paveway III has several delivery modes and Rooster was using a point and shoot attack which had the bomb glide to the Velocity Vector which is in fact shown in a movie and probably more realistic than 99.9% of people realized.
Dual mode is a great option
There is actually a story of a blackbird (IIRC) test pilot having the plane dissolve around him and survive due to the seat autodeploying a parachute, and it luckily survived enough to do that.
That’s awesome
My former Captain JJ Cummings was the technical advisor for Top Gun: Maverick. I wish he was on this episode
Would probably have to bring up the numerous times they opted for movie magic over his realistic suggestions and might not be a great look for any of them. But, yeah, it would have added an extra layer of intrigue no doubt.
The guest on here
Right on.
"Guns only, no missiles"
"Okay, how do we score a point?"
"Get a missile lock"
Ha! Radar lock, not missile lock. Having a radar lock helps immensely with the gunsight positioning and is always preferable!
5:20 The other reason to roll inverted and pull is that the human body can tolerate positive gees much better than negative. Rolling inverted means you take positive gees to pull your vector back down.
10:41 Supermaneuver ❌Cobra maneuver. Correct✅ 😂.
Boom!
Khovocher bell maneuver
When my grandfather, who was a WWII pilot and a commercial airline pilot who kept up on everything aviation, took me to see Top Gun in the theater in 1986, his complaint was that even he knew SOP for a flat spin in a modern fighter was to release a drag chute to help recover. I was surprised the pilot here didn't mention that.
No drag chutes in modern fighters. But that would be helpful!
So cool you got CHIP. Dude knows ball.
Boom
Thank you for your service! Nice to see another military pilot give realistic ratings to things. I was a pilot in the AirForce, my plane was the F-16. I wanted to get ahold of the Raptor YF-22 but I never made the rank to get into those before I left.
Interesting
16:18 Richard Bong San Francisco though 😂 he’s SO lucky he didn’t get totally grounded forever (we are as well!) 😂
Totally.
Please note that what I say here isn't meant to be down putting, inflammatory or abusive in anyway; and is just my two cents on this:
The F-111 ejects the entire cockpit, this is probably what occurred with Maverick's Darkstar experimental aircraft. Did Dave watch the entire film, or only the clips? The reason they went under the bridge was because, if they went over it they would have exposed their presence to the multiple AA Missile delivery systems; so they had to stay below the cliff line and this included threading the bridge. Unfortunately they didn't add chaff with the flares, chaff is metal confetti that's designed to confuse radar guided missiles, and it would have looked awesome to see plumes of chaff reflecting the light of the flares. It probably would have cost money to simulate it "dramatically" enough in post, so they just went with flares only, everybody knows what a flare is and what it does. The SU-57 Felon is a piece of trash. With what we have seen in Ukraine, it's all propagandaish horse hockey. I have no doubts it can maneuver like that, but it's put together like a cheap Chinese radio with loose fittings, exposed rivets/bolts/screws, and that's just what we can see on the surface; god knows how bad it rattles on the inside. The radar tech on it is probably mid grade at best and could still get confused if the target is at lower altitudes. Of course we won't know for sure until we recover a shot down one or someone decides to tie a bow around one and deliver it to our front doorstep. I love how he's talking about missiles, but they show a picture of a Paveway Laser Guided Bomb. There were problems with early F-14 cockpit canopies not fully clearing upon ejection, so this was shown in a great piece of story telling that has gone down in history as one of the most heart wrenching and surprising twists in cinema history. Top Gun inspired me to want to becomes an Airforce Pilot for the RAAF, but it wasn't meant to be. Initial weight issues and a wrong choices in academics left me as a PC pilot and it turns out that even if I had of become a pilot; I would have been grounded for having epilepsy. Only found out 5 odd years ago that I had it. Temporal Lobe Epilepsy isn't the stereotypical drop and shake kind. I get extreme sensations of Deja Vu and can't talk or move, just standing or sitting in place like an android without a battery. It caused a car accident and that's how I got diagnosed with it, after testing. If I had of piloted an F-18 and had a seizure, good bye multimillion dollar aircraft and sayonara me. Thank you for the entertaining video and providing your expertise, thank you for your service and I can't wait to see you in other videos... 😀
Great comments…and yes, I watched the whole movie, not just the clips.
I had a similar type of epilepsy. They’re called complex partial seizures.
Navy guys watching Top Gun - 9/10 Gold Perfect Impeccable!
Air Force guys watching Top Gun - Zero zero one zero crap double crap
Ha!
Maybe Air Force needs to make its own Top Gun film. I guess they're just extremely terrible at publicity, PR etc, which is why we don't see a cool fighter aviation theme film from the Air Force' all while the Navy has done 2.
Everyone watching Iron Eagle 1, 2, 3, 4.... wheres the minus sign?
Top Gun Maverick was Absolutely Amazing 👍
Totally!
My largest gripe with the last dog fight in the movie was a small but visually/audibly annoying problem with both planes firing guns. Both aircraft’s guns had the cyclic rate of a .50Cal. It just looked at sounded like crap for no respond to me. I get it the F14 had a small amount of ammunition from the get go and SU-35 would have burrt the F14 so they had to extend the scene.
You mean su57
@@Ste-_. Yes whatever it’s called.
top gun content in 2024 SLAYYY r u kidding my fav thing ever as a TGM stan from day 1
Boom!
Come on man! You didn't rate the locker shower room scene.😂😂😂
Ha!
. Thank you Dave Berke for your service and professional narration.
Right on
Messi.....is that you??💀
The single line that really made me palm slap my own forehead was the bit where Rooster and Maverick are on the Runway in the F14 and Mav deploys the swept wings. He says and I quote "Why are the wings coming out mav?"
For a topgun pilot to ask that question is just unbelievably ridiculous. He might not have flown an F14 Tomcat but as a best of the best pilot in the US Navy, surely he knows why the F14 has variable geometry wings.
I mean I'm just a welder fabricator with a vague interest in military Aviation and even I know the answer to that!
Total face palm moment for me.
As another reactor commented, in that case he isn't asking "Why are the wings coming out" as in that they can move, its Why are they coming out *now*. The next line of "This is a taxiway, a very *short* taxiway" shows that atleast.
Yeah…I think he’s asking rhetorically…as in “Mav, we’re on a taxiway…the wings shouldn’t be coming out now”. He knows the F-14’s wings come out for take off. He’s just shocked at Mav’s plan!
But I hear what you’re saying.
@@Purg777agree
@@Purg777 Each to their own but it was clear he was lining up to take off, the runway was cratered, Rooster said so himself. The only option was a taxiway.
He knew that getting into the aircraft.
But hey, we all took away different things from it, that what it seemed like to me.
But just asking the question, why are the wings coming out? what the heck do you think Rooster?! Were taking off buddy! 🤣🤣
Experts on their own channels: “Would never happen”
Experts on react channels: “Very realistic 10/10”
Ha!
Scrolled by and thought this may be pretty cool… so I came back and watched! Glad I did..
Right on.
Love Top Gun Maverick yeah loving hearing what real pilots have to say
Right on.
i like what you said about top gun 1,and 2 you are the pro,so whatever you said makes sense to me,thanks for grading the scenes,and thank you,for protecting us americans.
Right on!
I loved this movie had me hyped ventilating in the theaters 😂😂😂
Totally