In the Prog Seat: Progressive Metal in the 1990's!
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- Join the In the Prog Seat crew as they discuss the early prog-metal movement of the 1990's, and each pick their favorite 10 albums from that decade.
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Blast from the past. Was at all the Powermads at Tall Cedars, went to the first few Prog Powers in Chicago and Atlanta...kind of grew out of it. Those days on PM and the old ytsejam list were cool. I still remember paying like $25 for Holy Land and Imaginations from the Other Side via Tower Records, not to mention online vendors like Ken at TLE and the guys at the End...CDNOW, etc.
I was at that first ProgPower. Dismal room but such a great show.
My list, for those who wanted text of it
Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace (90)
Auditory Imagery - So Alive (95)
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy (96)
Angra - Holyland (96)
Artension - Phoenix Rising (97)
Spastic Ink - Ink Complete (97)
Pain of Salvation - One Hour by the Concrete Lake (98)
Eniac Requiem - Space Eternal Void (98)
On the Virg - Serious Young Insects (99)
Lemur Voice - Divided (99)
If we allowed ourselves Dream Theater and Fates Warning, I would have had Scenes From a Memory and Pleasant Shade of Gray
Thank you for your list GEORGE 👍💯
Thanks George, much appreciated.
Thank you, George!
Thanks George!
@@georgelamie7001 Thanks for the list George. Nice to hear you're a fan of "Pleasant Shade of Gray" as well. For some reason I prefer later Fates than the 80s stuff. Go figure.
This is so in my wheelhouse. 90's part 2 please.
90's part 2 please. Love this. So nostalgic. Incredible that I learn of some never heard bands here. Thank you for this.
The 1990’s brought us a plethora of progressive metal masterpieces. Bands such as Fates Warning, Symphony X, Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Conception, Vanden Plas, Pain of Salvation, Tool and Threshold.
Awesome episode!
Absolutely! Do part 2 please.
Always like to hear what George has to say about music.
Yes. Please part 2.
Absolutely love the Psychotic Waltz debut album "A Social Grace"!
@yhugjghug those interested may find the Century Media 2CD version, from 2014, on discogs. That's a great version to get, too.
Very humbled to see Vauxdvihl ‘To Dimension Logic’ get a mention.
1989 was a pivotal year for prog. It was exciting & fresh & it was like the flood gates had opened. For us the 90’s started in the 80’s with a series of albums:
Fates Warning -Perfect Symmetry
Watchtower - control & resistance
Dream theatre - when dream & day unite
Voivod - nothingface
…Amongst a handful of others…
Then onto Psychotic waltz’ a social grace & into the ever flow
Cynic - focus
We fell asleep after that..
Thank you thank you thank you. More of this content from the 90s. I was in on almost every one of those albums in th e90s and I bought 90% of it from Ken off Lasers Edge
Great episode, glad to see Glenn on SoT! I thought someone would include Royal Hunt’s Paradox, it is a true classic.
Wow, both Glenn and Ken. I didn't start becoming a customer of Ken's until Powermad, which of course, he pushed Ayreon onto me. So many bands I got into because of his recommendations. Thanks for the memories, guys.
The latter half of the 90’s was the best time of my life, musically. The progressive metal bands coming out of the scene, something I’d never heard until that point, blew my mind.
** Ken Golden is a National Treasure!! The Laser's Edge label was brought to my attention in the mid-90s and they've been a gold standard in prog releases. Just has to mention that! Oh, and the episode was good too! **
Thank you!
My list:
Cynic - Focus
Pain Of Salvation - Entropia
Spiral Architect - A Sceptic’s Universe
Carisma - 1825
Symphony X - The Divine Wings Of Tragedy
Gone - Weakness Within Living Memory
Savatage - Dead Winter Dead
Hydrotoxin - Oceans
Psychotic Waltz - Bleeding
Payne’s Grey - Kadath Decoded
Thanks!
Is Gone worth $50?
@@michaelhein5455 Thats subjective. I think its a great album. Even Glenn agreed. Go listen to it on youtube and decide.
@kengolden666 I'm here for Spiral Architect. Get them back together, Ken!
A part from Dream Theater :
1- Shadow Gallery : Carved in Stone (95)
2- Liquid Tension Experiment : 2 (99)
3- Symphony X : The Divine Wings of Tragedy (97)
4- On The Virg : Serious Young Insects (99)
5- Cairo : Conflict and Dreams (98)
6- Lemur Voice : Insights (96)
7- Enchant : A Blueprint of the World (93)
8- Magellan : Test of Wills (97)
9- Explorers Club : Age of Impact (98)
10- Ice Age : The Great Divide (99)
Strong contender : Ayreon : Into the Electric Castle (98)
Great informative show! I'll be more familiar with prog metal in the 00s (haven't listened to those 90s Vanden Plas albums for example) but I guess this is my cue to check out some of the albums mentioned here 👍
Really enjoyed this episode. Early prog metal is not in my wheelhouse, so I was paying close attention. Well done! Also loved the memory lane stories.
Just got home from ProgPower Europe. Loved this episode. And yes we can all mention lots of names that were not mentioned today, but I picked up a few names I missed in the nineties.
My 10. I haven't lived with the Psychotic Waltz albums long enough to include them yet:
1. Dream Theater - Awake
2. Vanden Plas - Far Off Grace
3. Threshold - Wounded Land
4. Pain of Salvation - One Hour by the Concrete Lake
5. Magellan- Hour of Restoration
6. Fates Warning - A Pleasant Shade of Gray
7. Voivod - The Outer Limits
8. Seiges Even - A Sense of Change
9. Damn the Machine - Damn the Machine
10. Realm - Suiciety
Great episode. Thanks for having Glenn on with your guys. I've been attending ProgPower since day one. It is an amazing festival. Most of my albums were mentioned, but I have three to add to the many great albums released in the 1990's. Of course, this list is different if I include Dream Theater and Fates Warning.
Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace
Cynic - Focus
Vauxdvihl - To Dimension Logic
Shadow Gallery - Carved in Stone
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
Devin Townsend - Ocean Machine: Biomech
Pain of Salvation - Entropia
Threshold - Clone
Opeth - Still Life
Zero Hour - Zero Hour
Yes, a sequel for the 90s. “Please and thank you.”
Great episode! Is a part deux needed for 2000-2010? Goddamn right it is.
Lots of obscure ones I've never heard of, and of course all the classics. One that Old Man Prog out out in 1999 is a favorite I will always champion, Clockwork's Surface Tension. That was the first time I met him at PPIII and bought it from him there. Back when all the dealers would be set up in the concourse and smoking was allowed. That was absolute madness!
For anyone who's never been, PP is a great time. Look at Wikipedia for all the bands Glenn has brought over for the first time, and all the special sets that have been done, it's quite impressive. Even though I'm not a power metal guy, the list is amazing. Some of the best sets I remember, SX playing the Divine Wings of Tragedy and the Odyssey in the same set! FW playing all of the Ivory Gate of Dreams. PoS playing all of Remedy Lane. And Jon Oliva's Pain playing all of Streets! So many more, even AngrA playing all of Holy Land (that ones for you George).
Of course...I was forgetting about Threshold....first and Third album fantastic.
I was an early customer of Ken's back in the day. Pretty sure I got Symphony X Divine Wings, Stratovarius' Episode, first Power of Omens, Payne's Gray Kadath Decoded (Which I still love so much) from him amongst others. I have fond memories of ordering from him for a long time, first on the phone and then over the internet.
I remember my first order from Ken too, Angra - Angels Cry, Stratovarius - Visions, Treasure Land - Questions, and Superior - Behind. The Superior album would def be in my top 10
A few bands and albums to try out there,more episodes would be great.
Great episode. Thanks for all your time. Part 2 sounds great 👍💯
Enjoyed the trip through memory lane. Used to frequent the usenet music forums back in the early 1990s and I was on the YTSEJAM mailing list and it was a great time seeing these prog metal bands in tiny clubs and watching the rise of Dream Theater. I saw Mastermind in some tiny studio in Baltimore. Met the Berends brothers and they were cool. Going through my CDs to see which ones I have. Definitely still have the Cynic, Mastermind, and Vauxdvihl.
I was at that show - Orion Studios, I do believe. Like ten people there.
Oh 90s prog metal. Great Darkwater T shirt by the way.
Ten albums
Symphony X Divine wings of tragedy
Psychotic Waltz Into the everflow
Fates Warning Parallels
Dream Theater Images and words
Threshold Wounded land
Sieges Even A sense of change
Shadow Gallery Cast in stone, Tyranny
Ayreon Into the electric castle
Pain of Salvation One hour by the concree lake.
Savatage Wake of Magellan
Thanks for the shirt compliment!
Thanks to Pete and Ken for mentioning Savatage, I feel like they get swept under the rug often in the Prog Metal conversation because most consider them primarily a Heavy/Power Metal band - which isn‘t wrong, but if you think about it, they started bringing in the Prog elements around the time when Queensrÿche did „Operation: Mindcrime“ and Fates Warning took a similar direction. So, in a way, I‘d argue they had an early influence on the development of the genre as well.
Great episode as usual! Reminded me that I should go and listen to some Symphony X, haven‘t done that in a while…
Hi Glen Harveston. I started listening to Devin at Terria but felt exactly the same way.
Now we're talking! smaller group but that's how I felt in the 90's listenening to it.
Awesome, i've been hoping you guys would do a 90s prog metal show since you did a 2000s show a few years back. Please do more, do a part 2. I didn't really get into prog metal until the very late 90s, though i love most of the better known bands mentioned, its the more obscure stuff that i've taken notes on.
Thanks for this episode ITPS crew! I do lke Prog Metal, but still learning especially stuff from the 90's. I was surprised Opeth - Still Life wasn't mentioned.
I was at that Symphony X show in the motorcycle show room in NJ, but according to Matt from Pharaoh, that was the second SX show in the states, there was one in Pittsburgh before it. Digital Ruin at the same place with like 15 people too, girlfriends of the band included. :)
Tool - Aenima
Voivod - Nothingface
Opeth - Still Life
Ved Buens Ende.. - Written in Waters
Anacrusis - Screams and Whispers
Edge of Sanity - Crimson
Psychotic Waltz - A Social Waltz
Death - The Sound of Perseverance
Quite surprised Aenima wasn't picked.
I love Progressive Metal in the 90s most of the 90s music I listen to is Progressive Metal bands like Queensrÿche Dream Theater Fayes Warning etc.
My Top 10 Progressive Metal Albums are:
10. The Maze Vinnie Moore 1999
9. Still Life Opeth 1999
8. Metropolis 2 Dream Theater 1999
7. None Meshuggah 1994
6. Spirited Alchemist 1997
5. Phobos Voivod 1997
4.A Pleasent Shade Of Grey Fates Warning 1997
3. The Divine Wings of Tragedy Symphony X 1997
2. Images and Words Dream Theater 1992
1. Empire Queensrÿche 1990
Great choices fellas! Wow, the memories - that was a fun music discovery decade. I started with Dream Disc early on and l can't recall how I discovered them, possibly a mention in a metal magazine or on a bulletin board somewhere. It was through there that I started my prog journey - Threshold, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Conception, all those greats. I remember finding Symphony X because I had heard Romeo and Pinnella on the Rush "Working Man" tribute album. I vividly remember thinking, "Who the hell is trading off on these guitar and keyboard solos?!"
You all nailed a lot of the ones that I would echo as favs:
Conception - In your Multitude
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Psychotic Waltz - Bleeding
Evergrey - Solitude*Dominance*Tragedy
Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy
I would also add to my list:
Threshold - Extinct Instinct
Varga - Prototype (I consider this prog)
Damn the Machine - S/T
Royal Hunt - Moving Target
Ayreon - Into the Electric Castle (I know...more Prog Rock but...)
Interesting thing about Savatage's Christmas Eve Sarajevo, it was written by Paul O'Neill and originally given to the Scorpions to do but they didn't want it.Old Man Prog makes a good point about Dead Winter Dead sounding like it was written by Jim Steinmann. I couldn't agree more and have always equated Paul O'Neill and Jon Oliva as the metal Steinmann and Meat Loaf. Famously the first time it was played on the radio was by a legendary DJ here in Tampa, Mason Dixon. I haven't seen TSO in awhile, but they always bring him out on stage to thank him for getting the ball rolling. And considering he was a DJ on a top 40 station makes it all the more crazy.
Glenn! Glenn! Glenn! Good stuff guys. Do a part 2. And so many to pick from in the 90s but Digital Ruin is my pick - damn I loved those guys.
Super jealous of Glenn's plaques. Those are amazing. I'd stare at them all day and never get any work done if they were in my office lol.
Great lists, here are a few that I'd add that weren't mentioned:
Arena - The Visitor (One of my all time faves, straddles that line between prog metal and neoprog)
Lanfear - Zero Poems (I still remember hearing this for the first time in Glenn's basement!)
Ayreon - Into the Electic Castle
Superior - Behind
Time Machine - Eternity Ends (could go with Act II Galileo but I prefer the vocals and songwriting on this one)
Timesphere - Tranquility to Tempest
Charisma - Karma (not to be confused with Carisma, this was a one and done from Germany with great mid range female vocals)
Royal Hunt - Paradox
Poverty's No Crime - Slave to the Mind
Swan Christy - Today Died Yesterday (Band changed their sound after this so its been largely forgotten)
Eternity X - The Edge
Last Crack - Burning Time
Lord Bane - Age of Elegance
Mystere de Notre Dame - s/t
Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosis
Everon - Fantasma (1 cheat from 2000, they had 3 albums in the 90s but this is my favorite, somewhere between neoprog and progmetal, great piano and I love the vocals)
1. Dream Theater- Images and Words
2. Queensrÿche- Empire
3. Rush- Test For Echo
4. Opeth- My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Porcupine Tree- Stupid Dream
6. Symphony X
7. Dream Theater- Awake
8. Queensrÿche- Promised Land
9. Tool- Undertow
Test For Echo ????? It's not metal at all ! LOL !!! By far my least favorite of them !
@@kamranmalik8546 Stupid Dream. That's my favorite PT album.
@@kamranmalik8546 Stupid Dream. That's my favorite PT album.
Quick top 5 without the heavy hitters
Vanden Plas - The God Thing
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus
Cynic - Focus
Ayreon - Into the Electric Castle
Good show gentlemen! I have some more homework to do, I guess! 😀
Elegy: “Manifestation of Fear”
Love all the albums you guys mentioned. Never heard GONE, will need to check that out.
Some others I might have included, Superior - Behind, The Quiet Room - Introspect, Manitou - Entrance, Trivial Act - Mindscape, Lord Bane - Age of Elegance.
Great episode, that Vauxdvhil album is complex and a must hear.
Lucky to have that on CD. Pretty hard to come by I believe.
@jonnyh2667 the 2CD reissue by Century Media, from 2014, may be available on discogs. That's a great version to get.
Shadow Gallery might be in the cards for me as a top 1. For me, the debut is a go to.
In my humble opinion Fates Warning is the greatest progressive metal band of all time.
would love to see a part 2. being from Australia and lack of internet in the 90's I never even discovered bands like Psychotic Waltz until well after I discovered Dead Soul Tribe. tried buying the Psychotic Waltz cd'd but most were deleted by that time. picked them up on latest re-issue by insideout.
Good list, several bands i have never heard of.
I am curious as to why Balance of Power, Threshold and Pyramaze didn't make more mentions?
Pyramaze first album was 2004.
@@georgelamie7001I thought it was much earlier than that. Thank you.
I bought the Payne's Gray album from the band when I saw them live. They opened up for Psychotic Waltz 😊
I also liked these two German bands: Sieges Even and Superior
From the US I would also add
The Last Things - Circles and Butterflies
Lordbane - Age of Elegance
One and done bands sadly
Other "probably" not so known albums:
Catharsis - Pathways to wholeness
Elegy - Labyrinth of dreams
Inner Strength - Shallow Reflections
Leviathan - Riddles Questions Poetry & Outrage
Saviour Machine - I & II
System Addict - Sickness & Wealth
Real time: Oct 9; Congratulations NLDS Champs, New York Mets!!! Not sure why I was rooting for them as they're a bit of a bitter rivalry here in St.Louis (started in the 80's).
1. DWOT- Symphony X
2. I &W - DT
3. Wounded Land- Threshold
4. Fates Warning- Parallels
5.Shadow Gallery Tyranny
6. Symphony X - The Damnation Game
7. Conception-Flow
Many more.
No, no, no! You had Symphony X on the UKC power metal show the other day. You can't use it again! lol.
@@georgelamie7001 lol
@georgelamie7001 they are my brothers. I gotta do it.❤
@@TeddyB-gw5gx I&W got me through the DT door, but Awake totally tops it for me.
Fates Warning 🎶
Watch Pete's Zero Hour ranking and his interview with Jasun Tipton great stuff.
Ice age. Either if the first two albums are amazing. Also shadow gallery’s sophomore album
To me: first two Magellan albums, first two Enchant albums, First and third Shadow Gallery albums, second Cairo album, Siegs even, first and third Ayreon album (if we conder Ayreon prog metal)...one is missing. Pain of salvation Remedy lane probably...
That came out in 2002
Tool is probably the only band that fits the bill that i had cd's from in the 90's.
Knew Ayreon and Dream Theater but only bought (some) of their albums in retrospect. Don't like most prog metal. Recently i bought a cheap-shit cd of the previous Evergrey and still don't know if it's my jam.
And yesterday i bought the new Blood Incantation. Like it.
But great to hear discussions about music after the 80's.
A great diversion from the classic 70's and 80's.
I don't like Fates Warning, nor Queenryche, but I greatly respect their relevance and impact within the style. Already Dream Theater is one of my favorite bands - although I don't listen that much nowadays - in many moments DT is definition of sterile prog for me, and certain albums seems to have always the same formula; it's about the money and their big record label, music is well written and they play it amazingly, sure, but certain record are rather unimpressive, predictable, uninspired; comparing to their early works such as Images & Words - and Labrie's voice is just an absolute no, at least for me. Now, Symphony X (with Russel Allen) is my favorite band of all time. For me, I mean, personally, Symphony X must be included in the top 3 greatest bands of Prog Metal, along with DT.
My favorite album that came out in the 90's is Divine Wings of Tragedy, by Symphony X. I could elaborate a lot on why it's the album I like most from the 90s. Let's say it's really very special, for a variety of reasons.
Other albums:
Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus (if only the production was better it would make a lot of difference and elevate this album much more)
Meshuggah - Chaosphere
Meshuggah - Destroy, Erase, Improve
Royal Hunt - Paradox
Spastic Ink - Ink Complete
Evergrey - Solitude, Dominance, Tragedy
Conception - Parallel Minds
Sonata Arctica - Eclíptica
By the way, super cool episode, Pete. Prog Metal is my favourite genre of music. More episodes about this style and interviews with bands, musicians and producers involved.
Ken: Will we ever see Twilight in Olympus and Mythology V from Symphony X released on vinyl?
Not sure who has the rights
I thought someone would have mentioned fates warning or Meshuggah. I love parallels by fates warning.
@@eliunger16 Pleasant Shade of Gray for me.
It was mentioned that Fates Warning(as well as Dream Theater and Queensryche) were speciifically left off, as everybody that cares about the genre already knows them.
@@georgelamie7001 I must have missed that part myself. I was a bit late.
I think the first Shadow Gallery album is so much better than the second. Too bad it did not have a proper production.
ETERNITY X - THE EDGE
Was on my long list
@@lasercd7851Perfect for the next show, although opinions are divided, it’s either a conceptual masterpiece or cheesy. I’m on the masterpiece side.
I thought '90s Prog' was going to be bands that had a 90s prog sound (i.e. DT clones). Bands like Divine Regale, Quiet Room, Dali's Dilemma, Altura, etc.
Is it good or bad for you that wasn't the focus?
@@georgelamie7001 Not bad, per se. I was just kinda excited at the idea of hearing them talk about such a specific 'genre', if you can call it that.
@@The7thCynic FWIW, I liked all 4 of those debuts.
@@georgelamie7001 Same here. I was hoping to hear of more that maybe I missed.
Some 1990 extreme prog albums I like:
Demilich-Nespite 1992
Pan.thy.monium -khhooohs 1993
Phlebotomized- Immense intense suspense 1994
Ved buenes ende-written in waters 1997
After watching, I'm kinda shocked no one picked Royal Hunt. I figured someone would pick Paradox. A couple more obscure ones are Aztec Jade and Greyhaven.
If I am gonna include an extreme metal with prog tendencies then I have to pick Blut Aus Nord "Memoria Vetusta I". To me Control Denied was a pale imitation to Nevermore, in this case I would have picked "Dreaming Neon Black" instead.
Meshuggah's Destroy Erase Improve is by far the most creative and visionary progressive metal album of the 90s, far more so than anything Dream Theater has ever done.
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Sieges even!!!
Opeth morningrise is high up on my list
I would love to see your favorite prog albums from the 80s.
Worst decade for prog, by far
@@PatLBestEver A lot of great avant-prog and zeuhl in the 80s like Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, eskaton, Serge Bringolf... I guess your not into those bands?
I think your choices are much more metal than prog ;-) What i caled, and was called at the time Techno Metal.
That’s why it’s called prog metal….cause it’s metal.
Not prog in the 90s. Prog metal in the 90s.
No Enchant?
Never really saw them as metal.
@seaoftranquilityprog You have a point, but where else would they fit? I just would like Enchant to be recognized by your audience, and to give them more exposure (loved you ranking show of them Pete) Your show is right in my wheelhouse, but I still discovered several more obscure acts. Thanks so much for the recommendations, and kudos to everyone involved.