In the Prog Seat: Album Study 'Genesis-Trespass'
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- Join the In the Prog Seat crew as they go in depth on some well known & obscure classics. Today, it's Genesis 'Trespass'. #genesis #trespass
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As a Genesis fanatic who was listening to Trespass today,imagine my joy at finding this High Fidelity nerd roundabout.Loved every minute.
I just love the fact that there are people in this world who care about this stuff as much as I do. Thanks gentlemen!
Amen!
Thanks Pete and the team of In The Prog Seat - this happens to be my fav of the Genesis catalogue.
Can't watch the show live , but I'll definitely watch it later. Genesis are my favorite Progressive Rock band.
So great as usual - absolutely love this crew! 😊
A fine show lads. Opened up a lot of doors and not solely on Trespass. Luis was on fire...felt a tad sorry for Ken trying to keep him in check. An impossible task! 😄 Saw Genesis performing The Knife, in Glasgow, October '73. The only number from Trespass on the show. I was almost 14. Wish I could capture that moment again...sigh...
See y'all in a fortnight...gives me time to find my commemorative Luis head bandage...🤕😄
Nah. Letting Luis run wild is fun. I just sit back and take it all in.
@@lasercd7851 Haha. Y'know Ken, this morning I was thinking "maybe Ken just set the pins up for Luis to go bowling"...then I looked here...seems I was not wrong... 😄😄😄
This for me is their first album ,from genesis to revelation is crap,but what a transformation a year makes.trespass is just superb,not a duff tune ,8 out of 10
If you meet a Lady and she tells you Trespass is her favorite Genesis album marry her. This is the Genesis Album for the Real Genesis Fan. Fantastic record! Good to see some love for it!
An underrated album in the prog rock world, ‘Stagnation’ is a such beautiful track on this album and personally my favorite off this album along with ‘The Knife’
This is truly a fantastic album, which never gets mentioned as one of the greats. Genesis have made so many classics, this one unduly gets forgotten.
It's a beautiful pastoral album. Great songs, and a willingness to experiment. A lot of it driven by Ant, and Banks. To me it's perfectly in line with Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, SEBTP... all a logical progression between records. All have pastoral elements that started with Trespass. And Ant helped write some of the songs that would be recorded after he left the band (The Musical Box being one of them). The band themselves have always mentioned how it was Ant who really was the most driven member in the early years. I love all of the songs including Vision of Angels, limp wrist and all... Ken & Luis you wackos ;) The Knife BTW... was still played as an encore on the early 80/81 tours. Also regarding FGTR... I love that record too. Listen to the Mono version, which doesn't have as much sappy strings added. If you don't view it through the lens of the later albums, and to think they were still in school when the wrote it, it's a fairly remarkable album with some great songs.
Loved this show, guys - “Trespass” is one of the most underrated albums in rock history, and “Stagnation” and “The Knife” are two of my all time favorites from Genesis :)
I agree regarding "Trespass", "Stagnation" and "The Knife".
I really like Stagnation and The Knife, but my favourite song on this album is White Mountain.
To me Trespass is the first of an 8 album run which is the best in rock history and it is a vastly undervalued album which lays the groundwork for the even better albums to come.
Anthony Phillips loves the direction Genesis went to after his departure. Selling England By The Pound is one of his favourite albums and actually one that he would have loved to be part of.
Kudos to Ken for picking this magnificent album. 👍🎶🎵🤘
Great show as I hugely enjoyed everyone's company. The chemistry is supreme.
It's the first album of Trespass that got me into Genesis and had gotten it from a library sale and have today of the vinyl and the album I made on cd of the album. So have it and for a very long time. It's a masterful forgotten gem. White Mountain Stagnation Dusk The Knife. A real great easy listen from start to finish for me.
OMG! Prog Albums We Can't Stand: Part II! This will be epic, and George is going to bring the FIRE again LOLOL
Fine show chaps. A couple of points that I would like to mention
“Visions Of Angels”. I have always loved this song. I looked up the word pastoral and it said " pleasingly peaceful and innocent". That may describe this song for me. I feel that there is a beauty and simplicity of composition that may have been lacking from some of the later songs. I will not get into who was better, but I feel that when Anthony Phillips left the band, they lost a lot. They gained something with Steve Hackett, but they also lost something.
I am not saying compare this to Steve Hackett, but just listen to Anthony Phillips - "God If I Saw Her Now" (Phil Collins is one of the singers). There is a fine “pastoral” beauty there. For me, it is one of the greatest love songs - even though the meaning is actually quite strange. I wonder if Genesis ever achieved anything like this.
Keep up the good work.
I skip that one
Great topic for a really great album. I went to the Genesis Convention at the Astoria in London in, I believe, 2006 and John Mayhew and Anthony Phillips were in the merch booth and signed my Trespass cd book. Both super-nice guys. Mayhew even played on The Knife with the closing band, Regenesis. Cheers Guys!!
I saw Genesis perform White Mountain in 76 with Bruford in the drum seat. I think The Knife really signals the direction Genesis were moving to with Nursery Cryme, especially the guitar work.
I'm looking forward to this one. "Trespass" is possibly my favourite album by Genesis, and barely anybody ever mentions it.
I agree
Thank you Pete and the SoT Prog Gentlemen for doing a deep dive study in an underrated Genesis album. My favorite songs are White Mountain, Stagnation and The Knife. imho it would be an interesting future ITPS episode that does a deep dive on the influence of early Genesis and their touring with Van der Graaf Generator and how each band and artist may have influenced the other band as well as the influence of their early touring within Italy. I have family matters this evening but I am looking forward to reviewing the episode late tonight.
One of my favorites Sal! Visions of Angels, The Knife… man Anthony Phillips plays such a beautiful guitar… cheers
It was Ken’s choice. He did good!
@@lahloonatic the professor
For one ☝️ of the few times, wasn’t able to watch live, but after watching just now , another super fun/ informative show. Not surprised by that. Thanks to the big panel who I also see in the live chat. 👍💯
Side note. Mick BARNARD left GENESIS, became a successful audio engineer, formed Bel Digital audio Co in 1️⃣9️⃣7️⃣5️⃣ as CHUCK stated. He played a total of 3️⃣0️⃣ shows and 1️⃣ television show. His concert timeline was 11-3 - 70 to 1-10-71. 👍💯
I saw Steve Hackett playing a nylon string classical guitar in the children’s books corner of Monroeville Borders Book store. He was simply unbelievable! I was one of the 150 that was blown away!
I had a similar experience seeing McLaughlin touring live with the Labeque sisters (early 80's) where at one point he pulls out a stool & sits cross-legged in front of the stage playing a classical nylon string - AMAZING!
Pete, thanks so much for everything. I look forward to these episodes every 2 weeks. It's definite must-see TV.
So nice knowing there are others that love this music like I do.
Trespass is my favorite Genesis album. I bought it when I was young, before I heard any of their other ‘70s albums, and it’s still in my blood more than any of those others are. When I first heard it I was immediately struck by The Knife, but the rest made an impression too. I don’t always warm up to Gabriel’s vocals, but I like his soulful voice on Looking for Someone. And I especially love the story and music of White Mountain. Many years later I finally figured out that if I liked Trespass, I needed to listen to Anthony Philips’ solo work, so I’ve done some digging there and want to do more. Really enjoyed this discussion, guys - thanks!
Absolutely excellent show, I really like Trespass, it’s not my favourite album by them, but it’s a good solid album, big thanks to everyone, looking forward to the next show.
bravo, extremely informative and entertaining, thanks to all
Nice album Trespass is. But honestly not a masterpiece as follower Nursery Cryme. All Hackett era albums better for me. Looking for someone guys desperately tries to be 'complex' and 'unconventional' but they still not mature enough. And yes Phillips first solo album The Geese and the Ghost a nice album too but lacks some dynamics I think. Two Collins sung numbers are the highlights particularly God if I saw her now.
Trespass is an amazing and beautiful album that certainly deserves more attention.
Yes, the origins of Genesis are very posh. The three Charterhouse boys in classic Genesis (Gabriel, Banks, Rutherford) are probably by far the poshest of all rockstars. There are quite a few middle-class prog musicians but those three were British ruling class through and through. I think Gabriel resented his upbringing most, but all of them certainly wanted to escape that life and rock and roll was their way out. Steve Hackett I think was middle-class but Collins was the black sheep with his working class roots, and he's said to have brought a more grounded, easygoing attitude to the music which would help balance out the intensity of those recordings.
Great and fun show as always.
Trespass is the first of the seven stones.
I always enjoyed Visions of Angels if only because of the weird out of synch vocals during the chorus, coming in at slightly different times. That's sort of proggish. It also has some nice dynamics with swelling build ups. White Mountain bothers me just a little because it's the same chords over and over, very un-Genesis-like, and a bit lazy by their standards, but the story is so good I quickly forget that. Everything else is spectacular, even Dusk.
I bought this album when I was 15 and Trespass was the album that really got me into prog rock. For me, it was the greatest era of music and it still is my favourite type of music. Pete, I love listening to you and all of your buddy's talking about prog rock. Your insights are amazing to hear. Thank-you guys.
Great show! Love the early Genesis discussion, Trespass a hidden gem in the Genesis catalog imo!
It's a great album. I would put it about number 5 of my Genesis albums.
1. Selling England by the Pound
2. Foxtrot
3. Trick of the Tail
4. Wind and Wuthering
5. Trespass
6. Nursery Cryme
7. Lamb lies Down on Broadway - didn't get the lyrics, story too weird although much of the music is great.
I did Not like this album when I was first listening to it until I heard the knife, Then I began to listen to this album with more Interested and now the album gets played by me more than a lot of their other albums. it is such a fine start to a wonderful music writing progressive band
This was my first time hearing PG with Genesis in 1988. I was already a PG fan, however never heard him with Genesis. I was able to start from Tresspass and then forward. Always will hold a special place in my heart. I listen to it at least once a month since 1988.
Btw:.. Best album to put on if taking a nap!
Oh my...pumped beyond pumpdom for this one! This is a Ken pick, right? Bring. It. On. 👍
"I'm sure that the loudest 12-string you ever heard in Genesis was Tony Banks." hahahaahaahh
On my phone the Google calendar reminder tone is the first 3 notes of "Visions Of Angels". Then it gets stuck in my head.
Just finished listening to the whole album! Can't wait!
I didn't have time to watch the whole video (yet) unfortunately, so I don't know if this got mentioned. One of the most interesting things about Trespass for me is that Peter does not yet have the gravelly flaw in his voice that is prominent in subsequent albums and is almost (to me) a trademark of his sound. As I understand it, Peter pretty severely injured his voice screaming while doing The Knife live and as this album was recorded before that you can hear a pure tone that he never really had again after this album.
The mention of Armando Gallo reminded me of a funny story. Back in 2008-2010, I lived with my wife and then 5-yo son in West LA. One weekend my son got invited to a birthday party for one of his kindergarten classmates. My wife offered to take him, and I took her up on the offer because there are few things in life I'd prefer to avoid more than a dozen screaming five-year-olds. An hour or so later my wife calls me and says "You'll never guess who I'm talking to right now -- Armando Gallo -- I'm at his house. You wouldn't believe all the Genesis memorabilia he has on his walls!". Apparently Armondo was the grandfather of one of my son's classmates and the party was at his house. I was so jealous! The screaming children would have been SO worth it to have met and chatted with Amando Gallo!
Anyway, thanks for doing this video and I hope to have a chance to watch it in its entirety soon!
first 3 Genesis albums vs 1st three Rush albums vs 1st three Yes albums? by the way guys not sure if your aware but the BeeGees we not only disco. They had a full pop career un the 60's way before disco. they have also wrote over 20 hit singles for other artist like Islands in the Stream for Kenny Rogers and Dolly Parton. So when genesis was recording From Genesis to Revelation the Bee Gees were on the radio big time. Listen to Massachusetts. Nothing like Staying Alive!
That's exactly what we were referring to with the first Genesis album. Jonathan King had them writing Bee Gee-ish pop songs.
@@chutch15 I thought that's what you meant at first however Louis made a reference to The disco age of the Bee Gees, hence my comment.
To me those 1st three Yes records are wonderful, the early Rush not so much (some of the songs weren't 'fully cooked' yet & Geddy's vocals were a bit rough)...
Hope George is locked and loaded and ready to trash some more popular albums in the 100th episode
i treat all Genesis-albums from the 1970 -1975 -era with the SAME RESPECT as a listener and fan - for me - that`s my opinion - all 5 albums are on the same level.
Love this LP!!! I'm not sure why the "dislike" for "Visions of Angels." Before I went back to "study" for your discussion, it was the only tune I had retained in memory aside from "The Knife." (I've seen Musical Box four times and "The Knife" is a highlight...brute force!!!
A very good album. "Visions of Angels" is probably my least favorite track, as I feel it kind of meanders a bit too much without a lot of impact, but I still don't skip it. The other songs are excellent, and I really like the tranquility of "Dusk" just before the excitement of "The Knife".
This set the bar for classic English symphonic progressive rock with quirky, expressive, historical lyrics. This and Selling England by the Pound really standout for me. No one sounded like Genesis in 1970 or ever. Many bands tried and still do. Genesis broke the mold with their five classic releases up to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, my least favorite but still a classic. I look forward to the Study.
'Dusk' and 'White mountain' always have been my two overall favourite Genesis songs! And I dare to imagine that a subsequent Phillips/Hackett line-up would have been absolutely awesome compared to the Rutherford/Hackett one.
...there still is time... for washing in the pool...
I’m a drummer so this will sound biased, but I absolutely agree with Luis that a band is only as good as the drummer. A great drummer can elevate a mediocre band. Phil Collins was a great drummer - not that Genesis was mediocre but the presence of his drums made a huge difference. Gavin Harrison is another case and point - everything he plays on is far better for it (IMHO)😊
Great show gentlemen! I dig Trespass quite a bit and I enjoyed your thoughts and observations on it. They would get even better over the next couple of albums with the addition of Phil and Steve, but the groundwork was laid on Trespass.
Trespass is an album I rarely listen to but when I do I feel it is a stepping stone in their catalogue. It led to Nyrsery Cryme . Stagnation is the standout track for me.
I can't wait for the 100th episode.
Great choice for review. An original UK pressing costs a fortune these days. Excellent review guys. Thanks
When we talk about second albums being the real first ones this comes to mind to me along with fly by night from Rush and Sad Wings of Dystney by Judas Priest where the first album feels more like a foot on the door
Rush first album is a good one.
@@МаксРогозин-е1ю a good hard rock album not really a prog album though
Great album .Better than any of the shit they inflicted on us in the 80s
To me, Trespass is a great album, but even better things were ahead of them with Anthony Phillips and John Mayhew being replaced by Steve Hackett and Phil Collins. Standout tracks for me include White Mountain, Dusk, and The Knife.
I'd imagine the absence of Phil and Steve Hacket doesn't make it do well with some fans, but I think this album is legit core Genesis sound. White Mountain in particular is a blast. There's quite a few good numbers to make it really worth the time.
Very underrated album, good pick! Great to see Anthony back
I love this album and I agree with Chuck, “Visions of Angels” is the weakest song on the album, “Stagnation” is a great song. The song from this session that they performed live only a handful of times is “Going Out To Get You”, the live version is far superior to the studio version, but there are only audience recordings of the live versions.
I F'ing Love This Album. But if I hear "the knife" it's gotta be the live version.
Really enjoyed this episode. Big fan of the single album deep dive.
😂funny. This was one of my favorite “esoteric” albums in high school. Was reading the Armando Gallo Genesis book
Love the cool album cover daddy-O.
I very difficult to compare the players from the ones that recorded Trespass to the replacements, on its release there was nothing to compare with, the same goes for the production, the problem with Genesis is the continual comparison of the Gabriel & Collins years & Hackett. Genesis like all bands evolves with both the music & musicians.
Trouble is they stopped evolving and devolved into a pop group.
Very insightful talk from all of you about a somewhat underrated Genesis's album 🙂.
Fantastic Episode, i can't wait to see the next one I'm prepared to laugh so much. Trespass surely is an underrated album i love It from the First time i heard It just like Chuck. Ty for the Episode guys!
Interesting, but good, choice and a veey good album. Not discussed much perhaps because it is a little harder to find.
Very underrated album ,contains some classic songs ,the knife , stagnation,dusk and the last to feature John Mayhew and ant Phillips .
Love Ken and everybody!
Thank you. I hope we did the album justice.
@@lasercd7851 I went to listen to the album. It’s funny because you hear things differently after a review from professional people and the in-depth analysis. You almost re discover the music. Stagnation! Wow
This is the Genesis album I'm getting into right now, so this is great timing. After this I'm going to deep dive Wind and Wuthering. All the others in between I've hit pretty hard and have my faves and ranking figured out.
For me this album Trespass stands alone in the band's catalog. I liked (some of) it the first time I heard it 40+ years ago. It's very, very dark - Medieval violence; tales from ancient Europe. Tony Banks said it holds a special place in his heart, and the same with me. Even though it isn't the best album, per se.
Awesome, guys, I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THAT TRESPASS IS AN UN-ACKNOLEDGED GEM THAT WAS THE FIRST , GREAT GENESIS ALBUM -that launched their storied career , thanks I a great fun episode- I loved it!!!!
i love this album. i first heard it in 1974 when i was 15 at a friends house who had older siblings. bought it out of the discount bin. bought it on cd. it's a great album. i still love it. visions of angels is weak. stagnation is a monster. it's a great album from 1970. it's genesis becoming genesis. way better then and then they three.
On the 1976 Trick tour " WHITE MOUNTAIN " was on the set list.
In 1996 whilst in England, I bought the newly remastered Trespass. I recall for years that album remained unremastered, and UK remastered copies were not shipped.
When I worked in the record business, 1977-1979 Genesis Trespass albums were pressed by ABC/DUNHILL/ PARAMOUNT....
GREAT underappreciated Genesis album. One could say this was really their "first" album. For me it's got a quality that they never quite matched before or after. "Stagnation" is a HUGE all-time favorite, it's just unique in their discography.
I literally fell in love with Genesis is 1975. Selling England By the Pound and Trespass were my introduction to the band. I don’t think I heard NC & Foxtrot after The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I still have my initial purchase of the LP on ABC records & my CD is Virgin. I need to try to get ahold of the remastered CD you all mentioned. Thx!
Genesis from 1970 to 1977 were an incredible band.
I love all of those albums.
Although the newer remasters have their issues.
The Gabriel era albums definitely sound incredible.
As far as Trespass goes, that acapella intro just grabs me right away.
White Mountain, Dusk, Stagnation and of course the Knife alone are worth the price of admission.
It’s a good album and belongs in every decent rock music collection.
🤘😳🤘
Great episode gents! I love the way you all pointed out the amazing aspects of this album, like the songwriting, that people who malign the album are oblivious to. Too bad Ken is just as uninformed ("Ant's parents' cottage in 1979 " and his dismissive comment about Mick Barnard in response to Chuck's information that Ken was obviously unaware of) as I usually find him to be compared to Pete and his other guests.
KISS didn’t tour the album but did make an appearance on TV with songs from The Elder. “Friday’s” was the show. Larry David was a writer/cast member. One of Ace’s last gigs. Trespass 😍
Thank you so much for creating one of your most informative and illuminating programs. However, I seriously must disagree with virtually the entire panel on your glib bias on the song "Visions of Angels"...Back in 1986, I was at the apartment of my old Art School buddy, Michael, when he spontaneously put 'Trespass' on the turntable - with my mind being blown when we got to the (on repeat) listens of "Visions of Angels" - which holds the entire album together like glue, while pointing to epic classics such as "Suppers Ready"... Most of the songs sound like not fully realized - but promising musical sketches that harken to the future... "The Knife" if anything is MY LEAST FAVORITE SONG!...
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I love this album. It’s 4th best for me, following only Selling England, Wind & Wuthering and Trick of the Tail. I agree with Chuck’s analysis of the songs (consistently strong, Visions of Angels being a bit weaker). I reach to play this more frequently than Nursery, Fox, Lamb or any of the Three Amigos albums.
I do agree however that Hackett and Collins took The Knife into another stratosphere on the live version.
Probably my favourite episode of a brilliant channel, serious and funny all at once.
Every album from the PG era, obviously excluding Revelation, is my favourite Genesis album for different reasons. Growing up in the 60s/70s Trespass for me captures the atmosphere of my childhood in the same way early Floyd does, but in a different way.
I think on Trespass / Nursery Cryme they achieved something they never managed again, every single song above a high quality bar (OK I'm cheating a bit and ignoring Harold The Barrel). On subsequent albums they raised the bar on individual songs, but there were always some duds or mediocre songs on the album.
Trespass can easily start the run of six albums, ATOTT just about scrapes in but W&W has a massive cringe factor despite a few decent songs.
Comparing Trespass to ATTWT should be a criminal offence.
Visions of Angels was quoted on Seconds Out as well.
With the exception of From Genesis to Revoltlation & Calling All Stations (which I still personally enjoy) there is not terrible Genesis
Trespass is quite underrated and The Knife is a killer heavy prog song.
Luis is so right about Tony Banks. Truly a great songwriter and a brilliant keyboard player, but a bit of a dick. He was the main reason Steve Hackett left and went out on his own.
I very much enjoyed this ITPS, on the Genesis-Trespass album. This still is one of my top Genesis records.
However, I think that you guys were way too hard on "From Genesis to Revelation." That record despite the pop overtones in some places were the seeds of the Genesis sound.
And the discussions surrounding Meyhew vs. Collins and Phillips vs. Hackett was just apples and oranges to me. I mean like for the Rolling Stones between Jones, Taylor or Wood, it's still the Stones and each has brought their gifts to the table.
And lastly I did take issue with Luis's view of the Genesis sound and mystique. Garden gnomes, English folklore, mysticism and Christian themes has been a constant in the music of Genesis up until at least "Wind and Wuthering."
I also did take issue with Genesis turning into essentially a pop act in the 80s but I got over it and even appreciated a lot of what they were recording. But over all a very good discussion about a great album and band despite all of the F-bombs being dropped.
I saw Genesis on the Midnight Special back in 1973? I had to get an album by them the next day. The only album I could find was Trespass. I have to say it took about 5 listens to the whole album before I got into it. Once I got into it, I wore the grooves off the vinyl. All Genesis albums I bought after that got better and better. It was an important album for me.
Nice show😃👍
Trespass is a very enjoyable album but even as a huge Genesis fan myself I wouldn't say it is a great one .I feel they were still finding their way and experimenting with different music styles and forms. Visions of Angels was a leftover from their first "Pop" album hence it's somewhat lightweight style. The Knife is a great rocker but in retrospect a style they would not really pursue on subsequent albums and I suspect they thought other Prog bands like ELP were better at that style. Looking for Someone is a great opener and one of their first "long-form" compositions. Stagnation is their first attempt at a "story" song with its labyrinthine compositional style and is largely successful although you just can't put it in the same class as Musical Box or Supper's Ready.Even without Hackett or Collins Trespass is still an excellent example of early Prog Rock.
I actually can't get into this band at all, I have this album and I can't play it, it bores me so much.
I personally think its their best album and I think the drumming and guitar playing is great!
the knife wonderful rack! and improved later by Hackett
To Chuck: Going Out to Get You WAS in the Trespass sessions. It was going to be the final song, but then they felt The Knife fit better thematically. And even so, they had to edit out about 5 minutes of Knife - to fit the album's time.
It's true about genesis not being working class,they were posh boys untill Hackett and collins joined, it's very good, but my favourite is trick of the tail
I have found some really early Genesis songs on You Tube apparently from as early as 1967. As Pete said, these songs and the debut are SOOO different from "Trespass". A great choice for an album study Ken 👍
I remember Trey Anastasio gave this album a shout-out when he was inducting Genesis into the HOF.
Genesis would have been just fine if Phillips had stayed
But they wouldn't be the Genesis we know and love, so it'd be a travesty. And this is coming from someone who adores The Geese & the Ghost.