DuroMax XP12000EH - Converting Gas/Propane Generator to Natural Gas (Dual Fuel to Tri-Fuel)
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- This is me trying to figure out how to convert my Duel-Fuel Generator (Propane) into a Tri-Fuel Propane and Natural Gas) Generator. This is for entertainment purpose only, I am not a professional. [Links to kit below]
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Just in case this video was not clear enough, IF YOU HAVE A HYBRID generator, you don't need the snorkel kit. You just a new Natural Gas Regulator that connects to the same/existing Propane port on your carburetor. Your choke placement will differ from altitude, settings, and machine. Link in description for kits that you can buy cheaper. Also, shortly after this video, I did paint my gas meter pipes with RUST-OLEUM professional high performance enamel spray paint to prevent rust.
Now if you have a "gasoline/petrol only" generator, the additional port method or snorkel kit would work best for you.
Great video. I'm trying to prepare for the Summer surprises. I'm wondering about the hook up to the electric panel box of the house. Do I need to buy the cable or does it comes with the generator? Also , Can I power the entire house with that? Thanks
@@elsalvador007 Hey dude u need to buy a 30 amp extension and a double breaker n a threw the wall outlet n a safty switch for electric box theres vids on here about that on yt also
@@raymondj8768 Thanks
Yep, I just got a hybrid generator, designed for gasoline and propane. I just used the conversion kit for my barbecue, which converts the barbecue from propane to natural gas. Just pop the line off my barbecue and popped it on to you the generator. You are correct, you have to adjust air flow with the choke, but it runs great.
Hey Chris, great video with a ton of information! I was wondering if you ever measured the pressure in your gas line? I’m asking because I have a set up that is almost identical but can’t get the engine past a few revolutions before sputtering out. I’m using a similar regulator but am thinking of switching to the exact model you have to minimize variables. The specs listed for that have a pressure inlet between 9 and 13.5 inches of water column. The pressure in my line is roughy 7.5 to 8” w.c. which is pretty standard for residential gas lines into a home. I’ve also read that the gap on the spark plug should be decreased for natural gas because it’s a “dry fuel” and can be a little more difficult to ignite. I was wondering if you made any other changes that weren’t mentioned in the video. Thanks Chris!
*A quiet **Generater.Systems** , love the dual fuel capabilities, camper is 50 amp but the adapter helps and found it still handles the load. Haven't taken a camping trip yet, that's in a couple of weeks. Will see how well it does over a long weekend.*
Yes, but it's strongly frown upon. You have to make what they call "suicide cord" which is like a dryer male to male plug. You also have to make sure you turn off main switch at panel.
@@Mr-Chris ... and make sure all family members know what not to do while that suicide code is in use. The simplest demand is, "don't touch it", but in the case of you being away and your spouse needing to get power back on, you could give more details (don't ever touch the metal prongs of the plug -- they are the equivalent of live wires).
You can, but run the risk of back powering utility power back to your generator should your utility resume if the main is not separated. Too much humor error is in play without proper electrical interlocks.
We have used the th-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
I took what information he provided, did a check with an HVAC mechanic friend. Following that, I bought mostly the items he provided the links to & converted my XP12000EH that I had already purchased from Home Depot last year. After everything was finished the trial run worked perfectly. Now I don't need to worry about buying gas or propane in canisters, it's now running off the natural gas that runs in my house. The Best video I found on this subject & glad he posted it.
Chris, you absolutely rock !!! I just ordered the same generator, I saw a link to your video on the Amazon page, and I watched it twice already. I can't wait to get the generator and convert it to NG like you did. I live in Texas, and any future weather event, hurricane or winter storm like the recent one, can kiss my three letters... Thank you !
You did an excellent job of going over what I feel are most people’s concerns and questions when it comes to using natural gas on a generator. Watched it from beginning to end. 👍🏻
Thank you!!!! I have the same generator and have been wanting to do this for two years. I’ve only used propane but my NG line to the house is only a few feet from my Duromax. I’ll be completing this mod this fall. Thanks for posting!
Excellent! Very well done, I love the fact you didn’t have mess with the carb. 👍👍👍❤️
Thanks for the great video. Was a real help in getting my hose/gas connections right and adjustments on regulator bolt to get it started.
Nice! I appreciate the clear and thorough info. I've wanted to do this as a backup to my off-grid solar.
Outstanding Video, this really shows a neat concept and having any generator capable of using natural gas is the ideal situation. Thanks for showing this.
Thanks for the video. I could not have done my conversion without seeing what you did.
I have a DuroStar ep12000 dual fuel.
It came with a different regulator than your DuroMax (made by the same company). I put a 3/8” quick connect nipple on the regulator inlet. I put a 3/8” socket on the propane hose w/ regulator that came w/ the generator. I bought a 1/2” I’d 24’ hose with 1/2” nipple on one end that connects to the 1/2” socket on my natural gas line & a 3/8” socket on the other end that connects to the regulator.
This allows me to connect either the NG or the LPG hose to the regulator. I can change from NG to LPG to gasoline in a few seconds. Runs great. Truly tri-fuel.
I have the durastar also and want to convert mines to ng. Can you show a video or more info on how to do it.
@@santoscruz350 Santos, It is not that hard. Just get the fittings necessary to connect the NG to the existing pressure regulator. The existing fitting into the regulator (& on the propane hose) is 3/8” flare. So you need 3/8” female to connect to the regulator & whatever to connect to your NG supply.
@@bryanespenschied3583 thank you! so you just used same regulator he showed in video or which regulator did you use for ng
My hero dude. Just bought my Duro Max, still in the box. I want to convert it to use natural gas and this gives me hope it is an option. Thanks for the detailed explanation and information. I will have it done professionally.. mainly cause .. I don't wanna die !
Thanks again for your help 🇺🇲
Follow up My Natural gas conversion is in place and fuel flow is connected all well and seemingly good.
Generator can start and has run for minutes while I try to keep it from stalling. Is there a flow controller to adjust because it stops as soon as I stop depressing the spring behind the regulator. Before the conversion this Generator ran fine on propane. I pulled the spark plug and gapped it to 0.025 inch.per specs provided ... no change in response.
I got the carb kit w/regulator from US carb and it all worked perfectly. Here in Texas you can hook up everything without a plumber. I did get an electrician to wire it all up at the house and now I’m in business. Thanks for the video.
Thank you, I ordered the same gen and gas conversion because of this video. I already have a gas line running out to the back that I will test this on, not sure of the I.D. of the flex pipe but it's about 30' before the quick disconnect.
Wow you had great results. Good job, Glad you posted this, Im sure others will want to go this route.
exactly what I plan on doing. I added a natural gas drop on my back porch just for this!
Great job Chris. When my finances permits, I am considering using the same Duromax generator to work with my self-installed PV solar arrangement. It will be used in an auto generator start/stop configuration.
You inspire me, you are not an expert, it just somebody who try to connect natural gas to a generator, you just try to help, that’s all that counts
Thank you, Christ
I admire people doing By themselves....👍👏 and it works
cant argue with results.. great job man.
I have a Duramax hybrid generator. Designed to run on gasoline or propane. I also have a barbecue with a natural gas conversion kit. I popped the line off my barbecue and threaded it onto my generator and fired it up. It runs like butter.
Extremely well done vid. Thank you so much for posting this.
Hell yeah man good stuff👌🏼 thx for sharing
ALL it matters, it Works
Any Conversion, One must have abilities and Understand All the Necessary steps... I did this kind of Natural Gas Conversion 8-9 years ago before the 2-Weeks freezing in Georgia 7-Years ago and Some people died from the Freezing Temp. Due to Power outage....
..... My parents and my brothers thanks me that I Completed the this Conversion before the Freezing and Power outage.... But they did Complained while I doing the Conversion to Natural Gas.
Very impressive! Nice set up!
I'm doing something similar.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
My power meter is at the front of my house one one side, my gas meter is closer to the front on the other side and of course I wanted my tri fuel generator in the back yard. Added a few hundred to the install, but still happy with the results.
Nice conversion. Mine, same unit, arrives today. I would want to wait until warranty, even as poor as it is, to run out before making the conversion.
Hey Chris, great video. You CAN use your 50 amp outlet if you install a 50 amp breaker in your house service panel with an Interlock switch and a 50 amp inlet plug outside. I did it for about $300. including a 30ft., 50 amp cord. Sell the generlink to pay for the short list of supplies.
Trust me, I've looked into installing a interlock, but my breaker box it's not a good candidate for it. I have a "split bus panel" breaker box which means I do not have a main shut off. My breaker box has a series of shut offs not one main shut off. So it will always back feed into the grid. In order to install a interlock, I will need to upgrade my entire breaker box. I live in a DC Metro area and electricians price gouge like crazy for this service. That's how I ended up with the generlink.
@@Mr-Chris Hey Chris Great Video Seriously Great! Is the Generlink the device between your power meter and the meter panel? I saw that in your video and I said to myself what is it and where do I get it? Thanks Eddie on Long Island
Perfect setup! I like it. :) NG only way to go.
Thanks for the video. I'm a bit late here, of course, but I have the same kit and am in the process of converting a welder/generator for trifuel. I am not a plumber but its seems you already have (had?) what you need to tie into a 3/4" pipe for natural gas supply.
Perhaps a plumber could verify this, but it seems that you can swap the 3/4" Tee coming off the right side of your meter with the nearby 3/4" Elbow off to the right (leaving the short pipe section attached to the elbow). Then you'd have the 'free' open end of the Tee to attach to your generator feed line with the benefit of eliminating a lot of extra pipe connections - plus look a lot cleaner.
Great video! Thank you!
You did just fine sir....I have a similar setup and it is the same.......
Thanks for the video, i've got an A-Ipower duel fuel and am hoping to ditch the propane reg for nat gas. Gasoline for the cottage, nat gas at home. Cheers
Instead of disconnecting the propane setup. Just put a quick connect on a 90° brass fitting to angle the quick connect toward the outside of the generator. Buy the natural gas convertion with snorkel kit with natural gas regulator and extra long rubber hose. Put a 3/4"quick connect on the natural gas regulater. You don't have to take parts off to have a dedicated propane or a deadicated natural gas generator. Have it to where you can plug into either one that you need to run at that time and have a true tri-fuel generator. All you did is keep your generator a dual fuel generator.
@DuroMaxPower I wish your Tri-fuel Generators existed back when I did this as it would be safer and not void warranty. Nevertheless this has been an awesome generator.
Nice job!
great you did yourself as I woulda too, something to think about is the weight on the pipe you installed cause its so long it might crack and hope the city doesn't see what you've done.., but liked the video very helpful as im thinking about attempting it..
Hey thanks for the awesome video! Question, what is the brass plate with the holes in the conversion kit?
I'm looking at the XP15000EH and doing the gas conversion kit as well. Only thing I noticed, on the Duromax site they recommend NOT using the conversion kit , so not sure if this voids any warranty. That's a bummer about your panel needing to be upgraded. Ouch. Thanks for the info, really helped.
Chris, what is your NG psi coming from your meter? I have the same NG regulator but it says that the minimum inlet pressure is 1/2 psi but my meter is regulated down to 1/4 psi. Curious to know if yours is also 1/4 psi. Also, can you run other NG appliances in your home without affecting the gas flow to the generator?
I have the same DuroMax xp12000eh gen. duel-fuel.. I ready to try and set mine up as you did . My only question is my house NG gas meter shows spec. at 5 PSI and regulator shows 7 WC is that going to be enough Ng to run my generator. GREAT VIDEO
@Chris thanks for the great video. I'll be doing something very similar soon! Couple questions: Did you remove the old LP regulator or just leave it there un-piped? Also, was removing the carburetor necessary to connect it to the new NG regulator?
I removed it... but you don't have to do it. I have no intention of ever using Propane, but you can just leave it un-piped and reconnect it when you want propane later. However it might be faster and easier to use the new regulator as it's rated for both NG and Propane, you just have to readjust the valve which is easy to do.
I did my testing with a xp12000eh on natural gas. I got the same regulator and hose as you have. My gas meter is in the front yard, my generator is in the back yard. From the meter, I have a 1inch corrugated run of about 15 feet to a 3/4” manifold. From there I have one 3/4” outlet and five 1/2” outlets. I originally had a 1/2” run of about 12 feet to the bilco door in the back yard. I stepped the 1/2 up to 3/4 and connected the quick disconnect and 3/4 line to the generator. I was able to pull about 5500-6000 watts just fine. I then replaced the 1/2 to 3/4 all the way and added an exterior Stainless Steel Burnaby “gas plug” cover panel and had no improvement from the step up. Overall I am very happy. Thanks for the video.
Wow, so it doesn't really matter if the gas line is 1/2 or 3/4... I wounder why so many people online claim that you need such a thick gas line for these generators. I could have saved money on my expense 3/4 line. What do you think the Max watts this generator could do on NP? I read that you can expect 80% of watts from the listed gasoline spec. Thanks for sharing
Hi Chris, thanks for video. I have a Duromax XP550EH and wanted to convert to run on only gasoline and NG. I was wondering why you didn't go with the option in the beginning of your video for the carburetor w/regulator attached at 0:45 sec? Was that the regulator you mentioned that would allow gas to keep being supplied if the engine shut off?
I could't confidently find a carburetor combo that would fit my size generator 18HP... most of the carburetor combo's I saw were for smaller Generators. So I went with the last option as the safest option for me.
Nice work. At around 2:00 in the video, you’re holding the carburetor in your hand. Couple of questions: is that the original carburetor? And, if so, did you remove it only because you needed to install the longer tubing that came with your kit? Or is that a new carburetor that came with the kit?
It's the stock carburetor. I took it off to give me better access, but it doesn't need to come off.
I have the 13000-Watt DuroMax that has the automatic choke. I bought the PNG natural gas conversion kit that has the snorkel attachment that attaches behind the air filter and before the carburetor. It will start using the factory propane way, but it acts like its starving for gas using the natural gas. Do I have to use the snorkel or can I pipe it straight to the carburetor like the factory propane is.
Informative video. Have you ran the generator on ng for any extended period of time? ...any issues?
I've been running my my Generac 7500E Generator for the past 9 years on NG with no problems.
I have 500 hrs of run time on the meter and I use Valvoline Premium Blue oil for NG,LNG & Gas engines.
From what I heard Valve Recession could be a problem with non hardened valve seats and this oil helps with that.
This particular generator in the video may have Hardened seats from the Manufacturer since it Already runs on propane, but you
Would have to verify.
Helli Chris can you please post the link on were you got all the parts? I have a Duramax 1300 watt that I'm trying to convert to natural gas. Thanks!
Chris,
The brass Tee you adjusted and the generator started to stall. Did you have to make other adjustments when different electrical devices came on or shut off in you house? Or did one setting work?
The only thing I adjusted was the brass tee. There is a large range between not enough gas and too much gas. I intentionally adjusted the tee to run good a little rich on gas in case it needs more. When I connected it to my house, it would surge when a large appliance like a microwave would turn on... it kept going and handled the surge load well.
Is it necessary to have a load block in order to run? I’m planning to hook directly from carburetor to the regulator without the load block to see if it run smoothly or roughly.
good information. One my Duromax XP13000EH Hybrid dual fuel, I am trying to find a "one regulator" that will work with LPG or NG with quick connections in order to have a full on tri fuel. any ideas on this solution?
Sweet!!!!!
I'm impressed that you can run your central AC with the generator running on NG. You lose about 20 - 25% generator output power when running on NG. Running my Sportsman GENTRI9K tri-fuel (rated at 9000w surge/7200w run), I'm probably only getting about 5000w running power, and of course, that won't run the 4-ton central AC.
Im lucky that it does since my Generator is (12K surge/10K running) that brings me down to (10K surge/8K running) on NG. Also my HVAC is one of those newer two stage units so my AC starts on the lower stage making it easier on the generator to run it when it kicks on.
How do you know how many watts the generator is putting out? I have the gentri10k running on natural gas.id like to know how I can check. Thank you
@@thetonekingofficial I was just estimating. Running on NG gets about 80% of full power running on gasoline.
Look into a soft start for your HVAC compressor. It will dramatically lower the starting amp draw on a regular compressor.
@@dalltex Yes, I had one installed ($500) on the 4-ton central AC. The 9kw/7kw still won't start it. I ended up installing a 2-ton 3-head ductless AC system ($8000) and the gen runs this perfectly, all three heads at the same time, along with everything else in the house.
For kicks, I just got an estimate from Generac for installation of a 22kw at $10,000.
Hi, I have the XP13000HX dual fuel. I want to convert to Tri-fuel but I'm confused to the conversion kit that I need. do I need a high pressure or low pressure? It comes with the propane hose that had a 25psi-250psi regulator on the hose. I don't know the generator require inlet pressure. Plus some people speak in "wc or psi. Can you please help?
Excellent work! Why did you use such a heavy 3/4-inch diameter NG hose? I use a 3/8-inch diameter NG hose (Dozyant, $30 AMZ) to run my Sportsman GENTRI9K tri-fuel portable generator. What's the benefit or differences between using a bigger diameter NG hose? And is it necessary?
During my initial research and reviewing how to hook up a generator to Natural Gas, it was suggested due to the size of my generator, it was I should have a 3/4 inch hose. However I'm not an expert and it could possibly run just as good on a 3/8 inch hose. Being a novice at this, I just bought the one that was recommended by the supposed professionals.
I ordered the exact same set up you have for my duromax 12000eh. I’m getting conflicting info on whether this setup will work without the Venturi adapter. Apparently a lot of people found that using the propane inlet didn’t let enough NG fuel in without making the intake larger. Does yours run on a full load with this setup? I ran a 3/8 hose to the carb and am just waiting in the regulator and my plumber to run the NG line so I’m gonna find out soon enough!
Well all natural gas conversions lose about 20% power compared to gasoline. Mines runs most of my house on natural gas connected to the propane inlet. The Venturi adapter really isn't needed in my opinion for this specific type of generator. I also think to install the adapter on this generator, you'll need to cut the frame for it to fit properly . Try it out and see if it works.
There isn't an orifice change option? When switching a furnace from LP to NG one just changes the orifice in the burner's. Changing the size of the orifice is equivalent to changing regulating pressure ie bigger hole less pressure.
Hi Chris, great video! Question, what is the pressure of the gas coming out of your meter?
I was wondering the same thing. I have a very similar set up to this but can’t seem to keep the engine from sputtering out after only a few revolutions. My pressure in the gas line is roughly 7.5 to 8 inches w.c. (Water column). I have a different regulator that I’m thinking is the issue so I was going to buy the same model he had in the video, but the specs on the regulator show an inlet pressure of 9-13.5” wc. I’m hoping 7.5 to 8” will be close enough to the functioning range of the regulator
Thanks
You can also install a electronic shut off on the gas line.
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If your generator shutdown
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Great info my and thank you 👍
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One more question. Was there a reason for using the 3/4 ID gas hose? I need 24’ which is hard to find in 3/4 ID.
The gas hose and diameter of the line line is specifically dependent on the HP of the engine you are using, how far the line is away from the meter and how many gas appliances you plan on using with the generator, also, is the line direct from the meter, or are there other appliances on the line. If the hook-up hose is kept to 6' or less, the use of a 1/2" hook-up hose and quick disconnect coupler for up to 18hp engines is acceptable. The point is to have the correct size pipe up to the shut off valve for the generator.
Hi, put the links where I can buy the regulator, snorkel kit and hose to connect the gas line. Thanks
So I'm thinking that if you mounted a 3 way valve or a tee with 2 separate valves, you could keep the ability to run propane as well. Propane through the existing regulator, or run Natural gas through the regulator you mounted.
You could do that, but the new regulator also works propane too, you only need a adapter fitting from 3/4 to 1/2 or 3/8 propane line. Depends on how intercit you want to be with the this setup, but your idea would also work.
Chris, do you know what the starting and running watts using Natural Gas?
My guess would be 9,600 & 7,600, but that is just a shot in the dark.
Thanks
yeah, your estimate is about right. It's 20% less than the gasoline rated power.
Chris, thanks for the great video. I'm in the process of doing the same with, I have the exact same generator and have ordered the conversion kit. Since making the video, would you do anything different from what you've shown?
The only thing I would suggest is buying a Digital Tachometer and a good Multimeterr. The generator has an adjustment screw behind the carburetor to adjust the RPM. You want to make sure that after converting it to Natural Gas it still runs at 3600 RPM. Using a Multimeter, you can verify you are getting 240V at 60Hz. Lastly, make sure you paint your gas meter fittings to avoid rust.
@@Mr-Chris Thanks for the tips, will do!
@@Mr-Chris My 10000e gasoline duromax geberator is running at 5000 rpm on natural gas with the snorkel, is that because of the know you turned on teh regulator is not set right or does that have anything to do with it?
Wonder if this would work with natural gas coming from the meter has 7 wc of pressure.
Is there any worry about the hose not being rated for a 13HP engine? With the kit came a warning not to use a grill hose over 5HP because the max rating is 54000 BTU, but I'm not sure if they are referring to a 3/8" vs this 3/4". Also thank you so much for doing this, I've been asking the same thing for 2 years since I got my generator.
No worries using this hose, during my research, I remember finding several posts from people who specialize in this stuff write how a 3/4 hose is what is recommended given the length of hose and size of generator.
Hey Chris, I’ve got a question for you buddy. I’ve got the same setup, almost. I’ve got the 13000E- gas only. I installed the US Carb kit using the snorkel and it ran fine 44 hours during hurricane season. Problem was, it did not want to start easily and I was having to get while using the prime button to get it going , but after starting it ran fine. It would either backfire or take like two or three minutes to start. You inspired me to order the 13000EH carburetor from the factory with the propane intake port, like yours has. I sealed the carb and now it won’t start or run. US Carb and Century think the port may be too small or my NG hose fittings are to small, etc. I’ve used full flow large port fittings on everything and it ran fine. The propane port is much larger than the snorkel holes for sure. Do you have any advice for me? Thanks man.
I am not sure if this will make a difference, but I remember reading how the Carb needs to run on Gasoline for a few hours before converting to NG. Have you tried running the new carb on Gasoline only? Does this Generator have an auto choke? If so, you might want to check to see if you can override the auto choke when you start it.
@@Mr-Chris I was thinking of adding gasoline. The conversion kit requires to run it prior to conversion to seat valves , harden cylinders, etc. I did that and hated that gas was in the bowl over winter so was happy to be replacing it with a dry carb lol. I will add gas to confirm it is the NG system. The choke doesn’t seem to start automatically, looks like it would turn off automatically once started. The two carbs look identical except for the additional propane port on the new one.
@@shawng8432 Good luck and I hope you get it to work. NG is the best way to go, but I personally still have 30 gallons of gasoline on standby just in case. I rotate my treated gas once a year. I live in DC area and we had some bad ice/snow stomas and lost power for several days... years ago, but our power company stated moving everything underground so I haven't lost power since. Anyways I want to make sure that I am ready for the next time this happens and you made the right choice to get a generator and to attempt to convert to NG.
Warm it on Gasoline couple Of min. It will start on prop- natrl then.
Do I need to mount this to the generator or can I just mount it to the gas line on the house and then use the same or similar hose and add a quick connect to the hose between the propane regulator and the carburetor. Since I would only use natural gas at home is seems like a much easier mod and I would not need that crazy big hose running all the way to the generator.
Theoretically seems like it might work. Keeping regulator attached to the main gas hose and having a disconnect for the smaller one to the carburetor. My only advice would be to make sure the smaller hose isn't too long. Also I think the regulator might need to be upright, but I am not sure. Give it a try and let me know if it worked.
Look at my vide0's. You can upgrade to 50 amps so long as you have extra slots on your breaker panel. Install an inlet outside and run the line to the breaker panel and connect it to the 50 amp breaker. Then install an interlock kit on the panel to prevent back feeding.
Cool video, Trust me... I wish I could do that. I tried to go down that same path, but I have an older split bus-panel breaker box. It won't work with my kind of box because it doesn't have a single main cut off to entire box. I would have to upgrade my entire breaker box before I can install an interlock. I wish I could do that and get 50amps.
@@Mr-Chris Oh I see, you could also maybe do a sub panel outside that feeds the breaker box inside and do the inlet there. I replaced the panel you see in my video, it cost me $1200 through a larger electrical company. What I know now I could do it myself with a little help and it would cost about $200. My old panel had no extra slots which was one reason why I did the 4 circuits vs the whole panel. Either way what you have now is fine and is better than what most people have. Thanks for the reply.
@@billybassman21 OMG, the electrical contractors here in the DC area where I live price gouge like crazy. I received three different quotes between 5 to 7K to replace my breaker box.
Chris That’s insane. I would keep shopping around. HVAC techs don’t the same thing, that is why I learned how to do most of it myself.
In 2018, I upgraded my 1957 200-amp electrical panel with a new Square-D 200-amp panel, and installed an interlock switch, generator power inlet box, and in-panel whole-house surge protector for $2300 parts and labor.
Is that a full port 3/4" valve? If not, you ought to consider replacing that as the valve might be reducing your flow.
So you just added the regulator and kept the factory gas insert installed on the carb? Looking at getting the same generator setup for hurricane emergencies.
Yes, all you need is a regulator kit without any adapter to convert this to Natural Gas. I have a link to a kit without adapter in the video if your interested.
What’s the longest that these generators can run for? I know it’s recommended to change the oil after 100 hours of use. But can we run it for 100 continuous hours if needed?
Chris, great job all of this. Just to clarify, it wasn’t necessary to remove the carburetor after all, correct? All you really need to do was connect a longer hose, correct? Thx!
Technically you do not need to remove the carburetor in order to install it, however I found it difficult to remove the camp and old tube with the carburetor still on... So I ended up removing the carburetor to make it easier for me.
Chris Thanks for responding so quick. And, again, it is NOT necessary to use the motor snorkel, correct?
@@stevewalmsley1219 that's right, you don't need the snorkel for this type of generator. I have a link in the description of this video to a kit without the snorkel to save money on this conversion.
My duromax 13000xp manual says to change oil every 20 hrs of use. The 1200xp is once a year?
The question is will this void any warranty? Duromax recommends not using a natural gas converter.
Great job Chris. I have the exact unit is you do and would like the option of running only natural gas or gasoline. I have No interest in propane. I am confused on how to do this. I’m guessing that I could just put the valve after the regulator and turn of the supply of natural gas instead of removing the hose to run on gasoline? Correct? Thanks in advance.
Yes that's correct. If you wanted to keep the natural gas hose connected to the regulator at all times and have a valve to turn off/on Natural gas... that would work too., you don't have to remove the hose to run it on gasoline. By the way, here is a kit that doesn't bring the snorkel kit and it's a bit cheaper:
www.motorsnorkel.com/dedicated-propane-or-lp-natural-gas-only-no-gasoline-universal-conversion-kit-for-log-splitters-generators-pressure-washers-for-engines-5hp-and-below-2709.html
Your link is not working for the conversion kit.
Chris, are the measurements for the gas pipe coming from the meter always 3/4” ? So I’ll have to get 3/4” gas on/off valve and fittings and hose? Thanks.
That's debatable, During my initial research it appeared that I needed a 3/4 inch hose... however I received several comments of individuals saying that they're able to get this to run off a half an inch hose.
Chris question about the regulator. The regulator link in the description is the same regulator that comes from US Carb?
@@edgarsalinas8752 Yes, its the same brand regulator, just sold by another retailer. The Regulator I have is the same garreston regulator.
Chris,
Do you think you could have "Teed" the Natural gas line into the LP gas line going into the Carburetor and retained the LP gas option?
Thanks
G
Yeah I've seen others do that with success. You can tee it off with shutoff valves to each respective regulator, but I only would recommend that if you plan on switching between the two often. Otherwise... the NG regulator technically is also a LP regulator that just requires a 3/4 to 3/8 adapter to get it to work with LP. So you could use the new regulator it for both if you want to.
I have been having issues I think getting enough gas from the regulator kit I ordered on Amazon. If I press down on the primer button it gets enough gas but without it just stalls. What model is your regulator?
Have you tried adjusting the valve on the regulator to give it more pressure/gas like I did in this video 9:12? I am not sure the exact model regulator that came with the kit, but this is the manufacture where I bought it from: www.motorsnorkel.com/dedicated-propane-or-lp-natural-gas-only-no-gasoline-universal-conversion-kit-for-log-splitters-generators-pressure-washers-for-engines-5hp-and-below-2709.html
great vid. what kit did you buy from us carb?
Link to kit purchase in description
Good Job for your limited experience. Regarding your panel... watch some videos and study up on electrical... $5K to do a panel swap sounds like piracy to me and upgrade to a 200 amp panel. I live in hurricane country and one thing we have never lost after a storm is the natgas. Water and electric may be gone but the natgas has always been there. If you are smart enough to accomplish the chore with the gas conversion for your generator you certainly have the smarts to do a panel swap.
Hello Chris sorry to hit you up with questions, 1. Do you really need a 3/4 inch hose as it is you are reducing the size on the meter from 3/4 to 1/2? I read that you do need a lot of BTU for this generator to handle the load at 9500 watts. Have you push this to the limit? 2. the amazon link for the conversion kit, for that price they do not include the load block, they said on the Duro max XP1200 you do not need it? Have you found that to be true? if your load block pretty much wide open with full choke ? 3. did you run the generator with gas prior running it with Natural Gas for the first time? I read you must run the generator at least 2 hours on Gas prior running it on Natural Gas? let me know what you think. Thank you.
#1. This is debatable, "professionals" say that for a 18HP engine like this... meter fitting can be 1/2, however they recommend 3/4 meter fittings. The "pros" also say the hose needs to be 3/4. However some users say 1/2 hose and meter works well, while others say it doesn't. # 2. That's right, You don't need a load block for this kind of generator as the carburetor already setup to run Propane and it can run natural gas so long that the regular is adjusted to the correct pressure. I think the load block is only needed for Gasoline only generators. #3. I owned the generator for several months before converting it natural gas. I think I put about 10 hours of use on it and changed the oil before the conversion.
@@Mr-Chris Good morning Chris, thank you so much to the clarification, I am planning on doing this set up, but the Gas Line was ran from the meter at 3/4 but reduced just before the end, So I will let you know if it works. As far as the load my question was because when the power goes out here its for 30 hours or more and I was expecting this set up to be on for that long and was wondering if you have run yours for that long and could provide any feedback under heavy load.
Awesome dude it does work but the $ ? did you try first with out the kit propane needs more air than gas for the right mix i think it just the hose sizes to make it work...
I tried the propane connection, it doesn't work for Natural Gas. The Factory propane regulator is non-adjustable where aftermarket ones are.
Should of used the kit that went under your air cleaner. Regulator like you got for natural gas. And high pressure Regulator on your propane bottle to use propane.
Do you need to have the chock open, half way, or closed when turning the generator on?
It's different for each person. Depends on your atmosphere, natural gas quality, and generator. You have to play around with it till you find the best running setting.
Hi Chris. So I’ve been eyeing the XP13000EH and plan to use NG with the kit you used. Problem is, on sale the 13K sold out everywhere. It was $1079. Would you go for the 13000E gas only model ($979) or the 12000EH hybrid ($1200)? I’m looking at the bigger and cheaper model without propane since I will be NG. What do you think?
Well when you convert to NG... you will only get about 80% of what the rated capacity level. So I would go with the 13000E gas model to squeeze out any little bit of extra power that I could get. Keep in mind when you convert to NG on the gas only model, you will need to install the "snorkel" & regulator... where as in a Hybrid model you only need to install the regulator like I did in this video.
it needs to be able to run propane to convert to NG... if you buy the one that just runs gas it will not be able to convert to NG
@@christopherhollifield7546 This is incorrect. The conversion kit turns a gas only into Gas, Propane, or Natural Gas
I would go for the gas only 979 + 187(kit) = 1166, saves you 34 for the same capability
@@jmichaelsk I went with the 13k gas only, got an additional 10% off with free shipping from Lowe’s!
I believe you need a drip leg before the hose connection.
Hi I have 4400eh dual fuel genie i hooked up the tri fuel kit using snorkel but engine wont start with natural gas. using stock regulator with propane the genie starts right up. trying to trouble shoot but cant figure what problem is. Any suggestions? i can hear very subtle sound of gas when i prime regulator , turned the load block 7 turns out as recommended by US carb didnt help. Fuel valve to tank is shut off, choke is open. am i getting vacum leak from the stock propane setup? Any suggestions?
You can try closing your choke and trying different positions to see if that helps. Honostly I think you should remove the snorkel and connect the new regulator directly to the carburetor like I did in the video. If you want to switch back to propane you can do so by using the new regulator with a propane adapter fitting. Essentially you don't need the old "stock" regulator since the new one works with both natural gas and propane. I think the snorkel is the problem not letting enough natural gas into carb to work since it already has another port connected to it . The snorkel is only meant for generators that are gasoline only.
Do you have to remove the Propane regulator. or leave it with the Gen. Also can you use Propane also, does it become a tri Fuel? In case you take the Gen on a trip and make it portable? Thank You. Randy Houston
You can keep the old propane regulator on if you want to, but you won't need it. The new regulator works both with natural gas & propane, you might need to adjust the gas pressure like I did in the video when switching between natural gas and propane, but it's very easy and quick to do.
@@Mr-Chris thank you very much Chris your information and your videos are awesome and extremely helpful.
One question so does this negate the use of propane and regular gas . My understanding using the full kit generator maintains a tri fuel compatible
This regulator works on both propane and natural gas. Theoretically you could still keep the old regulator however this replacement regulator can do the job of both. You would just have to readjust the valve and you can easily get propane up and running no time.
From what i've heard, running on CNG or LPG results in the engine running cleaner from a mechanical perspective (fewer deposits left in the engine).
Definitely much cleaner than gasoline, but less overall power. When I change my oil, it's significantly lighter in color than when it runs on gasoline.
Hello sir what is the brass looking piece on top of the regulator that connects to the carburetor called the size and where to get it thx
This is hard to find. I am 100% sure what the exact one you need or will fit, but these are the two I was able to find.
Load Blocks:
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One, you think a Y or T and valves would work to switch between LPG and NG? Also have you run it for any significant time that there is no issue with combustion temperatures that might effect longevity that you've seen?
Yes, I think a Y or a T valve would work to switch between LPG and NG... the only condition is that you will need to "re-adjust" the regulator fuel ratio when switching between LPG and NG... but as you saw in the video, its easy and quick to do. The longest I have run this on NG is 4 hours, and I haven't taken a temperature reading to confirm this... but subjectively, I feel it runs cooler than Gasoline. The radiant heat from the exhaust/muffler running on NG feels a lot less than when I run it on Gasoline.
@@Mr-Chris well I was just going to go with 2 separate regulators so it should be okay. Thinking a little 2 to 1 block like a little manifold with either ng from the house or propane from the tank thru the stock regulator that has no adgustment
@@Mr-Chris and further research says the both LPG and NG have cooler flames so it shouldn't hurt it though be aware of higher cylinder pressures at times
I plan to do this on my Westinghouse WGEN12000DF portable generator (dual-fuel gasoline + LPG). But this Westinghouse generator has an automatic choke. You said that you had to run with your (manual) choke wide open to run on NG. I wonder if my auto-choke is going to let me run on NG?
Have you tried it?
@@Bryan-hd9fs No. Ended up not getting the Westinghouse. Sticking with my Sportsman 7kw/9kw tri-fuel w/ manual choke. Runs everything I need including 2-ton AC.
Do you have a link for that carburetor gasket snorkel
Hi Chris, so today is 6/23/2020.
How is everything working as of today?
Any thoughts or issues on voided warranty etc?
Thanks!!!!!!!!
John
This Generator is almost 3 years old and this is still running great. I don't use this generator often as it's a back-up in case of power outage. I did this conversion to Natural gas several months ago and I tested it out last week. It ran the entire house including my central AC while running on Natural Gas. Even though it has low amount of running hours, I still change my oil every year and keep it connected to a solar battery tender on the original battery. This thing is built very well and starts right up.
Chris Thanks Chris.... I just got the same unit for our pending Fire Season in Calif. and I just didn’t like the idea of dealing with the Gas issues & multiple Propane tanks.
Very much appreciated your posting your videos 👏👏👏
i converted my XP9000IH inverter type to tri fuel by using a Y valve on the pipe coming out the carburetor, one side of the Y goes to the existing propane regulator, the other side of the Y goes to the natural gas regulator, if i want to go back to propane i just switch the valves on the Y back to propane, I ran a 4 ton AC unit with a soft start on it no problem on natural gas
How much in natural gas was the overall cost vs gas
What’s wrong with your 30 amp?.. I have a 30 amp interlock kit I can run my A.C and one stove burner,and basic lights,tv ,fridge and freezer and no problems..1600 sq ft house with 3 ton unit.. I think what you got works fine, my biggest worry for you is the pipe on the meter being so long it might crack sometime maybe stick block of wood between to take some stress off of pipe..how big is that generator? I think you did a good job ,natural gas is my next project just done the interlock was easy and works great..
Nothing wrong with 30 amp, but it would be nice to have a 50 amp transfer switch. This Generator is 18HP, 12K watts surge & 10K running. I don't keep the natural gas hose connected, but when I do connect it... I now move my grill into position to make sure to the hose rests on top of it to take weight off the meter.