You don't even know how happy you made me, because of this reference :D I just watched Dune couple days ago and found that Sardaukar bit super inspiring!
@@RenVasTerul I started throat singing after the first time I watched Dune and after 2 weeks I can already make reaaaaally cool stuffs and your channel helped A LOT :D
I'll also add that what most of those neofolk/ambient bands like Heilung present is mostly simple vocal fry. If you're interested in singing low there's also the subvocal range (which is vocal fry but... without fry? Idk how to explain this one) which is commonly found among russian octavists, iirc in Poland it's often referred to as eastern orthodox church bass.
Honestly it's hard to say. I've been practicing vocalized fry (as of late, I've found "subharmonic singing" to be not descriptive enough of a term -since kargyraa is also subharmonic singing-, but that's what I'm referring to), for nearly two years now (currently working on the second subharmonic register with it), and trying to get a comfortable kargyraa (not there yet, it hurts like hell), I have to say, kargyraa, for the little that I can get out, is comparatively a significantly beefier in timbre, and much louder sound, than vocalized fry. You can really tell that the ventricular folds are much bigger than the vocal folds by just hearing what sound they produce. That's without amplification. However, in the case of Heilung, the amplification they use kind of blurs things a lot for me. Sometimes it sounds "metallic" enough in timbre to make me think that it's vocalized fry, but some other times it sounds to me like it's much more raspy, more throaty, they even slide out of the sub register into a low scream, which indicates to me that in those parts at least, it's more likely to be kargyraa. Additionally, in those parts where they slide out of the sub register, well, it's not something that is easy at all, if that's even possible, with vocalized fry. I know I have a distinct break down there when I do the octave drop, akin to the one between chest voice and falsetto, that I haven't found a way around yet. I am either in the subharmonic register, or not at all, there's no in-between, like there is when they do this slide-out. I'm also not excluding the possibility that they use both techniques.
I stumbled across some throat singing clips thanks to TH-cam's algorithm, and now I want to learn how to do it. I was able to make my first noise with my throat. It sounded like shit and made me cough my guts out, but within an hour later the cough went away. I will keep practicing cause this is badass!
My interest for viking throat singing starts while searching viking music. I heard s.o. singing deep and it sounds robotic, too. So i tried to search tutorials how to sing like a viking. I found videos of Alex Glenfield. So i knew the name... kargyraa! It was so hard to learn. After one year of practice i didnt found the overtones yet but now i can sing very deep like Kau-Uwe from Heilung and deeper (In Maidjan for example). Thank you 4 your video. Hope other people will learn throat singing too. Lets make it popular 💪🏻
Finally learned the Kargyyra method today, and I'm finding that it works best for me, currently, at G# . I definitely want to work on lower registers though. Thanks for the tips!
Your lower throat singing is exactly Vibration Bass in the beatboxing scene. I love finding different ways people name or use the techniques. I learned this lower throat singing by throat singing and adding in false fold metal screams. Your explanation of using them is so perfect. If you haven't already, definitely look into all the different bass techniques beatboxers use. There's a sick one that is 2 different subharmonics together to create a separate, third subharmonic, called alien bass by Indicator. Lots of inward techniques too that create even lower clean notes through inward subharmoics. Great tutorial man. Check out Remix - Insane, and any song by Inertia, for this lower throat singing.
Thank you! :D Hah, I actually follow beatboxing scene quite a lot! I'd love to learn that Alien bass Indicator does... it sounds sick! ♡ If you know any good tutorials on it, pls send a link ♡♡♡ :D
@@RenVasTerul he does have his own tutorial. He says to do s subharmonic thought the nose and the open mouth at the same time. I haven't gotten that at all, but I did find the 2nd subharmonic for very low singing. So hard to do and harder to project, so it's useless for now for me lol
Hey there! I just wanted to tell you that according to many sources, Kai, the main singer sings using kargyraa, and Chris sings a bit differently that I think is very close to kargyraa, but everyone else says that's not that by any means.
I have been obsessed with this for a couple of hours lol, but sounds like it works. two questions: - how do you deal with irritation? - it seems sometimes it doesn't go to a full octave but to a lower fifht, correct?
@@cactusfloydx5d heeey! :D - As for the first question - stay hydrated, and try to use as small amount of tension as possible. This should feel relaxed. However, some tension in throat and diaphragm is needed, so generally it takes some time to build 'the muscle' to do this in a relaxed way ;) - 2nd question - yes! I'll chart it out as clean as I can: •0 - your normal voice note, a foundation •1 - 1st subharmonic - this is regular, normal kargyyra throat singing. An octave below normal voice •2 - 2nd sub - this is what I use in this video, and my Sardaukar Chant cover. A more relaxed version of kargyyra, that slips down a fifth (5 full notes down). •3 - 3rd sub - I can't do it well, not many people do. That's an octave below normal kargyyra (1st sub).
@@RenVasTerul hey thanks for answering man! wow so 3 is actually two octaves below normal voice, incredible. Well, I'll keep practising, trying not to force it too much, after a while I got sour throat but yes, that should be normal, it's something I've never done before. Thanks for all the help Ren, really appreciate it and will let you know how it goes!!
2:18 that's xorekteer ma man (actually you make it a choomei in that example but later, in the "tuning" part you show xorekteer so I assume that's what you meant), you proceed to teach kargyraa (one of the styles) here. A quick and easy method would be getting a good, low xorekteer and in the meantime learning the vocal fry and simply trying to combine the two. That would be what you present in the beginning, the xovu kargyraa. The dag kargyraa is achieved differently, although you still have to have a got xorekteer. Try making the throat clearing sound. Those are the muscles that you gotta tense. Then try to add sound to it. Then try to do the "ooo" "aaa" "uuu" etc. while adding sound to it. Then do it with a xorekteer. It's gonna be uncomfortable at first so gotta go really slow but works 10/10. Hope it helped (and cleared some things out), cheers.
I have a problem when going lower, it transfers to a growl/scream and I lose the kargyraa tone, can't keep a good enough closure when going low, can't even do it in my normal speaking voice since it's pretty low too, do I just try to keep going and it'll solve itself or do I need to work on some exercises ?
super filmik :) szkoda, że nie w naszym ojczystym języku, długo szukałem kogoś z Polski kto mógłby to wytłumaczyć jednakże nie znalazłem. Pozdrawiam :)
One way i so far found out how to do it, is trying to do the "BEAAAANS" meme without hurting my voice, but i don't know yet where to go next with it
Same ngl 😂
Sardaukar intensifies
You don't even know how happy you made me, because of this reference :D I just watched Dune couple days ago and found that Sardaukar bit super inspiring!
@@RenVasTerul I started throat singing after the first time I watched Dune and after 2 weeks I can already make reaaaaally cool stuffs and your channel helped A LOT :D
I'll also add that what most of those neofolk/ambient bands like Heilung present is mostly simple vocal fry. If you're interested in singing low there's also the subvocal range (which is vocal fry but... without fry? Idk how to explain this one) which is commonly found among russian octavists, iirc in Poland it's often referred to as eastern orthodox church bass.
As a matter of fact I'm 95% percent sure that Kai from Heilung actually does in fact use the subharmonic singing ;-)
Honestly it's hard to say. I've been practicing vocalized fry (as of late, I've found "subharmonic singing" to be not descriptive enough of a term -since kargyraa is also subharmonic singing-, but that's what I'm referring to), for nearly two years now (currently working on the second subharmonic register with it), and trying to get a comfortable kargyraa (not there yet, it hurts like hell), I have to say, kargyraa, for the little that I can get out, is comparatively a significantly beefier in timbre, and much louder sound, than vocalized fry. You can really tell that the ventricular folds are much bigger than the vocal folds by just hearing what sound they produce. That's without amplification.
However, in the case of Heilung, the amplification they use kind of blurs things a lot for me. Sometimes it sounds "metallic" enough in timbre to make me think that it's vocalized fry, but some other times it sounds to me like it's much more raspy, more throaty, they even slide out of the sub register into a low scream, which indicates to me that in those parts at least, it's more likely to be kargyraa. Additionally, in those parts where they slide out of the sub register, well, it's not something that is easy at all, if that's even possible, with vocalized fry. I know I have a distinct break down there when I do the octave drop, akin to the one between chest voice and falsetto, that I haven't found a way around yet. I am either in the subharmonic register, or not at all, there's no in-between, like there is when they do this slide-out.
I'm also not excluding the possibility that they use both techniques.
@Lo Ki Sure.
I stumbled across some throat singing clips thanks to TH-cam's algorithm, and now I want to learn how to do it. I was able to make my first noise with my throat. It sounded like shit and made me cough my guts out, but within an hour later the cough went away. I will keep practicing cause this is badass!
My interest for viking throat singing starts while searching viking music. I heard s.o. singing deep and it sounds robotic, too. So i tried to search tutorials how to sing like a viking. I found videos of Alex Glenfield. So i knew the name... kargyraa!
It was so hard to learn. After one year of practice i didnt found the overtones yet but now i can sing very deep like Kau-Uwe from Heilung and deeper (In Maidjan for example).
Thank you 4 your video. Hope other people will learn throat singing too. Lets make it popular 💪🏻
Did you find the overtones?
Finally learned the Kargyyra method today, and I'm finding that it works best for me, currently, at G# . I definitely want to work on lower registers though. Thanks for the tips!
Interessting, I have the same beard growth as you do, another kargyraa singer has this beard style too... I do believe in destiny now! ;)
Hahahah :D It's genes, man. The dna stripe that gives this awful beard grants also the kargyyra skill :P
No miniatura zajebista 😎 czuć te 10 godzin edytu śmiechłem parę razy 😛
Your lower throat singing is exactly Vibration Bass in the beatboxing scene. I love finding different ways people name or use the techniques. I learned this lower throat singing by throat singing and adding in false fold metal screams. Your explanation of using them is so perfect. If you haven't already, definitely look into all the different bass techniques beatboxers use. There's a sick one that is 2 different subharmonics together to create a separate, third subharmonic, called alien bass by Indicator. Lots of inward techniques too that create even lower clean notes through inward subharmoics.
Great tutorial man. Check out Remix - Insane, and any song by Inertia, for this lower throat singing.
Thank you! :D Hah, I actually follow beatboxing scene quite a lot! I'd love to learn that Alien bass Indicator does... it sounds sick! ♡ If you know any good tutorials on it, pls send a link ♡♡♡ :D
@@RenVasTerul he does have his own tutorial. He says to do s subharmonic thought the nose and the open mouth at the same time. I haven't gotten that at all, but I did find the 2nd subharmonic for very low singing. So hard to do and harder to project, so it's useless for now for me lol
i like your capercaillie hat, looks really nice on you
I figure it's like when I sing bass but applied to throat singing.
Yeah, kind of :P I also heard an opinion that it's like subharmonic singing for kargyyra.
Can you please tell me the name of your intro’s music at 0.30 ? Thank you, awesome vidéo 🔥
Hi! It's my original song called ''Bear''. You can listen it here: th-cam.com/video/09MXZEXKQ6s/w-d-xo.html
Hey there! I just wanted to tell you that according to many sources, Kai, the main singer sings using kargyraa, and Chris sings a bit differently that I think is very close to kargyraa, but everyone else says that's not that by any means.
Oh, thank you for that info! Well maybe I meet them one day and find out the specifics by asking :P
BASICALLY
Yea, I know. I will work on that :P
Basically uh uh uh uh just do it forhead
I SAY ''LETS SAY'' HAHA
Alfadhirhaiti. Made me start too. And over 3 Months i did it
You and I have very similar hair.
Where i can hear that slightly better example??
Very goog your video, i liked stille kargira. Congratulations from Brasil.
I have been obsessed with this for a couple of hours lol, but sounds like it works. two questions:
- how do you deal with irritation?
- it seems sometimes it doesn't go to a full octave but to a lower fifht, correct?
@@cactusfloydx5d heeey! :D
- As for the first question - stay hydrated, and try to use as small amount of tension as possible. This should feel relaxed. However, some tension in throat and diaphragm is needed, so generally it takes some time to build 'the muscle' to do this in a relaxed way ;)
- 2nd question - yes! I'll chart it out as clean as I can:
•0 - your normal voice note, a foundation
•1 - 1st subharmonic - this is regular, normal kargyyra throat singing. An octave below normal voice
•2 - 2nd sub - this is what I use in this video, and my Sardaukar Chant cover. A more relaxed version of kargyyra, that slips down a fifth (5 full notes down).
•3 - 3rd sub - I can't do it well, not many people do. That's an octave below normal kargyyra (1st sub).
@@RenVasTerul hey thanks for answering man!
wow so 3 is actually two octaves below normal voice, incredible.
Well, I'll keep practising, trying not to force it too much, after a while I got sour throat but yes, that should be normal, it's something I've never done before.
Thanks for all the help Ren, really appreciate it and will let you know how it goes!!
2:18 that's xorekteer ma man (actually you make it a choomei in that example but later, in the "tuning" part you show xorekteer so I assume that's what you meant), you proceed to teach kargyraa (one of the styles) here. A quick and easy method would be getting a good, low xorekteer and in the meantime learning the vocal fry and simply trying to combine the two. That would be what you present in the beginning, the xovu kargyraa.
The dag kargyraa is achieved differently, although you still have to have a got xorekteer. Try making the throat clearing sound. Those are the muscles that you gotta tense. Then try to add sound to it. Then try to do the "ooo" "aaa" "uuu" etc. while adding sound to it. Then do it with a xorekteer. It's gonna be uncomfortable at first so gotta go really slow but works 10/10. Hope it helped (and cleared some things out), cheers.
Huh, I never heard of xorekteer. I will surely look into that :-D Thanks for the tip, man!
@@RenVasTerul no problem, I confused xovu and dag kargyraa here too btw, its the other way around x)
I have a problem when going lower, it transfers to a growl/scream and I lose the kargyraa tone, can't keep a good enough closure when going low, can't even do it in my normal speaking voice since it's pretty low too, do I just try to keep going and it'll solve itself or do I need to work on some exercises ?
Id practice and try squeeze slightly more till the goldilocks point appears.
super filmik :) szkoda, że nie w naszym ojczystym języku, długo szukałem kogoś z Polski kto mógłby to wytłumaczyć jednakże nie znalazłem. Pozdrawiam :)
8:40 it was trout signing xd
Love your hair :) !!!
Hallo! Best way to do it is just do it and then go lower.
Uhhhh yurp big help lol
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This is hilarious, i am 60 yr old woman and i can go as low as you lol my whole diaphragm is vibrating haha, must be the Russian blood in me or sth .
When you sang that C3 I'm very sure you somehow slipped into a nice F2 subharmonic! Listen to that again :D 6:52
Yep :D That's right!
I still struggle with the issue of being unable to go down below C3 without slipping into 2nd sub... Super annoying xD
buena!! muy bueno
let's gooo
I see u everywjere lol
@@DannyGu33 LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yo this is so helpful thank you brother by the way do you know who Jesus is ?
Does this damage the voice
no i don’t think it does
If you don't drink water and honey and you do it badly yes
it doesn't hurt at all, it's actually kinda soothing when you can do it smoothly, just be sure not to do it with a soar or dehydrated throat.
Najgraj sensowny tutorial po polsku. Bardzo mało takowych jest :)
thanks from vladivostok, russia!
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Bro let your hair lock up !!!!!!!
Holy shit get to the point man