Prices going up is the EXACT opposite of what HD needs to be doing. They have dealers filled with 2024s they couldn’t sell at a cheaper price. Good luck trying to sell bikes at an even higher price.
Hahaha, Harley's braindead board is bankrupting the company and will not come back this time. HD needs to drop $5k AUD off each bike to even begin to hope to grow sales. Dead company walking.
I got stroked on pricing by HD in 2004 . Have been riding Yamaha ever since . Don't miss getting molested at the service department either . Started riding in 1965 on a Triumph so I know overpriced scrap when I see it .
Absolutely. They are already way overpriced. I've been to two dealerships trying to forgive them in the last month. Got completely ignored at the first, the second were assholes. I was absolute about buying a pan america, but I'm done. They are a mess right now. Like a tiny baby boeing.
@@vicfdez7830 Bmw GSA 1250 year 2022 got it with all the mods bought luggage rode 25,000 km this year no real problems.Before that my last HD was the PAS pan america problems and 30,grand less.
Considering most dealers are up to their eyeballs with 'new' inventory going back 1-4 years, them raising prices is a truly brilliant idea, from their not at all braindead management/board. I had some interest in the Pan America, but I am not going to pay a HD premium for a bike not made in the us.
I don't care in what country it is made. For most people riding a Harley is nothing more then a hobby, and today's prices are way to high, whatever the country.
The prices of all brands in general are going up...all brands in the similar model market are all comparable to Harley prices...it's not just a Harley thing.
HD is so greedy they raise the prices of none-US built motorcycles as well. Here in Australia, each year, they add $2-3k to bikes that receive absolutely no updates. Guess what? At the end of the year, they end up discounting up to $10k on new bikes just to get rid of them. The issue is their image is that of a company that will try to fleece you of as much dough as they can if you are not savvy. If my bike is built in Thailand, then pass on the savings to me. I don't want to fund your bullshit livewire hobby or your DEI activities.
I am Thai, I am very proud and very happy to have the opportunity to own a Low rider S that Made In Thailand. It would be impossible for me to afford such this motorcycle. If it was produced in America
I have a new RKS, based in Ireland and the bike has a Thai VIN. Stripping it down to do work and most if not all parts are made in the US. So I gather that the bikes are being assembled in Thailand rather than being manufactured there.
No, they don't care. They are like kids wanting a shiny bauble. They think of nothing else but to be cool and to support a company that could care less about them.
Harley will go the way of ktm give em another 2 years the chinese are taking over the japs will find it hard to compete royal Enfield will struggle as honda is hitting d small bike market with lower prices an better quality
You must care. You looked at the title of the video and commented. I have owned many bikes. You buy a Japanese bike for the engine reliability. The suspension and brakes are usually a standard grade. You buy German for the status and the upgrade on the components suspension, electronics, brakes. Italian for the looks, heritage, power, mixed reliability. A quality piece with expensive cost. The Harley you buy for status, the ride, the customizable options. Harley is quite frankly different experience. They do things to help their communities, run charitable events, organize poker rides. Plus give you quality clothing options to wear. Ya its at a cost, ya the bikes are expensive. However, No other brand does this like Harley. Maybe Indian now? I haven't own one of those yet. Ya, I have a Harley. I also have two other bikes. I have had many other brands. There is no perfect brand. Or one bike that does it all. I bought an Adventure bike thinking that.😂 I myself, being from the west. Would pay more for a bike made and assembled in the west. I'm tired of outsourced labour practices. If western companies. Hey, life's short buy what you want and what you can afford. Mostly a bike you can live with.
Bought my softail slim in Nov 2019, took delivery July 2020. One of the last bikes built in the USA with a US Vin number. Last new Harley I will ever own 🤷♂️
How would you feel about going out for Chinese food. Then seeing white people cooking and owning the restaurant. 😂 If you want an American vehicle made in China buy one. Just don't complain when it breaks. Nothing I find funnier. Than an Amazon customer. Who buys a $2 cheap Chinese tool and it breaks. Then he whines in the comment section. Cheap Chinese crap. What do you expect for $2, Snap On? If you don't wanna wrench. Get a Honda or Yamaha. I've wrenched since I was 16. I work on my bikes and ride them. I take pride that none of my vehicles car or bike. Have ever been to a mechanic. My relationship with my vehicles is different than most.
Why are you showing pictures of a M8 Softail when you are talking about the Revolution Max moving to off-shore production? This is deceptive, not cool.
Nope. Will most likely NEVER buy another new Harley again. I won't be going to their dealerships either. Most of the parts I'll be buying will be from non-Harley companies and I will take my bikes to local shops for service and upgrades. As far as bikes being built to the same specifications being the same ... that theory was proven false years ago when Ford and Chevy started building cars and trucks in Mexico (cheaper labor and less environmental rules) and they are garbage compared to the same make/model made in the states.
Ford and Chevy. Say no more. Manufacturing offshore all comes down to the way that the processes are managed and, of course, what investment businesses are prepared to make in regards of plant, materials and staff training. If you reckon that Mexicans and Thais can't make a product that equals or exceeds the quality of any other nation's products in this day and age, you're kidding yourself. It's 2024. If you reckon that companies such as Ford, Chevy and perhaps Harley Davidson aren't going to invest enough into producing those products, then you're probably right. This has nothing to do with where goods are manufactured, it has everything to do with the businesses that manage the process. Ford and Chevy have a long history of making rubbish products on US soil. Toyota and Honda, on the other hand, seem to be able to make quality products in factories located around the globe. Go figure. It's not where this stuff is built, it's who's running the show that makes the difference.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Well son, I live in Montana and own a mexican chevy truck. It is absolute junk. The clutch pedal assembly is made out of 1/8 plastic. Guess what happens when I try to drive my truck in winter? Well once a year or so I have to replace the whole clutch pedal assembly. The Canadian Chevy of the same model doesn't have this problem. Just the mexican.
@@christopherw4527 My whole point is that someone signed off on that. Someone in corporate said "She'll be right, it'll last the warranty period". Mexican made 5h!t design, German made 5h!t design, Japanese made 5h!t design. It doesn't matter. Rubbish is rubbish. And maybe a contemporary vehicle made in another plant incorporates different processes. There could be all reasons for that. Skills, the availability of materials, plant... whatever. But General Motors Detroit signed off on the design and that process of the Mexican made Chevy. A bit like Mercedes Benz Germany signed off on the design and processes that built my South African made C230 Kompressor. It was a rubbish car. Not because it had been manufactured in South Africa, but because ' Benz cheaped out. There's a Mazda and a Suzuki in my drive way, at the moment. The Kawasaki is in the shed. There's a reason for that.
The USA made bassguitars from Lākland are twice the price as the ones “crafted in Korea”!!!!!! They look the same but there are some small difference ...
They don't make an XL1200 sportster anymore. It was their only bike I would've bought. As luck would have it there's plenty of used ones available for a couple grand.
Harley’s have been made with parts from all over the world for years now. I think a lot of buyers outside of the USA don’t really care much, as long as the quality is still there, and that the price reflects that. I think the big issue is that Union job have been moved offshore and prices have still increased. It also worth noting that it’s not just the RevMax models that have gone to Thailand, it’s all models made for the market outside of the USA.
FYI. Yesterday I stopped in my local HD dealership. They still had at least 50 2024's on the floor and they are motivated sellers. I was told the Road Glide will go up $2K. The Street Glide will go up $500. The guy that owns this one owns 8 others. I was told by the owner he was not going to take the Nightster, Sportster S or Pan America for 2025. He told me they are poor sellers. He also said the bikes would no longer be made in America and the price drop on these now foreign bikes was very very small. So he wants nothing to do with them. If dealers are able to opt out of these bikes, I think this is the end of them.
I hear you - our dealer group has floors still filled with 2024s. They still have 2023s but they are almost all rev max bikes. They don’t sell. Can’t believe they’re raising the prices even though they had trouble selling the bikes at a lower price.
Mate, folks that bought a Pan America between 2021-23, made/assembled in the USA, will know about the shoddy workmanship at the USA factory. Main battery ground cable becoming dislodged from the vehicle, gear shifter bolts coming lose and falling off, and then a bunch of bolts (eg. holding the crash bars, radiator fan) being miss-threaded, wiring harness cables being pinched, wiring harness connectors not properly plugged in/seated. I say, bring Thailand on, because QA and employee care at the USA factory leaves a lot to be desired, generally speaking.
That was the only thing I was disappointed with on my sport glide made Thailand as the premium price I paid for a iconic American brand, now I have a Street Bob and that has union made in USA I know it is silly but in my head it feels American but saying that when I owned my Yamaha R1 if it was not made in Japan would I care..not sure
From a quality standpoint, I don't care. My Thaiump was made there and it's been near perfection. From the standpoint of Americans losing more wealth creating jobs, I'm less stoked.
The brand image was once strong. Iconic, rebellious and 'in your face'. It was HOG that drew the crowds, with rallies and events that were excellently done at first. And then the costs started creeping in, gaps appeared and people realised they were just being played. Today, everyone of that era is a decade older & time has moved on. Loud exhausts and crowding on the roads aren't welcome, and in fact scowled upon these days. Hardly a recipe for high sales, even without the eye watering prices and old fashioned weighty machinery. The world has changed, and we're lucky to still do this crazy hobby these days, but not at Harley's price point. Bring back the good looking Sportster I say. But second hand values will also fall if the brand falls into disrepute, and it's a slippery slope for the mad consumerist rebels..
You can be sure that we will see an increase in price for new Harley Davidson motorcycles regardless of where it's made. I'd buy a new VRod tomorrow if I could be sure it's as high in quality as my original 2007 model. Once you buy your first Harley Davidson you NEVER care about what you used to ride.
Mid 50 year old, Canadian Harley rider here. I prefer it be assembled in the US or Canada. TC96 2008 FXSTC. But now has a long front end, high sissybar, ape hangers, suicide foot clutch and Jockey shifter. But i wont be buying a new Harley again. WAY Too expensive. If they could cut the price by at least $5000 CND, then I might consider it. A huge price drop is necessary. A HUGE price drop is more important to me than where it is assembled.
good video but not sure I agree. Look at Toyota, people thought the same when it went from Japan to Thailand for most of its models. Reality is their sales continued to dominate here in Aus and made no difference. People only care about price unfortunately
My oldest Harley is a 1949 EL Panhead. My newest Harley is a 2012 FLHTCU. In between them is my 1957 45ci Servi-car and my 1968 XLH. I won't be buying any more Harleys. I'm all stocked up here. I also own a 2018 Ural Gear Up.
At leaset they are made in US with better USA quality, rather than cheap ones assembled in Thailand or India or China. Remember you get what you pay for.
Don't care...Harley hasn't made literally anything I am interested in since the Evo.....and I have two of those long lasting. eminently rebuildable wonders...
Is this a joke, OF course American made will matter to Americans. People have been paying an inflated price for that for years. I love Thailand and have a vacation home there but I still wouldn't buy a Thai Harley.
I live in middle America. I know lots of HD guys. Not one of them will buy a new one. Most of them are getting too old to ride. HDs fate is sealed. They will be an apparel company only shortly. That comes from 2 dealers i know personally.
Well i thought HD was completely american made, but it turns out some are 80% foreign made, china Thailand, and other places. Thats probably why they have reliability problems. So 30k for a foreign bitsa , people will be shocked. R
Motorbikes are made in factories, mostly by cnc machines and robotised production lines, just like everything else. Shipping machinery from the other side of the world pretty much evaporates any savings that might be made in cheaper labour costs. Foreign manufacturers already use cheaper, non-union, American labour to skirt import tariffs, and the American working class - just like the English, keep voting against their better interests - not really surprising considering some 41% are functionally illiterate.
The suckers, I mean buyers are already paying American Union-made prices for offshore produced models and accessories. It's called corporate greed where employing American manufacturing and assembly workers is not a priority. HD Inc: No longer an American icon. Give Jochen another carrot.
@@brendan_13 just got to pay the boss off. The boss just has to pretend to be a brawler for a few weeks. There is never an IQ test to join a union, that is for sure.
American made only matters to a certain cross section of American riders; such as myself. For an American rider, like myself, HD shipping U.S. jobs over-seas is unforgiveable. I wanted (demand) the 2023 Pan America (supply), and I paid a premium to have that bike. Supply and demand are how things work in a free market. Was the premium worth it? Yes. Did it have anything to do with being American assembled? Of course. But, that was the least of the considerations. Moving U.S. jobs over-seas was a political faux pas... HD will hardly survive the error, well that and going woke! If prices do not drop considerably, HD is dead as a door nail... U.S. made or not. marcus
A british guy passing judgment on an American company over prices of a motorcycle. We all know HD isn't "American Made". Most if not all parts are sourced from various countries. Most are also assembled in various countries. Big deal. British bikes are far worse when it comes to quality vs cost. British bikes suck ass. People will spend money on Harley Davidson for one reason....the badass history and styling. HD is made in various countries because theirs demand for them, not too many people in Thailand screaming for a BSA or Triumph and not too many people in Britian screaming for Hondas. HD's reputation for classic styling is what sells their bikes. We sure know it isnt the fuckin quality unless its 2011-2015 twin cam big touring bikes. The only real strong years for the bigger bikes.
I only want an American made bike. If it’s Harley it has to be American made, but that German CEO. Has got to go. Not because he is German but because he’s a woke weak leader taking the company down.
Harley Davidson make machines. What does a machine care if the CEO is woke? Your comment says more about you than it does about the CEO. Buy your shitty Harley and ride it…freedom!!!
HD almost died when Reagan was around. 'Wokeness' is just an excuse people make. HD is cooked because boomers are dying and anyone with any sensibility knows the bikes are crap and ain't worth it
The Motor Company ltd. hmmmmm... 'Off-shore and browning' seems to be the smart biz-growth move today. The die-hard "jingo" market will be there as long as "those" make enough money to pay the freight. Many true believers will bend the knee to usury finance to meet that bill. I don't know if there is a long game here.
Prices going up is the EXACT opposite of what HD needs to be doing. They have dealers filled with 2024s they couldn’t sell at a cheaper price. Good luck trying to sell bikes at an even higher price.
Hahaha, Harley's braindead board is bankrupting the company and will not come back this time. HD needs to drop $5k AUD off each bike to even begin to hope to grow sales. Dead company walking.
They can raise the prices all they want. This is my last Harley-Davidson.
If I buy another motorcycle it will be another brand.
I sold my last HD in 2022 after riding them for 20 years never too late to change and move on.
@@scootjockey What do you ride now?
I got stroked on pricing by HD in 2004 . Have been riding Yamaha ever since . Don't miss getting molested at the service department either . Started riding in 1965 on a Triumph so I know overpriced scrap when I see it .
Absolutely. They are already way overpriced. I've been to two dealerships trying to forgive them in the last month. Got completely ignored at the first, the second were assholes. I was absolute about buying a pan america, but I'm done. They are a mess right now. Like a tiny baby boeing.
@@vicfdez7830 Bmw GSA 1250 year 2022 got it with all the mods bought luggage rode 25,000 km this year no real problems.Before that my last HD was the PAS pan america problems and 30,grand less.
I have never bought a Harley from a dealership. I only buy used. I let someone else eat the depreciation.
Considering most dealers are up to their eyeballs with 'new' inventory going back 1-4 years, them raising prices is a truly brilliant idea, from their not at all braindead management/board. I had some interest in the Pan America, but I am not going to pay a HD premium for a bike not made in the us.
I don't care in what country it is made. For most people riding a Harley is nothing more then a hobby, and today's prices are way to high, whatever the country.
The prices of all brands in general are going up...all brands in the similar model market are all comparable to Harley prices...it's not just a Harley thing.
HD is so greedy they raise the prices of none-US built motorcycles as well. Here in Australia, each year, they add $2-3k to bikes that receive absolutely no updates.
Guess what? At the end of the year, they end up discounting up to $10k on new bikes just to get rid of them.
The issue is their image is that of a company that will try to fleece you of as much dough as they can if you are not savvy.
If my bike is built in Thailand, then pass on the savings to me. I don't want to fund your bullshit livewire hobby or your DEI activities.
I am Thai, I am very proud and very happy to have the opportunity to own a Low rider S that Made In Thailand.
It would be impossible for me to afford such this motorcycle. If it was produced in America
Shoot Most of us that CAN afford a commie union made Harley in America don't want to afford one because of the bloated price.
It's not a real Harley!
@@flhxri If its made by the Harley Davidson company, and saids Harley Davidson on it, its a real Harley
bullshit
H-D purist are mad of no more made in USA bikes even tho Thailand probably has better QC then the States.
I have a new RKS, based in Ireland and the bike has a Thai VIN. Stripping it down to do work and most if not all parts are made in the US. So I gather that the bikes are being assembled in Thailand rather than being manufactured there.
Does anyone who doesn't ride a Harley really care?
No, they don't care. They are like kids wanting a shiny bauble. They think of nothing else but to be cool and to support a company that could care less about them.
Harley will go the way of ktm give em another 2 years the chinese are taking over the japs will find it hard to compete royal Enfield will struggle as honda is hitting d small bike market with lower prices an better quality
Why are my comment s being deleted
Holy Cow that’s not provocative at all lol 😊
You must care. You looked at the title of the video and commented.
I have owned many bikes. You buy a Japanese bike for the engine reliability. The suspension and brakes are usually a standard grade.
You buy German for the status and the upgrade on the components suspension, electronics, brakes.
Italian for the looks, heritage, power, mixed reliability. A quality piece with expensive cost.
The Harley you buy for status, the ride, the customizable options.
Harley is quite frankly different experience. They do things to help their communities, run charitable events, organize poker rides. Plus give you quality clothing options to wear. Ya its at a cost, ya the bikes are expensive. However, No other brand does this like Harley. Maybe Indian now? I haven't own one of those yet.
Ya, I have a Harley. I also have two other bikes. I have had many other brands. There is no perfect brand. Or one bike that does it all. I bought an Adventure bike thinking that.😂
I myself, being from the west. Would pay more for a bike made and assembled in the west. I'm tired of outsourced labour practices. If western companies.
Hey, life's short buy what you want and what you can afford. Mostly a bike you can live with.
Bought my softail slim in Nov 2019, took delivery July 2020.
One of the last bikes built in the USA with a US Vin number.
Last new Harley I will ever own 🤷♂️
Love my softail slim , won’t buy another HD
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Best handling of the softails in my opinion, had a few different models
What if the ones made in Thailand have less problems?
How would you feel about going out for Chinese food. Then seeing white people cooking and owning the restaurant. 😂
If you want an American vehicle made in China buy one. Just don't complain when it breaks.
Nothing I find funnier. Than an Amazon customer. Who buys a $2 cheap Chinese tool and it breaks. Then he whines in the comment section. Cheap Chinese crap. What do you expect for $2, Snap On?
If you don't wanna wrench. Get a Honda or Yamaha.
I've wrenched since I was 16. I work on my bikes and ride them. I take pride that none of my vehicles car or bike. Have ever been to a mechanic. My relationship with my vehicles is different than most.
i have a hilux made in Thailand and it had problems from new
Why are you showing pictures of a M8 Softail when you are talking about the Revolution Max moving to off-shore production? This is deceptive, not cool.
It’s all models, not just the RevMax
Nope. Will most likely NEVER buy another new Harley again. I won't be going to their dealerships either. Most of the parts I'll be buying will be from non-Harley companies and I will take my bikes to local shops for service and upgrades. As far as bikes being built to the same specifications being the same ... that theory was proven false years ago when Ford and Chevy started building cars and trucks in Mexico (cheaper labor and less environmental rules) and they are garbage compared to the same make/model made in the states.
Ford and Chevy. Say no more. Manufacturing offshore all comes down to the way that the processes are managed and, of course, what investment businesses are prepared to
make in regards of plant, materials and staff training. If you reckon that Mexicans and Thais can't make a product that equals or exceeds the quality of any other nation's products in this day and age, you're kidding yourself. It's 2024. If you reckon that companies such as Ford, Chevy and perhaps Harley Davidson aren't going to invest enough into producing those products, then you're probably right.
This has nothing to do with where goods are manufactured, it has everything to do with the businesses that manage the process. Ford and Chevy have a long history of making rubbish products on US soil. Toyota and Honda, on the other hand, seem to be able to make quality products in factories located around the globe. Go figure. It's not where this stuff is built, it's who's running the show that makes the difference.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Well son, I live in Montana and own a mexican chevy truck. It is absolute junk. The clutch pedal assembly is made out of 1/8 plastic. Guess what happens when I try to drive my truck in winter? Well once a year or so I have to replace the whole clutch pedal assembly. The Canadian Chevy of the same model doesn't have this problem. Just the mexican.
@@christopherw4527 My whole point is that someone signed off on that. Someone in corporate said "She'll be right, it'll last the warranty period".
Mexican made 5h!t design, German made 5h!t design, Japanese made 5h!t design.
It doesn't matter. Rubbish is rubbish.
And maybe a contemporary vehicle made in another plant incorporates different processes. There could be all reasons for that. Skills, the availability of materials, plant... whatever.
But General Motors Detroit signed off on the design and that process of the Mexican made Chevy.
A bit like Mercedes Benz Germany signed off on the design and processes that built my South African made C230 Kompressor.
It was a rubbish car. Not because it had been manufactured in South Africa, but because ' Benz cheaped out.
There's a Mazda and a Suzuki in my drive way, at the moment. The Kawasaki is in the shed. There's a reason for that.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 true.
HD CVO is more than 50 k€ in Europe. They will increase the price and make them in Asia. Ok perfect combination 😏
Fool's purchase.
picked up a nice 2021 road glide special a few months ago, no way im paying for a new bike.
The USA made bassguitars from Lākland are twice the price as the ones “crafted in Korea”!!!!!! They look the same but there are some small difference ...
And Läklands made in Asia cost as much as many American basses.
They don't make an XL1200 sportster anymore. It was their only bike I would've bought. As luck would have it there's plenty of used ones available for a couple grand.
Harley’s have been made with parts from all over the world for years now. I think a lot of buyers outside of the USA don’t really care much, as long as the quality is still there, and that the price reflects that. I think the big issue is that Union job have been moved offshore and prices have still increased. It also worth noting that it’s not just the RevMax models that have gone to Thailand, it’s all models made for the market outside of the USA.
FYI. Yesterday I stopped in my local HD dealership. They still had at least 50 2024's on the floor and they are motivated sellers. I was told the Road Glide will go up $2K. The Street Glide will go up $500. The guy that owns this one owns 8 others. I was told by the owner he was not going to take the Nightster, Sportster S or Pan America for 2025. He told me they are poor sellers. He also said the bikes would no longer be made in America and the price drop on these now foreign bikes was very very small. So he wants nothing to do with them. If dealers are able to opt out of these bikes, I think this is the end of them.
I hear you - our dealer group has floors still filled with 2024s. They still have 2023s but they are almost all rev max bikes. They don’t sell. Can’t believe they’re raising the prices even though they had trouble selling the bikes at a lower price.
Mate, folks that bought a Pan America between 2021-23, made/assembled in the USA, will know about the shoddy workmanship at the USA factory. Main battery ground cable becoming dislodged from the vehicle, gear shifter bolts coming lose and falling off, and then a bunch of bolts (eg. holding the crash bars, radiator fan) being miss-threaded, wiring harness cables being pinched, wiring harness connectors not properly plugged in/seated. I say, bring Thailand on, because QA and employee care at the USA factory leaves a lot to be desired, generally speaking.
USA quality is definitely on the decline. HD bikes are a good example. Not worth the premium at all.
Im a American, and do value products made in America. I also value products made in the countries of its original orgin.
That was the only thing I was disappointed with on my sport glide made Thailand as the premium price I paid for a iconic American brand, now I have a Street Bob and that has union made in USA I know it is silly but in my head it feels American but saying that when I owned my Yamaha R1 if it was not made in Japan would I care..not sure
Nothing American about Union made anything. The roots come from marxists, and Ol' Lennon.
From a quality standpoint, I don't care. My Thaiump was made there and it's been near perfection. From the standpoint of Americans losing more wealth creating jobs, I'm less stoked.
Just buy second hand.
Second hand values will go up if demand goes up… must admit I will be keeping my Breakout for a long time
European market ones are made in Thailand
The brand image was once strong. Iconic, rebellious and 'in your face'. It was HOG that drew the crowds, with rallies and events that were excellently done at first. And then the costs started creeping in, gaps appeared and people realised they were just being played. Today, everyone of that era is a decade older & time has moved on. Loud exhausts and crowding on the roads aren't welcome, and in fact scowled upon these days. Hardly a recipe for high sales, even without the eye watering prices and old fashioned weighty machinery. The world has changed, and we're lucky to still do this crazy hobby these days, but not at Harley's price point. Bring back the good looking Sportster I say. But second hand values will also fall if the brand falls into disrepute, and it's a slippery slope for the mad consumerist rebels..
You forgot to mention the strength of US $$ and weakness and growing weakness of the UK £.
You can be sure that we will see an increase in price for new Harley Davidson motorcycles regardless of where it's made. I'd buy a new VRod tomorrow if I could be sure it's as high in quality as my original 2007 model. Once you buy your first Harley Davidson you NEVER care about what you used to ride.
Mid 50 year old, Canadian Harley rider here. I prefer it be assembled in the US or Canada. TC96 2008 FXSTC. But now has a long front end, high sissybar, ape hangers, suicide foot clutch and Jockey shifter. But i wont be buying a new Harley again. WAY Too expensive. If they could cut the price by at least $5000 CND, then I might consider it. A huge price drop is necessary. A HUGE price drop is more important to me than where it is assembled.
good video but not sure I agree. Look at Toyota, people thought the same when it went from Japan to Thailand for most of its models. Reality is their sales continued to dominate here in Aus and made no difference. People only care about price unfortunately
My oldest Harley is a 1949 EL Panhead. My newest Harley is a 2012 FLHTCU. In between them is my 1957 45ci Servi-car and my 1968 XLH. I won't be buying any more Harleys. I'm all stocked up here. I also own a 2018 Ural Gear Up.
Its obvious Harley hasn't learned yet!
Harley bike sales are down so lets raise prices. Keep raising prices it won't end well for Harley.
At leaset they are made in US with better USA quality, rather than cheap ones assembled in Thailand or India or China. Remember you get what you pay for.
I am not gonna pay premium price again, no mater brand. I'll stick to my HD as long as I could, until I stop.
The bikes are basically mass produced, maybe prices will stay stable or decrease for 2025?
They're already too high and people are already not buying them. Time for the Indian era.
The Revmax bikes are going down again in price. 2nd yr in a row. People who buy those probably don’t care that it’s made in Taiwan.
That is inevitable. Everything get a kick in the bum.... everything!!
I have had my harley since 2006. There is no reason to buy a new one ever!
Don't care...Harley hasn't made literally anything I am interested in since the Evo.....and I have two of those long lasting. eminently rebuildable wonders...
Is this a joke, OF course American made will matter to Americans. People have been paying an inflated price for that for years. I love Thailand and have a vacation home there but I still wouldn't buy a Thai Harley.
Yes I would pay a premium for an American made motorcycle just as you should pay a premium for a British made motorcycle.
I live in middle America. I know lots of HD guys. Not one of them will buy a new one. Most of them are getting too old to ride. HDs fate is sealed. They will be an apparel company only shortly. That comes from 2 dealers i know personally.
Harley-Davidson should immediately start diversifying into US bread-making companies becuase their motorcycle business is toast.
Well that's going to help Indian sales
Just wish Polaris had more dealerships around.
Really? Prices are going up? 🤣 Have you stepped in a store these days and bought ANYTHING?
HD won't make it. Things are already pretty dire and they aren't going to get better.
I prefer Davidson bikes over Harley.
All motorcycles are “global” from a parts perspective.
I have no interest in efi and mapping.
That excludes everything being built.
I wouldn't recommend HD to anyone and I'm not selling mine.
Price is why I favor Chinese motorcycles. 😂
Well i thought HD was completely
american made, but it turns out
some are 80% foreign made, china
Thailand, and other places. Thats
probably why they have reliability
problems. So 30k for a foreign
bitsa , people will be shocked. R
What reliability problems?
Motorbikes are made in factories, mostly by cnc machines and robotised production lines, just like everything else. Shipping machinery from the other side of the world pretty much evaporates any savings that might be made in cheaper labour costs. Foreign manufacturers already use cheaper, non-union, American labour to skirt import tariffs, and the American working class - just like the English, keep voting against their better interests - not really surprising considering some 41% are functionally illiterate.
Why would anyone buy American when you can have Chinese at quarter the cost and twice the quality ?
The suckers, I mean buyers are already paying American Union-made prices for offshore produced models and accessories. It's called corporate greed where employing American manufacturing and assembly workers is not a priority. HD Inc: No longer an American icon. Give Jochen another carrot.
The union trash is the problem. I'd go overseas too if I had a bunch of lazy employees telling me they'll throw a hissy fit.
@@christopherw4527 a guy that has never worked union.
@@frankfurther3828 i have never. proudly
It says a lot about the union letting jobs go offshore.
@@brendan_13 just got to pay the boss off. The boss just has to pretend to be a brawler for a few weeks. There is never an IQ test to join a union, that is for sure.
American made only matters to a certain cross section of American riders; such as myself.
For an American rider, like myself, HD shipping U.S. jobs over-seas is unforgiveable.
I wanted (demand) the 2023 Pan America (supply), and I paid a premium to have that bike. Supply and demand are how things work in a free market.
Was the premium worth it? Yes. Did it have anything to do with being American assembled? Of course. But, that was the least of the considerations.
Moving U.S. jobs over-seas was a political faux pas... HD will hardly survive the error, well that and going woke!
If prices do not drop considerably, HD is dead as a door nail... U.S. made or not.
marcus
Duh!
HD are allready 2 damm expensive its a motorcycle not a damm house
A british guy passing judgment on an American company over prices of a motorcycle. We all know HD isn't "American Made". Most if not all parts are sourced from various countries. Most are also assembled in various countries. Big deal. British bikes are far worse when it comes to quality vs cost. British bikes suck ass. People will spend money on Harley Davidson for one reason....the badass history and styling. HD is made in various countries because theirs demand for them, not too many people in Thailand screaming for a BSA or Triumph and not too many people in Britian screaming for Hondas. HD's reputation for classic styling is what sells their bikes. We sure know it isnt the fuckin quality unless its 2011-2015 twin cam big touring bikes. The only real strong years for the bigger bikes.
I only want an American made bike. If it’s Harley it has to be American made, but that German CEO. Has got to go. Not because he is German but because he’s a woke weak leader taking the company down.
Harley Davidson make machines. What does a machine care if the CEO is woke?
Your comment says more about you than it does about the CEO.
Buy your shitty Harley and ride it…freedom!!!
HD almost died when Reagan was around. 'Wokeness' is just an excuse people make. HD is cooked because boomers are dying and anyone with any sensibility knows the bikes are crap and ain't worth it
MAGA 😂
Harley is no longer American made.
Harley will fall
No more grandmas and grandpas to buy those rattling around boxes..
I prepared by buying two new yamaha's and a honda ....
Ugh.
have a 2017 road king special. love it. go woke, go broke. will never buy another Harley and I never wear anything with their logo
The Motor Company ltd.
hmmmmm...
'Off-shore and browning' seems to be the smart biz-growth move today.
The die-hard "jingo" market will be there as long as "those" make enough money to pay the freight. Many true believers will bend the knee to usury finance to meet that bill.
I don't know if there is a long game here.