Back on the road again. First Ride of 2024 and a question about fuel types - E10 vs E5?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2024
- We've been too long off the bike and it's time to get back in the saddle. What's taken us so long? It's good to be riding again...
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I use E0 fuel all the time here in France even though some of my bikes will run on E10. The reason being that E0 petrol has a higher calorific value than E10 which results in higher MPG. In the UK Esso is still available ethanol free in certain areas, even though by law like France it must be marked up as E5.
Driving in the USA on vacation our rental SUV was an E95 engine, and E95 fuel was one dollar cheaper and the SUV returned 21 in stead of 22 mpg. My 2013 2nd Gen GL1800 ran with no difference when on E10. My better insisted that a Blue Tour DCT looked beautiful, so in October we swapped, and the DCT runs with no problem on E10.
Thanks Roger. That's another vote for putting E10 in our bike. I feel a lot more confident about doing that now.
The looks of the 2018+ Goldwing have really grown on me - especially having spent many miles one weekend following our friends on their lovely blue DCT.
I used to keep my 2nd Gen off the road during winter months, but we decided not to SORN the wing, as some days can be beautiful in winter months, and we would dress for the temperature and get out. You do not have to SORN if you decide not to ride during the winter.
I'm a cheapskate and didn't want to be paying road tax over the winter :)
pleased to see you back on the Bike Johnathan. Looking forward to your videos. Ref the E10 just about every bike has no issue with the fuel. There was a list on the Government site at the change over, but like all Gov sites there were vehicles on it that were classed as not suitable , when manufactures were clearly stating the engines were ok up to E15, of course there were the ones listed as ok when they were not ok.
My V900 was ok with E10 as is my new bike 21 Plate Goldwing tour.
Thanks for your comment. Over winter I kind of forgot all the bike but as soon as I booked the service & MOT I got all excited about riding again!
Thanks for your comments about fuel. I'm happy to go with a good E10 now.
Hubby says they seem to have cured the issues with newer vehicles but E10 in older, classic or vehicles that sit for long periods, even lawnmowers, would benefit from fuel draining or putting in an additive. We do with all ours that sit for overwintering.
Thanks for that input. Funnily enough we had our fuel system flushed out yesterday as part of the service and I think I'll be happy with a good E10 from now on.
I ride an older bike (92) E5 for me.
Thanks Adrian. Is that choice based purely on the age of the bike?
Awww, did you make a little video?
In your area, are you able to find pure gas or ethanol free gas? In Texas you can find it scattered around. We also have this certification at select gas stations called top tier gas and they are tested often. Another option is to get your gas at new brand name station. In my area the most common gas has 10 percent ethanol in all three grades. The grades I’m talking about are regular mid grade and super.
I'm not aware of any ethanol-free petrol being available anywhere, other than maybe specialist motorsport type sellers. We typically have 3 choices of fuel at UK stations: E10, E5 & diesel.
When I was a boy we had 2 star, 3 star, 4 star and even 5 star petrol. Those were the days :)
I just picked up my new (to me) goldwing two days ago, just in time for a bit of nice weather here on iom 😁 ..you just know they'll be digging that nice bit o tarmac up for utilities soon enough, lol.
Excellent! What model Goldwing do you have now?
You know, I almost said that in my commentary but thought I'd leave out the pessimism just so I could wallow in the positives for a few short days. :)
2002 gl1800, just got it off a friend who has far too many bikes, so sold me the wing. I've taken out shares in a chrome polish company now, lol..causing arguments with my missus now because she wants to name it Gertrude 😄
It's a great bike isn't it? Still loving ours and, if anything, we're loving it more and more.
It's taken me a bit by surprise how much I love it tbh..I've booked to go over to spain later this year with missus and we can't wait 👍
Your bike will be fine on E10 mate, the only issue that it really causes are that the ethanol attacks things like unsuitable o rings and rubber pipes, also it absorbs more water than E5 but as long as its in a relatively sealed system you will be fine.
Thanks Simon. I assume you've always been happy with E10? Not just on your current bike but previous ones too?
Anyway, now we're back on the road, how about that ride out one day? :P
@@fbglife Yes i run E10. Be good to finally go for a ride, give me a bell when you have some spare time 👍
I think the only difference if any between E10 and E5 would be seen on a dyno if you were measuring it on performance. But to be honest the lines of 99 percent of riders wouldn't notice any difference . The only problem ethanol can cause is a speed up of deterioration on plastic and rubber parts on the fuel system, but that's about it really.
I think in the UK as well as here in Australia it has been tested and found that as long as you keep to a max of 10 percent ethanol it won't do any damage to your vehicle. Manufacturers spend millions testing engines with a variety of fuels, so if Honda recommends the E10 then it won't do any harm.
Don't believe the hype people spread about how bad E10 is, it is all nonsense and people pass the info on without knowing the truth.
Thanks Dan, that's well-reasoned opinion. It seems most riders are happy with E10 and that, yes, I have believed the hype! Not any more though!
I use E5 in my older 90's bikes (one is carbs) and E10 in the newer ones. I don't why people say supermarket E10 is bad. Tesco, for example, always used to be supplied fuel by esso. Supermarket fuel will come out of a major brands refinery. Why would they bother producing a lower quality fuel for supermarkets?
Hello Trevor, thanks for your comment.
Maria at Honda suggested the supermarket fuel doesn't have the additives and/or detergents that branded fuel does - sorry, I forget to mention that in my video commentary.
I've just done a quick search and the articles I've seen seem to concur. It appears the basic fuel is the same but branded petrol has more stuff put into it.
www.fuelcardservices.com/why-is-supermarket-fuel-cheaper-than-branded-petrol/
www.rightfuelcard.co.uk/news/supermarket-fuel-vs-branded-which-is-best-for-my-fleet
I haven't the faintest idea what this means to 'real world' motoring as opposed to theoretical and hypothetical situations but it's good to hear so many people are happy putting E10 in their bikes. Thanks.
@fbglife thanks for the links, I'm still not convinced. The price difference now is not that great anymore. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same stuff. Major brands will need a reason to justify a slightly higher price. I certainly won't be put off using supermarket fuel, there doesn't seem to be anything solid in those articles to say otherwise. Each to their own. 🙂
That's fair enough. It seems there's not a lot of transparency around what's in those fuels (understandable to a degree I suppose) and it leaves us all to make up our own minds. Like you say, each to their own.
Springtime at last… I only use E5 in my o2 wing… it’s a rip off price though… 160 a litre at my local esso
Ho Gary, can I ask why you use E5?
@@fbglife the high content of ethanol in E10 will damage internal rubber/plastic components within the fuel system over time.