Very nice. In Mexico, everyone does this to their 12 strings. The most popular north Mexican music right now consists of a tuba, 6 string, and a 12 string lead Guitar with unison tuned strings. If you’re interested, just look up any of this artists or groups: Virlan Garcia, Ariel Camacho, Alta Consigna.
Jorge Aguilera me gusta la musica de Mexico Norte, en California sur era popular entre mis amigos. Por favor perdonas mi español pobre, entiendo más de lo que puedo hablo, y quero practicar :)
I think the effect that's pleasing you is called "chorusing." When I played my Dano 12 (strung the conventional way) in the store before I bought it, the two unison courses (B + E pairs) had a chorusing sound-I asked the salesperson if the amp had a built in chorus effect, but it was just a normal amp. The "unison" string pairs are very slightly different in pitch, and when you bend them, this becomes even more evident-they don't bend to exactly the same pitch. I have to say, I didn't like the tone of the unison pairs. The octave pairs sounded better to my ear, and I often avoid the unison pairs when playing lines.
AndyLovesMusic That tuning has a very special name & it's called Sierreño tuning. Sierreno is of course 2 sets of 6 String Guitar string sets on a 12 String. The Sierreno people replace the octave string pairs w/ all unison string pairs because it sounds alot like the Bajo Sexto & also blends in with a Bajo Sexto.
It is a mechanical chorus (or related), definitely. But interesting that when bending, it captures the slight differences due to how the bending affects differently for each of the parallel strings. Nice!
What a delightful idea!! I've bought some cheap 12string guitar from gear4music for like 80£, even tried to put rickenbacker humbucker in there... been never happy with a tone, today I've bought Danelectro.. and now was thinking what should I do with that other guitar... and this idea is just really something! I'll have more tones in my collection, Thank you!!
Thanks Andy for the demo . I own 4 12 strings love them myself. Now of course I will convert my Dano to this setup. Best to keep the Beatle Rickenbacher in the standard setup. I can see how much more useful this setup would be in trying to play any kind of lead lines.And yes I would think tracking and playing the Rick and the new setup on my Dano would make a great combination.
Interesting idea. I have a Dano 12 too, which is how I happened upon this video. I also have an Avante Gryphon, which utilizes the same idea (courses in unison rather than octaves), but it's a 3/4 size guitar, tuned D to D. So it sounds a bit like an acoustic 12 string capo'ed at 10.
You get a unique sound with that bend like double track full sound. Thanks for a great video answering my question ...what happens if you tune 12 string in unison.Thank God for you answering my question. God continued blessings
@@andylovesmusic4305 Fun fact that's the same tuning used in Northern Mexican music because it sounds almost like a Bajo Sexto. The Octaves Tuning is ideal for Rhythm Playing, but the Unison String tuning works well for Lead playing cause there isn't yet (Octave4Plus makes a High B String) a High E5 String for 12 String & w/a 25.5 inch scale length there isn't yet a string thin enough to tune up to an E5 (same high E as on the Mandolin).
daniel redman in north western mexico there is style of music where they have a bass player, a regular 6 string on harmony, and an acoustic 12 string with unison strings not octave playing melody. they sure have a different, thicker sound.
That may not be a significant problem, because even though you would be using a thicker string, it would not be tuned an octave higher -- like the thinner string would be.... The overall string tensions would be similar; and, you can check this out by looking at manufacturers' string tension charts for whole sets, or individual strings... A low E string does not have twice or triple the tension of a high E string; for instance, in a set of extra-light D'Addario chrome flatwounds, the high E is 16.22 lbs, and the low E is 20.36 lbs (and if you customize the set, and choose a low E of 0.045" instead of 0.048", its tension is 17.73 lbs)..... ** But, the problems you may run into are the string slot sizes in the nut and bridge, and the distance between each slot in a pair, which could cause the strings to vibrate against each other (too much).... If the bridge has holes where strings pass through, these may also be too small in some cases... I would expect to have to adjust the slots in the nut and bridge (or replace them).
I do the exact same thing with my 12 string acoustic, however I use 13s instead of 9s. I do this in a Jazz/Metal/Country/Renaissance Festival setting. What I used to do is mix 9s and 11s, however.
@@andylovesmusic4305 Really dig the sound bud. I’m going to try this on my SG 12 string.Sounds great on your Dano. I’ve got several tuned in various tunings, but have never considered this. Makes so much sense too. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Mr. Schneider. I have this same exact guitar and I am seriously thinking of trying this stringing. How did the neck do with all of that added tension from the fatter strings? Thank you.
Great question, thanks for asking. You know, I'm not sure how the swap affects the overall tension on the neck, whether it gets higher or lower. But to answer your question, no I haven't noticed any adverse effects - bending the neck.
@@andylovesmusic4305 Thank you! Some of my guitars' necks are super sensitive to the slightest string gauge change (my Les Paul), but hopefully this one will be fine.
I considered trying this a while ago, when looking at mandolins, but never did because i only currently own one 12 string and I need it for the normal 12 string jangling stuff, but when I get my next 12 string I'm definitely gonna set the old one up like this. sounds really cool.
+Ismael Flores Thanks, Ismael! I installed a push/pull pot in the tone position. Pulling it out switches the neck pickup's phase. I use this guitar all the time on my TH-cam webshow and live.
I love the sound of Dano's and that sounds really great! And so will remember this trick when i get a Dano myself. It's on the shopping list as a regular Dano 59M ? i think they are. Nice stuff dude. Thanks
Really cool. I'll have to give this a try. I recently chaged out the octave at G for one tuned in unison on my acoustic. Got tired of the 8-guage always breaking! Like you've demonstrated, it's a fuller sound, for sure.
Thanks for remembering, Jesse! Yes, I played a baritone around Austin, TX and NYC when I lived there. Then, I switched to a Charlie Hunter 8-string. Seems I can't do anything the usual way:) Did we know each other?
@@andylovesmusic4305 Big fan of Box 10. I probably saw you with them 2-3 times in Ames, including the Battle of the Bands you played. Hung out with Kurt Hicok and also acquaintance of Kevin's sis, Jolene. In the band I saw you playing this particular guitar with, I think you were also singing and you had the big guy from Sun Dogs playing bass, I think. This was at Dugan's Deli, and you might have been opening for another band. After you left the band, my band would open for them in Ames, and then when I moved to Decorah, Iowa, Hef, who played bass, came in with a band called The New Regulars (I think) and he told me that in 2 weeks Box 10 were going to be coming to Decorah. I had a Laney half stack that Chuck loved and when I showed up early that Friday, Chuck asked if I would bring it for him to use.
I've thought of experimenting with a .009 guage, and a .010 guage set to achieve a very slight chromatic timbre difference between the two sets. I also want to experiment with tuning each pair in fifths.
the issue there would be that that might accentuate the bending difference to the point of dissonance rather than a desireable chorussing effect. Perhaps not though! Also it would probably make a difference which way round you strung it, that is to say the thinner gauge on the inside or the outside of the bend. Have you tried this yet? If so, what were your results? As for 5ths, I'd imagine that novelty would wear off pretty fast
@UCaCgdAb1C_60rjcqkPDMesw @UCaCgdAb1C_60rjcqkPDMesw The Octave String pairs (on pairs 4-6) are perfect for Rhythm playing, the new Unison tuning sounds perfect for Lead playing & also Northern Tex Mex Music because if you also played Tex Mex this may allow you to record the Bajo Sexto parts.
That's a good way to put it! It's like a doubling effect or light chorus until string bending happens. Then, the effect is much more pronounced and sounds like double-tracked guitars. Thanks for asking!
That sounds good but here’s one for you .do a Nashville tuning of the same thing high strung use the high strings double when you record the six string parts you play your 12 string on the backside or the second track panned all the way to the right .while the six string electric is panned mostly to the left the combination of those two will shock you give it a try. I did this and the six string electric using the neck pick up but some tremolo in the a.m.P . The playback was pretty cool but whatever your imagination comes up with in combination it’s very much fun.
You want a Full sound, try a Crafter SAT, with the p90, and split with a y cable to a tube and an acoustic amp. Sounds so big its like Phil Spector on roids!
"his new tuning" What the hell are you on about? There's nothing new about it and you never developed it. Its just unison tuning rather than octave tuning. Its uncommon these days on a 12 string guitar. But there are instruments dating back pretty much as long as guitars have existed that have been strung this way.
@UCaCgdAb1C_60rjcqkPDMesw @UCaCgdAb1C_60rjcqkPDMesw The Octave String pairs (on pairs 4-6) are perfect for Rhythm playing, the new Unison tuning sounds perfect for Lead playing & also Northern Tex Mex Music because if you also played Tex Mex this may allow you to record the Bajo Sexto parts.
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Very nice. In Mexico, everyone does this to their 12 strings. The most popular north Mexican music right now consists of a tuba, 6 string, and a 12 string lead Guitar with unison tuned strings. If you’re interested, just look up any of this artists or groups: Virlan Garcia, Ariel Camacho, Alta Consigna.
Jorge Aguilera me gusta la musica de Mexico Norte, en California sur era popular entre mis amigos. Por favor perdonas mi español pobre, entiendo más de lo que puedo hablo, y quero practicar :)
Oh and I love Ariel Camacho
Nah Jorge doceavas are better 💪🏽
very interesting, I'll check out these recommendations, thanks!
Hey this is the same tuning
I think the effect that's pleasing you is called "chorusing." When I played my Dano 12 (strung the conventional way) in the store before I bought it, the two unison courses (B + E pairs) had a chorusing sound-I asked the salesperson if the amp had a built in chorus effect, but it was just a normal amp. The "unison" string pairs are very slightly different in pitch, and when you bend them, this becomes even more evident-they don't bend to exactly the same pitch. I have to say, I didn't like the tone of the unison pairs. The octave pairs sounded better to my ear, and I often avoid the unison pairs when playing lines.
AndyLovesMusic That tuning has a very special name & it's called Sierreño tuning. Sierreno is of course 2 sets of 6 String Guitar string sets on a 12 String. The Sierreno people replace the octave string pairs w/ all unison string pairs because it sounds alot like the Bajo Sexto & also blends in with a Bajo Sexto.
It is a mechanical chorus (or related), definitely. But interesting that when bending, it captures the slight differences due to how the bending affects differently for each of the parallel strings. Nice!
Crazy to me that this isn't more talked about! I googled to see what it might sound like and this is the ONLY video I found about it!
Very cool :) I will try this once my 12-string guitar build is complete. Thank You.
What a delightful idea!! I've bought some cheap 12string guitar from gear4music for like 80£, even tried to put rickenbacker humbucker in there... been never happy with a tone, today I've bought Danelectro.. and now was thinking what should I do with that other guitar... and this idea is just really something! I'll have more tones in my collection, Thank you!!
Thanks Andy for the demo . I own 4 12 strings love them myself. Now of course I will convert my Dano to this setup. Best to keep the Beatle Rickenbacher in the standard setup. I can see how much more useful this setup would be in trying to play any kind of lead lines.And yes I would think tracking and playing the Rick and the new setup on my Dano would make a great combination.
Interesting idea. I have a Dano 12 too, which is how I happened upon this video. I also have an Avante Gryphon, which utilizes the same idea (courses in unison rather than octaves), but it's a 3/4 size guitar, tuned D to D. So it sounds a bit like an acoustic 12 string capo'ed at 10.
Very cool idea. I actually stumbled my way here looking if anybody has ever tuned a 12 to a low B but your 12 sounds huge. Great idea
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@@bradleestone5344 I've done the low B tuning on my 12. Monstrous...
Try it
You get a unique sound with that bend like double track full sound. Thanks for a great video answering my question ...what happens if you tune 12 string in unison.Thank God for you answering my question. God continued blessings
Sounds like Malcolm and Angus in the same room with those chords
Shean Carey You are now my favorite person! Thanks for the compliment.
@@andylovesmusic4305 I have a 12 String Guitar w/ the Octave Strings because it produces a nice sound:th-cam.com/video/ToVa9iGKB_s/w-d-xo.html
@@andylovesmusic4305 Fun fact that's the same tuning used in Northern Mexican music because it sounds almost like a Bajo Sexto. The Octaves Tuning is ideal for Rhythm Playing, but the Unison String tuning works well for Lead playing cause there isn't yet (Octave4Plus makes a High B String) a High E5 String for 12 String & w/a 25.5 inch scale length there isn't yet a string thin enough to tune up to an E5 (same high E as on the Mandolin).
if i were to do this on my acoustic 12 string, would i risk ripping the bridge off with the (presumed) extra pressure?
Great question! Thanks for asking, Daniel. I think it could be dangerous. Best to consult with a guitar tech before trying.
Will do. Thanks!
daniel redman in north western mexico there is style of music where they have a bass player, a regular 6 string on harmony, and an acoustic 12 string with unison strings not octave playing melody. they sure have a different, thicker sound.
That may not be a significant problem, because even though you would be using a thicker string, it would not be tuned an octave higher -- like the thinner string would be.... The overall string tensions would be similar; and, you can check this out by looking at manufacturers' string tension charts for whole sets, or individual strings... A low E string does not have twice or triple the tension of a high E string; for instance, in a set of extra-light D'Addario chrome flatwounds, the high E is 16.22 lbs, and the low E is 20.36 lbs (and if you customize the set, and choose a low E of 0.045" instead of 0.048", its tension is 17.73 lbs).....
** But, the problems you may run into are the string slot sizes in the nut and bridge, and the distance between each slot in a pair, which could cause the strings to vibrate against each other (too much).... If the bridge has holes where strings pass through, these may also be too small in some cases... I would expect to have to adjust the slots in the nut and bridge (or replace them).
So basically like a mandolin?
Yes, sir! Same idea. Double sets of strings, tuned alike. Let me know if you try it!
Nice sounds
Thanks, Neil!
Did you file the nut on the bottom 4 strings to accommodate the thicker gauge?
I do the exact same thing with my 12 string acoustic, however I use 13s instead of 9s. I do this in a Jazz/Metal/Country/Renaissance Festival setting. What I used to do is mix 9s and 11s, however.
Very cool, Alexi!
The guitar is so loud that you can also hear the unamplified strings and the amp. Radical
Good ears, my man!
Cool man i tuned this way too but Eb and then all strings in unison is cool gives a double guitar effect rock on
Hey dude, did you replace the nut on your Dano to accommodate the wider gauges strings normally cut for the lighter octaves?
Great question, my friend! I did replace the nut with a bone nut, cut for the specific gauges I use. Thanks for asking!
@@andylovesmusic4305 Really dig the sound bud. I’m going to try this on my SG 12 string.Sounds great on your Dano. I’ve got several tuned in various tunings, but have never considered this. Makes so much sense too. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Mr. Schneider. I have this same exact guitar and I am seriously thinking of trying this stringing. How did the neck do with all of that added tension from the fatter strings? Thank you.
Great question, thanks for asking. You know, I'm not sure how the swap affects the overall tension on the neck, whether it gets higher or lower. But to answer your question, no I haven't noticed any adverse effects - bending the neck.
@@andylovesmusic4305 Thank you! Some of my guitars' necks are super sensitive to the slightest string gauge change (my Les Paul), but hopefully this one will be fine.
I considered trying this a while ago, when looking at mandolins, but never did because i only currently own one 12 string and I need it for the normal 12 string jangling stuff, but when I get my next 12 string I'm definitely gonna set the old one up like this. sounds really cool.
Cool, Charlie! Let me know how it goes!
that's neat! I just put new strings on my Danelectro...but next time I'm trying this. how did you get it out of phase like that? sounds killer!
+Ismael Flores Thanks, Ismael! I installed a push/pull pot in the tone position. Pulling it out switches the neck pickup's phase. I use this guitar all the time on my TH-cam webshow and live.
Very nice! 12-stringers unite!
I love the sound of Dano's and that sounds really great! And so will remember this trick when i get a Dano myself. It's on the shopping list as a regular Dano 59M ? i think they are. Nice stuff dude. Thanks
Thanks to you, my friend! Danos are a great value and really overlooked by the crowd. Let me know how it goes!
Really cool man!
thejakeyboi Thank you!
Oh great! ;-( Now I have to buy another electric 12 string. On the plus side, identical gauges will intonate accurately. Sounds very good.
Sorry, I just saw your comment, Rich. Yes, the intonation works very well.
Really cool. I'll have to give this a try. I recently chaged out the octave at G for one tuned in unison on my acoustic. Got tired of the 8-guage always breaking! Like you've demonstrated, it's a fuller sound, for sure.
Sounds like how Randy Rhoads always multi tracked his solos. Ever consider using different gauge strings to get a different timbre?
Great idea!
Thanks, you just converted this one. Great sound.
Didn't you also used to play some kind of baritone or Bass IV?
Thanks for remembering, Jesse! Yes, I played a baritone around Austin, TX and NYC when I lived there. Then, I switched to a Charlie Hunter 8-string. Seems I can't do anything the usual way:) Did we know each other?
@@andylovesmusic4305 Big fan of Box 10. I probably saw you with them 2-3 times in Ames, including the Battle of the Bands you played. Hung out with Kurt Hicok and also acquaintance of Kevin's sis, Jolene. In the band I saw you playing this particular guitar with, I think you were also singing and you had the big guy from Sun Dogs playing bass, I think. This was at Dugan's Deli, and you might have been opening for another band. After you left the band, my band would open for them in Ames, and then when I moved to Decorah, Iowa, Hef, who played bass, came in with a band called The New Regulars (I think) and he told me that in 2 weeks Box 10 were going to be coming to Decorah. I had a Laney half stack that Chuck loved and when I showed up early that Friday, Chuck asked if I would bring it for him to use.
Thanks, great idea!
+TheTechnicalsoul Let me know if you try this, can't wait to see what you do with it.
Yeah... Young Guns.. Fantastic actors, awesome
I've thought of experimenting with a .009 guage, and a .010 guage set to achieve a very slight chromatic timbre difference between the two sets. I also want to experiment with tuning each pair in fifths.
the issue there would be that that might accentuate the bending difference to the point of dissonance rather than a desireable chorussing effect. Perhaps not though! Also it would probably make a difference which way round you strung it, that is to say the thinner gauge on the inside or the outside of the bend. Have you tried this yet? If so, what were your results?
As for 5ths, I'd imagine that novelty would wear off pretty fast
@@Muzikman127 You are correct about the novelty of tuning if fifths. Chords sound bad, only lead sounds "different!"
That the guy who played in Fargo right ?
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The Octave String pairs (on pairs 4-6) are perfect for Rhythm playing, the new Unison tuning sounds perfect for Lead playing & also Northern Tex Mex Music because if you also played Tex Mex this may allow you to record the Bajo Sexto parts.
Thanks, Mr. Stern!
@@andylovesmusic4305 Yes this is a pretty common Tuning that alot of people from Mexico who moved to texas do.
@@andylovesmusic4305 Mexican 12 string Tuning which is great for imitating a Bajo Sexto tone.
If you wish you could use the Lightest gauge.
You could try to tune the strings in 4th or 5th intervals to get a powerchord feeling?
I love it! I don't see why not. If you try it, let me know how it goes.
so it sounds like a 6 string with a good chorus effect?
That's a good way to put it! It's like a doubling effect or light chorus until string bending happens. Then, the effect is much more pronounced and sounds like double-tracked guitars. Thanks for asking!
What is Nashville tuning? I remember Joe Satriani used it one of his songs.
I know something like regular guitar tuning some strings octave higher?
Nashville is stringing a 6 string up with the octave strings of a 12 string set.
Cool idea!
That sounds good but here’s one for you .do a Nashville tuning of the same thing high strung use the high strings double when you record the six string parts you play your 12 string on the backside or the second track panned all the way to the right .while the six string electric is panned mostly to the left the combination of those two will shock you give it a try. I did this and the six string electric using the neck pick up but some tremolo in the a.m.P . The playback was pretty cool but whatever your imagination comes up with in combination it’s very much fun.
Has the neck held up to the test of time? I would love to try this but I can't afford to buy another guitar! Hahaha
Good question. Yes, mine is doing well. Its been a couple years and I don't remember ever having to adjust the truss rod.
AndyLovesMusic awesome! Thanks for the reply, in definitely going to try this!
So good! Let me know how it goes. 12-stringers unite!
Sounds like slap back echo
sweet amp back there
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, Lon. Just saw this. Thanks for noticing! That's my 1978 Marshall Club & Country with 4-10s. A fun one!
You want a Full sound, try a Crafter SAT, with the p90, and split with a y cable to a tube and an acoustic amp. Sounds so big its like Phil Spector on roids!
Damn! I thought I came up with this first
Isaac Cool, Isaac! Got any videos we can check out? Love to see your stuff.
yet to see someone have the two strings tuned to different intervals. welp. Guess I gotta do it. As sacrilegious as it probably is
2 sets of regular strings tuned in unison-- for anyone who doesn't wanna wait for the answer!
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I see the appeal, but I'm not a fan.
"his new tuning" What the hell are you on about? There's nothing new about it and you never developed it. Its just unison tuning rather than octave tuning. Its uncommon these days on a 12 string guitar. But there are instruments dating back pretty much as long as guitars have existed that have been strung this way.
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The Octave String pairs (on pairs 4-6) are perfect for Rhythm playing, the new Unison tuning sounds perfect for Lead playing & also Northern Tex Mex Music because if you also played Tex Mex this may allow you to record the Bajo Sexto parts.