It's what Archer deserves for never listening to her suggestions special thanks to Xindi on ex-astris-scientia for compiling a list of Enterprise's time travel episodes and summaries
Einstein: “You can time travel by either wormhole or probably exceeding the speed of light.” T’pol: “But, The science vulcan directorate say it’s impossible to time travel…”
If The Vulcan Science Directorate has made a determination that time travel is impossible, how come Spock did it, when they had to rescue 2 Whales from 1980's earth and get back the same way, by sling shotting around the sun ! Yes, I know Enterprise is before Kirk and Spock, and as someone has pointed out in their answer here, Vulcans are into some shady crap, and I know that would also mean Time Travel. Way too secretive and dismissive.
@@bravobr9725 simple logic, if they openly admitted it was possible then scientists would attempt to do it and possibly cause irrepairable damage to the time line. To prevent that from happening they must state that time travel is impossible
She said it so many times that I'm really surprised she didn't do the standard fingers in ears and "la la la la" bit as well when Archer spoke about it. Archer could have really made a good quip there though. "it shows how advanced Vulcans are, they are how many centuries ahead of Earth? Yet it's Humans who are time travelling while Vulcans are still denying it can be done."
Determining that something is impossible, does not make it so ! A determination of anything is as simple as saying, we don't actually know. they are pissed, because they have not yet done it. So if they can't prove it, it can't happen !!!! That's so wrong and illogical on way too many levels. It also implies a certain level of ignorance and arrogance.
Behind the scenes, even Jolene Blalock was known to adlib a line or two. There's a particular scene that aired that was filmed in sickbay where her character quipped and the other actors nearly broke character suppressing their urge to laugh. I believe it was the episode where Tripp got knocked up and alien-prego and she played T'Pol as both amused and not amused.
I love how T’Pol continues to say that the vulcan science directorate says time travel isn’t possible. Its like if she continues to say it, then maybe it will eventually become true.
Technically, the fact that the Vulcan Science Directorate says time travel is impossible *is* true. Though that doesn't mean that their belief it itself justified.
@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Whether the Vulcan Science Directorate *believes* time travel is impossible is distinct from whether it *is* possible. In the Trek universe, clearly they believe it isn’t but it in fact is.
Only me sees a disguised joke on religionist blind faith here? Vulcans had lost their roots at this time and became quite fundamentalist. Anything established became a dogma. And dogmas are not scientific. We should keep that in mind since Einstein at least. We just have this for a while now. But things change. All the time.
It's kind of amazing that really up until that point all the smartest races in the galaxey didn't have any evidence that timetravel exists. Than humans take to the stars and they have time travel adventures like every third adventure. The Vulcans must be up here like "we have been exploring this area of space for over 1000 years than these Humans come along and in 5 years they find 3 different God like beings, and have gone back in time 82 different times and One of them even found an altenate universe"
This boils down to what I like to call 'The Irwin Effect', whereas other intelligent species will see a big scary dangerous thing and rightly avoid it, humans have a tendency to quite literally thump it with a stick.....thus shenanigans through time and space!
@@Veklim Humans used to hunt bears for sport with .. spears. Then you have those crazies that chase after venomous snakes to catch with their bare hands. Don't forget those over size Russians that have contests in face slapping to knock the spit out of each other's mouths.
@@Veklim that makes sense. There's an episode where ambassador s'val is talking with Admiral Forrest about how the Vulcans can't define Humans. I feel that humans would be defined as "Curious"
@@dubsessed9790"Crikey! That there is a Borg Drone, one of the nastiest beings in the known in the galaxy. It's tendrils can assimilate you instantaneously! ... Imma thump it with a hyper spanner!" "Resistance is futile." "ITS ANGRY!"
Jolene Blalock is so underrated as an actress, it's not even funny. She could convey the entire deepness and texture of her character with only slight facial gestures, the emotion in her eyes, and very subtle voice inflections. Amazing.
She's ... ok. And so was Jeri Ryan as 7 of 9. But if you want true genius watch, or re-watch, V for Vendetta. Weaving conveys the entire wealth of human emotion and expression all while wearing a fixed, full face mask.
@@amberscion1513 The hottest woman I watched was V. she had a body and was sexy (bad sexy at that). Diane Baldrock - was the sexiest woman for a great while.
They already encountered holodeck technology at this point. As well as aliens capable of mental illusions. Both are as valid a explanation as time travel.
Could be a holodeck, mind altering aliens, Q playing games. The real evidence is when they return. after spending so many hours in the past, they return to just moments after they left where Trip is still holding the duty roster.
The way Vulcans use the word 'logic' in Star Trek reminds me of that one line from the Princess Bride: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
T'Pol: “The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible” Daniels sitting there with a drill set to reverse hooked to a clock: "I'm about to do what's called a pro gamer move."
I was hoping to see Archer come back and do the Woody Woodpecker laugh-just to get T'Pol in a good mood, then I remembered it was an out-take with Scott and Jolene.
@@TheBOB235 She was duped up and couldn't think straight. Plus she must have been cold and maybe in pain or stressed the way she held onto her favourite pillow.
but is horribly ignorant, t'pol is the best example of why you really shouldn't believe everything you hear, even from experts. the internet is after all a wonderful place.
T'pol's skepticism is helpful. It forces the case to be made stronger and stronger. Increaseing confidence in the validity of the claim and determining its limitations. Without the mathmatics to prove or understand the full nature of time travel. One has to make deductions based on the evidence presented. Not to mention the possibility that it all might be an illusion.
Everything might be an illusion, if the illusions are changing our mental states for better or worse, then we have to concern ourselves with those illusions (and the rules of those illusions). Also she is constantly making arguments from authority here (Vulcan science directorate) and calling it logical.
@@thesystem5980 had Daniel's chosen T'Pol to interact with and shared the science backing his time travel then her skepticism might have been avoided. As a Vulcan, T'Pol wouldn't have shared any information pertaining to time travel with Starfleet or the High Command for the same reasons Vulcans avoid cultural contamination. It is strange that Daniel's limited his interactions primarily to Archer.
@@joeclaridy there are whole story arcs about vulcans doing shady shit. Temporal prime directive would definitely forbid teaching anyone in the past how time travel works. That would be like going to earth in the 1940s and teaching humans how warp drive works cause someone was skeptical you were an alien.
Here is a funny thought: Some time traveler went back time and "conditioned" the Vulcan Science Directorate to brain washed every single Vulcan who studied there, so every time someone ask a Vulcan who studied there about time travel their brain triggered an automated response: "The Vulcan science Directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible." So you see T'Pol isn't skeptical she's being conditioned and that is also why even being tortured she kept repeating it like a mantra.🤯 And it also opens another plot as to why someone from the future wants to actively block the Vulcans to even think about time travel.
Enterprise Vulcans were full on fascists. Dictating what humans could and couldnt do, trying to slow the warp engine project. Even Soval tells Forest "The council is concerned what humans have achieved, and what humans could achieve in the next 100 years." They give off that smug, egotistical, arrogant, dick energy. The kind my mother gave when punching me as a kid. "Im right, your wrong. Do what i say or i'll kill you!"
Guy uses a hand-mounted device, enabling him to walk through a solid wall. T'Pol "So, that doesn't mean time travel is real!" Human with Vulcan ancestry from farther back than when Vulcans and humans ever Met. T"Pol "So, that still doesn't mean time travel is real" Both she and Archer are instantly sent 90 lightyears to Earth and 150 years in the past. T'Pol "Yea....well I'm still not sure time travel is real"
I mean, in all fairness, they could have been transported to some holodeck that simulated 2004 Earth, so it's not 100% proof that time travel is real. Although their return to the ship moments after leaving even though they spent hours in the past should be convincing enough, unless she believes everyone is on it and faking it.
And she is correct in 2/3 of those cases. 1. Device could have any origin, like from more advanced species of the same time. 3. Holodeck technology can be very persuading. If the case number 2 is Lorian - she is not as sceptical, as she previously vas. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Time travel is an extraordinary event.
@@netfan7117 The fact that her own ancestry is involved should be enough evidence to lend major credence to the other 2 points. Also holodeck technology wasn't nearly as prominent or widespread in that time period as it was in TNG. Only a very few alien species had advanced holodeck tech at that point.
@@Astraeus.. On it's own it gives credence to the idea of the other two points being EXPLAINABLE by time travel, as one of the possible versions. But it does not prove them actually being RELATED to the time travel. T'Pol's (and Trip's) own ancestry provides proof only to that particular point. Even then, we are talking about Trek. For example, are you absolutely sure that something capable of performing the remote hack of the scanning equipment in the Medbay (relatively unsophisticated by that era) and force it to display false readings can't be technobabbled into local reality, and together with cosmetic alteration, create convincing fake?
@@komradewirelesscaller6716 There are "Enterprise" YT videos asking fans to write to CBS and ask that the programme get renewed. Join them and write. It's not like nothing can't be done. At least, try. What do you think all those fans did in the '60s when "Star Trek" was going to be cancelled after 3 seasons? I was one of them and I was barely 13 and only 1 more season was added. "Enterprise" deserves 3 more seasons to wrap up the Romulan War, begin the Federation, and end with the characters' future lives. Trip is not dead; the new story could tell what happened to him as he started on his new mission of infiltrating the Romulans. If the writers could follow the books-from "The Good That Men Do" and "Kobayashi Maru", the 2 Romulan War" series, and the 5 "The Federation" books, they could get some material for writing more episodes. Please, no more holoprogramme from other series and a fantastic music/video intro-no more songs-like the one from "Into A Mirror, Darkly" for example.
@@virginiaconnor8350 unfortunately i don't think it will ever happen. Blalock stated a few years ago that she was willing to do a movie but no more Trek TV series. It's a shame because Bakula, Trineer, and most of the rest of the cast have stated they would be willing to come back.
@@chrisloesch1870 Maybe a final movie might entice her instead. It might be possible to truncate the Romulan War, beginning of the Federation, and a conclusion in a 2 hr. movie, please them all, and let Scott reboot "QL" afterwards if a series won't work. "ST:MP" wasn't the greatest movie, but it did start the "TOS" movies.
I think people tend to overlook the fact that Enterprise, having tried to create the origin story for loads of Trek stuff like Photon Torpedoes, the Klingon foreheads issue, etc, also did it for time travel. Clearly people (like Kirk and crew) were aware of time travel by the 23nd century, though likely avoided it due to an early version of the Temporal Prime Directive. And sometime early enough in the 23rd to 24th centuries, the Department of Temporal Investigations existed to have put Kirk's time escapades on file. I've noticed fans tend to take the whole time travel awareness thing by the 23rd century for granted...clearly it was made known to Humans and other Federation members because of Archer's experiences.
When she was battling her addiction from trellium D. I could feel her pain. She’s a really good actress and a massively gorgeous one as well. I have all 4 seasons. Must watch them again. Thank you.
@@BradyPostma While Vulcans themselves do not have premonitions (Tuvok says this in the Voyager episode Fury) they may very well have seen it in other species. Certainly by the time of the original series, it's well known to Federation science that premonitions exist, even among some humans, as evidenced in this dialogue from the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before: KIRK: Extrasensory perception. Doctor Dehner, how are you on ESP? DEHNER: In tests I've taken, my ESP rated rather high. KIRK: I'm asking what you know about ESP. DEHNER: It is a fact that some people can sense future happenings, read the backs of playing cards and so on, but the esper capacity is always quite limited. I think it's reasonable to conclude that Vulcans would also have observed the phenomena prior to Enterprise.
her actual experience time traveling could've been accomplished by the tng crew. transporter + recreated environment, add a cloaked ship and they could totally fool Archer. Sisko had legit timetravel: he remembers a Gabriel Bell that wasn't him, evidence that he changed time. many explanations could've applied for the other times she was asked to explain, but they'd be wild speculation that hinged on the existence of "advanced" beings, of unknown intentions, manipulating events. time travel seems like the easiest explanation, but it creates many new problems.
Transports on TNG have a limited rang and can't transport people light years away. Also, holographic environments and people don't give off life sign readings. And 8ts hard to set up holoemitters on another persons ship without them noticing. And TNG still doesn't have the tech to phase threw wall using only a device that can fut on your hand. Not to mention, the knowledge of future events Archer knew was going to happen with specific details.
Heard she hates the song "Jolene". Can't say I blame her. I hate the phrase," Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus." Someone always had to bring that up when they asked me my name.
The only thing I love more than the idea of humanity in space, is the knowledge that, as a collective species, our first priority is to get shag nasty with any sentient life willing to hold still for it..... Think of the poor human waiting for Pon Far.....
When I was 3, I wanted the Easter Bunny to be real; when I was slightly older, I developed an open mind and realised that there was no bloody Easter Bunny. How is that so hard for Trip to understand?
If the imaging chamber is anything like a MRI and makes all those blasted noises, no wonder Dr. Phlox sedated T'Pol before putting her in it. Can't blame him.
Of all the Star Trek shows, including the original series, this show was the best. I wasn't thrilled with how it ended, but that does little to change my opinion. Greatest Star Trek show ever!
They should bring back this show, or make a movie about this time travel 900 year, into the future storyline what a great story and show, thanks for sharing, thanks!!🎉🎉
Considering that I think the scenes with Phlox are from the episode where he was the only one awake on the ship and all a possible hallucination is hilarious.
Logic is based on premises. When new data is uncovered that proves or disproves a premise, the entire chain of logic changes. T'Pol continually referencing logic ignores that fact - the Vulcan equivalent of being stubborn.
For the beginning she must have been thinking the humans were like the people who say I don't understand how they built the pyramids, so aliens. But she did change her mind when given enough evidence
Obviously she just believes in the many worlds template where you never truly travel in time, you're just traveling to alternate universes at a different point in time!
Would be interesting to compare just how many scientific breakthroughs and discoveries Vulcan scientists made prior to Surak's teachings on the logical life being embraced across the entirety of Vulcan society, for scientific phenomena that doesn't work entirely on purely logical principles (quantum mechanics for instance), with those made post fully logic-driven Vulcan Science Directorate. ;-)
actually technically speaking, quantum and temporal mechanics is logical, but only if you understand it fully and know how it all works in the first place, otherwise, even to the average vulcan, its horribly illogical and really really stupid.
Some firmware/software engineer had to program that device to sense gravity, decide when the wearer steps "on" the floor vs. not, and selectively turn this effect on and off for parts of his body.
Love the thumbnail. For those of you who don't get it, it's an illustration of the fact that faster-than-light travel implies time travel. If you can go faster than light, you can travel through time. EDIT: It should be noted, as is frequently misunderstood, ANY ability to reach some point in space before light normally can, NO MATTER THE METHOD, ALWAYS implies the ability to travel through time. This is because there is no such thing as one agreed-upon “now”. You can just change what “now” means by accelerating to a sufficient fraction of the speed of light in the right direction, use your ftl signalling method, and receive a signal before you send it.
But, that is exactly what you are doing ! At it's most basic, time travel is taking one step at a time, except with a starship, it's at warp speed, by bending space and time in front of your ship you are time travelling, you are getting from one point to another in a fraction of the time it would take in todays level of space travel. I don't need to be a scientist to grasp that concept.
@@RoScFan She was the leader of the female group of Jaffa , Ishta. Teal'c kisses her and his son marries one of the younger ones. Episode is called ' Birth right ' . Season 7 episode 10.
We're all time travelers we travel through time one day at a time one minute at a time because man made up time and we all travel through that system so time travel is real if you look at it from a certain perspective
Anyone notice Trip is pointing to the wrong place on the diagram. Also why place a critical component three meters behind a bulkhead under a bunch of other equipment. Enterprise must be a maintenance nightmare.
"The Science Vulcan Directorate has determined that time travel is.... Not fair."
"The Bible says..."
Einstein: “You can time travel by either wormhole or probably exceeding the speed of light.”
T’pol: “But, The science vulcan directorate say it’s impossible to time travel…”
Will is Not
If The Vulcan Science Directorate has made a determination that time travel is impossible, how come Spock did it, when they had to rescue 2 Whales from 1980's earth and get back the same way, by sling shotting around the sun ! Yes, I know Enterprise is before Kirk and Spock, and as someone has pointed out in their answer here, Vulcans are into some shady crap, and I know that would also mean Time Travel. Way too secretive and dismissive.
@@bravobr9725 simple logic, if they openly admitted it was possible then scientists would attempt to do it and possibly cause irrepairable damage to the time line. To prevent that from happening they must state that time travel is impossible
T'Pol and the Vulcans: "time travel isn't possible and it never will be"
Spock: "allow me to introduce myself"
The Kelvin Timeline: "allow me to introduce yourself... again... and Jim too- it's a bit confusing, there's a lot of lens flares here"
*Remembers that they ended up in the same time period as both Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek*
“I’m William Bell.”
🤣🤣🤣
Spock: ''greetings, my name is Selek, and I am your uncle...''
T'Pol: *literally time travels*
Also T'Pol: “The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible”
Archer "We literally just time travelled!"
T'Pol "Yeah, well I'm a drug addict, so who knows what I really just experienced..."
She said it so many times that I'm really surprised she didn't do the standard fingers in ears and "la la la la" bit as well when Archer spoke about it.
Archer could have really made a good quip there though.
"it shows how advanced Vulcans are, they are how many centuries ahead of Earth? Yet it's Humans who are time travelling while Vulcans are still denying it can be done."
Man, she and Einstein can argue all day..
The Spiral Power guide to the universe says to do the impossible, see the invisible, and row row, fight the powa!
Determining that something is impossible, does not make it so ! A determination of anything is as simple as saying, we don't actually know. they are pissed, because they have not yet done it. So if they can't prove it, it can't happen !!!! That's so wrong and illogical on way too many levels. It also implies a certain level of ignorance and arrogance.
"You've hardly changed, mother"
"I will end you in a manner consistent with the Vulcan Science Directorate's Ethics Panel"
"He should have all the time in the world" - sick burn
Behind the scenes, even Jolene Blalock was known to adlib a line or two. There's a particular scene that aired that was filmed in sickbay where her character quipped and the other actors nearly broke character suppressing their urge to laugh. I believe it was the episode where Tripp got knocked up and alien-prego and she played T'Pol as both amused and not amused.
I love how T’Pol continues to say that the vulcan science directorate says time travel isn’t possible. Its like if she continues to say it, then maybe it will eventually become true.
Technically, the fact that the Vulcan Science Directorate says time travel is impossible *is* true. Though that doesn't mean that their belief it itself justified.
@@casey6556 then explain all the time travel incidents.
@@jarrodskufcagaming5203 Whether the Vulcan Science Directorate *believes* time travel is impossible is distinct from whether it *is* possible.
In the Trek universe, clearly they believe it isn’t but it in fact is.
It IS true!
Only me sees a disguised joke on religionist blind faith here? Vulcans had lost their roots at this time and became quite fundamentalist. Anything established became a dogma. And dogmas are not scientific. We should keep that in mind since Einstein at least. We just have this for a while now. But things change. All the time.
T'Pol: Time travel isn't real
Crewman Daniels: I guess you folks aren't ready for that yet, but your kids are gonna love it.
Human be fuckin everything on other planets that are alien🤣🤣🤣
"There's no technology where I'm at"
"I thought you said you were in the future"
She was drugged and confused. Didn't take her too long to help.
@@virginiaconnor8350 So where is he?
Vulcans: "Time travel is not possible!"
Humans: "Haha clock go brrrrrr!"
T'Pol:"I still don't believe in time travel"
Archer: "T'POL, STOP PISSING ME OFF!" 😬😬😬😬😬😬
Captain Archer has more emotional control than any Vulcan to not flip out.
T'Pol is correct, belief is not logical.
Archer "We literally just time travelled!"
T'Pol "Yeah, well I'm a drug addict, so who knows what I really just experienced..."
It's kind of amazing that really up until that point all the smartest races in the galaxey didn't have any evidence that timetravel exists. Than humans take to the stars and they have time travel adventures like every third adventure. The Vulcans must be up here like "we have been exploring this area of space for over 1000 years than these Humans come along and in 5 years they find 3 different God like beings, and have gone back in time 82 different times and One of them even found an altenate universe"
This boils down to what I like to call 'The Irwin Effect', whereas other intelligent species will see a big scary dangerous thing and rightly avoid it, humans have a tendency to quite literally thump it with a stick.....thus shenanigans through time and space!
@@Veklim Humans used to hunt bears for sport with .. spears.
Then you have those crazies that chase after venomous snakes to catch with their bare hands.
Don't forget those over size Russians that have contests in face slapping to knock the spit out of each other's mouths.
@@Veklim that makes sense. There's an episode where ambassador s'val is talking with Admiral Forrest about how the Vulcans can't define Humans. I feel that humans would be defined as "Curious"
And now Picard and the Borg are doing it again..
@@dubsessed9790"Crikey! That there is a Borg Drone, one of the nastiest beings in the known in the galaxy. It's tendrils can assimilate you instantaneously! ... Imma thump it with a hyper spanner!"
"Resistance is futile."
"ITS ANGRY!"
Jolene Blalock is so underrated as an actress, it's not even funny. She could convey the entire deepness and texture of her character with only slight facial gestures, the emotion in her eyes, and very subtle voice inflections.
Amazing.
Quite possibly the best acting for any Vulcan in the franchise. Definitely some of the best writing for one.
@ she pretty much stated she retired from acting.
@@chrisloesch1870 Sad. So did Robin Curtis.
She's ... ok. And so was Jeri Ryan as 7 of 9. But if you want true genius watch, or re-watch, V for Vendetta. Weaving conveys the entire wealth of human emotion and expression all while wearing a fixed, full face mask.
@@amberscion1513 The hottest woman I watched was V. she had a body and was sexy (bad sexy at that). Diane Baldrock - was the sexiest woman for a great while.
A trip to Detroit wasn't totally enough to convince her that she and Archer had left the 22nd. century?
The Vulcan science directorate says time travel isn’t possible
@@eugenetimberlake5648
Hahahahaha
They already encountered holodeck technology at this point.
As well as aliens capable of mental illusions.
Both are as valid a explanation as time travel.
Could be a holodeck, mind altering aliens, Q playing games. The real evidence is when they return. after spending so many hours in the past, they return to just moments after they left where Trip is still holding the duty roster.
-Please consider the legitimate evidence
-No
Hahahaha
I love how Phlox is so open minded and even pokes fun at the Vulcan Science Directorate.
The way Vulcans use the word 'logic' in Star Trek reminds me of that one line from the Princess Bride:
"You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means."
The best line in her whole time travel isnt possible was with archer while she was feeling delirious or half awake.
"Time travel isnt....not fair"
Good one. 👏🏻
6:20
"I never thought this was possible...but I travelled through time"
*Quantum Leap theme plays softly in the background*
The sequence Phlox can't identify is Lukari. The patient is Kal Dano.
I see your a fellow sto player
_Patient?_ You mean cadaver or deceased.
@@mikeburner7406 dead people make the best patients in fairness, same reasons why schools work better during the holidays I imagine....
-zzzrrttt- GIVE US THE TOX UTHAT
STO friendo! :D
The Vulcan equivalent of flat-earthers and moon landing deniers: time travel disbelievers.
"Impossible we have standards" lmao
T'Pol: “The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible”
Daniels sitting there with a drill set to reverse hooked to a clock: "I'm about to do what's called a pro gamer move."
These captions got me rolling
I was hoping to see Archer come back and do the Woody Woodpecker laugh-just to get T'Pol in a good mood, then I remembered it was an out-take with Scott and Jolene.
The captions were mostly too tiny and/or too fast to read.
The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible 🤷🏽♀️
EDIT: Holy cow where did all you people come from
Humans: Nah! Just improbable! :-P
Is not fair... lol
They are willfully ignorant of the possibility
I would like but don't want to ruin the perfection that is 223 5
@@TheBOB235 She was duped up and couldn't think straight. Plus she must have been cold and maybe in pain or stressed the way she held onto her favourite pillow.
T'Pol has the sexiest voice in the Star Trek universe.
Bullshit, Jean Luc Picard has the sexiest voice in Star Trek.
@@michaeldriggers7681 youre both wrong. The Intendant has the sexiest voice, Mannerisms, dress, etc.
What about 7 of 9????? Jeri Ryan ain't chopped liver, ya know... But yea - Jolene Blalock is MORE than just another hottie!!!!
@ToTo DeNiro i mean if thats your thing, by all means you do you. I just prefer individuals without y chromosomes
but is horribly ignorant, t'pol is the best example of why you really shouldn't believe everything you hear, even from experts. the internet is after all a wonderful place.
T'pol's skepticism is helpful. It forces the case to be made stronger and stronger. Increaseing confidence in the validity of the claim and determining its limitations.
Without the mathmatics to prove or understand the full nature of time travel. One has to make deductions based on the evidence presented.
Not to mention the possibility that it all might be an illusion.
Everything might be an illusion, if the illusions are changing our mental states for better or worse, then we have to concern ourselves with those illusions (and the rules of those illusions). Also she is constantly making arguments from authority here (Vulcan science directorate) and calling it logical.
@@thesystem5980 had Daniel's chosen T'Pol to interact with and shared the science backing his time travel then her skepticism might have been avoided. As a Vulcan, T'Pol wouldn't have shared any information pertaining to time travel with Starfleet or the High Command for the same reasons Vulcans avoid cultural contamination. It is strange that Daniel's limited his interactions primarily to Archer.
@@joeclaridy there are whole story arcs about vulcans doing shady shit. Temporal prime directive would definitely forbid teaching anyone in the past how time travel works. That would be like going to earth in the 1940s and teaching humans how warp drive works cause someone was skeptical you were an alien.
The Vulcan Science Directorate would like you to take your antipsychotic medication today.
This show was tremendously underrated and canceled too soon.Good story line and talented actors....
Right !!!!!
We were so close to get the Romulan Earth War.
Cancelled too soo? How about not cancelled at all 😢
Here is a funny thought:
Some time traveler went back time and "conditioned" the Vulcan Science Directorate to brain washed every single Vulcan who studied there, so every time someone ask a Vulcan who studied there about time travel their brain triggered an automated response: "The Vulcan science Directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible." So you see T'Pol isn't skeptical she's being conditioned and that is also why even being tortured she kept repeating it like a mantra.🤯 And it also opens another plot as to why someone from the future wants to actively block the Vulcans to even think about time travel.
Much like the conditioning many schoolkids today have to beleive the crap the government is telling them without question.
@@Tryst46 Sad but true!
Has the same energy as “Baldur is invulnerable to all threats, physical or magical
maybe the vulcan science directorate just says time travel is not possible to discorage futher study into time travel because of how dangerous it is .
Enterprise Vulcans were full on fascists. Dictating what humans could and couldnt do, trying to slow the warp engine project. Even Soval tells Forest "The council is concerned what humans have achieved, and what humans could achieve in the next 100 years." They give off that smug, egotistical, arrogant, dick energy. The kind my mother gave when punching me as a kid. "Im right, your wrong. Do what i say or i'll kill you!"
T'Poll is BEAUTIFUL and ADORABLE when she cannot explain something she is peplexed about, especially when her crew is stiring her up 😂
Yeah she plays it like a stubborn little girl, even gets pouty.
Guy uses a hand-mounted device, enabling him to walk through a solid wall. T'Pol "So, that doesn't mean time travel is real!"
Human with Vulcan ancestry from farther back than when Vulcans and humans ever Met. T"Pol "So, that still doesn't mean time travel is real"
Both she and Archer are instantly sent 90 lightyears to Earth and 150 years in the past. T'Pol "Yea....well I'm still not sure time travel is real"
She met her son From ultimate timeline Who is old enough to be her own father
I mean, in all fairness, they could have been transported to some holodeck that simulated 2004 Earth, so it's not 100% proof that time travel is real. Although their return to the ship moments after leaving even though they spent hours in the past should be convincing enough, unless she believes everyone is on it and faking it.
And she is correct in 2/3 of those cases.
1. Device could have any origin, like from more advanced species of the same time.
3. Holodeck technology can be very persuading.
If the case number 2 is Lorian - she is not as sceptical, as she previously vas.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Time travel is an extraordinary event.
@@netfan7117 The fact that her own ancestry is involved should be enough evidence to lend major credence to the other 2 points. Also holodeck technology wasn't nearly as prominent or widespread in that time period as it was in TNG. Only a very few alien species had advanced holodeck tech at that point.
@@Astraeus.. On it's own it gives credence to the idea of the other two points being EXPLAINABLE by time travel, as one of the possible versions. But it does not prove them actually being RELATED to the time travel. T'Pol's (and Trip's) own ancestry provides proof only to that particular point. Even then, we are talking about Trek. For example, are you absolutely sure that something capable of performing the remote hack of the scanning equipment in the Medbay (relatively unsophisticated by that era) and force it to display false readings can't be technobabbled into local reality, and together with cosmetic alteration, create convincing fake?
Lol, such good memories from that series. Sad it didnt continue... Wasted potential
Yeah it was really a pretty good show.
@@komradewirelesscaller6716 There are "Enterprise" YT videos asking fans to write to CBS and ask that the programme get renewed. Join them and write. It's not like nothing can't be done. At least, try. What do you think all those fans did in the '60s when "Star Trek" was going to be cancelled after 3 seasons? I was one of them and I was barely 13 and only 1 more season was added. "Enterprise" deserves 3 more seasons to wrap up the Romulan War, begin the Federation, and end with the characters' future lives. Trip is not dead; the new story could tell what happened to him as he started on his new mission of infiltrating the Romulans. If the writers could follow the books-from "The Good That Men Do" and "Kobayashi Maru", the 2 Romulan War" series, and the 5 "The Federation" books, they could get some material for writing more episodes. Please, no more holoprogramme from other series and a fantastic music/video intro-no more songs-like the one from "Into A Mirror, Darkly" for example.
@@virginiaconnor8350 ... WOW... and I thought I was a Geek just because I like the Star Trek TV Series... Thank You!!!
@@virginiaconnor8350 unfortunately i don't think it will ever happen. Blalock stated a few years ago that she was willing to do a movie but no more Trek TV series. It's a shame because Bakula, Trineer, and most of the rest of the cast have stated they would be willing to come back.
@@chrisloesch1870 Maybe a final movie might entice her instead. It might be possible to truncate the Romulan War, beginning of the Federation, and a conclusion in a 2 hr. movie, please them all, and let Scott reboot "QL" afterwards if a series won't work. "ST:MP" wasn't the greatest movie, but it did start the "TOS" movies.
T'pol refusing to believe in Timetravel is like Brian from Family Guy still being an atheist despite meeting Jesus several times
Though let’s be fair to Brian here: unlike Family Guy Jesus, Star Trek Timetravel isn’t a piece of shit who tricked Lois into having sex with him.
I think people tend to overlook the fact that Enterprise, having tried to create the origin story for loads of Trek stuff like Photon Torpedoes, the Klingon foreheads issue, etc, also did it for time travel. Clearly people (like Kirk and crew) were aware of time travel by the 23nd century, though likely avoided it due to an early version of the Temporal Prime Directive. And sometime early enough in the 23rd to 24th centuries, the Department of Temporal Investigations existed to have put Kirk's time escapades on file. I've noticed fans tend to take the whole time travel awareness thing by the 23rd century for granted...clearly it was made known to Humans and other Federation members because of Archer's experiences.
When she was battling her addiction from trellium D. I could feel her pain. She’s a really good actress and a massively gorgeous one as well. I have all 4 seasons. Must watch them again. Thank you.
Yeah, she did a couple of episodes of SG-1 and freakin' vanished. I always wanted to see more of her.
03:40 - that silent reaction from T'Pol in the turbolift. Hilarious!
Also 7:06.
3:37 If she had watched TNG, T'pol would know that "alien with godlike abilities" is always a valid explanation
8:36 - "Maybe you were dreaming."
Wait, so having accurate dreams about future events is more believable than time travel?
Vulcans do have psychic powers, so... maybe?
@@AndorianBlues Reading others' current thoughts is more reasonable than reading truths out of the universe for which no evidence currently exists.
@@BradyPostma While Vulcans themselves do not have premonitions (Tuvok says this in the Voyager episode Fury) they may very well have seen it in other species. Certainly by the time of the original series, it's well known to Federation science that premonitions exist, even among some humans, as evidenced in this dialogue from the episode Where No Man Has Gone Before:
KIRK: Extrasensory perception. Doctor Dehner, how are you on ESP?
DEHNER: In tests I've taken, my ESP rated rather high.
KIRK: I'm asking what you know about ESP.
DEHNER: It is a fact that some people can sense future happenings, read the backs of playing cards and so on, but the esper capacity is always quite limited.
I think it's reasonable to conclude that Vulcans would also have observed the phenomena prior to Enterprise.
her actual experience time traveling could've been accomplished by the tng crew. transporter + recreated environment, add a cloaked ship and they could totally fool Archer.
Sisko had legit timetravel: he remembers a Gabriel Bell that wasn't him, evidence that he changed time.
many explanations could've applied for the other times she was asked to explain, but they'd be wild speculation that hinged on the existence of "advanced" beings, of unknown intentions, manipulating events. time travel seems like the easiest explanation, but it creates many new problems.
Transports on TNG have a limited rang and can't transport people light years away.
Also, holographic environments and people don't give off life sign readings.
And 8ts hard to set up holoemitters on another persons ship without them noticing.
And TNG still doesn't have the tech to phase threw wall using only a device that can fut on your hand.
Not to mention, the knowledge of future events Archer knew was going to happen with specific details.
@@MrBdobb no but a hologram like voyager's doctor can (they seem to be able to decide when to be corporeal or incorporeal)
The problem with your theory is someone knows if they're being transported.
@@koohikoo through disabling of their forcefields
I'd love to see T'Pol get into an argument with Spock about how time-travel is impossible.
The common ancestor was....Kirk....
The ending of the video was perfect
Christ, T'Pol is melting my brain in more than one way.
Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene! ...
Heard she hates the song "Jolene". Can't say I blame her. I hate the phrase," Yes Virginia, There is a Santa Claus." Someone always had to bring that up when they asked me my name.
@@virginiaconnor8350 De gustibus non disputandum.
*A sign is pinned up literally saying ‘Time travel has been proven firsthand to exist’*
T’Pol: “That sign won’t stop me, because I cannot read.”
I can see her justifying a LOT of these. Most of her responses make sense. Then she straight up time travels herself and still tries to deny it.
Crazy how people will pick up a device they know nothing about and just start pushing buttons.
The only thing I love more than the idea of humanity in space, is the knowledge that, as a collective species, our first priority is to get shag nasty with any sentient life willing to hold still for it.....
Think of the poor human waiting for Pon Far.....
The "Riker Effect". Horniest 1st officer in the universe
Omg your captions were incredibly funny, southern curiosity, Vulcan suspicion, I Died
When I was 3, I wanted the Easter Bunny to be real; when I was slightly older, I developed an open mind and realised that there was no bloody Easter Bunny. How is that so hard for Trip to understand?
If the imaging chamber is anything like a MRI and makes all those blasted noises, no wonder Dr. Phlox sedated T'Pol before putting her in it. Can't blame him.
But time travel is real in the Star Trek universe
@@talentlessartist7929 Apparently, the Vulcan Science Directory disagrees with that 'statement'
T'Pol wears cool pajamas.
impressive content T'Pring. I crushed that thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the excellent work.
Of all the Star Trek shows, including the original series, this show was the best. I wasn't thrilled with how it ended, but that does little to change my opinion. Greatest Star Trek show ever!
They should bring back
this show, or make a movie about this time travel 900 year, into the future storyline what a great story and show, thanks for sharing, thanks!!🎉🎉
Considering that I think the scenes with Phlox are from the episode where he was the only one awake on the ship and all a possible hallucination is hilarious.
Hey look, it s michael the wraith!
This examination of events is in a unique format. Your observations subtle but interesting.
7:58 On behalf of the fucksake marketing board I award you a silver certificate of merit.
T'Pol can be very surprising sometimes.
The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that space travel using psychic space mushrooms is impossible.
"Bullshit but ok"
I LOVE the annotations in this video!! 🤣🤣
Good production, thank you.
Your captions were wonderful!
those damn Vulcans
love the subtitles - wish you could do all 4 seasons like that 🙂
Not a Discovery fan but, you made that fun 😊
Keep going back and pausing on your comments...then cracking up!
Thanks for a moment of smiles 😁
Logic is based on premises.
When new data is uncovered that proves or disproves a premise, the entire chain of logic changes.
T'Pol continually referencing logic ignores that fact - the Vulcan equivalent of being stubborn.
You don't argue about time travel with Sam Becket. You just don't!
For the beginning she must have been thinking the humans were like the people who say I don't understand how they built the pyramids, so aliens.
But she did change her mind when given enough evidence
Obviously she just believes in the many worlds template where you never truly travel in time, you're just traveling to alternate universes at a different point in time!
Would be interesting to compare just how many scientific breakthroughs and discoveries Vulcan scientists made prior to Surak's teachings on the logical life being embraced across the entirety of Vulcan society, for scientific phenomena that doesn't work entirely on purely logical principles (quantum mechanics for instance), with those made post fully logic-driven Vulcan Science Directorate. ;-)
actually technically speaking, quantum and temporal mechanics is logical, but only if you understand it fully and know how it all works in the first place, otherwise, even to the average vulcan, its horribly illogical and really really stupid.
Love your little comments.
It made me laugh and subscribe.
When Jeffries turned on that phase inducer to allow him to pass through the walls, why didn’t he instantly sink through the floor?
Some firmware/software engineer had to program that device to sense gravity, decide when the wearer steps "on" the floor vs. not, and selectively turn this effect on and off for parts of his body.
love the text interpreting the emotional expressions
Love the thumbnail.
For those of you who don't get it, it's an illustration of the fact that faster-than-light travel implies time travel. If you can go faster than light, you can travel through time.
EDIT: It should be noted, as is frequently misunderstood, ANY ability to reach some point in space before light normally can, NO MATTER THE METHOD, ALWAYS implies the ability to travel through time. This is because there is no such thing as one agreed-upon “now”. You can just change what “now” means by accelerating to a sufficient fraction of the speed of light in the right direction, use your ftl signalling method, and receive a signal before you send it.
But, that is exactly what you are doing ! At it's most basic, time travel is taking one step at a time, except with a starship, it's at warp speed, by bending space and time in front of your ship you are time travelling, you are getting from one point to another in a fraction of the time it would take in todays level of space travel. I don't need to be a scientist to grasp that concept.
Yea but in Star Trek they don't go faster than light, warp drive specifically exists to get around that technicality
You need a like just for the thumbnail. I love it.
Captions WILDLY underrated.
Love that pillow of hers. Did the Vulcans quilt, weave, do needlecraft, and other crafts like macramé as well?
She is correct. Myths, shadow theories, unexplained phenomenon etc r not acceptable substitutes 4 true science.
T'Pol, "I see you've brought your stinky beast." Archer, "Yes, and I've also brought my dog!"
She was pretty good in Stargate too.
Tpol actress was in stargate? where?
@@RoScFan She was the leader of the female group of Jaffa , Ishta. Teal'c kisses her and his son marries one of the younger ones. Episode is called ' Birth right ' .
Season 7 episode 10.
I like her in Stargate too!
Time travel is possible, but its the Butterfly principle(paradox) that has been proven not to exist. :)
"Sceptical" that’s the first crack from the hard line of “impossible”
“Impossible we have standards” lol
If I was a time traveler I'd let T'Pol examine my flux capacitor.
Bring this show back , I would watch it
0:08
*Southern confusion*
Wtf ahahaha 😂
Southern Confusion is a great subtitle
So now we know what Vulcan pajamas look like.
The Vulcan science directorate has concluded that people should be discouraged from trying to time travel.
Y u p
We're all time travelers we travel through time one day at a time one minute at a time because man made up time and we all travel through that system so time travel is real if you look at it from a certain perspective
Anyone notice Trip is pointing to the wrong place on the diagram. Also why place a critical component three meters behind a bulkhead under a bunch of other equipment. Enterprise must be a maintenance nightmare.
Ferengi got the contract. Lowest bid.
Well made video 🤙
7:18: You're on the ceiling, why aren't you on a monitor? - There's no technology where I am - Thought you said you were in the future 😒
At the end the "the hell you don't" always got me lmao.. b*%$^ is stubborn af
7:14
that hotness transcends time, I tell you.
1:15 I knew that guy looked familiar, next to Trip. Matt Winston, been in so many other shows, but I recognize him from Scrubs as Dr. Stedman.
The funny thing is that anything that can act as a faster-than-light drive instantly allows time travel...
I'd like to see more of this future tech in disco s03.
Vulcan logic, as sound as screen doors in space.