The whole "I need you to consent to this horrible thing wrapped up as a wonderful gift" is really quite ridiculous, especially in a scifi setting. In what ability, natural or supernatural, would such a restriction be beneficial to the user?
@Sylviane Back in the mid to late 1990s, I had a blast listening to "Star Trek - Voyager - Mosaic" read wonderfully by Kate Mulgrew. That expands and fleshes out Janeaway's relationship with her Father and Sister. Unless, you've already heard that, I would listen to it on TH-cam because it adds so much to the Voyager watching experience. David
@@durchhalter Sadly they never will be, not until things - for lack of a better word - pop. Eventually the current generation will have a fatal confrontation with reality, one that will cause them to realize that everything they've been taught - all the lies that have been spewed to them - were just that: lies, lies meant to control them so that they will think a certain way and act a certain way.
This is actually one of the most terrifying moments in Star Trek history, in my opinion. An alien predator that preys upon people in the moment of death is a truly horrifying concept! You could call this a new twist on the stories about vampires, but there’s some things in this story that are truly unique here too.
Yaldaboath's matrix Counsciesness (Perfectly reflected through Jesus) is God's only begotten Son, in all His forms, and the false AI god wants to keep entrapped in "here"
This is Trek at its best, in my opinion. As much as I love the shows for the crew doing stuff together and getting it done, it's these moments involving eldritch alien monstrosities pulling some terrifying metaphysical bullshit that really give the series definition. It's as fantastical as it is science fiction.
It was a stupid thing for the alien to say, all he did was give Janeway even MORE incentive NOT to go with him. He was undoubtedly angry and said it without thinking how Janeway would react to it. Even if the alien was confined to one planet, the alien was STILL being stupid as Janeway would warn other races to stay away from the planet plus making idle threats makes him look ridiculous.
No. Not a demon. Simply a parasitic non-corporeal alien from another dimension, that only seems to violate the laws of physics. *Takes shot of whiskey and hits off bong.*
@@RequiemPoete Sounds like a demon to me. Star Trek _always_ have been a bit on the mystical side, to the point that __souls__ is an actual thing in the universe, federation calls it "life force" and vulcans call it "katra". Trek just treat spirits like, well, like aliens. Beings like Q, Prophets and the Organians? They are _definitively_ gods. The point is, that even if there *are* incorporeal beings of unimaginable power, there's no reason to be servile or submissive to them .
I love Star Trek for this very reason. No matter how insane, impossible, or seemingly hopeless your situation is, you can always find your way through with skepticism, critical thinking and logic.
Those functions of our minds are also preternatural defense mechanisms we humans have, this tradition in Star Trek goes all the way back to the beginning of the series; remember "Day of the Dove", the evil spirit they were dealing with there? Well, yes, Star Trek does indeed have it's own diabolical aliens, and what she's dealing with here, she comes to suspect, appears to be a "gangster spirit", and thus a monster.
@Stefan Urban Isn't that the same with most religions? Because of "Free Will", they have to manipulate people to believe and join them. God or Devil, the same thing, they make it sounds like their religions, their belief are "THE BEST" one out there and can't make people to go to their sides unless they AGREE to. Sound like their purposes are all the same, to MANIPULATE people.
@@CuongNguyen-le5ic That's not just most religions, that's all modern religions. They preach about the afterlife, because as of yet science hasn't proven that bit of it as baloney. Everything else is completely made up and they prey on the mentally weak and vulnerable in order to line their coffers. They add nothing of worth to current day society and quite frankly I feel that religion, like smoking, alcohol and driving should only be for people over the age of 18. Indoctrinating children with faerie tales and lies is tantamount child abuse and it should be illegal. I am fine with discussing religion in schools though, but only in the context of history and social studies classes. It has no place in say a biology class.
@@CuongNguyen-le5ic You have the wrong idea-- and a very jaundiced view of things. All you need to do is read C.S. Lewis's "The Screwtape Letters" to see how God and the devils differ. Nobody can be manipulated into belief; it comes as the result of reasoning, as it did for Lewis when he thought his way out of atheism.
@@fermitupoupon1754 Good grief, you have it even worse that Nguyen! I challenge you to read anything by C.S. Lewis and then call him "mentally weak." Your ideological bigotry has to change.
I love how they kept the "matrix" and what happens in there just vague enough that it lets your imagination run away. What "nourish" means for Janeway could either be dying and facing oblivion or being in unrelenting pain for who knows how long, most likely the latter. Or maybe something even worse than that. Watched this scene when I was a lot younger and it stuck with me.
I believe this is exactly what happens at the moment of death. Don’t follow the light or any “relative” trying to help you. Stick around and asks questions. Time is no longer a factor. If you don’t acquiesce no being or entity can lay a finger on you, or make you do anything, and they fricking know it. You are untouchable, inmortal, and all knowing, just like the Source, but much much smaller.
This is why Janeways my favorite Captain. This also reminds of Kirk's quote in ST: The Final Frontier. "Excuse me, why would God need a star ship?" This is why they're Captains and why I would probably be scrubbing holosuites for a living.
Everybody talks about the direct and hidden messages found in this scene (which is indeed very interesting) but almost nobody mentions the great acting that was done by Kate Mulgrew. Without her acting this scene probably wouldn't have delivered the same power and feeling that stand behind the message.
@@alexaonther0x sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to :). Are you referring to the manner in which the entities chose to manifest in the scene?
@@ShadowRO752 I mean the theory of the archons tricking us to go into the light upon death to recycle us back into this world. Wasn't sure if this was supposed to be reverse psychology to that meaning maybe going into the void is the actual trap and they want us to think it's the light or if they simply don't care, like most things, and they're just rubbing it in our faces
DAMN I LOVE THIS SHOW! During 2020 shut down I watched all the Star Treks the entire franchise except the new one Discovery. So far my favorite: DS9 and Voyager!
"you dont strike me as any kind of good samaritin" "but your patience is wearing thin" "let me tell you this!We can stand here for all eternity!! And I will never choose to go with you!!!"
3:45 I love that sudden shift in the background when he pushes her away. Originally it was this really pleasant, inviting light that someone would be happy to step into, believing there's a paradise waiting for them on the other side. But as soon as he pushes her away and stops pretending to be her friend, the light changes to an ominous orange, like someone's blood had dripped into the light. And all the while he's talking about what's to come, and what purpose she will serve, the light growls at them, revealing it to be a truly monstrous place. Janeway called it right. "Go back to hell."
well, the Alien Impersonated her Dad, made her die over and over and was making her happy so she lowers her Guard and gets Eaten... how can she not get mad, i don't know if it was said, but imagine if her dad was dead, and this Alien Impersonated him, to me that sounds like someone Disturbing the dead... or something like that... honestly id be Pissed too if some Alien looked like someone in my Family just so he/she can have his Daily Snack... if i was on that Bridge between life and Dead, id promise id be beating the living hell for all Eternity stating us Humans are Fighters, even when it comes to death
Part of me wishes that there was a brief interaction between this alien and Admiral Janeway during the final episode. Appearing to her right before death, and as her mind and the Borg Queens were linked the Queen would see him to. An entire dying Collective to be lured into his matrix.
Except the fact that the collective never dies in that episode, so the borg would have known the existence of this entity and suddenly start the search for found and assimilating it
+Richard Down Janeway is the best captain imo look at her predicament she stranded 75 years from home with only small crew and ship she has to get them home in a unknown region of space where there are lots of unfriendly aliens try to destroy Voyager. in the first episode she refuses to sacrifice the lives of an entire alien species just so they can get home quickly I applaud her for that(I know a lot of people think that was a stupid decision) but sacrificing the Ocompa so they can get home quickly would have been very selfish imo. she isn't perfect(I always felt they tried to hard to make Picard seem perfect) She cares greatly for crew and would die to protect them if needed
It happens when you can call at any time an entity that can resemble God in any way (and have an entire species of similar behind), simply telling the word "Q"....
I remember watching this so many years ago. I like feeling nostalgic. She was angry at him. He used the image of her father to manipulate her. He was preying on her, preying on a vulnerable victim. She was vulnerable, but her strong will prevailed in the end. Cowardly for preying on the weak.
Demonic Alien from Hell. A scary thought to know that every time you are about to die or you have a near death experience this Being is approaching you to pull you into his matrix. This VOY episode alone could make an excellent standalone horror movie.
This is a species occupying the Delta Quadrant. Ours is a white light, non-silent presence. This matrix of red 🔥 is not afterlife. Besides, Satan would never “admit” to being an alien species. Satan would attempt to deceive and an alien attempting to feed off your consciousness is not only a foolish deception, but counterproductive.
@Npc# 70954321789 Yea, but death wasn't usually treated as a malevolent being on The Twilight Zone. They usually treated it as an inevitable part of life that was neither good or bad and most people fear it unjustly because they don't know what happens after.
This scene is truly one of the most disturbing in all of Star Trek. The fact that Janeway was this close to be essentially dragged to hell, which is truly a horrifying prospect in itself; and the aliens final remark only solidifies his character as a demonic entity. Supposedly, some people who claim to have been to Hell have described new arrivals being greeted by demons disguised as loved ones before tormenting them. Perhaps this was based on those testimonies. Honestly, few other scenes in science fiction give me so much chills as this one.
One thing people need to know, they have refined this deceased love one trick. Now we are all watched constantly ever second. If you asked your loved one a secret question, they will give the right answer. They have also refined the light and the fake love ones to emit a love feeling to us. We are drawn toward this. They can fake it enough to fool us. This is actually the "heaven" we have been sold. People think the light is the entrance to heaven. They end up going through the life review which is a trick to make you think you have to incarnate again. If you do not want to incarnate again you are subjected to constant persuading, if you still refused to live again on earth, they just mind wipe you against your will.
@@laurfincher8137 setting aside how insane this sounds, i dont really see the problem here. returning to earth would be fire if you get to keep your memorys if yo udo it voluntarily. living dream for everyone who doesnt want to die. like, im sure if heaven exists its great and all... but in my experience, everlasting joy is a really bad idea. we humans need adversity, and lots of it, to enjoy the good things in life when we finally get to take a break. if heaven doesnt have that, its pointless. plus, our interest as humans is always centered on earth and humanity, and its matters, and not whatever heaven is all about.
Earth is a prison planet and it’s a reincarnation soul trap don’t go to the light upon death they will try everything to convince you to go but don’t go into the void and ask to be shown the true way out. When the alien said about going into his matrix and it will nourish him for a long time. That is what they do in real life and they use us as an energy source. I had nothing to do with hell like your talking about hell is the earth the prison planet
This alien has a sinister agenda but Janeway had the situation well in hand thanks to her strong will and her crew fighting to save her life. Besides, the alien's threats at the end were hollow and Janeway knew it so compared to scary beings like the Borg and Species 8472, this alien for all of its powers was nothing.
@ LIBERALGUNSMOKER and @ryan macdonald thats not why they find it scary. They find it horrifying because if you were in this same situation, where an unknown entity is trying to deceive you after what you thought was your death, disguised as the people you cherished most in this life and using them as bait, do you think you would be able to tell the if it was real or not? Honestly the alien in this scene did a pretty bad job and trying to force her to choose. Most people who dont study their own dreams would not be able to tell they are being tricked. Because riddle me this, im willing to bet nearly every single time you dream at night which is every single night youve ever been alive even if you dont remember them, during the dream, you think its real, dont you? You interact with the characters in your dream as if they are real, right? You think everything you experience in the dream is real until you wake up right? Unless your are a very seasoned lucid dreamer with 10+ years of practice i doubt you would react the same way Janeway did. Because guess what? You dont get to wake up when you die lol. So how would you ever know you are being tricked in the the first place??? This is why its absolutely horrifying.
SgtPiggie depends on the point of view yes in reality it was part of the script but from the point of view of fictional Universe of Star Trek it was guts.
I'd have said something much worse to the alien that included swearwords while flipping off the alien as he left and I imagine Janeway would've too if the real life censors would've allowed it.
She flipped off what is known as an archon. These beings use us to feed off our lower vibration emotions. It is trying to get her to reincarnate, so like the matrix, it will use her like a battery. Like she cleverly surmised, she has to volunteer to go with it, however this is not really volunteering, as the whole experience is deceptive. If we knew what we were really getting into we would refuse immediately.
Tribalism does not fit the Star Trek universe Daniel. That Feminist/anti-feminist dyad only serve to provide a semblance of meaning to a life without drive.
@@stickman2012 No, tribalism absolutely exists among humans in ST. Anytime a human says "Typical for a ferengi, klingon, etc..", that's tribalism. The real point is that even though real differences in species exists, there can still be trust and understanding.
really well said ;) anyways...all ideas are still smashed by anothers, so many hypotesis, possibilities.. one more possible from another.. untill you will not experience it by yourself.. and how will you know (realy) what is right/good? now its just more scarrry...
Believe me, I've seen a lot of horrible, creepy and bizarre shit, but this video gives me the chills that I have never known before, it just hits a massive truth bell deep within my soul.
I'm here, 'cause thinking about something related to this, shook me up so much, I had warm shivers for five hours straight, until I couldn't take it no more, and forced myself to rest.
@Jeff O I didn't mean the John de Lancie one-- although you'll remember that when he first appeared, he was very sinister and ominous, unlike the joke he later became.
This was by far a wonderful episode of Voyager that I'll never forget. I just remember being all torn by Chakotay pleading and begging Janeway to breathe and breathing life into her lungs. I about lost it when he sobbed her name saying: you can't die! And this scene is awesome..Chakotay telling her to fight a little longer. And when Janeway tells her "father" to go back to hell coward I did several fist punched in the air like YES! 👍
John Frazer yes he really did. But now I realize that the audience was seeing this episode at times through Janeway’s own eyes. It was a wonderfully written episode.
@Rick Morty thank you for this enlightening paragraph about death and what you believe it is. You must be an expert on the matter and know everything that has to do with death. Do you have a sixth sense? Can you sense death before it happens? Like I said you must be an expert…do tell, Mr. Priest cause you apparantly know everything and I know nothing.🤷🏻♀️
@Rick Morty I beg to differ. Religions are not lies. And people have the right to choose to believe what they wish to believe. You are living by books-aren't books fiction as well? Or are they real to you?
@Rick Morty Sir I HAVE seen the comments here. What YOU don't understand is this show IS fiction-not real. But these episodes mean something to those who watch. You clearly have no understanding of what fantasy is and tend to believe things written in books, which are fantasy as well. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if I had wanted a lecture from you about death then I would have gone back to college again to get it. Let people choose to believe what they wish to believe and stop throwing your beliefs down my throat and others' throats. You believe what you wish to believe-and let the fans of Star Trek Voyager have some peace by beleiving what they wish about this particular episode.
This episode was a mindfuck. The writer must've been on mushrooms. It combined themes of alternate timellines/realities, with ghosts and life after death, with demonic entities and The Devil
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed in form. The energy that makes up a persons consciousness is no exception. Janeway's inner strength and courage would have been a huge bounty for a being able to consume that sort of energy. I liked how she pieced it together, how she was able to reason her way through the encounter without getting angry. Passionate reasoning!
No no; while it is absolutely true that we are made up of energy this does not mean that anything of a persons mind would be left after they are dead if only because our conscious mind is as every part of us physically based: so in other words even though the energy that makes us up will continue after we are dead does not mean that we will have anything to do with it; if only because if and when we die our organic machinery stops functioning and we cease to be; and there is, nothing.
While I do not agree with the second line of your statement I do applaud you for your appreciation of Janeway, and you are of course entitled to your own thoughts on the matter. Personally I think of the brain as a computer, one day it will stop running, or turn off, and that's all she wrote.
David Roberts what gets me is, suck folks can often see, characters like this as bad for their attemps the treaten or bribe someone into a facimily of heven or hell; but are unwilling to accept that; while the Devil only tested people's and and never lied; it was Good who not only lied but who also, punished the innocent while rewarding the guilty, who demanded Genocide in his name, and who murdered, men, women, and children. Like this character, God bribes people with the notion of heaven; while threatening them with the date of hell; all the while trying to convince us choosing to believe its an act of free will. What is being asked is for people to give up their ability for logic and reason.
I'm lowkey mad the world didn't fall in love with Kate Mulgrew until Orange, but glad we Trek fans got to have her to ourselves for 20 years. This is some stellar ish right here
Very few realize the writers were hinting about the reality of our situation. If you die, stay away from the light and do not trust any entity that comes to guide you.
She has done some great acting, one of my favorite episodes and it really shows her talents, she's pretty good in OITB, but it doesn't give her as many opportunities to show her acting chops as Voyager did
Interesting perspective on post-death transition and the visitation by controlling beings. All of Star Trek had lots to say about potentially real phenomena - only accessible through science "fiction".
Been obsessively bingeing Star Trek 4/5 minute clips of just brilliant conversation, and it consistently blows me away how much better this writing is compared to any other show on TV today, even on Voyager which is hardly considered Peak Star Trek.
+Vince0M1 I trust the Freemasons and the messages they put in these shows and movies. This Matrix is a prison on both sides. Check out my posts on my google page. Toy Story tells it like it is..you just have to be open to the information.
Ok Sooo..... bear with me here, but this can potentially be reality shattering. Fair warning if you prefer the blue pill. What if..... this happens to humans all the time? The tunnel of light, the deceased family members, telling you to follow the light, transition to the "next realm". Everyone seems to always go so willingly, because of our irrational attachments. But instead of going into a different soul harvesting matrix, what if they just sent you back to this one? Here on Earth? Isn't this place basically hell on earth? Inescapable suffering? Catch 22s at every turn, in this rigged system they call life? Calamity forever alternates with Prosperity, yes? Karma is even a rigged system. Good deeds don't generate good future happenings, but rather just set you up for the inevitable lows/bad? If people did good deeds just to generate good happenings in their life, are they actually good people..? Are people who conduct themselves in a decent way with the main driving factor being a heavenly reward later on actually good people..? Science says soon Virtual Reality will be nearly indistinguishable from the our own. To quote The Matrix..."What is 'real'? How do you define 'real'? If youre talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste, see well then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain". Is it really outside the realm of possibility that we are already in a soul harvesting matrix? It would make sense to have many billions of other people in the simulation, so that people would be none the wiser that their experience isn't 'real'? I mean how easy would it be for "them" to pretend to be God/The Creator/etc. and just swindle your soul after death basically? Not to mention, if you didn't have the luxury of a undamaged body to go back to, like Janeway, you would be very much at "their" mercy (or lack there of). Apparently this is what buddhists have secretly know for a long time, hidden plain view. There is already a lot of evidence out there supporting the theory of reincarnation. For those who would say that this is all simply nonsense and based on my 'beliefs', well i would say that i hold all beliefs very loosely, and that belief in the truth is not required of it to actually be true. There is a considerable amount of evidence that our lives here on earth are NOT ultimately reality/the only reality/ the only 'life' we've got to live. For those wanting specific references to evidence supporting these theories, i can provide. Ohh one last thing. Science says Atoms aka the unit of matter that makes up everything 'solid' in our universe is made of 99.9999% empty space... Ponder that for a second. What do you thing that actually means? Einstein's theories on relativity, which are accepted by most scientists, basically say time is a illusionary construct, meaning reality is ultimately TIMELESS... So if the two most important things that make up our reality, Time and Space, aren't actually 'real' according to science, what kind of implications can we draw from this? Edit: I just realized... Wanna know what makes this even scarier? Im certain 99% of people would fall for this trick. How do I know? Because 99% of people are incapable of distinguishing their own dreams from reality, until they wake up... right? Almost everyone who isnt a seasoned veteran in Lucid Dreaming interacts with their dream characters as if they are real... right? But you dont get to wake up when you die, now do you...?
Many people were unnerved by this scene. Including myself. Reminds me of a time when i was young, I was folowed around by a man who was looking for his dog and needing my help. He appeared many times throughout my day. Fortunately everytime he asked I was among a large crowd of children. This scene reminds us of a time in life in which we were about to be harmed and our good judgement told us no, saving us from an unknowable fate. We do not need to know the entities true need for her to go know it was nefarious. Because we can all feel along with janeway as we watch the scene. This is A+ trek.
I keep loving these nice clips because they bring me back to my time in the Delta Quadrant. My favorite memory was me selling my crew to the Borg in exchange for Super Mario Bros Wii enhanced graphics.
@@matthewramsdell3877 I love her ramming the time ship. Personally I don't have a specific "third" but how she's puts her own morals above the "prime directive" unlike Picard who literally lets a planet die because of the prime directive.
" You're in a dangerous profession captain, you face death everyday. There will be another time, and I'll be waiting. Eventually you're coming to my Matrix. And you will NOURISH me for a LONG.....LONG Time. " ( LOL, Great Dialogue )
Just want to say that (tied with Picard) Janeway is my favourite. No other captain could have done what she did. Taking an Intrepid-class tub across an ocean of unexplored space... No back-up, no allies, no cosy starbase pitstops... just light-years of terror wrapped in darkness & silence. The Borg, 8472, Temporal wars, alien torturers, plagues, anomalies, soul stealing entities... Janeway beat back everything and scorched her way across the Delta quadrant. If she couldn't trade or parlay, she would blast anything that stood in her way. And she really really cared about her crew. They were her family. Every death broke her heart. She even spent time with lowliest crewmen just to get to know them. She was truly the best. Mulgrew did a great job.
I never saw this episode before I watched the DVD yesterday, this is one of the most chilling things I've seen and one of the darkest moments in Star Trek, yes, including Deep Space 9.
I never saw this episode or this clip until now, but I thought the exact same thing just before Janeway said it when the entity departed, "Go to hell!"
Truth right before your eyes. This is why you see someone you love at your death. And they help Lead you to the light..... right back down to “earth” prison time life forever in reincarnation cycle perpetually.
"If you could force me, you would have done it already."
Excellent observation.
Phoenix Franks I love when he chastised her since he has been patient she surmises he is weakening/on the verge of giving up.
That's what christians believe about the devil. I can't for the life of me figure out if star Trek's writers are religious or secular.
This alien life form is like the Trickster from Sarah Jane adventures in the way it preys on you at the time of your death.
did he really say "hallucination? to a DEAD person? what a LAME FUKING reason srsly lmao
The whole "I need you to consent to this horrible thing wrapped up as a wonderful gift" is really quite ridiculous, especially in a scifi setting. In what ability, natural or supernatural, would such a restriction be beneficial to the user?
Janeway has defeated the Borg, the personification of Fear, and the devil himself. But the one thing she can't defeat is her need for coffee.
admiral janeway defeated the urge for coffee drinks tea instead now
there is coffee in that nebula ..............................................
Coffee is WHY she can do all those things.
@Noah Levine Or Neelix's Coffee.
Yup the evil one missed a trick there....”There’s endless coffee in there, Janeway....lets go have a cup”
"He never tried to shield me from life so why would he shield me from death" brilliant line
@Sylviane Back in the mid to late 1990s, I had a blast listening to "Star Trek - Voyager - Mosaic" read wonderfully by Kate Mulgrew.
That expands and fleshes out Janeaway's relationship with her Father and Sister.
Unless, you've already heard that, I would listen to it on TH-cam because it adds so much to the Voyager watching experience.
David
A line/lesson current over-protected generations should have been taught.
@@durchhalter Sadly they never will be, not until things - for lack of a better word - pop. Eventually the current generation will have a fatal confrontation with reality, one that will cause them to realize that everything they've been taught - all the lies that have been spewed to them - were just that: lies, lies meant to control them so that they will think a certain way and act a certain way.
@@durchhalter Said generations were also the kind not exposed to lead and asbestos lol
afterlife might have been a better choice. A father would try and shield a daughter from death
This is actually one of the most terrifying moments in Star Trek history, in my opinion. An alien predator that preys upon people in the moment of death is a truly horrifying concept! You could call this a new twist on the stories about vampires, but there’s some things in this story that are truly unique here too.
What’s even more terrifying is we are living in a matrix right now on earth and stuck in the ‘reincarnation’ cycle. Same same but different???
Yaldaboath's matrix
Counsciesness (Perfectly reflected through Jesus) is God's only begotten Son, in all His forms, and the false AI god wants to keep entrapped in "here"
@@djwiznzIm assuming you read David Icke’s book too! I came here searching for this clip after reading it in the book. It resonates with me so much!
Do we ever see this alien again?
This is Trek at its best, in my opinion. As much as I love the shows for the crew doing stuff together and getting it done, it's these moments involving eldritch alien monstrosities pulling some terrifying metaphysical bullshit that really give the series definition. It's as fantastical as it is science fiction.
Little did that demon, had he got Janeway into that matrix, she'd be running it with in the week.
ROFL, so true!
Day.
@Jacob Camdyn definitely, I have been watching on Flixzone} for months myself :D
LOL probably yeah!
"I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with ME!"
'Eventually you will come into my matrix. And you will nourish me for a long, long time. '
Super creepy reveal.
this is kind of the devil in startrek as it seems
Yeah that was my thought. It reminded me of how The Screwtape Letters ended.
It may only hunt souls in the Delta Quadrant.
It was a stupid thing for the alien to say, all he did was give Janeway even MORE incentive NOT to go with him. He was undoubtedly angry and said it without thinking how Janeway would react to it. Even if the alien was confined to one planet, the alien was STILL being stupid as Janeway would warn other races to stay away from the planet plus making idle threats makes him look ridiculous.
Arikm7 XD hahaha
Most other trek shows: "do souls exist? Iunno, not my department."
Voyager: "souls are real and at least one demon wants to eat yours."
No. Not a demon. Simply a parasitic non-corporeal alien from another dimension, that only seems to violate the laws of physics. *Takes shot of whiskey and hits off bong.*
@@RequiemPoete So a Demon. Amirite?
@@RequiemPoete Sounds like a demon to me. Star Trek _always_ have been a bit on the mystical side, to the point that __souls__ is an actual thing in the universe, federation calls it "life force" and vulcans call it "katra". Trek just treat spirits like, well, like aliens.
Beings like Q, Prophets and the Organians? They are _definitively_ gods. The point is, that even if there *are* incorporeal beings of unimaginable power, there's no reason to be servile or submissive to them .
@@dunmermage Yeah. That was the joke. Describe a demon, but not call it one.
Literally every other star trek show talked about the soul, it wasn't unique to Voyager at all.
I love Star Trek for this very reason. No matter how insane, impossible, or seemingly hopeless your situation is, you can always find your way through with skepticism, critical thinking and logic.
That's usually the case in the show. Not always, though. You wouldn't like hp Lovecraft
Joey Wall have you heard anything about the Saturn matrix look it up and see what it is about
Joey Wall True!
Yeah, and a five minute miracle, delivered by the writers lol.
Those functions of our minds are also preternatural defense mechanisms we humans have, this tradition in Star Trek goes all the way back to the beginning of the series; remember "Day of the Dove", the evil spirit they were dealing with there? Well, yes, Star Trek does indeed have it's own diabolical aliens, and what she's dealing with here, she comes to suspect, appears to be a "gangster spirit", and thus a monster.
"There's coffee in that Matrix"
takerdust
#JustBorgQueenThings :)
bah - not interrested. but is there latex-fetishism in there? ill join! :D
Lmao!
French roasted brain waves
😂 and well roasted too!
Her performance leaves me shaken. She's incredible.
She basically told the devil to go back to hell. Love Captain Janeway!
@Stefan Urban Isn't that the same with most religions? Because of "Free Will", they have to manipulate people to believe and join them.
God or Devil, the same thing, they make it sounds like their religions, their belief are "THE BEST" one out there and can't make people to go to their sides unless they AGREE to.
Sound like their purposes are all the same, to MANIPULATE people.
@@CuongNguyen-le5ic That's not just most religions, that's all modern religions. They preach about the afterlife, because as of yet science hasn't proven that bit of it as baloney. Everything else is completely made up and they prey on the mentally weak and vulnerable in order to line their coffers.
They add nothing of worth to current day society and quite frankly I feel that religion, like smoking, alcohol and driving should only be for people over the age of 18. Indoctrinating children with faerie tales and lies is tantamount child abuse and it should be illegal.
I am fine with discussing religion in schools though, but only in the context of history and social studies classes. It has no place in say a biology class.
Which is a really idiotic thing to say when you think about it.
@@CuongNguyen-le5ic You have the wrong idea-- and a very jaundiced view of things. All you need to do is read C.S. Lewis's "The Screwtape Letters" to see how God and the devils differ. Nobody can be manipulated into belief; it comes as the result of reasoning, as it did for Lewis when he thought his way out of atheism.
@@fermitupoupon1754 Good grief, you have it even worse that Nguyen! I challenge you to read anything by C.S. Lewis and then call him "mentally weak." Your ideological bigotry has to change.
Darth Vader: I am your father.
Janeway: You're not my father.
"Nooooooo!!!"
She should WISH he was her father.
Obi-Wan: I have the high ground.
Janeway: I AM the high ground.
Emperor: And now - young Janeway - you will die.
Janeyway: Thank you for calling me "young". But, no.
@@johnmccnj Janeway was born an old lady
I love Capt. Janeway's determination: *"Why are you pushing me, I've made up my mind. I'm staying here!"*
Only Tuvok and Chakotay dare trespass into this area and emerge.
“Go back to hell, coward!”
Love that line.
So do I.
I admire how she reasoned this guy isn’t her father based on his motives and behavior
An era where characters were allowed to have good fathers that loved their children, unlike today's characters that all have Daddy issues.
You live it do ya?
I love how they kept the "matrix" and what happens in there just vague enough that it lets your imagination run away. What "nourish" means for Janeway could either be dying and facing oblivion or being in unrelenting pain for who knows how long, most likely the latter. Or maybe something even worse than that. Watched this scene when I was a lot younger and it stuck with me.
The matrix would be reicarnating and the nourishment is all her pain in a cicle of endless lives
@@RitaColacoNuminous like our reality now
@@mrlasttimerPretty much
He wants her loosh
@@mrlasttimer what's a loosh
Glad she agreed to play the part of Janeway. She's fantastic!
oh my god...now I understand why my dad loved this show
Nick Baker yes it’s a wonderful show. And is very underrated and doesn’t get the appreciation it so deserves.
A man after my own heart.
JenG593 Yeah, especially from cbs
Lmao 😂
its pretty deep
The Delta Quadrant should be named after Captain Janeway. For she came, she saw, and she conquered all the way home.
delta not gamma
The Catherine Janway Quadrent doesn't have the same ring to it.
Not all.
Hmmmm The Mary Sue Quadrant.
Not really. She skipped on many many stars by deciding to actually finding a "shortcut" back to the alpha quadrant.
I believe this is exactly what happens at the moment of death. Don’t follow the light or any “relative” trying to help you. Stick around and asks questions. Time is no longer a factor. If you don’t acquiesce no being or entity can lay a finger on you, or make you do anything, and they fricking know it. You are untouchable, inmortal, and all knowing, just like the Source, but much much smaller.
ever seen the Twilight Zone episode "The Hunt"? I think you'd like it :)
You are small though, and easy prey. You need something to protect you. Jesus Christ will do that
Alien: eventually you will come into my matrix and nourish me for a long time
Janeway: you seriously need to work on your pick up lines!
Sounds like something Doctor or Tom would have said.
... especially when asking her out for coffee would have worked perfectly...
Janeway: Sorry, I am a disaster in the kitchen!
This is why Janeways my favorite Captain.
This also reminds of Kirk's quote in ST: The Final Frontier.
"Excuse me, why would God need a star ship?"
This is why they're Captains and why I would probably be scrubbing holosuites for a living.
The archontic reincarnation trap.
You get it❤
Everybody talks about the direct and hidden messages found in this scene (which is indeed very interesting) but almost nobody mentions the great acting that was done by Kate Mulgrew. Without her acting this scene probably wouldn't have delivered the same power and feeling that stand behind the message.
Shadow hidden messages?
@@georgeelsley4305 yes, regarding the archons. If you don't know what they are please research and get mindblown, that is if you're open minded.
@@ShadowRO752 is this reverse psychology or another case of 'they just don't care about being blatantly obvious anymore?'
@@alexaonther0x sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to :). Are you referring to the manner in which the entities chose to manifest in the scene?
@@ShadowRO752 I mean the theory of the archons tricking us to go into the light upon death to recycle us back into this world. Wasn't sure if this was supposed to be reverse psychology to that meaning maybe going into the void is the actual trap and they want us to think it's the light or if they simply don't care, like most things, and they're just rubbing it in our faces
She stared down conquered FEAR and DEATH! Both separate episodes (The Thaw, season 2 and Coda, season 3) were fantastic! What a captain!
You got it completely wrong.
Kathryn Janeway is the Chuck Norris of Star Trek. It's that simple.
"Go back to Hell coward"
Great line!
yep no one messes with janeway
Eh, not really. Especially when said to the dude's back.
DAMN I LOVE THIS SHOW! During 2020 shut down I watched all the Star Treks the entire franchise except the new one Discovery. So far my favorite: DS9 and Voyager!
1:38 The first question in a Starfleet job interview.
Alien answer: how dare you! That's racisttt!
Don't forget the eyebrow.
You mean the first question in Starfleet Academy ;)
Try it as a pick up line.
*nudge* *nudge* "We're not allowed to ask that any more, sir - the Equality Act 2290"
"you dont strike me as any kind of good samaritin" "but your patience is wearing thin" "let me tell you this!We can stand here for all eternity!! And I will never choose to go with you!!!"
3:45 I love that sudden shift in the background when he pushes her away. Originally it was this really pleasant, inviting light that someone would be happy to step into, believing there's a paradise waiting for them on the other side. But as soon as he pushes her away and stops pretending to be her friend, the light changes to an ominous orange, like someone's blood had dripped into the light. And all the while he's talking about what's to come, and what purpose she will serve, the light growls at them, revealing it to be a truly monstrous place.
Janeway called it right. "Go back to hell."
Kate always delivers. A truly great actress.
Janeway has such a way with words. Her delivery, inflections, and facial expressions. She is my absolute favorite ST Captain
I really find it damn interesting that instead of being scared she's being extremely mad and furious at the alien
well, the Alien Impersonated her Dad, made her die over and over and was making her happy so she lowers her Guard and gets Eaten... how can she not get mad, i don't know if it was said, but imagine if her dad was dead, and this Alien Impersonated him, to me that sounds like someone Disturbing the dead... or something like that... honestly id be Pissed too if some Alien looked like someone in my Family just so he/she can have his Daily Snack... if i was on that Bridge between life and Dead, id promise id be beating the living hell for all Eternity stating us Humans are Fighters, even when it comes to death
well she is a starfleet officer she is trained for dealing with hostile aliens 👽
Anger is an under rated emotion. It can give us strength and resolve.
SHE STOOD HER GROUND THAT'S THE GIVE AWAY HERE...WE DON'T HAVE TO RETURN STAND "YOUR" GROUND.
I could never get enough of this scene, or the one where she faced fear and annihilated it!
Part of me wishes that there was a brief interaction between this alien and Admiral Janeway during the final episode. Appearing to her right before death, and as her mind and the Borg Queens were linked the Queen would see him to. An entire dying Collective to be lured into his matrix.
So you want to kill that thing by making it become an obese diabetic. Clever.
@@Furzkampfbomber overload the shit outta it!
Deep!!! Scary. Talk about a bargain!
holy crap thats gold. very great idea
Except the fact that the collective never dies in that episode, so the borg would have known the existence of this entity and suddenly start the search for found and assimilating it
"Go back to hell! Coward!" Love Janeway!
+Richard Down me to NO ONE fucks with Janeway
4everanarsenalfan
Indeed! * shit eating grin *
+Richard Down Janeway is the best captain imo look at her predicament she stranded 75 years from home with only small crew and ship she has to get them home in a unknown region of space where there are lots of unfriendly aliens try to destroy Voyager. in the first episode she refuses to sacrifice the lives of an entire alien species just so they can get home quickly I applaud her for that(I know a lot of people think that was a stupid decision) but sacrificing the Ocompa so they can get home quickly would have been very selfish imo. she isn't perfect(I always felt they tried to hard to make Picard seem perfect) She cares greatly for crew and would die to protect them if needed
It's how power should be used.
"Coffee"? "No thanks! One more cup and I'll jump to warp!"
Ha!; Janeway just gave the middle finger to the devil. - Excellent!
It happens when you can call at any time an entity that can resemble God in any way (and have an entire species of similar behind), simply telling the word "Q"....
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bmwsux6
Hey! Show some respect. The devil has a name; It's Yahweh.
@@JohnSmith0010 What makes you think there's no devil?
@@JanetStarChild That would be the other Guy. You know, the GOOD one.
@@MaskedMan66
Yes, yes, I know. The good one is Lucifer and the bad one is Yahweh.
This is got to be one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever. Kate Mulgrew's acting is impeccable.
I remember watching this so many years ago. I like feeling nostalgic.
She was angry at him. He used the image of her father to manipulate her.
He was preying on her, preying on a vulnerable victim. She was vulnerable, but her strong will prevailed in the end.
Cowardly for preying on the weak.
Always be cautious of people who say, "I'm only trying to help you. "
This is classic Janeway and it is why I love her so !!!
Demonic Alien from Hell. A scary thought to know that every time you are about to die or you have a near death experience this Being is approaching you to pull you into his matrix. This VOY episode alone could make an excellent standalone horror movie.
Talk about Caroline (2009) movie.
This is a species occupying the Delta Quadrant. Ours is a white light, non-silent presence. This matrix of red 🔥 is not afterlife. Besides, Satan would never “admit” to being an alien species. Satan would attempt to deceive and an alien attempting to feed off your consciousness is not only a foolish deception, but counterproductive.
@Npc# 70954321789 Yea, but death wasn't usually treated as a malevolent being on The Twilight Zone. They usually treated it as an inevitable part of life that was neither good or bad and most people fear it unjustly because they don't know what happens after.
Also seen in Dr Who. And the book and show, Childhood's End.
Except this Alien makes no sense unless you are talking about a supernatural entity.
Excellent chilling performance by Len Cariou at the end there!
This scene is truly one of the most disturbing in all of Star Trek. The fact that Janeway was this close to be essentially dragged to hell, which is truly a horrifying prospect in itself; and the aliens final remark only solidifies his character as a demonic entity.
Supposedly, some people who claim to have been to Hell have described new arrivals being greeted by demons disguised as loved ones before tormenting them. Perhaps this was based on those testimonies.
Honestly, few other scenes in science fiction give me so much chills as this one.
One thing people need to know, they have refined this deceased love one trick. Now we are all watched constantly ever second. If you asked your loved one a secret question, they will give the right answer. They have also refined the light and the fake love ones to emit a love feeling to us. We are drawn toward this. They can fake it enough to fool us.
This is actually the "heaven" we have been sold. People think the light is the entrance to heaven. They end up going through the life review which is a trick to make you think you have to incarnate again. If you do not want to incarnate again you are subjected to constant persuading, if you still refused to live again on earth, they just mind wipe you against your will.
@@laurfincher8137 setting aside how insane this sounds, i dont really see the problem here. returning to earth would be fire if you get to keep your memorys if yo udo it voluntarily. living dream for everyone who doesnt want to die. like, im sure if heaven exists its great and all... but in my experience, everlasting joy is a really bad idea. we humans need adversity, and lots of it, to enjoy the good things in life when we finally get to take a break. if heaven doesnt have that, its pointless. plus, our interest as humans is always centered on earth and humanity, and its matters, and not whatever heaven is all about.
@@laurfincher8137 What do you base any of this on`?
Lol there is no "hell" 🤣
Earth is a prison planet and it’s a reincarnation soul trap don’t go to the light upon death they will try everything to convince you to go but don’t go into the void and ask to be shown the true way out. When the alien said about going into his matrix and it will nourish him for a long time. That is what they do in real life and they use us as an energy source. I had nothing to do with hell like your talking about hell is the earth the prison planet
Plot twist: Janeway's ancestors were professional truck drivers.
And hero’s they must’ve been to fight against the covid19 quarantine for maintaining the supply chain.
Am I missing a joke?
@@Tigerman1138
The joke is being a trucker is a risky profession.
Mark Myjak Oooohhh! Thanks.
@@brutalhonesty07 That's why I love playing Euro and American Truck Simulator, it's a very important profession.
This is probably the most horrifying scene in any Star Trek.
Adam McLaughlin it really was! This scene was very creepy and eerie to me.
Adam McLaughlin not even close.
This alien has a sinister agenda but Janeway had the situation well in hand thanks to her strong will and her crew fighting to save her life. Besides, the alien's threats at the end were hollow and Janeway knew it so compared to scary beings like the Borg and Species 8472, this alien for all of its powers was nothing.
@ LIBERALGUNSMOKER and @ryan macdonald thats not why they find it scary. They find it horrifying because if you were in this same situation, where an unknown entity is trying to deceive you after what you thought was your death, disguised as the people you cherished most in this life and using them as bait, do you think you would be able to tell the if it was real or not? Honestly the alien in this scene did a pretty bad job and trying to force her to choose. Most people who dont study their own dreams would not be able to tell they are being tricked. Because riddle me this, im willing to bet nearly every single time you dream at night which is every single night youve ever been alive even if you dont remember them, during the dream, you think its real, dont you? You interact with the characters in your dream as if they are real, right? You think everything you experience in the dream is real until you wake up right? Unless your are a very seasoned lucid dreamer with 10+ years of practice i doubt you would react the same way Janeway did. Because guess what? You dont get to wake up when you die lol. So how would you ever know you are being tricked in the the first place??? This is why its absolutely horrifying.
It is the most enlightening and should be taught to all.
Kathryn is awesome just looks that thing in the eye and says "Go back hell you coward" she had guts.
Christopher Brehe Glad to see someone tell it as it is.
Kathryn is awesome first woman to be THE CAPTAIN.
SgtPiggie depends on the point of view yes in reality it was part of the script but from the point of view of fictional Universe of Star Trek it was guts.
I'd have said something much worse to the alien that included swearwords while flipping off the alien as he left and I imagine Janeway would've too if the real life censors would've allowed it.
Jason Nesmith still does she's red from orange is the new black lol she makes a goof Russian
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did she just flip off death?
😂👍
that's Captain Janeway for ya.
Not today, mate!
Remember,: only the good die young.
Yes, yes she did.
She flipped off what is known as an archon. These beings use us to feed off our lower vibration emotions. It is trying to get her to reincarnate, so like the matrix, it will use her like a battery. Like she cleverly surmised, she has to volunteer to go with it, however this is not really volunteering, as the whole experience is deceptive. If we knew what we were really getting into we would refuse immediately.
Female empowerment: Strength, honor, courage, intelligence, and even trust in her male colleagues.
If only these feminists would learn from a true woman.
Tribalism does not fit the Star Trek universe Daniel. That Feminist/anti-feminist dyad only serve to provide a semblance of meaning to a life without drive.
@@DimitriosDenton Maybe tribalism doesn't exist between humans in Star Trek. But definitely between alien races.
@@stickman2012 No, tribalism absolutely exists among humans in ST. Anytime a human says "Typical for a ferengi, klingon, etc..", that's tribalism. The real point is that even though real differences in species exists, there can still be trust and understanding.
You mean subordinates, NOT colleagues.
That last line. It is what makes me tell people about Voyager. She Soooo nailed this part. That is absolutely in the top 10 lines in Star Trek
OMG! they rub it in our face all day long and our eyes are closed...
This is such a good catch, thank you!
really well said ;) anyways...all ideas are still smashed by anothers, so many hypotesis, possibilities.. one more possible from another.. untill you will not experience it by yourself.. and how will you know (realy) what is right/good? now its just more scarrry...
Believe me, I've seen a lot of horrible, creepy and bizarre shit, but this video gives me the chills that I have never known before, it just hits a massive truth bell deep within my soul.
I'm here, 'cause thinking about something related to this, shook me up so much, I had warm shivers for five hours straight, until I couldn't take it no more, and forced myself to rest.
“Go back to hell, coward”
Oh man I love that
Kate Mulgrew was powerful in this scene, seriously powerful. She truly showed us Janeway’s strong will.
She should ask Q about this species and ways to combat it while "dead".
Imagine Janeway showing up in the matrix, and tell this entity, Surprise MF, !
Who says it wasn't Q?
@@MaskedMan66 Not Q's style at all.
@Jeff O I didn't mean the John de Lancie one-- although you'll remember that when he first appeared, he was very sinister and ominous, unlike the joke he later became.
All she has to do is refuse to go with it.
This was by far a wonderful episode of Voyager that I'll never forget. I just remember being all torn by Chakotay pleading and begging Janeway to breathe and breathing life into her lungs. I about lost it when he sobbed her name saying: you can't die! And this scene is awesome..Chakotay telling her to fight a little longer. And when Janeway tells her "father" to go back to hell coward I did several fist punched in the air like YES! 👍
That was something. He lost it when he thought they lost her.
John Frazer yes he really did. But now I realize that the audience was seeing this episode at times through Janeway’s own eyes. It was a wonderfully written episode.
@Rick Morty thank you for this enlightening paragraph about death and what you believe it is. You must be an expert on the matter and know everything that has to do with death. Do you have a sixth sense? Can you sense death before it happens? Like I said you must be an expert…do tell, Mr. Priest cause you apparantly know everything and I know nothing.🤷🏻♀️
@Rick Morty I beg to differ. Religions are not lies. And people have the right to choose to believe what they wish to believe. You are living by books-aren't books fiction as well? Or are they real to you?
@Rick Morty Sir I HAVE seen the comments here. What YOU don't understand is this show IS fiction-not real. But these episodes mean something to those who watch. You clearly have no understanding of what fantasy is and tend to believe things written in books, which are fantasy as well. I don't mean to sound harsh, but if I had wanted a lecture from you about death then I would have gone back to college again to get it. Let people choose to believe what they wish to believe and stop throwing your beliefs down my throat and others' throats. You believe what you wish to believe-and let the fans of Star Trek Voyager have some peace by beleiving what they wish about this particular episode.
This episode was a mindfuck. The writer must've been on mushrooms. It combined themes of alternate timellines/realities, with ghosts and life after death, with demonic entities and The Devil
Right from the first opening scene I was hooked, this episode has been my favourite so far.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed in form.
The energy that makes up a persons consciousness is no exception.
Janeway's inner strength and courage would have been a huge bounty for a being able to consume that sort of energy.
I liked how she pieced it together, how she was able to reason her way through the encounter without getting angry.
Passionate reasoning!
No no; while it is absolutely true that we are made up of energy this does not mean that anything of a persons mind would be left after they are dead if only because our conscious mind is as every part of us physically based: so in other words even though the energy that makes us up will continue after we are dead does not mean that we will have anything to do with it; if only because if and when we die our organic machinery stops functioning and we cease to be; and there is, nothing.
While I do not agree with the second line of your statement I do applaud you for your appreciation of Janeway, and you are of course entitled to your own thoughts on the matter. Personally I think of the brain as a computer, one day it will stop running, or turn off, and that's all she wrote.
this is misinformed, and incorrect in several ways. Perhaps you should look further into this before you make outrageous claims.
David Roberts what gets me is, suck folks can often see, characters like this as bad for their attemps the treaten or bribe someone into a facimily of heven or hell; but are unwilling to accept that; while the Devil only tested people's and and never lied; it was Good who not only lied but who also, punished the innocent while rewarding the guilty, who demanded Genocide in his name, and who murdered, men, women, and children. Like this character, God bribes people with the notion of heaven; while threatening them with the date of hell; all the while trying to convince us choosing to believe its an act of free will. What is being asked is for people to give up their ability for logic and reason.
"Energy cannot be created or destroyed" Is that so ? I think energy can be used, and then it's gone.
I'm lowkey mad the world didn't fall in love with Kate Mulgrew until Orange, but glad we Trek fans got to have her to ourselves for 20 years. This is some stellar ish right here
Very few realize the writers were hinting about the reality of our situation. If you die, stay away from the light and do not trust any entity that comes to guide you.
I agree with you my friend. Ask to connect to your higher self (oversoul, true self) and than and only than you do what the REAL you wants to do next
💯 . I wish more people knew the truth.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur It’s the awoken ones goal to inform the populace of this situation we must bring the system down
The Father is not a true father but an impostor. They capture you after death through your affiliation with the religion egregore
Anything dramatic is a con artist. Reality is that you are perfect as you are primordially. You dont need any convincing or persuading.
Fitting. That almost looked like the Eye of Sauron...fitting.
She has done some great acting, one of my favorite episodes and it really shows her talents, she's pretty good in OITB, but it doesn't give her as many opportunities to show her acting chops as Voyager did
WHHHAATTT that's her? She's also in Queer as folk! That's fucking amazing
Kate Mulgrew is a great actress. Too bad Voyager had shitty writers.
True-- it wasn't Kate's fault that Janeway did what she did; it was horrible writing that made her be hypocritical.
Interesting perspective on post-death transition and the visitation by controlling beings. All of Star Trek had lots to say about potentially real phenomena - only accessible through science "fiction".
Been obsessively bingeing Star Trek 4/5 minute clips of just brilliant conversation, and it consistently blows me away how much better this writing is compared to any other show on TV today, even on Voyager which is hardly considered Peak Star Trek.
One of my favorite Janeway moments. She was not having any of it!
This is soft disclosure just like stargate. They've left so many clues for us.
The way she says 'everlasting joy' 😄
Best. Janeway moment. EVER!!
I love the background music... it triggers immense discomfort... brilliant
If people only knew …. They wouldn’t think this as theatre
wow, this clip really made me think about our own lives and perceptions of deaths, and what if this was true to some extent. mind explodes.
+Vince0M1 I trust the Freemasons and the messages they put in these shows and movies. This Matrix is a prison on both sides. Check out my posts on my google page. Toy Story tells it like it is..you just have to be open to the information.
Ok Sooo..... bear with me here, but this can potentially be reality shattering. Fair warning if you prefer the blue pill.
What if..... this happens to humans all the time? The tunnel of light, the deceased family members, telling you to follow the light, transition to the "next realm". Everyone seems to always go so willingly, because of our irrational attachments. But instead of going into a different soul harvesting matrix, what if they just sent you back to this one? Here on Earth? Isn't this place basically hell on earth? Inescapable suffering? Catch 22s at every turn, in this rigged system they call life? Calamity forever alternates with Prosperity, yes? Karma is even a rigged system. Good deeds don't generate good future happenings, but rather just set you up for the inevitable lows/bad? If people did good deeds just to generate good happenings in their life, are they actually good people..? Are people who conduct themselves in a decent way with the main driving factor being a heavenly reward later on actually good people..?
Science says soon Virtual Reality will be nearly indistinguishable from the our own. To quote The Matrix..."What is 'real'? How do you define 'real'? If youre talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste, see well then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain". Is it really outside the realm of possibility that we are already in a soul harvesting matrix? It would make sense to have many billions of other people in the simulation, so that people would be none the wiser that their experience isn't 'real'? I mean how easy would it be for "them" to pretend to be God/The Creator/etc. and just swindle your soul after death basically? Not to mention, if you didn't have the luxury of a undamaged body to go back to, like Janeway, you would be very much at "their" mercy (or lack there of). Apparently this is what buddhists have secretly know for a long time, hidden plain view. There is already a lot of evidence out there supporting the theory of reincarnation. For those who would say that this is all simply nonsense and based on my 'beliefs', well i would say that i hold all beliefs very loosely, and that belief in the truth is not required of it to actually be true. There is a considerable amount of evidence that our lives here on earth are NOT ultimately reality/the only reality/ the only 'life' we've got to live. For those wanting specific references to evidence supporting these theories, i can provide.
Ohh one last thing. Science says Atoms aka the unit of matter that makes up everything 'solid' in our universe is made of 99.9999% empty space... Ponder that for a second. What do you thing that actually means? Einstein's theories on relativity, which are accepted by most scientists, basically say time is a illusionary construct, meaning reality is ultimately TIMELESS... So if the two most important things that make up our reality, Time and Space, aren't actually 'real' according to science, what kind of implications can we draw from this?
Edit: I just realized... Wanna know what makes this even scarier? Im certain 99% of people would fall for this trick. How do I know? Because 99% of people are incapable of distinguishing their own dreams from reality, until they wake up... right? Almost everyone who isnt a seasoned veteran in Lucid Dreaming interacts with their dream characters as if they are real... right? But you dont get to wake up when you die, now do you...?
Where can I find your posts?
They put the truth right in front of us sometimes.
Definitely one of Janeway's fiercer episodes! Love it!
Janeway is a real fighter, that's for sure!
this lady is a hell of an actor!
Many people were unnerved by this scene. Including myself. Reminds me of a time when i was young, I was folowed around by a man who was looking for his dog and needing my help. He appeared many times throughout my day. Fortunately everytime he asked I was among a large crowd of children.
This scene reminds us of a time in life in which we were about to be harmed and our good judgement told us no, saving us from an unknowable fate. We do not need to know the entities true need for her to go know it was nefarious. Because we can all feel along with janeway as we watch the scene.
This is A+ trek.
Did he go back into the eye of Sauron??
Lol right?!
He's fucking around with the Gift of Men again.
Yeah that's Sauron's little brother Sauerkraut.
Of course. Janeway was his "precious" daughter (well, seemingly)
Thats what i thought too O_O
Truth hidden in plain site. Don't go to the light.
Never thought of it like that
Darth vadar: I am your father!
Janeway: You're not my father go to hell!!!
I keep loving these nice clips because they bring me back to my time in the Delta Quadrant. My favorite memory was me selling my crew to the Borg in exchange for Super Mario Bros Wii enhanced graphics.
Between the “Fear Clown” and this Voyager had scary and often psychoanalyst shows.
This moment is one of the top 3 reasons Janeway is my favorite captain
What are the other 2?
+Modern Spartan when she rammed Voyager into the time ship and the I don't like bullies and I don't like you line
Matthew Ramsdell Umm... yeah I agree. Though her move in Scientific Method was pretty badass!
Matthew Ramsdell exactly!!!!
@@matthewramsdell3877 I love her ramming the time ship. Personally I don't have a specific "third" but how she's puts her own morals above the "prime directive" unlike Picard who literally lets a planet die because of the prime directive.
It was emotional when the Starfleet guys said hang on Catherine because they called her by her first name instead of Captain or Captain Janeway.
One of my fav scenes of Janeway being Janeway.
"Her eyes are opening", what a line filled with meaning!
The Captain I love the most😍
Can't believe I'm older than her now....
" You're in a dangerous profession captain, you face death everyday. There will be another time, and I'll be waiting. Eventually you're coming to my Matrix. And you will NOURISH me for a LONG.....LONG Time. " ( LOL, Great Dialogue )
Darkton80 i really love if an alternative ending shows Q suddenly appearing saying "Are you sure?"...
"Go Back To HELL, Coward"
"I have never encountered someone so resistant"
That alien obviously haven't met a lot of humans then.
True, Janeway was probably his first.
@@freshpressedify "We can stand here for all eternity, and I would never agree to go with you!"
I can imagine a toddler holding back from going with mother through a mall. Alien would be lost what to do.
I agree that he hasn't met many humans.
I would fight so hard NOT to go with him. I would resist way more than Janeway did.
Me: why does it say “evil alien” he seems fi-
4:00: “you will come into my matrix and nourish me for a long time”
Just want to say that (tied with Picard) Janeway is my favourite. No other captain could have done what she did. Taking an Intrepid-class tub across an ocean of unexplored space... No back-up, no allies, no cosy starbase pitstops... just light-years of terror wrapped in darkness & silence. The Borg, 8472, Temporal wars, alien torturers, plagues, anomalies, soul stealing entities... Janeway beat back everything and scorched her way across the Delta quadrant. If she couldn't trade or parlay, she would blast anything that stood in her way. And she really really cared about her crew. They were her family. Every death broke her heart. She even spent time with lowliest crewmen just to get to know them. She was truly the best. Mulgrew did a great job.
Exactly
And... she broke the temporal time line to outwit the Borg queen! Yay, Captain Janeway!!!
The praise doesn't go to Janeway, it goes to the writers....
I Love Captain Janeway!! One of the best Starfleet captains!! Kate Mulgrew is an awesome actress!!
Hot damn. What a commanding woman she is! I wouldn't mind sparking a argument with her on a regular basis.
I wouldn't mind doing something else with her on a regular basis.
I never saw this episode before I watched the DVD yesterday, this is one of the most chilling things I've seen and one of the darkest moments in Star Trek, yes, including Deep Space 9.
nopoet406 that’s why I loved this episode so much. One of my most favorite episodes of Voyager.
What’s the episode I want to watch it
@@lamuary1 The episode is called coda on Star Trek voyager
"You need me to agree"
Truth drop
The BEST Star Trek captain of all times! 🎉
"Go back to Hell, COWARD!" One of my favorite lines in the whole series
I love that she says "go *back* to Hell." She does indeed see him as the devil, or at the very least a demon, in that moment.
Len Cariou did an excellent job with this part. It could have been done so much worse by a lesser actor, especially playing against Kate Mulgrew.
I never saw this episode or this clip until now, but I thought the exact same thing just before Janeway said it when the entity departed, "Go to hell!"
Damn! What an intense scene. Voyager is underrated.
Truth right before your eyes. This is why you see someone you love at your death. And they help
Lead you to the light..... right back down to “earth” prison time life forever in reincarnation cycle perpetually.