Powerwall 3 owner here! I've been waiting for this iteration (at the 3rd iteration point, technologies really hit their straps), and as soon as it was released, installed it. Seamless. Faultless. The perfect addition to the home solar/EV/Everything Electric setup. Honestly could not be happier. Viva la renewable revolucion!
You have been ripped off. 13.5kwh for megabucks when batteries are now $50 per kwh. Tesla preys on the naive and uninformed. You will have an expensive white elephant when V2G becomes commonplace.
@@rogerphelps9939 He he, you don't know much about renewables, sadly. Works seamlessly - superb product, best on the market, no cheapy jobs for me. You can have your coal and gas, I'll stick with my solar panels, EV and home battery system. Energy independence, energy backup, VPP means I not only spend nothing on power, but make money from it. Winning!
I got a shock this week, the reception later asked if I wanted a room with a view. My hotel in Dundee has a scenic view of a council car park with NINE !! Powerwalls along with a solar array, some of which I assume is going into my car charging in one of 20 ish bays.
Refreshing to hear someone knows the difference between kWh and kW. Also good that Imogen mentions the maximum rating of PW3. Not much point having all that stored energy if it can only supply enough to power a tv set. We installed a PW2 7 years ago and no issues so seems very raliable product (touch wood). One PW is enough for most people. If you have an EV I guess you may be able to do V to G in future so making multiple PW's less useful.
Re: V to G, I've heard and read of concerns about this putting the EV battery thru more charge/discharge cycles, thus reducing the life of the EV battery. It seems to be a reasonable concern but I've yet to see any quantitative numbers to back up that concern. Thoughts?
@@chuckm260 Tesla vehicles quote a 1500 cycle life to 80% SOC, so 4.1 years if you charge / discharge every day, after 1500 cycles, max loss of capacity is 20%, I build prismatic LPF batteries these had a cycle life of 4000 or 10.9 years charge / discharge every day the latest versions are 6000 cycles so 16.4 years, Powerwall 3 is using Prismatic LPF so expect a long life from these, Tesla needs to get their act together and start using prismatic cells in their vehicles instead of the cylindrical cells they currently use, these are not only much heavier but also don't package anywhere near as small as prismatic.
@@chuckm260 If it was your main battery that could be an issue but if you have it as an back up to your PW, it should not get much use (only in emergencies). Basically you can use your car instead of buying extra PWs for piece of mind.
Great to share the installation with you and chat about Powerwall 3. Looking forward to helping people with battery storage and solar at Everything Electric SOUTH from tomorrow. We are on stand H10 if you are there and would like to come and see us.
I installed 2 PW3's and 7.29 kw of solar panels, I am a British ex-pat living in Anaheim Ca I have a swimming pool and my average usage is 30kwh per day the panel produces an average of 40kwh so I export some excess. My electric bill on average is now $0 compared to $250 a month.
Giverenergy has less capacity than PW3? The direct competitor product to PW3 is a Givenergy All-in-One (AIO) which has a capacity of 13.5kWh and max charge/discharge of 6kW practically the same spec. as PW3. Everything Electric used to be a gold standard for accuracy, but recent videos have many inaccuracies. Please tighten up your editorial standards.
GivEnegy have announced an all one battery and inverter with a capacity of 13.6kWh, so a direct competitor to the powerwall 3. Spirit Energy did a video about it a few days ago. Some of the smart features sound quite clever.
We fitted a Powerball 2 back in 2018 and it has proved it's worth, HOWEVER: Something to allow for as regards winter usage. The trick is to charge up on off Peak (the old economy 7) when energy is cheap, to run the house during the day when it is not. Here is the catch: Octopus only allow 3 hours at Off Peak, and Tesla throttle the charge rate to 1800 kWh, (although the battery can charge at way more), and that 3 hours will noware near fully charge the battery. I therefor find myself using mains during the day as there is not enough for a days use. Adding another Powerwall would not solve the issue, as I would get no more energy due to the throttling. I have considered adding a Libby, as that would charge independently, enabling both batteries to charge at 1800 kWh, so doubling the charge, but I think I will probably just get a big Bluetti or Eco-Flo portable power unit that I can plug some of the Herschel IR panels into to bridge the gap. They would charge independently, be available for other uses, and cost less than a Libbi or Powerwall. All this depends on having an Off Peak Tariff. If the hours and duration change, so do all the calculations :-(. If the Economy 7 type Tariff is discontinued for any reason, adding storage is much less of an investment, only really being useful in the 8 to 9 months of longer days. Winter tends towards Bugger-All :-(.
@@NunoLima1337 I am making an assumption that Tesla is throttling to preserve the battery. At other times it has charged at 3.3k (the max on my solar at Peak) with out any problem. As it exports at 5k there would seem to be no issue with the local infrastructure. Also, back when I was on the "Tesla Tariff," it charged at a higher rate, but then I had no control over the system except turning the battery off. The car will charge at 7k. I am on Octopus Flux, but I don't see how Octopus can control the Powerwall.
That's odd, worth checking out. I'm on Intelligent Octopus Go and my PW2 fully charges in the six hour cheap slot. Doesn't take the full six hours, not sure how long it takes but shares it with our EV..
@@NunoLima1337 exactly !!!!! 1800kWh is a CAPACITY measurement, not a flow rate (kW); also with multiple Powerwall units you cumulate the inflow / outflow rates !!!!!
🤣I chuckled when you said the average household only uses 13.5 kWh per day, I can believe that for England which has a similar latitude as Canada. Here in the USA especially in the sun belt, I believe 40+ kWh/day is the average. Mine certainly is.
I installed an oversized PV array on the roof to live off solar during the winter but was disappointed to find that despite getting well over the export limit on sunny mid-winter days when the sun is low in the sky, there was NOTHING on cloudy winter days which makes the idea of solar off-grid nonviable, despite batteries. Please revisit this property in late December on a dark, cloudy day! Perhaps we need a wind turbine configured to output D.C. lines like a virtual solar array then simply add it to the existing solar array.
Agree, I have 9.75 kW of panels, half east and half west facing. well oversized and in winter there are days when I get close to nothing. I would add though that in summer I’m building credit up through export to offset most of the winter costs. I have 2 EV’s too.
The PW3 provides 13.5 kWh capacity, a peak power of 30 kW and continous power of 11.05 kW as described by Imogen. According to GivEnergy's own blurb their All-in-One provides 7.2kW peak/6.0kW continuous
Love the tech and the fact that they are now LFP, but the one thing that has frustrated me is that over the past 3 years since we had solar installed, home battery storage hasn't got any cheaper. I thought having LFP would make the PW3 much cheaper. In most cases, it doesn't make financial sense to buy a Powerwall 2 or 3.
Agree that the label is wrong as it is just layperson speak for "your inverter has lower peak capacity than your solar array" - way too many folk with tiny solar arrays when in reality the marginal cost of extra panels always makes going as large as you can the most cost effective option.
It's a shame you can't have versions which you can bury in the driveway with wiring point and controls in an access hatch which provides IP68 sealing against surface water to >1m depth. |I have no where I can install this close to my meter except underground.
Tesla are bringing out a Powerwall 3 without an inverter (DC expansion unit). This can be used as a second battery rather than have 2-Powerwalls with an inverter each. Much cheaper.
What I need to know is the noise level. I've seen plenty of reviews; it seems a powerwall could be compatible with the battery already integrated in my solar set up and a better alternative than expanding that one. But I worry about how much noise it makes. I've seen a few of the previous model and the humming(i guess the inverter) is louder than a refrigerator; that's enough to bother the family at night. I don't get why details like that are always left out. If the powerwall 3 has improved over the 2 and it's more silent it's good to show it,or, if it hasn't we need to know. Not everyone has a garage or an isolated room for this
@@t1n4444 Not really a downside but something to be aware of. It's a key date of any protect like the capacity, voltage,... if you see the dB on the box of a vacuum cleaner or a dishwasher Why not with this ?
@@htsyami And you believe the public are going to do that, then? However the sound level wasn't mentioned in the episode hence something to be wary of. Mind you if the unit is fixed to a stud wall, say, then who knows what resonant frequencies are produced throughout the structure?
@ 05:00 Although he didn't say it, I'm guessing he means you need to retain ( or buy ) a separate inverter for your Microinverter setup. And at a quoted extra £1000 for the PW3 I would be better off with the Powerwall 2.
No mention of payback period ie total cost including installation divided by annual saving on the lectric bill. I would guess 10 years - but what is it actually?
The Powerwalls will always have an innate disadvantage. Every powerwall you buy, comes along with an inverter. For two powerwalls, you do not need two inverters at 2x the cost, when a 2x bigger inverter will only cost you something around 1.2x the smaller inverter. If Tesla comes out with a new dumb powerwall which doesn't have an inverter, which is also about 30-40% of the total powerwall cost, it's adoption rate will increase. I have a battery backup system, and it comes with a single large inverter and has 50kWh usable, which during emergencies and powercuts, can last more than a week for us, and getting an equivalent pw3 system would have been crazy expensive.
Every time you switch off a coil, or any magnetic field for that matter, the collapsing magnetic field generates a pulse (Back EMF), which has been thrown away until now, but it can be recovered. The pulses (voltage only, which can exceed hundreds of volts) can be collected in a capacitor bank and returned back to the batteries, as voltage. There's plenty of research and products, just waiting to be incorporated into existing motors and generators.
Interesting how they've overbuilt the system for the trough of power generation. That's what RethinkX has suggested the entire grid do with solar, wind, and batteries.
Where do you live? 35kWh sounds like you're running A/C which is very uncommon in the UK. My 3 bedroom house in southern England runs at about 11kWh per day.
Forget Solar in a British winter, when the average energy produced from say 8-10 panels on a dismal Dec-Feb day could give you as little as 5Kwh. 2 Powerwall 3's filled up with 27 Kwh of overnight 7p per Kwh electric, fed into a Heat Pump with a COP of 3-4. A 20 year investment. Do the Maths!
My aunt and uncle have had solar for about 12 years in South Wales which is very wet and rainy, and they have generated thousands of kwh's per year, they broke even many years ago.
11 kWh per day in an average household? If you live in a multistore apartment complex I can believe that, but no way for a standalone household. Even in the summer months (Scandinavia) in a small apartment with a FTX heatpump I would be around double that amount.
yes, my year round averge is 26kWh/day with peak in Winter of around 40-45kwh/day [Dunedin]; so just kept adding panels and batteries to bring the system up to maximize no grid
@@Leopold5100 The problem you'll have is solar production is poor in the winter, so to power your home and heatpump with panels and battery requires a system that's way too big in the summer. If you lived somewhere warmer, then it's summer cooling you need (I'm sure you'll use your heatpump for AC a few times in summer on warm NW days), solar and AC go together much better.
Agreed. I reckon the cost of owning it is 17 pence per kwh over a 15 year life, so you would struggle to get your money back at current import/export differentials. Currently only a green play.
@@Zarphag £7,800, with the discount, is high compared to other installers. I've seen it going for £7,600. Joju seem to be selling it as standard for £8,100.
I have a Powerwall 2. This model will be discontinued with the introduction of the Powerwall 3. The Powerwall 3 does not integrate with a Powerwall 2. If I want to increase my capacity in the future I either have to buy a Powerwall 2 now or scrap the Powerwall 2 and the inverter I have and replace with 2 Powerwall 3’s. The same thing happened with the Powerwall 1. Tesla seem to have little concern for their existing customers. Buyer beware
Tbh, it is usually only ever discussed as a side-benefit. Most battery storage discussions focus on the ability to a) utilise a higher proportion of your solar generation, b) get better access to the benefits of off-peak energy tariffs. No doubt, being able to function off-grid is a nice bonus, but it definitely isn't used as a selling/talking point by those that actually have battery storage systems in place.
The real benefit is running life between zero cost or in winter at the off peak rate all day. I agree that power cuts aren't much of a thing. We got a Powerwall 2 5 years ago and it's saving us a fortune and paid for itself.
@@DarrellMinards Really??? In 5 years? Could you provide some math about it? How many kWh you pumped in and used - and what is the delta between tariffs?
@@денисбаженов-щ1б I keep a spreadsheet to track it all - we're 100% electric so thats heating via a heat pump for water and house, plus cooking, lighting and a car. We use about 5MwH per year before the car and about 6 now. We charge the battery up overnight to fill the 13kwh battery and then run the heating etc through the day at 7p per unit vs the 35p we would have paid daily. Today its down to 28p. Essentially we save on average £2.60 today and it was up to about £4 per day this way. The prices were £5500 back in 2019 so payback maybe longer for some depending on your utility rates and off peak rates. Our total monthly bill is £40 including the car doing 8k miles pa...thats mostly the standing charge and any excess over the battery capacity in the thick of winter. Hope that helps.
@@DarrellMinards Thank you, data provided are very interesting. I believe your battery paid for itself, as you are very serious in your approach to the matter. Few questions , if I may: 1) what about battery health? how it's measured - as % of nominal capacity? 2) you've used about 25 MWh in 5 years, but I can't guess how much was cycled via the battery. You can have a lot of consumption at night, at lower tariff. 3) what pattern was used, in simple words, how you were charging the battery at night - on average? To 100%, 80% or - ? In fact, you made - as a customer - a real contribution to the progress in this field, as we still don't have a lot of people understanding this technology. Along with EV, you are in the first 5-10% of consumers - true pioneers. In fact, even your neighbors benefit from it - not having another ICE car with its emissions.
I have learnt something new in the video - Imogen is 5'4.5" in old money! TPW3 is an impressive piece of kit but the GivEnergy 13.5Kw all in one is £2k cheaper. Is the TPW3 worth the extra £2k per TPW3 (I am guessing that there is a discount for installing 2 or more so it might be £3-3.5k for 2 TPW3 installation)
The PW3 can provide much higher peak and continuous output as mentioned in the vid which would explain price differences. Apparently you'll be able to bolt on a second cheaper PW3 without an inverter if you only need the storage capacity. And, yes, Imogen is indeed an impressive piece of kit. Oh, wait, sorry, I misread your comment.
@@spiritusinfinitus outside of countries that need aircon, what level of continuous power should we actually need though. UK needs might, and probably are, very different to US needs, if we take a typical UK house use of 11 kw per day add in a heat pump and a bit of spare capacity, do we really need continuous power output of 10 KwH or would 6-7 be perfectly adequate? [for clarity I do not know the answer, this is a genuine question]
@@justinstephenson9360 Take gas out of the equation and use electricity for heating and hot water and you can easily blast through 11 kW per day. I used to live in a flat that was way more than that. If you have a couple of electric showers and instant undersink heaters (and assume no room to fit a hot water tank inside) I think most people vastly underestimate their actual peak usage when specifying these systems and many end up disappointed, but more often than not won't say that because of the cognitive dissonance caused by spending tens of thousands of pounds on a system!
@@spiritusinfinitus And that is why I asked what do we need if we take 11 Kw (which is across an entire day not 11 KwH) as the normal usage then ADD in something for a heat pump as the heating and hot water and then a margin for error do we need 11 KwH continuous usage or would 6 KwH continuous usage be sufficient take into account potential peaks for example when someone puts the kettle on!
Thanks for a wonderful informative video and great specifications now for the third version of the Tesla Powerwall - except for 130 Kg weight and the price of needing two of them and the gateway/transfer switch installation fees to get any off-grid capacity and no compatibility with the previous versions of the Powerwall. It is also a pity that previous Tesla Powerwall version look so bad relatively now and that the price of the complete installation was too high to be mentioned in this video and that also excludes the additional solar PV installation cost. I love Tesla, I love Elon Musk but they took a long time to learn about the advantages of Lithium Iron Phosphate cells and these prices are much higher than a simple 48 V self-build battery (less than BP 3000). I suggest that people needing power when the grid goes down might be better off focusing on just a subset of loads with no power peaks to isolate onto a separate consumer unit.
Exactly my first "huh" in this video as I'm currently looking at the givenergy set up. My second huh was the amount of electricity this guy needs and wants to be off grid in the city centre. Each to their own, but seems like an extra cost when you get cheap night tariffs.
Several other details weren't quite right either, powerwall 2 was same size energy storage for example. They made it sound like this was more 🤷 @@colinwiseman
@@денисбаженов-щ1б yes almost all houses have a 3 phase grid. Standard houses have 25A apartments have 20A. If you have a heat pump it's more. It's hard to say in kWh since that's power over time.
@@JonasHenn Sorry, I meant kW. But from the current - 20-25A - i found ~13-15 kW from a formula. 15 kW per house is kind of norm in different countries, for new houses. What's interesting here, is the EV charging. While 7 kW will work for most, 11 kW is close to the maximum, and 22 kW will not work (or not fully?) even in Helvetia and many other places with new grid. I imagine 2 EVs per family with two 22 kW chargers - PLUS AC and appliances. Then it must be 100A 3-phase (I'm not an electrician, so might be wrong). How a Swiss ihabitant can get 100A for his house? 2nd question: I've seen radiation - NBC - shelters in Graubunden years ago. Is it possible to put home battery - Li-ion, NMC/LFP - there? Or some rules forbid it? Because battery would be well protected there.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б well if you want you can order more power as an example a friend has a small house but a 63A connection. On the other hand it's mostly cheaper to use a sort of power management, if you have enough time to charge your EV it's no problem. To your second question sure that would be possible but what for? There are rules about fire security with lithium ion batteries but beside that I don't know a reason why it shouldn't be allowed.
So no one wants to give the payback period. Here's a rough estimate. My panels only generate a small amount compared to what I use, so the saving would be from charging at the night rate and emptying at the day rate. My day rate 25p, night 7p. So if I fully charge and discharge I will be saving 13.5 kWh x (25-7) = £2.43 per day or £886 per annum. If the toatal cost including install was £10k then it would take 11 years to pay back. Not a brilliant rate of return on investment yet but the batteries will come down in future I am sure.
11kWh per day for a household sounds quite high for the UK. Perhaps with a heat pump and EV charging on top, yes. But maybe ditch the tumble dryer for wind and or a dehumidifier.
Why, are you wanting to silence him, take it you are one of the people who want to silence anyone who disagrees with your view point which ironically would make you the fascist/right wing extremist, who presumably as a left winger is the thing you abhor. Odd that, you become so left wing that you turn full circle. Everybody must be controlled, everyone must agree with me or else, everyone must be controlled by government. Suggest you read Animal Farm
The cells are only part of the Powerwall, it's the battery management system electronics and software that can make a big difference along with the VPP option (Virtual Power Plant) that Tesla often offers.
Does anyone manufacture a system that uses Sodium-ion batteries? The fact that Sodium-ion batteries are much heavier than Lithium-ion really doesn't matter for stationary storage, and the materials are cheaper.
Their voltage range do not match current inverters of 48v. You’ll not be able to charge them all the way, over time the drift will cause issues. This would require inverters to increase their voltage range, or the industry needs to come out with 60v inverter and panel. The solar industry however decided to increase amps rather than volts, I doubt sodium batteries will catch on for homes in current configuration.
@@asderven That's absolute nonsense, if you need a battery to have a particular voltage then you can design that into the battery whilst designing the battery you're going to build, regardless of whether it's a sodium-oin battery or a lithium-oin battery.
@@matthewbaynham6286 I didn’t get my point across. Sodium batteries are 2v to 4v per cell, with a nominal 3.1v. Let’s assume you need 16 cells to make a nominal 48v battery. Max voltage = 16 x 4 = 64v. Minimum voltage = 2v x 16 = 32v. The inverter presently works between 42v and 60v. When the inverter sees the battery is 60v, it will stop charging. If the battery hits 42v it will stop discharging. Does that make better sense about how components are mismatched? Solar panels shifted from 12A to 14A~18A about three years ago, most hybrid inverter companies have not revamped their models until now. 2025 march is the next hope, but if the don’t, they won’t. Compared to that, sodium lithium batteries are even less of a concern for them. That is why at present it is hard to make them work. Bms can be tweaked, but this would only happen in the diy space. No company would issue settings for a sodium battery until they are sure. Expect a minimum of 4-8 years before sodium lithium cells catch on. By that point, the battery technology should have fundamentally started to change, negating the use of sodium batteries.
Tesla batteries are ridiculously overpriced. The price seems to be well above £500 per kwh but batteries are now around $50 per kwh. Even allowing for the interface electronics Tesla is laughing all the way to the bank. I have a Skoda Enyaq with an 80kwh battery. The basic price of these is around £40k so that is £500 per kwh with a car thrown in. It does not have V2L or V2G but very soon any EV worth its salt will have V2L or V2G as standard and in order to commpete Tesla will have to cut its prices drastically or exit the market.
True! Model 3/Y inverter for over 300 kW COST was estimated at about 750 USD. So, using 50-70 kWh EV costs, 30 kWh home battery should be rather 200 pounds per kWh or so.
@@philipashton6657 So will the Tesla battery. So will all EVs. So will all ICE cars. Your point? I really don't care because I bought new and will be using it until it falls apart which will be a lot longer than for most ICE cars.
My point is that it is not a sustainable business model. What are you going to do for spare parts when they eventually shelve their money losing strategy? Tesla vehicles actually do make a profit, and it is largely due to their manufacturing techniques. Ok, they are expensive at the moment, but they are across the board value for what you are paying. There is a reason that the model y is the best selling car in the world.... EVs are bringing about the demise of the old way of doing vehicle business. Service and spare parts were the vast majority of a car companies profits. They push hybrids on us for this fact alone.....
Old auto needs to change its mind set, or they will go out of business. It is an expensive transition. Capitalism dictates they need to make a profit, or lose stock market value and likely go out of business. Catch 22....
I'd have been all over this but seeing that my money would be going to a man who sees fit to jump and dance around on stage with Trump is just a no go now.
The Powerwall is a great, great battery that very few homeowners can afford. Powerwalls are ok for the richest 1 or 5%. But their excessive price, over $1,000 US per kWh installed, is actually hurting the climate because it is inhibiting the wider adoption of green energy. To go all electric and to free homeowners from corrupt electricity cartels (many are pretty horrid), the average home will need 20-50 kWh of storage. Bill Gates can afford that. Next, a fully electric house will need 2 or 3 or 4 Powerwalls or their equivalent to stay energy independent with a fully electric home. Again, I would love to have a few Powerwalls. But given rising prices for everything, having enough home battery storage to have an all electric hime is currently a pipe dream for 90 plus percent of homeowners.
No one wants to point out the obvious about the temperature range being misleading? -20°C is for discharging. If the battery is at that temperature, you’ll have to wait until the battery hit 0°C or higher, not the ambient temperature being 0°C. Charging minimum and maximum temperature as well discharging minimum and maximum temperature are different. Different temperature range also cause different degradation of the battery. All of this is critical information for European consumers, knowing Tesla, you won’t be able to change any of these parameters. Building a diy is still cheaper and far more versatile than getting this.
@@beachcrow so... Elon is really a nasty plutocrate? I can imagine a lot of key people living Tesla - to join other companies. Same with space - a lot of startups in space exist.
The Tesla brand is forever tainted by the antics of a certain Mr.Musk imo. I used to aspire to Tesla products but find that my personal ethics will not let me buy them even though I can now afford them.
How are they tainted and what antics? Supporting free speech, reduces government control of our lives and belief in personal freedom? Or do you want your life micromanaged by government and to be told what you can say and think?
I totally understand this sentiment. I'm even a Tesla shareholder. But I look at it this way - the Tesla mission is still a great thing. Therefore, one ought to try to set aside one's personal opinion of Elon Musk, if possible. And Tesla is definitely paying a high price for his unacceptability to a significant number of people. There are alternatives. It's kind of up to the consumer. And I feel betrayed by Musk too, as I know a huge number of people do.
Hmm I don’t really understand this hating on Elon. I mean love him or hate him, the fact is he has brought electric cars, the infrastructure and world class home battery storage forward 20 years… he’s made everyone raise their game…
There's not a chance in hell I'd have anything with the word Tesla written on it in my home. Might as well have "MAGA" spray-painted on the outside wall.
Why, are you so defined by the product that you buy? Do you have anything Chinese in your house? Might as well spray I agree with forced labour interment camps for those that do not agree my political ethos. I dont agree with everything Musk says or does, but that is his free choice but his companies make great products, and separating the two is quite simple. Do you think everyone that works for him shares his views? Everyone in teh CHinese plant? YOu know where they would end up if they did. So buy a Tesla and support them.
Tesla is over, for me at least. Not even for free, I have values. Without ethics, humans have no place in this planet. Look into Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD US, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
There are other brands, such as Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
@@t1n4444 . No he is a great technology and engineering leader . And at $269 billion dollar net worth,he is the richest man in the world . Sorry you can’t see the BIG PICTURE.
What difference does Musk's politics make? Its the quality and efficiency of the products that count. Stop being so childish. Other company's CEO's are even worse in some cases!!
😂😂😂😂 Because some people might decide Elon is rather too close to Trump for a lot of people to stomach. You should consider that some people might well possess principles you don't. Given the recent court cases we have seen featuring Trump in a starting role recently, not to mention the cases yet to be heard might well have something to do with people being concerned. It occurs to me too that Elon might well be considering running for office in four years and is only too happy to have Trump as his "mentor'. Who can say?
There are other brands, such as Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
Powerwall 3 owner here! I've been waiting for this iteration (at the 3rd iteration point, technologies really hit their straps), and as soon as it was released, installed it. Seamless. Faultless. The perfect addition to the home solar/EV/Everything Electric setup. Honestly could not be happier. Viva la renewable revolucion!
You have been ripped off. 13.5kwh for megabucks when batteries are now $50 per kwh. Tesla preys on the naive and uninformed. You will have an expensive white elephant when V2G becomes commonplace.
@@rogerphelps9939 He he, you don't know much about renewables, sadly. Works seamlessly - superb product, best on the market, no cheapy jobs for me. You can have your coal and gas, I'll stick with my solar panels, EV and home battery system. Energy independence, energy backup, VPP means I not only spend nothing on power, but make money from it. Winning!
It is not for the average homeowner I would think.
Everything good until EMP strikes from above at winter -20C
9000€, 13,5kw
Just fitted a PW3, worked out financially best choice given the capacity and built in inverter, was quite surprised.
It is actually really competitive in terms of cost per kWh, as you say.
I got a shock this week, the reception later asked if I wanted a room with a view. My hotel in Dundee has a scenic view of a council car park with NINE !! Powerwalls along with a solar array, some of which I assume is going into my car charging in one of 20 ish bays.
When will you be doing a video on the upcoming GivEnergy All in one Gen2?
Refreshing to hear someone knows the difference between kWh and kW. Also good that Imogen mentions the maximum rating of PW3. Not much point having all that stored energy if it can only supply enough to power a tv set. We installed a PW2 7 years ago and no issues so seems very raliable product (touch wood). One PW is enough for most people. If you have an EV I guess you may be able to do V to G in future so making multiple PW's less useful.
Re: V to G, I've heard and read of concerns about this putting the EV battery thru more charge/discharge cycles, thus reducing the life of the EV battery. It seems to be a reasonable concern but I've yet to see any quantitative numbers to back up that concern. Thoughts?
@@chuckm260 Tesla vehicles quote a 1500 cycle life to 80% SOC, so 4.1 years if you charge / discharge every day, after 1500 cycles, max loss of capacity is 20%, I build prismatic LPF batteries these had a cycle life of 4000 or 10.9 years charge / discharge every day the latest versions are 6000 cycles so 16.4 years, Powerwall 3 is using Prismatic LPF so expect a long life from these, Tesla needs to get their act together and start using prismatic cells in their vehicles instead of the cylindrical cells they currently use, these are not only much heavier but also don't package anywhere near as small as prismatic.
@@chuckm260 If it was your main battery that could be an issue but if you have it as an back up to your PW, it should not get much use (only in emergencies). Basically you can use your car instead of buying extra PWs for piece of mind.
Powerwall 2 capacity, incorrect statement.
I have a Powerwall 2, its capacity is the same as Powerwall 3 at 13.5kwh.
Great to share the installation with you and chat about Powerwall 3. Looking forward to helping people with battery storage and solar at Everything Electric SOUTH from tomorrow. We are on stand H10 if you are there and would like to come and see us.
I installed 2 PW3's and 7.29 kw of solar panels, I am a British ex-pat living in Anaheim Ca I have a swimming pool and my average usage is 30kwh per day the panel produces an average of 40kwh so I export some excess. My electric bill on average is now $0 compared to $250 a month.
Giverenergy has less capacity than PW3? The direct competitor product to PW3 is a Givenergy All-in-One (AIO) which has a capacity of 13.5kWh and max charge/discharge of 6kW practically the same spec. as PW3. Everything Electric used to be a gold standard for accuracy, but recent videos have many inaccuracies. Please tighten up your editorial standards.
Can you please compare this battery to the GivEnergy and SigEnergy batteries.
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Somehow I don't believe that's very likely ... for some "obscure" reason.
Have you seen the new Giv Hybrid All in One? Looks wicked... th-cam.com/video/cKc0l08frIc/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
@@t1n4444 There's a good video out there on TH-cam already comparing the Giv and the Tesla.
There are videos comparing AIO and Tesla 3 but no one seems to be talking about the SigEnergy. I think it's really new
GivEnegy have announced an all one battery and inverter with a capacity of 13.6kWh, so a direct competitor to the powerwall 3. Spirit Energy did a video about it a few days ago. Some of the smart features sound quite clever.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.
We fitted a Powerball 2 back in 2018 and it has proved it's worth, HOWEVER: Something to allow for as regards winter usage. The trick is to charge up on off Peak (the old economy 7) when energy is cheap, to run the house during the day when it is not.
Here is the catch: Octopus only allow 3 hours at Off Peak, and Tesla throttle the charge rate to 1800 kWh, (although the battery can charge at way more), and that 3 hours will noware near fully charge the battery. I therefor find myself using mains during the day as there is not enough for a days use. Adding another Powerwall would not solve the issue, as I would get no more energy due to the throttling. I have considered adding a Libby, as that would charge independently, enabling both batteries to charge at 1800 kWh, so doubling the charge, but I think I will probably just get a big Bluetti or Eco-Flo portable power unit that I can plug some of the Herschel IR panels into to bridge the gap. They would charge independently, be available for other uses, and cost less than a Libbi or Powerwall.
All this depends on having an Off Peak Tariff. If the hours and duration change, so do all the calculations :-(. If the Economy 7 type Tariff is discontinued for any reason, adding storage is much less of an investment, only really being useful in the 8 to 9 months of longer days. Winter tends towards Bugger-All :-(.
throttle to 1800kWh? Is that per year?
I'm on Octopus Agile and the PW2 charges at 5KW overnight for as long as needed to go back up to 100%.
@@NunoLima1337 I am making an assumption that Tesla is throttling to preserve the battery. At other times it has charged at 3.3k (the max on my solar at Peak) with out any problem. As it exports at 5k there would seem to be no issue with the local infrastructure. Also, back when I was on the "Tesla Tariff," it charged at a higher rate, but then I had no control over the system except turning the battery off. The car will charge at 7k.
I am on Octopus Flux, but I don't see how Octopus can control the Powerwall.
I have a PW2 and on Octopus Flux. It charges overnight at 5 kWh rate with no issues. I would suggest contacting your installer for support.
That's odd, worth checking out. I'm on Intelligent Octopus Go and my PW2 fully charges in the six hour cheap slot. Doesn't take the full six hours, not sure how long it takes but shares it with our EV..
@@NunoLima1337 exactly !!!!! 1800kWh is a CAPACITY measurement, not a flow rate (kW); also with multiple Powerwall units you cumulate the inflow / outflow rates !!!!!
is there a port to plug your ev cable into it straight off the battery , solar charge battery in day, battery charge car at night sounds simple
Excellent and accurate information for viewers. Had mine installed yesterday and was done in a single day, just!
🤣I chuckled when you said the average household only uses 13.5 kWh per day, I can believe that for England which has a similar latitude as Canada. Here in the USA especially in the sun belt, I believe 40+ kWh/day is the average. Mine certainly is.
I'm planning on using two EG4 14.3 kWh batteries with their 18k inverter.
I installed an oversized PV array on the roof to live off solar during the winter but was disappointed to find that despite getting well over the export limit on sunny mid-winter days when the sun is low in the sky, there was NOTHING on cloudy winter days which makes the idea of solar off-grid nonviable, despite batteries. Please revisit this property in late December on a dark, cloudy day!
Perhaps we need a wind turbine configured to output D.C. lines like a virtual solar array then simply add it to the existing solar array.
Agree, I have 9.75 kW of panels, half east and half west facing. well oversized and in winter there are days when I get close to nothing.
I would add though that in summer I’m building credit up through export to offset most of the winter costs. I have 2 EV’s too.
You would need a very capable dc-dc converter and 15m height for sensible windpower addition, talking about 500W, not in the kW.
In my area 2x Powerwall 3 is the same price as, 10kw inverter,15kw solar and 60kw of battery.
new lfp batteries are getting insane cheap. the new MB31 from EVE cost about 70€ per kWh. that is crazy.
2:03 GivEnergy All-in-One is also 13.5 kWh (12.4 approx usable), and has built in Invertor too 👍
The PW3 provides 13.5 kWh capacity, a peak power of 30 kW and continous power of 11.05 kW as described by Imogen. According to GivEnergy's own blurb their All-in-One provides 7.2kW peak/6.0kW continuous
@@spiritusinfinitus Yes, absolutely. Was just noting the capacity is similar/same.
Love the tech and the fact that they are now LFP, but the one thing that has frustrated me is that over the past 3 years since we had solar installed, home battery storage hasn't got any cheaper. I thought having LFP would make the PW3 much cheaper. In most cases, it doesn't make financial sense to buy a Powerwall 2 or 3.
Great questions, very clear. Tx
Sad enough still not avalible in the Netherlands. So what is the next best thing?
Thank you.
That's NOT an oversized system.
That's the system people should expect.
Full off grid freedom from power gougers.
Agree that the label is wrong as it is just layperson speak for "your inverter has lower peak capacity than your solar array" - way too many folk with tiny solar arrays when in reality the marginal cost of extra panels always makes going as large as you can the most cost effective option.
@@michaelwinkley2302 Indeed. People should read up on the 'Inverter Loading Ratio', or ILR.
@@michaelwinkley2302 you speakum the truth
Except the price gougers have lobbied government to make sure we still pay standing charge or tax as it should be called.
It's a shame you can't have versions which you can bury in the driveway with wiring point and controls in an access hatch which provides IP68 sealing against surface water to >1m depth. |I have no where I can install this close to my meter except underground.
Octopus has scheme - no money down for solar battery installed, pay off over 5 to 20 years
Tesla are bringing out a Powerwall 3 without an inverter (DC expansion unit). This can be used as a second battery rather than have 2-Powerwalls with an inverter each. Much cheaper.
What I need to know is the noise level. I've seen plenty of reviews; it seems a powerwall could be compatible with the battery already integrated in my solar set up and a better alternative than expanding that one. But I worry about how much noise it makes. I've seen a few of the previous model and the humming(i guess the inverter) is louder than a refrigerator; that's enough to bother the family at night. I don't get why details like that are always left out. If the powerwall 3 has improved over the 2 and it's more silent it's good to show it,or, if it hasn't we need to know. Not everyone has a garage or an isolated room for this
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Yes, but, why mention the possible downsides too early in the narrative?
Then google the datasheet and look at the decibel levels yourself
@@t1n4444 Not really a downside but something to be aware of. It's a key date of any protect like the capacity, voltage,... if you see the dB on the box of a vacuum cleaner or a dishwasher Why not with this ?
@@htsyami
And you believe the public are going to do that, then?
However the sound level wasn't mentioned in the episode hence something to be wary of.
Mind you if the unit is fixed to a stud wall, say, then who knows what resonant frequencies are produced throughout the structure?
It’s completely silent. We’ve installed a lot of these and never heard the fans once. You won’t notice it, even if it’s in the garage.
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Is one of those a Powerwall 3 and one a Powerwall 3 "expansion unit"?
The expansion packs aren’t available in the UK yet. Due out next year. Here we have 2, full Powerwall 3 units.
Both are Powerwall 3's, Scott. Expansion packs should be available in 2025.
Nice work Joju. Quite a sleek installation!
@ 05:00 Although he didn't say it, I'm guessing he means you need to retain ( or buy ) a separate inverter for your Microinverter setup. And at a quoted extra £1000 for the PW3 I would be better off with the Powerwall 2.
For this kind of money I would go for the Sigenergy, it's modular and upgradable.
Just want a single 20kw battery for my home only have space for 1 battery on my outside wall I think ill be waiting for Powerwall 5 or 6 maybe.
You can buy 400ah lifepo4 cells from a reputable vendor, that will get you 20kwh backup
No mention of payback period ie total cost including installation divided by annual saving on the lectric bill. I would guess 10 years - but what is it actually?
That’s relative to your normal power bill and how the unit is utilized
The Powerwalls will always have an innate disadvantage. Every powerwall you buy, comes along with an inverter. For two powerwalls, you do not need two inverters at 2x the cost, when a 2x bigger inverter will only cost you something around 1.2x the smaller inverter. If Tesla comes out with a new dumb powerwall which doesn't have an inverter, which is also about 30-40% of the total powerwall cost, it's adoption rate will increase.
I have a battery backup system, and it comes with a single large inverter and has 50kWh usable, which during emergencies and powercuts, can last more than a week for us, and getting an equivalent pw3 system would have been crazy expensive.
Tesla has “Expansion Packs” for this exact situation. They are a little cheaper than the full PW3. They add capacity not continuous output
Any tariffs on Chinese batteries in the UK?
Nice
Surely the power curve remains the same shape. But the area under it increases.
Every time you switch off a coil, or any magnetic field for that matter, the collapsing magnetic field generates a pulse (Back EMF), which has been thrown away until now, but it can be recovered. The pulses (voltage only, which can exceed hundreds of volts) can be collected in a capacitor bank and returned back to the batteries, as voltage. There's plenty of research and products, just waiting to be incorporated into existing motors and generators.
Givenergy have a tesla3 beater coming this winter or early spring! The All-in -one2
It is a brilliant product the new AIO.
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Interesting how they've overbuilt the system for the trough of power generation. That's what RethinkX has suggested the entire grid do with solar, wind, and batteries.
Usage 11 kWh per day? Hot days in Summer for me is 35kWh ish
Where do you live? 35kWh sounds like you're running A/C which is very uncommon in the UK. My 3 bedroom house in southern England runs at about 11kWh per day.
Have you heard of reflective insulation and awnings ?
Forget Solar in a British winter, when the average energy produced from say 8-10 panels on a dismal Dec-Feb day could give you as little as 5Kwh.
2 Powerwall 3's filled up with 27 Kwh of overnight 7p per Kwh electric, fed into a Heat Pump with a COP of 3-4.
A 20 year investment.
Do the Maths!
My aunt and uncle have had solar for about 12 years in South Wales which is very wet and rainy, and they have generated thousands of kwh's per year, they broke even many years ago.
It's not just about money!
11 kWh per day in an average household?
If you live in a multistore apartment complex I can believe that, but no way for a standalone household. Even in the summer months (Scandinavia) in a small apartment with a FTX heatpump I would be around double that amount.
yes, my year round averge is 26kWh/day with peak in Winter of around 40-45kwh/day [Dunedin]; so just kept adding panels and batteries to bring the system up to maximize no grid
@@Leopold5100 The problem you'll have is solar production is poor in the winter, so to power your home and heatpump with panels and battery requires a system that's way too big in the summer. If you lived somewhere warmer, then it's summer cooling you need (I'm sure you'll use your heatpump for AC a few times in summer on warm NW days), solar and AC go together much better.
£7,800 seems really high, even with the discount. Worth shopping about a bit
Yep and too expensive in OZ too, even though we have more sunshine
Agreed. I reckon the cost of owning it is 17 pence per kwh over a 15 year life, so you would struggle to get your money back at current import/export differentials. Currently only a green play.
It includes a 10kw inverter..
@@Zarphag £7,800, with the discount, is high compared to other installers. I've seen it going for £7,600. Joju seem to be selling it as standard for £8,100.
@@JasmineDulcie idk not in the UK so that price isnt really relevant to me
Your facts are wrong Giv Energy also do a 13.5 kwh all in one
I have a Powerwall 2. This model will be discontinued with the introduction of the Powerwall 3. The Powerwall 3 does not integrate with a Powerwall 2. If I want to increase my capacity in the future I either have to buy a Powerwall 2 now or scrap the Powerwall 2 and the inverter I have and replace with 2 Powerwall 3’s. The same thing happened with the Powerwall 1. Tesla seem to have little concern for their existing customers. Buyer beware
I seem to hear the 'If you have a power cut' argument a lot in regard to home batteries. The last power cut I remember was in the 1970s.
Tbh, it is usually only ever discussed as a side-benefit.
Most battery storage discussions focus on the ability to a) utilise a higher proportion of your solar generation, b) get better access to the benefits of off-peak energy tariffs.
No doubt, being able to function off-grid is a nice bonus, but it definitely isn't used as a selling/talking point by those that actually have battery storage systems in place.
The real benefit is running life between zero cost or in winter at the off peak rate all day. I agree that power cuts aren't much of a thing. We got a Powerwall 2 5 years ago and it's saving us a fortune and paid for itself.
@@DarrellMinards Really??? In 5 years? Could you provide some math about it? How many kWh you pumped in and used - and what is the delta between tariffs?
@@денисбаженов-щ1б I keep a spreadsheet to track it all - we're 100% electric so thats heating via a heat pump for water and house, plus cooking, lighting and a car. We use about 5MwH per year before the car and about 6 now. We charge the battery up overnight to fill the 13kwh battery and then run the heating etc through the day at 7p per unit vs the 35p we would have paid daily. Today its down to 28p. Essentially we save on average £2.60 today and it was up to about £4 per day this way. The prices were £5500 back in 2019 so payback maybe longer for some depending on your utility rates and off peak rates. Our total monthly bill is £40 including the car doing 8k miles pa...thats mostly the standing charge and any excess over the battery capacity in the thick of winter. Hope that helps.
@@DarrellMinards Thank you, data provided are very interesting. I believe your battery paid for itself, as you are very serious in your approach to the matter.
Few questions , if I may:
1) what about battery health? how it's measured - as % of nominal capacity?
2) you've used about 25 MWh in 5 years, but I can't guess how much was cycled via the battery. You can have a lot of consumption at night, at lower tariff.
3) what pattern was used, in simple words, how you were charging the battery at night - on average? To 100%, 80% or - ?
In fact, you made - as a customer - a real contribution to the progress in this field, as we still don't have a lot of people understanding this technology.
Along with EV, you are in the first 5-10% of consumers - true pioneers.
In fact, even your neighbors benefit from it - not having another ICE car with its emissions.
I have learnt something new in the video - Imogen is 5'4.5" in old money!
TPW3 is an impressive piece of kit but the GivEnergy 13.5Kw all in one is £2k cheaper. Is the TPW3 worth the extra £2k per TPW3 (I am guessing that there is a discount for installing 2 or more so it might be £3-3.5k for 2 TPW3 installation)
The PW3 can provide much higher peak and continuous output as mentioned in the vid which would explain price differences. Apparently you'll be able to bolt on a second cheaper PW3 without an inverter if you only need the storage capacity.
And, yes, Imogen is indeed an impressive piece of kit. Oh, wait, sorry, I misread your comment.
@@spiritusinfinitus outside of countries that need aircon, what level of continuous power should we actually need though. UK needs might, and probably are, very different to US needs, if we take a typical UK house use of 11 kw per day add in a heat pump and a bit of spare capacity, do we really need continuous power output of 10 KwH or would 6-7 be perfectly adequate? [for clarity I do not know the answer, this is a genuine question]
@@justinstephenson9360 Take gas out of the equation and use electricity for heating and hot water and you can easily blast through 11 kW per day. I used to live in a flat that was way more than that. If you have a couple of electric showers and instant undersink heaters (and assume no room to fit a hot water tank inside) I think most people vastly underestimate their actual peak usage when specifying these systems and many end up disappointed, but more often than not won't say that because of the cognitive dissonance caused by spending tens of thousands of pounds on a system!
@@spiritusinfinitus And that is why I asked what do we need if we take 11 Kw (which is across an entire day not 11 KwH) as the normal usage then ADD in something for a heat pump as the heating and hot water and then a margin for error do we need 11 KwH continuous usage or would 6 KwH continuous usage be sufficient take into account potential peaks for example when someone puts the kettle on!
Thanks for a wonderful informative video and great specifications now for the third version of the Tesla Powerwall - except for 130 Kg weight and the price of needing two of them and the gateway/transfer switch installation fees to get any off-grid capacity and no compatibility with the previous versions of the Powerwall. It is also a pity that previous Tesla Powerwall version look so bad relatively now and that the price of the complete installation was too high to be mentioned in this video and that also excludes the additional solar PV installation cost.
I love Tesla, I love Elon Musk but they took a long time to learn about the advantages of Lithium Iron Phosphate cells and these prices are much higher than a simple 48 V self-build battery (less than BP 3000). I suggest that people needing power when the grid goes down might be better off focusing on just a subset of loads with no power peaks to isolate onto a separate consumer unit.
2:40 Givenergy all in one is 13.5 kwh too
Exactly my first "huh" in this video as I'm currently looking at the givenergy set up. My second huh was the amount of electricity this guy needs and wants to be off grid in the city centre. Each to their own, but seems like an extra cost when you get cheap night tariffs.
Several other details weren't quite right either, powerwall 2 was same size energy storage for example. They made it sound like this was more 🤷 @@colinwiseman
If you have a ground source heat pump you need at least 50kwh to be useful.
@@colinwiseman Yeah new Hybrid AIO looks wicked
Absolutely not, a SCOP of 4 would mean that's 200kwh of heat a daye- very large or leaky house@@rogerphelps9939
the best battery solution is that is installed in the DC side without Ac/dc conversion.
Unless have PV on an old FiT. You don't want to mess with that!
With batteries at £100/kw, thats a serious markup. Theres alway BYO
Absolutely. Actually the battery price is now around $50 per kwh so Tesla are racketeering on their name.
Doesn't have a generator input like most other battery systems.
I currently have 30kw of battery and 3-phase supply. Does this mean I need 3 Powerwall 3's?
Why are these last Imogen videos not disclosed as the ads which they obviously are?
All products on the market are covered equally over time.
My next EV will have to be able to do V2H
In places like Switzerland with a 3 phase grid tesla powerwalls are a bad solution. And they are a mess to install but they look nice...
Function trumps looking nice every time in my book.
So in Switzerland ALL - or most - households have 3 phases? How much power allocated per each - in kWh?
@@денисбаженов-щ1б yes almost all houses have a 3 phase grid. Standard houses have 25A apartments have 20A. If you have a heat pump it's more. It's hard to say in kWh since that's power over time.
@@JonasHenn Sorry, I meant kW. But from the current - 20-25A - i found ~13-15 kW from a formula.
15 kW per house is kind of norm in different countries, for new houses.
What's interesting here, is the EV charging. While 7 kW will work for most, 11 kW is close to the maximum, and 22 kW will not work (or not fully?) even in Helvetia and many other places with new grid.
I imagine 2 EVs per family with two 22 kW chargers - PLUS AC and appliances. Then it must be 100A 3-phase (I'm not an electrician, so might be wrong).
How a Swiss ihabitant can get 100A for his house?
2nd question:
I've seen radiation - NBC - shelters in Graubunden years ago. Is it possible to put home battery - Li-ion, NMC/LFP - there?
Or some rules forbid it? Because battery would be well protected there.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б well if you want you can order more power as an example a friend has a small house but a 63A connection. On the other hand it's mostly cheaper to use a sort of power management, if you have enough time to charge your EV it's no problem.
To your second question sure that would be possible but what for? There are rules about fire security with lithium ion batteries but beside that I don't know a reason why it shouldn't be allowed.
No, the best battery is the 100kWh DIY LiFePO4 pack powering my off-grid house.
Fully agree. A battery is just a battery and not so difficult to scale up and install.
So no one wants to give the payback period. Here's a rough estimate. My panels only generate a small amount compared to what I use, so the saving would be from charging at the night rate and emptying at the day rate. My day rate 25p, night 7p. So if I fully charge and discharge I will be saving 13.5 kWh x (25-7) = £2.43 per day or £886 per annum. If the toatal cost including install was £10k then it would take 11 years to pay back. Not a brilliant rate of return on investment yet but the batteries will come down in future I am sure.
How much does a full system like that, solar panels, 2 batteries etc currently cost including installation.
With 2x Powerwall 3 batteries and a relatively large solar system, you’re looking at a minimum of £18k from a reputable installer.
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@@spiritenergy_uk What would the pay back time be on it all.
When does it produce less carbon?
11kWh per day for a household sounds quite high for the UK. Perhaps with a heat pump and EV charging on top, yes.
But maybe ditch the tumble dryer for wind and or a dehumidifier.
My average is 13kWh a day, with family, my baseload is 5kWh a day. So not far-fetched.
@@hmsq82😮 family of 4, we are at 6kWh a day average. Including a Hyundai Ioniq charging
It sounded like he was running an engineering company from home. That would include loads like powerful PC and servers
@@MatthewBayard yes, could be. 👌🏻
400 W continuous, doesn't sound that high. Unless all the heating and cooking is with gas...
Not talking about cost......
This is only for those with a very nice bank account.
And they should do it.
But how to you get rid of that Musky odor?
Why, are you wanting to silence him, take it you are one of the people who want to silence anyone who disagrees with your view point which ironically would make you the fascist/right wing extremist, who presumably as a left winger is the thing you abhor. Odd that, you become so left wing that you turn full circle. Everybody must be controlled, everyone must agree with me or else, everyone must be controlled by government. Suggest you read Animal Farm
PW3 doesn't have 3phase support > not for my house
Hopefully the three phase version is coming late next year! We’ve had a lot of enquiries about it.
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How can Tesla build the best powerwall when they don't use their own battery cells in them?
They need their own batteries for their vehicles.
@@evilutionltdthey also use CATL in some of their cars
@@colinwiseman Which is ultimately problematic to sustain their future
Tesla don'y use their own batteries in anything. They just commission the likes of Panasonic and CATL to make them.
The cells are only part of the Powerwall, it's the battery management system electronics and software that can make a big difference along with the VPP option (Virtual Power Plant) that Tesla often offers.
I have two Powerwalls, but I'd strongly suggest that consumers shop for other battery backup solutions.
Why?
Givenergy is about the same price and size
@@nickbowers Maybe Elon :P
@@nickbowersa user practically has no control over any important parameter of the bms. The default settings may not be right for you.
Does anyone manufacture a system that uses Sodium-ion batteries?
The fact that Sodium-ion batteries are much heavier than Lithium-ion really doesn't matter for stationary storage, and the materials are cheaper.
Their voltage range do not match current inverters of 48v. You’ll not be able to charge them all the way, over time the drift will cause issues. This would require inverters to increase their voltage range, or the industry needs to come out with 60v inverter and panel. The solar industry however decided to increase amps rather than volts, I doubt sodium batteries will catch on for homes in current configuration.
@@asderven That's absolute nonsense, if you need a battery to have a particular voltage then you can design that into the battery whilst designing the battery you're going to build, regardless of whether it's a sodium-oin battery or a lithium-oin battery.
@@matthewbaynham6286 I didn’t get my point across. Sodium batteries are 2v to 4v per cell, with a nominal 3.1v. Let’s assume you need 16 cells to make a nominal 48v battery. Max voltage = 16 x 4 = 64v. Minimum voltage = 2v x 16 = 32v.
The inverter presently works between 42v and 60v.
When the inverter sees the battery is 60v, it will stop charging. If the battery hits 42v it will stop discharging.
Does that make better sense about how components are mismatched?
Solar panels shifted from 12A to 14A~18A about three years ago, most hybrid inverter companies have not revamped their models until now. 2025 march is the next hope, but if the don’t, they won’t.
Compared to that, sodium lithium batteries are even less of a concern for them. That is why at present it is hard to make them work.
Bms can be tweaked, but this would only happen in the diy space. No company would issue settings for a sodium battery until they are sure. Expect a minimum of 4-8 years before sodium lithium cells catch on. By that point, the battery technology should have fundamentally started to change, negating the use of sodium batteries.
All that dc to ac and back seems such a waste. Like if dc comes from solar and then ends up also a dc in Tv , computer or led bulbs.
Tesla batteries are ridiculously overpriced. The price seems to be well above £500 per kwh but batteries are now around $50 per kwh. Even allowing for the interface electronics Tesla is laughing all the way to the bank. I have a Skoda Enyaq with an 80kwh battery. The basic price of these is around £40k so that is £500 per kwh with a car thrown in. It does not have V2L or V2G but very soon any EV worth its salt will have V2L or V2G as standard and in order to commpete Tesla will have to cut its prices drastically or exit the market.
True! Model 3/Y inverter for over 300 kW COST was estimated at about 750 USD.
So, using 50-70 kWh EV costs, 30 kWh home battery should be rather 200 pounds per kWh or so.
The skoda will be losing money, guaranteed.
@@philipashton6657 So will the Tesla battery. So will all EVs. So will all ICE cars. Your point? I really don't care because I bought new and will be using it until it falls apart which will be a lot longer than for most ICE cars.
My point is that it is not a sustainable business model. What are you going to do for spare parts when they eventually shelve their money losing strategy? Tesla vehicles actually do make a profit, and it is largely due to their manufacturing techniques. Ok, they are expensive at the moment, but they are across the board value for what you are paying. There is a reason that the model y is the best selling car in the world.... EVs are bringing about the demise of the old way of doing vehicle business. Service and spare parts were the vast majority of a car companies profits. They push hybrids on us for this fact alone.....
Old auto needs to change its mind set, or they will go out of business. It is an expensive transition. Capitalism dictates they need to make a profit, or lose stock market value and likely go out of business. Catch 22....
It's definitely for people who don't do DIY.
THANKS IMOGEN🤗 for sharing the latest from TESLA🔋🔋🔋
Solid state batteries for domestic use is going to be the big game changer in a few years time, I think I'll hold out until then.
Why? Power density and weight aren't particularly important for static storage. Price and longevity are.
I'd have been all over this but seeing that my money would be going to a man who sees fit to jump and dance around on stage with Trump is just a no go now.
I like the idea of the Powerwall, but not as long as Tesla's current CEO is in charge.
Ridiculous
The Powerwall is a great, great battery that very few homeowners can afford. Powerwalls are ok for the richest 1 or 5%. But their excessive price, over $1,000 US per kWh installed, is actually hurting the climate because it is inhibiting the wider adoption of green energy. To go all electric and to free homeowners from corrupt electricity cartels (many are pretty horrid), the average home will need 20-50 kWh of storage. Bill Gates can afford that.
Next, a fully electric house will need 2 or 3 or 4 Powerwalls or their equivalent to stay energy independent with a fully electric home.
Again, I would love to have a few Powerwalls. But given rising prices for everything, having enough home battery storage to have an all electric hime is currently a pipe dream for 90 plus percent of homeowners.
No one wants to point out the obvious about the temperature range being misleading? -20°C is for discharging. If the battery is at that temperature, you’ll have to wait until the battery hit 0°C or higher, not the ambient temperature being 0°C. Charging minimum and maximum temperature as well discharging minimum and maximum temperature are different. Different temperature range also cause different degradation of the battery. All of this is critical information for European consumers, knowing Tesla, you won’t be able to change any of these parameters. Building a diy is still cheaper and far more versatile than getting this.
Are there any similar products not associated with Elon Musk?
Givenergy same price same size same function.
Of course therer are. cheaper and better but still doomed when V2G and V2L becomes common.
There are over 140,000 Tesla employees, about 90% are Democrats.
@@Lewis_StandingTesla is miles better then Giv AIO
@@beachcrow so... Elon is really a nasty plutocrate?
I can imagine a lot of key people living Tesla - to join other companies. Same with space - a lot of startups in space exist.
If only Elon Musk wasn't the CEO of Tesla, I'd be thinking about buying one.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA , I'm not going to buy anything made in china because of president Xi Jinping 🫡
Now multiply that way of thinking for everything you buy…good luck living a happy life
@@gerardhaus8150 I do and I'm very happy. I sleep well with a clear conscience.
Do you buy anything from China? Do you use any oil based products from the Middle East?
I personally wont give Musk my money. A terrible Trump supporting extremist.
Enphase is a veey good alternative.
Tesla powerwall 3, not available for use in Northern Ireland or for off grid applications. Cheers Elon, thanks for nothing.
I can't believe the Elon Derangement Syndrome in the comments.
Perhaps you lead a sheltered life?
Bit like TDS, totally unfounded, as long as you don't care about democratic norms.
The Tesla brand is forever tainted by the antics of a certain Mr.Musk imo. I used to aspire to Tesla products but find that my personal ethics will not let me buy them even though I can now afford them.
How are they tainted and what antics? Supporting free speech, reduces government control of our lives and belief in personal freedom? Or do you want your life micromanaged by government and to be told what you can say and think?
What a shame it’s made by Tesla. If they could just dump “Leon”, more people might want these things.
Agreed, love their tech but don't want to fund MAGA's Elon.
Agreed. Supporting Tesla at this point leaves a bitter taste.
Such a worn out sentiment.
I totally understand this sentiment. I'm even a Tesla shareholder. But I look at it this way - the Tesla mission is still a great thing. Therefore, one ought to try to set aside one's personal opinion of Elon Musk, if possible. And Tesla is definitely paying a high price for his unacceptability to a significant number of people. There are alternatives. It's kind of up to the consumer.
And I feel betrayed by Musk too, as I know a huge number of people do.
Hmm I don’t really understand this hating on Elon. I mean love him or hate him, the fact is he has brought electric cars, the infrastructure and world class home battery storage forward 20 years… he’s made everyone raise their game…
There's not a chance in hell I'd have anything with the word Tesla written on it in my home. Might as well have "MAGA" spray-painted on the outside wall.
I’m voting blue but I’m buying the power wall 3. This will all be over soon Once they DJT loses this will will be gone.
@@robertrodriguez3614 but Musk will be here forever, frozen in his chryogenic chamber
Why, are you so defined by the product that you buy? Do you have anything Chinese in your house? Might as well spray I agree with forced labour interment camps for those that do not agree my political ethos.
I dont agree with everything Musk says or does, but that is his free choice but his companies make great products, and separating the two is quite simple. Do you think everyone that works for him shares his views? Everyone in teh CHinese plant? YOu know where they would end up if they did. So buy a Tesla and support them.
@@landcruiser801 I can't avoid Chinese made goods. But I can avoid products made by Tesla. Musk has gone too far for me.
@@decimal1815 Fair enough
I don't want to support a company that is led by a person who openly does not care about people.👎
Tesla is over, for me at least. Not even for free, I have values. Without ethics, humans have no place in this planet. Look into Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD US, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
Not just a unpleasant person, but more accounts quite a narcissist and a Putin lover
There are other brands, such as Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
Tesla can be OK, but its more-than-weird and not-very-nice CEO should be replaced ASAP.
If. It wasn’t for ELON , we wouldn’t have TESLA AND SPACE X as a world leading company.
He is no longer much of an asset.
@@rogerphelps9939 . Still one the world’s richest men, he must be doing something right.
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Are you implying Elon did all the work himself?
@@t1n4444 . No he is a great technology and engineering leader . And at $269 billion dollar net worth,he is the richest man in the world . Sorry you can’t see the BIG PICTURE.
downvote for tesla. there are other options!
What difference does Musk's politics make? Its the quality and efficiency of the products that count. Stop being so childish. Other company's CEO's are even worse in some cases!!
This, most CEOs are pretty despicable especially energy companies
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Because some people might decide Elon is rather too close to Trump for a lot of people to stomach.
You should consider that some people might well possess principles you don't.
Given the recent court cases we have seen featuring Trump in a starting role recently, not to mention the cases yet to be heard might well have something to do with people being concerned.
It occurs to me too that Elon might well be considering running for office in four years and is only too happy to have Trump as his "mentor'.
Who can say?
Wasn’t he born in South Africa?
Aye but if you know what he stands for, and you are an ethical consumer you may wish to give someone else your money.
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Then that is excellent news!
but do you need to know. diy.
Sigen home batter6 is the best product right now. Not the Tesla wall.
Without Elon the world would be missing out on technology. Tesla, Space X, Starlink are just the start!
...and tons of misinformation
You know it's time to unsubscribe when a channel starts hawking garbage from the most disingenuous traitor-sympathizing oligarch on the planet
You know it's time. Not me.
There are other brands, such as Panasonic Evervolt residential batteries. There's also a line of residential batteries from BYD, but I'm not sure they are already selling it. Look also into Sonnen, LG Chem, and Duracell.
musk an Oligarch? ROFL🤣
Great product I am installing next summer and amazing legs by Imogen 😉