This is genuine enthusiasm for a great British company, with a great new product, trying to manufacture local as much as possible, we should be shouting loud about it. There are lots of channels about promising new tech, but they’re frustrating because so few come to market. Nice to see something real.
Really enjoyed the second half of the video, the factory tour. It's really nice to see manufacturing down to the PCB level in the UK. I have had a Zappi for over 2yrs and used regularly for the last 1.75yrs, and so far, it hasn't let me down, working well with my Intelligent Go tarrif. Keep up the great work.
I realise that this episode is promoting MyEnergy but I’ve been following their growth and it’s great to see more information about their success. Thank you 👏👏
….so have we, but I also have huge battery sitting on 4 wheels in my garage that Myenergi can’t help me use to power my home in a power cut or sell stored energy back to the grid. When is that capability going to happen ?
Fantastic view of a product being made in the UK. The quality standards stand up with the zappi I have e installed at my home for the last 3 or so years. I now have eddi and other myenergi products in my house all working together along with my solar panels.
Fab video. Great to see manufacturing in the UK. This is what the government needs to be promoting & investing in. They also need to give incentives for home owners to invest in these solutions.
This is the reason I haven't decarbonised yet: I want a heat pump because my boiler broke. The only place I can install it without planning permission is in my back garden in prime real estate. To do planning permission I have to pay someone over £1000 (maybe up to £2500) to do the drawings for me, or work out what's needed and how to do them myself risking rejection because I didn't do it right. The council want £360 to answer one email or have one phone call about the proposed planning permission. Then it'll be about 8 weeks until I get a verdict. The LPA prioritise aesthetics over all other factors where given the latitude to do so. Given how close most of UK housing is to each other, the MCS 020 limits placement to potentially impossible/ only in really inefficient places. The ruling is completely insane, because the neighbours opinion doesn't matter. They can love it or hate it and the council follows the MCS 020 because "what about future owners?": They can choose not to buy it if they don't want to. That doesn't seem fair because that would reduce the house price though, right? Sure, but if I live 100m from another house I can put it under my bedroom window no worries even though that would be WAY louder than 4m from a neighbours window. They also always only use the loudest number on the spec sheet. Even if 99.999% of the time it would be half as loud as that, or may even NEVER get that loud in operation due to the design of the system. Then the gov offers £7500 off the £15000 cost to install. About £7000 of that being the materials. Two people fitting? Four days? That's a hair less than £1000 per person per day rate. Definitely north of £500 a day. Underfloor heating? £750 in parts, £2000 in labour. For two people over two days. £500 day rate. Over half the cost of decarbonising is a cash grab by trades people. THAT is where we can make HUGE leaps and bounds if we set up a company to do these tasks at a more reasonable rate. Otherwise I should re-train: I'd love to earn £125k - £250k pre tax.
That’s incredibly sad for you. In my experience a heat pump is virtually silent outside, but in the house there is a hum from the primary and secondary circulation pumps, so acoustic insulation is essential if installed inside the house.
No need to pay 1000 to have the drawings done. Just measure up and you can do your own on A4 paper if you can use a pencil and ruler. My quote for a 3 bed house was 8800 or 1300 after the grant. After the survey there was no additional costs. Get some online quotes for a more realistic idea. Underfloor is not needed on a retrofit, just use the exusting circuit with probably some radiator upgrades.
I’m curious to know if you have been or are self employed? It sounds to me as though you don’t know how much it costs to run your own business. You make it sound like trades are taking home that much money. After training costs, insurances, van, tools, holiday, pension, unpaid sick days, the list goes on… your not paying for a cheap item that is manufactured in bulk, you are paying for (if you of course choose wisely) a highly skilled dedicated professional. If it’s so cheap and easy to run your own company and you think you would be better off, why don’t you re train?
@@MrAdamtheplumber I think you missed my point. I'm not talking about all trades or all plumbers. Most charge very reasonable fees for standard stuff. But for UFH and ASHP the quotes I've had have been an absolute joke, and asking around they sound par for the course. Worst bit is I ended up paying a highly recommended and highly reviewed company to do the UFH and they charged £500 per person per day and the quality of the job was terrible. They didn't know the basics of what they were doing. I 100% certainly would have gotten a better job if I'd done it myself. Sadly I'm legally not allowed to install a hot water cylinder myself apparently because it's a pressure vessel, and can't get the £7500 voucher for the ASHP if I self install, so it cost the same to pay someone else to do it. Also I only have so much holiday and I can't spend it all working or I'll burn out. I did "pre-tax", but you're right- I factored in the average 252 Working days in a year, but didn't factor in unpaid sick days (~6 average per person per year UK), and I didn't check and realise that doesn't include holiday either (25 days), pension is apparently 8%, Insurance being public liability and self employed for ~£200 a year? I'm not sure how fair it is to put your transport running costs before take home income as people who drive to work don't do that, but lets say it is, then that's ~£4k per year. Tools average £600 a year. What repeat certification/training do you need to get? CCN1 once every 5 years for £640, so £128 a year? So far I've got an average of 220 days worked per year at £500-£1000 a day is £110k to £220k gross income. Then fixed costs of ~£5000 a year, 8% for pension, take home after all costs looks something like ~£65k off of £110k gross, upto £120k of £220k gross... I might be out by a bit, but I don't see enough to make that less in your bank account than most other people earn per-tax. Average set-up costs for a Plumber are just under £10k, as a one off, not every year. Knock another £10k off for that and you're still way over UK average. Remember, this is after their materials costs which for ASHP is tax free and they charge 30% sourcing fee on top of. Average cost to hire a plumber UK 2024 is £31 to £54 an hour. 8 hour days, 220 days a year is £54560 to £95040, net. Lets say it costs the full set up costs every single year and including pension that's £40995 to £78236 pre tax. Take home £30811 to £53820 a year. There's nothing wrong with that. UK average take home is £27573, or £34632 gross so that's more than average. I'm apparently missing over 50% of the costs or >£30k worth. Meanwhile average plumber UK day rate is £250- £450, and I'm getting quoted £500-£1000... Is £500-£1000 per day a fair rate then? and how much does that result in take home pay? I actually am considering retraining because the quality of work by the highly rated trades people I've hired hasn't been as good as I can do, and by my maths they can earn a heck of a lot more than me.
02:45 Surely this is the problem that really needs to be solved; different manufactures products *should* work seamlessly together and *should* provide the same (or at least an extremely similar) level of optimisation of power generation and supply. Do that and there's real competition in the marketplace so lower prices will follow. The problem is that each manufacturer is essentially a walled garden, hence the high cost.
I believe that they do. There is a standard they are working to, which I great for those of us who want to do clever things with home automation. If the phone is home and the car is plugged in then start charging when the front door opens.
@@chriswatt2702 I have some "smart" products in my house, and no they do not get along in any useful way. I intentionally bought a smart thermostat that was compatible with the pre-existing wifi connected heat-pump's walled garden and guess what? The only thing that buys me is being able to read out current conditions and control my smart thermostat as if it is a dumb mercury switch. He's right, they don't integrate well at all and instead of prioritizing integration the companies prioritize gimmick features like being able to set up the man-cave that does not exist in my house (because there's nowhere to put it) with voice-activated mood lighting-instead of doing useful things like teaching my oil-fired furnace to function as backup to my heat pump.
Hm... My kit is from a few different manufacturers (because nobody was making a complete system at the time) but it all plays together nicely. It's just a bit annoying that I have three apps rather than one, and I can't prevent the car charger from draining the house battery. It's a very small annoyance, not a deal breaker.
I mean, if it's paid advertising, it literally, by law, needs be announced as such. Much more likely, they're talking about a good business with a good product (you know, the whole premise of the show). What do you want them to do, not talk about the benefits and highlights?
I thought the same with the recent Heatable episode highlighting their new bi-facial panels with integrated micro inverter. Although it is a great product. I'm going to use them as the roof/ceiling on my car port.
I think MyEnergi is the channels' sponsor so technically hasn't paid for just this video!? Don't know how much say they have over other content from similar companies though?
The breakthrough would be financial terms that recognize that solar is a money generating asset vs a loan on a strictly depreciating asset like an ICE car. Otherwise it's the "we'll lend you money as long as you don't need it." If you only get approved if your credit rating/equity is good enough to qualify for a standard loan, then people can just diy for cheaper. System integration is getting much easier so this full package value is diminishing daily. For people without the credit score/equity that could qualify if they had 90 quid extra income per month (and 90 quid is saved by the system), they aren't typically leant money. This is the market that if addressed would make this revolutionary. This is done commercially on multimillion dollar solar farm projects, but hasn't trickled down to the consumer level.
A fascinating insight into the developments of the green energy industry, the fact that it was an advertorial is by the by... As the subsequent podcast explains, it is a difficult business world out there & Fully Charged Ltd need revenue just like any other business. Well done Team 👋👋👋
He's kind of right: The problem isn't technological. But it's not all up front cost either: Painting my roof white or using white roof tiles would increase bifacial PV output by maybe 30%? Also make my house less hot in summer. But I can't because the council don't like how it looks. We can't save the planet because the building aesthetic police subjectively don't like how the world would look when it's saved. Can't put a heat pump in my front garden 6m from the road because people on the upper of double decker busses might not like how it looks when they look over my hedge. But I can put it in my back garden and stare directly at it all summer. And out the window at it as I do the washing up/watch TV.
This looks great, im looking to refurb a house which doesn’t have a central heating system in place, this will be great for setting up a fully electric system
Up to 25 years with a 2.5% annual increase. It doesn't say on the website if that compounds. If it doesn't compound that would add up to £35,100. If it does compound that would be £36,890. Quite expensive for a system of that size. Ironically you'd also be paying much more for a system that is 25 years old at the end of the term than at the start. Would be good if they actually put some worked examples on the website. As it is quite difficult for a normal person to figure out the rate of interest when using this non-standard method. Thus making it harder to compare to just borrowing the money yourself.
I have 5.00kW of solar PV with an Eddi connected to the best hot water system (A Sunamp), this combination works extremely well. I would like the second output from the Eddi to go to a Dimplex Quantum Storage heater, unfortunately the Eddi outputs can only connect to a resistive load and the TRIAC electronic switch does not work with the Eddi. But great with the Sunamp.
Does it integrate with Home Assistant? Smart home stuff comes and goes, but Home Assistant has stuck around. I'm not interested in being tied into a specific companies app.
On the Myenergi webpage describing "Eddi", in the _About_ section is the sentence *_"Without a solar power generator, you have no control over where you want your self-generated power to go."_* which doesn't make sense to me.
They can't yet - there's a legal wrangle for CCS V2G that expires in 2025 (so I'm told). I would be replacing my standard Zappi for a V2G one as soon as I can
This sounds a lot like Sunsave. You pay a monthly fee for the solar panels and batteries, plus you're covered for the time of the loan by a warranty. They also replace the battery if it degrades.
my zappi is not updating the firmware. I did everything. app can't control the old version ... I'm really annoyed by this product but it was really good at the beginning. Now I'm going to switch to go-e
This is great. But impossible to gain the benefits without a smart charger. Ive been teying to her one for a year and a half despite living on a road assessed as high probability of connection. Please can you look onto this as smart meters aes by far the biggeat barrier in my experience.
The solar panels on the roof provide up to 50% of the electricity they use, but the roof is only partly covered in solar panels. I wonder why? Is it cost, or is there another reason?
I got a quote on the Myenegi website for a 10KW battery storage system...slightly under £8,000 Being optimistic: Say you save 10 KWHr (10 units) per day for 6 months (bearing in mind most days even in summer are cloudy in UK) 180 days x 10 units x 25p = £450 pa Roughly £8000 / 450 = 18 yrs payback That's if it lasts that long Better off getting a feed - in tariff if you already have solar panels. Deduct what you would have got from the feed in tariff and at this price as far as I can see it makes no sense economically 🤔
You would also need to factor in the cheap overnight top-up, for example as we head into winter and solar is not such a viable option. 25p/kwh - 7.5p/kwh (the night rate) = 18.5p/kwh saving = £330 saving, on top of your figures. So nearer a 10-year payback. I believe that this will be a LiFePo4 cell type, so yes it will last that long, no problem. My own system cost £6.5k for 9.5KWh usable, estimated payback time on that was actually nearer 6-7 years depending on how prices moved. I did very well, as I installed before the Ukraine war kicked off, so my payback will actually be nearer 5 years now. Prices are due to go up again about now. I did add a module on recently, the payback for that additional module is very much longer, as I was running out of capacity in winter but not by much. However, when I go for a heat pump I will add another 3 modules, taking me to 20KWh (18 KWh usable) and I should be paying 2.5p/KWh for most of my heating, which will be nice.
@@gordoncornwell Batteries alone simply don’t add up as a saving. You need the whole system to make a real saving. Solar with a battery to store and distribute energy, and an EV to access cheap overnight tariff, and one day sell back to grid or run your house. The EV is part of this energy system. Gives you cheap personal transport, low cost home energy and a possible income stream from export to the grid. Lowering the barrier to entering this market is essential. This a good start by MyEnergi but the car manufacturers need to step up too to make cheaper more capable EVs so this system adoption becomes truly compelling.
Rather than a household in Arbroath, buying 10 solar panels to put on their roof in Scotland, why don't they buy 10 panels to place on a large solar farm in Spain? Spain would allow them to generate much more power and the wholesale purchase of panels at the farm would give them a much better price on each. 1,000 people buy 10, 400 watt panels to give a 4 Mega watt farm. Sell the power in Spain and get their share of the income.
I wish the industry had started thinking about interopperability like this some time ago. I have over the years built from disparate components and the interopperability is non existent and very hard to retrofit without essentially changing all of the components
My EV charger, inverter, solar thermal and immersion heater don't communicate, so whenever I want to be "smart" about where the energy goes, I need to do it manually using 3 different apps.
OK if you are looking to maximise income but what about when EV charging fires up during the day to help the grid and ends up first draining the house battery if the inverter is not manually told to do otherwise, or when there is an hour worth of free surplus electricity when all systems need to change behaviour or turn on at once? These are the use cases I am talking about.
So if you want to move, don’t have the lump sum (that’s why you took the credit to start with), and potentially your new buyer laughs in your face (about taking over our credit agreement)…… What then?
Yes, but, you're presuming putative buyers won't make an offer. Or your solicitor advises against purchase. Would there be a legal charge on the property?
5:17 so £90 per month for 10 panels(say 4Kwh), and a 10Kwh battery. But NO mention of the timeframe! It's a 5 to 25 year finance plan. So 5 years x£90pcm is £5,400, and 25 years is £27,000! You need to tell us over how long this is for.....
Hmm their quality assurance doesn’t match up to a high rate of warranty claim that Artisan Electrics mentioned on a recent video, wonder if there are fundamental design issues or whether those warranty claims are just a byproduct of a start growing too quickly
Every company has warranty calls and we’d used artisan as a trusted partner. Not sure why he went online to say that when we’d done a deal with him to specifically do warranty call outs.
They also mentioned this was an new building and lots of new equipment. So it may be that quality was lower before, and they've invested to try and improve things?
Interesting but poor journalism. You allow the company to mention costs and repayments with no context. £90 p/m but for how many months....? Very simple to ask "what's the cash cost of system x" and then ask for a cost including the financing for a 5,10,15 and say 25 year plan. The company had told us nothing here save what they presumably feel is the best rate for advertising purposes and you have let them. Not the first time Fully Charged have done this. You know it annoys the audience and at best is lazy journalism. Please refine your interviewing for the next one.
Like all financial things it's all based on your circumstance, I agree the amount of years example should have been given but overall you need to see what it would be for yourself rather than their 'ideal' example
The clue was given by Imogen when she asked the question over 25 years for a basic system of 5kw solar array, 5kw Inverter, and 10kWh battery. Otherwise this guy might help you! th-cam.com/video/1WCufcOVTYg/w-d-xo.html But is always going to cost more if its spread over 25 years especially with a warranty for that length of time!! and its transferable!!
Seems clear to me. They said £90 got you 10 panels (average home) and 10kWh battery, of course they will give the cheapest £. They didn’t mention eddie or ev charger, so safe to assume not included, so also safe to assume payment over longest 25 years.
Someone just beat me to my comment - I thought maybe it was just me who was getting the feeling the channel + podcasts have largely become adverts. The USP of Everything Electric / Fully Charged Show was the technology. Yes, the organisation behind the technology was in there, but not so blatantly "buy this".
I was a bit disappointed that this company don’t give ANY indication of real full price either here or on their website (unless you’re prepared to hand all your personal details over first!). Bit worrying if you need 25 years to pay it off though…
Where is the home to grid connectivity or grid to home connectivity for the biggest energy store in the house….the electric car. As I understand it my Myenergi systems can’t be used as an UPS for your home in the case of a mains power cut…apparently it needs mains power to function as an UPS system !
Hey Tony, I can confirm heel straps were worn during filming, these were lightweight, disposable, antistatic heel grounders for all visitors and Emma is wearing specialist ESD steel toe caps.
Okay this episode is pretty much of an advertisement for a company with noble goals; fair enough. However, based on my personal experience as a myenergi customer in Australia, I’d have to say they need to spend a lot more time getting their sales, logistics and support operations sorted out because - at least here in Australia - they are hopeless. I’ve bought an Eddi and a 3-phase Zappi and due to the local arm of myenergi I (and probably my installer) want nothing to do with them again. Their app, at least as far as the Eddi is concerned needs a lot of work. The Eddi and the Zappi are probably good products, but I would *strongly* advise anyone thinking of buying a myenergi product to check carefully into the competence of their local myenergi operation before buying. If you are in Australia and looking at myenegi products my advice is; just don’t.
Basically an advert packaged as an info show - sad. Seems most of the recent videos have been exactly that - an advert. There should be an info box at the start of these vids saying what they are, you tube has a policy that states videos should contain a warning when there is a paid promo, this is really no different. many more of these and I will be unsubscribing!
You can say that for any interview with a manufacturer. It's good to know what they do and the products they have and how their manufacturing process.Can't see any problem with unless you are a competitor. You could have worked it out from the subject and no bothered to watch.
The advertorials are getting very wearing. Stop trying to sell us things and go back to just informing us about new tech. We get battered to death by adverts on TH-cam and the last thing we want is to watch a ten to fifteen minute advert. I don't want the marketing BS, I just want the information.
It literally says "includes paid promotion" at the start of the video (top left hand side) Andy! 😁 Personally, I don't have a problem with the advertisement part of the video, but the detail around the package at £90+ per month is sorely lacking....how many years, 8, 9 or 10 panels? Over how long, what interest rate etc etc...that part of the video is very bare of detail and potentially misleading...
First and foremost, the video was marked as including a paid promotion, even despite the likelihood of the "payment" in this case being only the access to film the factory and interview the employees. Then there's the fact that to see how the tech enabling the sustainable energy, you necessarily have to show off some brand, because everything is made by someone and I do think that it's good for this show to show us, its audience, not just the theory, statistics and graphs, but also examples of actual products, how they work and how they're made. If you're not interested in the full breadth of the content made by this channel, nobody is forcing you to watch the stuff you're not interested in, but if there's enough of the other viewers, interested in these topics, then there's no reason for the channel to stop making them. You neither own this channel, nor should it cater exclusively to your desires.
Their products are overpriced but you do get circuit boards manufactured in UK opposed to other makes using Chinese boards with a UK sticker and box . I like installing their units as you only have to fit once.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б the solar panel is not that complicated reference Oxford PV. If china stops production or political reasons like Russia then solar PV can be built in Europe.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б you need to think about simpler, they have access to the raw materials. It's why battery factories in the UK could never be actually competitive, you'd need to import all the raw material.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б it's not for batteries. Batteries whose entire purpose is to suck up subsidies by lowering externalised carbon emissions from power generation . 😂
12 panels 5KW battery 15 years finance at £107 a month. £19,260 quid. To put that into perspective a similar package from EON or BOXT would be around 12k and they let you pay interest free over 3 years. Bit of a rip off when you look into the numbers.
It's not just up front cost. When you amortise the cost of a heat pump, solar panels, and a battery, over it's design life. You have to invest a lot of money in insulation and emitters to make it save you ANY money at all, and the cost of those wipe out your savings. People don't realise that energy out of a solar charged battery isn't free. It can be 20p/kWh which might be more than you're currently paying... Unlikely to be less than you pay in future, but inflation factors in there too so in real terms it's not a clear cut financial benefit. The cheaper it is to heat your house, the harder it is to justify insulation that doesn't pay back for 20+ years.
Insulation is always the 1st step, it will save you money if you're on gas, wood fire, coal or heat pump. Energy out of a solar charged battery is 'free' you may have had to buy the equipment but you aren't having to pay anything for it afterwards so not sure where your 20p/kWh is coming from?
@@Stephen-Jones Many people don't want to invest in insulation because although it saves energy for the rest of the buildings life, many people don't intend to live there for more than 20 years, and the amount it costs vs the amount it saves over 20 years or less often doesn't cover the costs. I'd love to replace my old double glazing, but the maths just doesn't work out in it's favour. I'd make more money putting it in the FTSE100 (~7.5% per year, which means you need
@@Leo99929 Can tell you've put a lot of thought & maths into the above 👍. Another thing to also take into account is that the energy you use from generation/storage you're also not paying to get from the grid and that cost is likely to go up over time more than down (or if you charge your battery from the grid at off peak/free vs peak time and use later or even return to the grid for a profit). Ultimately you can always argue you could do X or Y to make/save money but thinks like solar & battery are not just about possible money savings over a period of time as well, if/when you sell the house the solar/battery/insulation will also add some value (or at the very least help to sell your property compared to the same without) so the live in for 20 years has an impact but it's not really that clear cut.
@@Stephen-Jones Yeah, I'm paying an average of 22.26 p/kWh right now. So I save 2.56 p/kWh vs taking from the grid. That's 76383 kWh to break even. With heating if I use 20 kWh per day, that's about 10.5 years to pay back. Yeah, energy prices shot up because of the war in Ukraine but seem to have stayed high due to corporate greed as they're making record profits. Weirdly the higher they make the prices, the easier the investment justification gets. I'd take it as no accident that it works out to just over 10 years. Prices will go up by inflation at least. About 3% per year. But that isn't actually making the fuel cost more, as you should be paid more to match. House value goes up by about 3% for a heat pump, apparently. Maybe double or triple that for Solar panels and a battery. Ultimately that alone can effectively convert the cost into a house value increase that you can't realise until you sell it. At least it's hedged against inflation. I'd love to do it. I'm looking into it. Sadly for me I might require a new roof before I can put solar panels up there, and that effectively doubles the panel cost and makes the business case even harder.
8 - 10 panels and 10kw of storage is....£90/m...you ignored the bit for how long or total cost. Is it worth the extra money for Myenergi products where you can get the same thing much cheaper hmmmm
Not convinced by this at all. It's a lot of money per month, over a long time. I get the no up-front cost is exciting, but you're going to end up spending a lot more money in total.
In the context of housing costs, £90 pcm isn't *that* much. I don't think he mentioned how long that was over, given that he was describing "their most popular product", I suspect that wasn't over the maximum 25 years. It's certainly a scheme I'm interested in, albeit for my next house not my current one.
I would like to like MyEnergi, but I don't trust them. My parents had a Zappi and Harvi installed with their Solar PV. The Harvi never worked and the installers replaced the Harvi with a Solar iBoost instead, so much more robust. Their Zappi broke, three times. MyEnergi's preferred engineer replaced it twice and literally gave up on the final instal. It still doesn't work right and Myenergi just don't care
The Myrnergi HQ has less than optimal PV panel placement on the roofs. They have designed in shadow over half the panels. And why don't they put PV panels over the carpark where bi-facial panels would work best with underside exposed? They would a also create a shelter for the vehicles. And why not put a windturbine on each corner of the site? Practice what you preach Myenergi! Also I can't see any EV chargers or air sourced heat pumps.
There what looks like 2 ASHP pumps out side the original building, see google maps street view. So I expect there some on the new building as well. Its a no brainer when it comes to running costs. But your right about the car park, and chargers are not visible. But I notice only one EV in the street view pics, so they could support their employees with help to buy or salary sacrifice, and start using their own chargers. The perfect test bed for further development I would of thought!!
@@richardbrice6535 There was obviously no planning problem there with the roof solar PV panels as they have them installed already, nor with creating car parking shelter with PV panels, and now with Labour no problem with on-shore wind turbines any more. The NIMBYs can no longer stop onshore with just a single objection as per David intellectually lightweight Cameron.
£90 a month over how many years? Is it 8 or 10 solar panels? What interest rate (if any) is charged on the install? What about bird proofing on the solar panels etc, etc....the devil is in the detail... 👿
@@chrisfox7460 Considering they're selling bespoke installations and pricing changes fairly rapidly in the renewables market, providing such detail would seem a bit counter to what they're trying to do.
@@GreenJimll I hear what you're saying, but then if that's the way it works, then why quote a price in the video at all, seeing as it could regularly change, that just leaves them open to unhappy potential customers...
Another shiny slick advert … I don’t object to the quality of production but when will you start to interrogate your climate friendly friends in the same way as you interrogate and rant about oil, gas and combustion products and producers. I want to be a fanboy but it’s hard when you don’t challenge your pals … I have a Zappi and it’s great but I’m not going to sell my GivEnergi battery to integrate a new MyEnergy battery without good reason …
You will own nothing but won't be happy when the company goes under and all your gear turns off like what happened with the EV charging company in the US recently.
Not used my Eddi since I bought it, the app is poor and didnt have basic agile features. Their battery was just some rebradged expensive nonsense. This offering will be extremely vulnerable to grid energy prices, basically skimming off of stupid energy infrastructure decisions and subsidies.
This is genuine enthusiasm for a great British company, with a great new product, trying to manufacture local as much as possible, we should be shouting loud about it. There are lots of channels about promising new tech, but they’re frustrating because so few come to market. Nice to see something real.
Really enjoyed the second half of the video, the factory tour. It's really nice to see manufacturing down to the PCB level in the UK. I have had a Zappi for over 2yrs and used regularly for the last 1.75yrs, and so far, it hasn't let me down, working well with my Intelligent Go tarrif. Keep up the great work.
But who designed and manufactured the manufacturing machines? The Chinese anyone?
So so so happy to see a payment plan option avalible! This is our barrier to entry!
I realise that this episode is promoting MyEnergy but I’ve been following their growth and it’s great to see more information about their success. Thank you 👏👏
Great to see a British company doing so well in this renewable energy field. 👍 We have Zappi, Eddi and Harvi at our house since 2019.
….so have we, but I also have huge battery sitting on 4 wheels in my garage that Myenergi can’t help me use to power my home in a power cut or sell stored energy back to the grid. When is that capability going to happen ?
Fantastic view of a product being made in the UK. The quality standards stand up with the zappi I have e installed at my home for the last 3 or so years. I now have eddi and other myenergi products in my house all working together along with my solar panels.
Great to see how MyEnergi have grown and fantastic to see the tour of the factory. Love my Zappi, Eddi and Harvi!
I REALLY ENJOY THE HOME TECH ENERGY SECTIONS!!! More please.
Good to see a UK company doing so well and creating high quality products.
Fab video. Great to see manufacturing in the UK. This is what the government needs to be promoting & investing in. They also need to give incentives for home owners to invest in these solutions.
I love factories - I can watch videos like this all day.
This is the reason I haven't decarbonised yet:
I want a heat pump because my boiler broke. The only place I can install it without planning permission is in my back garden in prime real estate. To do planning permission I have to pay someone over £1000 (maybe up to £2500) to do the drawings for me, or work out what's needed and how to do them myself risking rejection because I didn't do it right. The council want £360 to answer one email or have one phone call about the proposed planning permission. Then it'll be about 8 weeks until I get a verdict. The LPA prioritise aesthetics over all other factors where given the latitude to do so.
Given how close most of UK housing is to each other, the MCS 020 limits placement to potentially impossible/ only in really inefficient places. The ruling is completely insane, because the neighbours opinion doesn't matter. They can love it or hate it and the council follows the MCS 020 because "what about future owners?": They can choose not to buy it if they don't want to. That doesn't seem fair because that would reduce the house price though, right? Sure, but if I live 100m from another house I can put it under my bedroom window no worries even though that would be WAY louder than 4m from a neighbours window. They also always only use the loudest number on the spec sheet. Even if 99.999% of the time it would be half as loud as that, or may even NEVER get that loud in operation due to the design of the system.
Then the gov offers £7500 off the £15000 cost to install. About £7000 of that being the materials. Two people fitting? Four days? That's a hair less than £1000 per person per day rate. Definitely north of £500 a day.
Underfloor heating? £750 in parts, £2000 in labour. For two people over two days. £500 day rate.
Over half the cost of decarbonising is a cash grab by trades people. THAT is where we can make HUGE leaps and bounds if we set up a company to do these tasks at a more reasonable rate. Otherwise I should re-train: I'd love to earn £125k - £250k pre tax.
That’s incredibly sad for you. In my experience a heat pump is virtually silent outside, but in the house there is a hum from the primary and secondary circulation pumps, so acoustic insulation is essential if installed inside the house.
The most noise part of a ASHP is the compressor, and this can be indoor or out, just so you know!
No need to pay 1000 to have the drawings done. Just measure up and you can do your own on A4 paper if you can use a pencil and ruler.
My quote for a 3 bed house was 8800 or 1300 after the grant. After the survey there was no additional costs. Get some online quotes for a more realistic idea.
Underfloor is not needed on a retrofit, just use the exusting circuit with probably some radiator upgrades.
I’m curious to know if you have been or are self employed? It sounds to me as though you don’t know how much it costs to run your own business. You make it sound like trades are taking home that much money. After training costs, insurances, van, tools, holiday, pension, unpaid sick days, the list goes on… your not paying for a cheap item that is manufactured in bulk, you are paying for (if you of course choose wisely) a highly skilled dedicated professional. If it’s so cheap and easy to run your own company and you think you would be better off, why don’t you re train?
@@MrAdamtheplumber I think you missed my point. I'm not talking about all trades or all plumbers. Most charge very reasonable fees for standard stuff. But for UFH and ASHP the quotes I've had have been an absolute joke, and asking around they sound par for the course. Worst bit is I ended up paying a highly recommended and highly reviewed company to do the UFH and they charged £500 per person per day and the quality of the job was terrible. They didn't know the basics of what they were doing. I 100% certainly would have gotten a better job if I'd done it myself. Sadly I'm legally not allowed to install a hot water cylinder myself apparently because it's a pressure vessel, and can't get the £7500 voucher for the ASHP if I self install, so it cost the same to pay someone else to do it. Also I only have so much holiday and I can't spend it all working or I'll burn out.
I did "pre-tax", but you're right- I factored in the average 252 Working days in a year, but didn't factor in unpaid sick days (~6 average per person per year UK), and I didn't check and realise that doesn't include holiday either (25 days), pension is apparently 8%, Insurance being public liability and self employed for ~£200 a year? I'm not sure how fair it is to put your transport running costs before take home income as people who drive to work don't do that, but lets say it is, then that's ~£4k per year. Tools average £600 a year. What repeat certification/training do you need to get? CCN1 once every 5 years for £640, so £128 a year?
So far I've got an average of 220 days worked per year at £500-£1000 a day is £110k to £220k gross income. Then fixed costs of ~£5000 a year, 8% for pension, take home after all costs looks something like ~£65k off of £110k gross, upto £120k of £220k gross... I might be out by a bit, but I don't see enough to make that less in your bank account than most other people earn per-tax. Average set-up costs for a Plumber are just under £10k, as a one off, not every year. Knock another £10k off for that and you're still way over UK average. Remember, this is after their materials costs which for ASHP is tax free and they charge 30% sourcing fee on top of.
Average cost to hire a plumber UK 2024 is £31 to £54 an hour. 8 hour days, 220 days a year is £54560 to £95040, net. Lets say it costs the full set up costs every single year and including pension that's £40995 to £78236 pre tax. Take home £30811 to £53820 a year. There's nothing wrong with that. UK average take home is £27573, or £34632 gross so that's more than average.
I'm apparently missing over 50% of the costs or >£30k worth. Meanwhile average plumber UK day rate is £250- £450, and I'm getting quoted £500-£1000... Is £500-£1000 per day a fair rate then? and how much does that result in take home pay?
I actually am considering retraining because the quality of work by the highly rated trades people I've hired hasn't been as good as I can do, and by my maths they can earn a heck of a lot more than me.
02:45 Surely this is the problem that really needs to be solved; different manufactures products *should* work seamlessly together and *should* provide the same (or at least an extremely similar) level of optimisation of power generation and supply. Do that and there's real competition in the marketplace so lower prices will follow. The problem is that each manufacturer is essentially a walled garden, hence the high cost.
I believe that they do. There is a standard they are working to, which I great for those of us who want to do clever things with home automation.
If the phone is home and the car is plugged in then start charging when the front door opens.
@@chriswatt2702 I have some "smart" products in my house, and no they do not get along in any useful way. I intentionally bought a smart thermostat that was compatible with the pre-existing wifi connected heat-pump's walled garden and guess what? The only thing that buys me is being able to read out current conditions and control my smart thermostat as if it is a dumb mercury switch. He's right, they don't integrate well at all and instead of prioritizing integration the companies prioritize gimmick features like being able to set up the man-cave that does not exist in my house (because there's nowhere to put it) with voice-activated mood lighting-instead of doing useful things like teaching my oil-fired furnace to function as backup to my heat pump.
Hm... My kit is from a few different manufacturers (because nobody was making a complete system at the time) but it all plays together nicely. It's just a bit annoying that I have three apps rather than one, and I can't prevent the car charger from draining the house battery. It's a very small annoyance, not a deal breaker.
Very interesting, thanks! Love the factory setup and landscaping 😊
I remember at the beginning when Robert said he wouldn’t do paid for advertising, because he wanted to keep the channel unbiased.
I mean, if it's paid advertising, it literally, by law, needs be announced as such.
Much more likely, they're talking about a good business with a good product (you know, the whole premise of the show). What do you want them to do, not talk about the benefits and highlights?
I thought the same with the recent Heatable episode highlighting their new bi-facial panels with integrated micro inverter. Although it is a great product. I'm going to use them as the roof/ceiling on my car port.
You need to be able to talk about products on the market, and when the product is good it is maybe advertising
@@Sh3phrdThere’s a very clear sign at the start that says it’s a paid promotion.
I think MyEnergi is the channels' sponsor so technically hasn't paid for just this video!?
Don't know how much say they have over other content from similar companies though?
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.
The breakthrough would be financial terms that recognize that solar is a money generating asset vs a loan on a strictly depreciating asset like an ICE car. Otherwise it's the "we'll lend you money as long as you don't need it."
If you only get approved if your credit rating/equity is good enough to qualify for a standard loan, then people can just diy for cheaper. System integration is getting much easier so this full package value is diminishing daily.
For people without the credit score/equity that could qualify if they had 90 quid extra income per month (and 90 quid is saved by the system), they aren't typically leant money. This is the market that if addressed would make this revolutionary. This is done commercially on multimillion dollar solar farm projects, but hasn't trickled down to the consumer level.
A fascinating insight into the developments of the green energy industry, the fact that it was an advertorial is by the by... As the subsequent podcast explains, it is a difficult business world out there & Fully Charged Ltd need revenue just like any other business. Well done Team 👋👋👋
Great Insight. Not just shipped to the UK and rebranded. Built in GB
Thank you for this article.
Love this seeing electronics made in the u. K! . Just looks strange now as all made in the east.
And I was hoping for more information regarding their upcoming V2G offering.
Amazing video, ⚡️⚡️💚
🙋♂️THANKS IMOGEN FOR SHARING THIS 🔋🔋🔋
He's kind of right: The problem isn't technological. But it's not all up front cost either:
Painting my roof white or using white roof tiles would increase bifacial PV output by maybe 30%? Also make my house less hot in summer. But I can't because the council don't like how it looks.
We can't save the planet because the building aesthetic police subjectively don't like how the world would look when it's saved.
Can't put a heat pump in my front garden 6m from the road because people on the upper of double decker busses might not like how it looks when they look over my hedge. But I can put it in my back garden and stare directly at it all summer. And out the window at it as I do the washing up/watch TV.
Really enjoyed the factory tour :)
This looks great, im looking to refurb a house which doesn’t have a central heating system in place, this will be great for setting up a fully electric system
5:30 £90/month over how many years?
Forever 😂
Upto a maximum of 25 years, which provides a warranty for all components for that time period as well. It can be less though. Says it at around 3:30
Up to 25 years with a 2.5% annual increase. It doesn't say on the website if that compounds. If it doesn't compound that would add up to £35,100. If it does compound that would be £36,890. Quite expensive for a system of that size.
Ironically you'd also be paying much more for a system that is 25 years old at the end of the term than at the start.
Would be good if they actually put some worked examples on the website. As it is quite difficult for a normal person to figure out the rate of interest when using this non-standard method. Thus making it harder to compare to just borrowing the money yourself.
With my terrible credit rating I doubt I would be eligible, I wonder if there is provision for that, like there appears to be with car finance?
Excellent
I have 5.00kW of solar PV with an Eddi connected to the best hot water system (A Sunamp), this combination works extremely well. I would like the second output from the Eddi to go to a Dimplex Quantum Storage heater, unfortunately the Eddi outputs can only connect to a resistive load and the TRIAC electronic switch does not work with the Eddi. But great with the Sunamp.
Cool, more factory tour, please
Looks great, I wonder if they will allow only part of the eco system. I only really need a few libby batteries
@@ashmcconnell3868 going by the video, yeah
The simple answer is yes. I started with a Zappi and Harvi and added an Eddi 12 months later.
Money is holding me back. Dreaming of a battery solution for my solar panels. Perhaps one day
Well I'm wondering if they'll help to battery storage and maybe solar on my council flat in Sutton in Ashfield nottm
I need to find out
Does it integrate with Home Assistant? Smart home stuff comes and goes, but Home Assistant has stuck around. I'm not interested in being tied into a specific companies app.
There is an unofficial integration in the HACs
excellent
I'd like to know how much money I can save on my total energy bill. Are there any resources for this?
On the Myenergi webpage describing "Eddi", in the _About_ section is the sentence *_"Without a solar power generator, you have no control over where you want your self-generated power to go."_* which doesn't make sense to me.
Do they do a V2G enabled EV (bidirectional) charger?
Working on it :)
@@jordanbrompton4078Well, hurry up😂
They can't yet - there's a legal wrangle for CCS V2G that expires in 2025 (so I'm told). I would be replacing my standard Zappi for a V2G one as soon as I can
Does the home battery do backup power in case of blackouts?
Only a dedicated circuit as far as I know, not whole house.
This sounds a lot like Sunsave.
You pay a monthly fee for the solar panels and batteries, plus you're covered for the time of the loan by a warranty. They also replace the battery if it degrades.
my zappi is not updating the firmware. I did everything. app can't control the old version ... I'm really annoyed by this product but it was really good at the beginning. Now I'm going to switch to go-e
This is great. But impossible to gain the benefits without a smart charger. Ive been teying to her one for a year and a half despite living on a road assessed as high probability of connection.
Please can you look onto this as smart meters aes by far the biggeat barrier in my experience.
The solar panels on the roof provide up to 50% of the electricity they use, but the roof is only partly covered in solar panels. I wonder why? Is it cost, or is there another reason?
The thing stopping me is being able to work out who to use and compare the product systems and benefits between suppliers
Thanks
I got a quote on the Myenegi website for a 10KW battery storage system...slightly under £8,000
Being optimistic:
Say you save 10 KWHr (10 units) per day for 6 months
(bearing in mind most days even in summer are cloudy in UK)
180 days x 10 units x 25p = £450 pa
Roughly £8000 / 450 = 18 yrs payback
That's if it lasts that long
Better off getting a feed - in tariff if you already have solar panels.
Deduct what you would have got from the feed in tariff and at this price as far as I can see it makes no sense economically 🤔
You would also need to factor in the cheap overnight top-up, for example as we head into winter and solar is not such a viable option.
25p/kwh - 7.5p/kwh (the night rate) = 18.5p/kwh saving = £330 saving, on top of your figures. So nearer a 10-year payback.
I believe that this will be a LiFePo4 cell type, so yes it will last that long, no problem.
My own system cost £6.5k for 9.5KWh usable, estimated payback time on that was actually nearer 6-7 years depending on how prices moved. I did very well, as I installed before the Ukraine war kicked off, so my payback will actually be nearer 5 years now. Prices are due to go up again about now.
I did add a module on recently, the payback for that additional module is very much longer, as I was running out of capacity in winter but not by much. However, when I go for a heat pump I will add another 3 modules, taking me to 20KWh (18 KWh usable) and I should be paying 2.5p/KWh for most of my heating, which will be nice.
@@gordoncornwell Batteries alone simply don’t add up as a saving. You need the whole system to make a real saving.
Solar with a battery to store and distribute energy, and an EV to access cheap overnight tariff, and one day sell back to grid or run your house.
The EV is part of this energy system. Gives you cheap personal transport, low cost home energy and a possible income stream from export to the grid. Lowering the barrier to entering this market is essential. This a good start by MyEnergi but the car manufacturers need to step up too to make cheaper more capable EVs so this system adoption becomes truly compelling.
Rather than a household in Arbroath, buying 10 solar panels to put on their roof in Scotland, why don't they buy 10 panels to place on a large solar farm in Spain? Spain would allow them to generate much more power and the wholesale purchase of panels at the farm would give them a much better price on each. 1,000 people buy 10, 400 watt panels to give a 4 Mega watt farm. Sell the power in Spain and get their share of the income.
What’s holding me back? Mainly Octopus Energy dragging their feet giving me a smart meter.
I wish the industry had started thinking about interopperability like this some time ago. I have over the years built from disparate components and the interopperability is non existent and very hard to retrofit without essentially changing all of the components
Nonsense.
I'm not seeing which components would need an inter-operability standard?
My EV charger, inverter, solar thermal and immersion heater don't communicate, so whenever I want to be "smart" about where the energy goes, I need to do it manually using 3 different apps.
@@sylvainjamais904 you have completely forgotten the export rate. No need for smarts when using grid exportable power for immersion is pointless.
OK if you are looking to maximise income but what about when EV charging fires up during the day to help the grid and ends up first draining the house battery if the inverter is not manually told to do otherwise, or when there is an hour worth of free surplus electricity when all systems need to change behaviour or turn on at once? These are the use cases I am talking about.
Erm. It's in Immingham
One glaring omission for me… the interest rate of the finance. Their website already states a 2.5% annual subscription increase too.
£90 a month for 25 years or 5 years? This is an important point to make.
If those are all 400W panels, that's roughly 480kW of solar production
Yes, but, only on paper.
Slightly ingenuous comment at face value.
So if you want to move, don’t have the lump sum (that’s why you took the credit to start with), and potentially your new buyer laughs in your face (about taking over our credit agreement)……
What then?
You add the one-off payment to the price of your house.
People do the same thing to pay solicitor fees.
Yes, but, you're presuming putative buyers won't make an offer.
Or your solicitor advises against purchase.
Would there be a legal charge on the property?
Did think eddi made any sense at the moment with current export rates.
I currently use mine to charge overnight on IO. The thing is, tariffs change....
5:17 so £90 per month for 10 panels(say 4Kwh), and a 10Kwh battery. But NO mention of the timeframe!
It's a 5 to 25 year finance plan. So 5 years x£90pcm is £5,400, and 25 years is £27,000! You need to tell us over how long this is for.....
myenergi one price over 15years +£20k, my local installer price £9.5k.
This was just the outline price before remote survey, but seems a little high!
Hmm their quality assurance doesn’t match up to a high rate of warranty claim that Artisan Electrics mentioned on a recent video, wonder if there are fundamental design issues or whether those warranty claims are just a byproduct of a start growing too quickly
Every company has warranty calls and we’d used artisan as a trusted partner. Not sure why he went online to say that when we’d done a deal with him to specifically do warranty call outs.
They also mentioned this was an new building and lots of new equipment. So it may be that quality was lower before, and they've invested to try and improve things?
Great outfit , great hair, very pretty ...video was ok 😄
Interesting but poor journalism.
You allow the company to mention costs and repayments with no context.
£90 p/m but for how many months....?
Very simple to ask "what's the cash cost of system x" and then ask for a cost including the financing for a 5,10,15 and say 25 year plan.
The company had told us nothing here save what they presumably feel is the best rate for advertising purposes and you have let them.
Not the first time Fully Charged have done this. You know it annoys the audience and at best is lazy journalism.
Please refine your interviewing for the next one.
Like all financial things it's all based on your circumstance, I agree the amount of years example should have been given but overall you need to see what it would be for yourself rather than their 'ideal' example
The clue was given by Imogen when she asked the question over 25 years for a basic system of 5kw solar array, 5kw Inverter, and 10kWh battery. Otherwise this guy might help you! th-cam.com/video/1WCufcOVTYg/w-d-xo.html But is always going to cost more if its spread over 25 years especially with a warranty for that length of time!! and its transferable!!
if you want details, go and do some research on their website or call them up.
Seems clear to me. They said £90 got you 10 panels (average home) and 10kWh battery, of course they will give the cheapest £. They didn’t mention eddie or ev charger, so safe to assume not included, so also safe to assume payment over longest 25 years.
£90 per month over 5 years or 25 years ?
Maybe a thousand years?
I thought adverts had to be clear and obvious?
Someone just beat me to my comment - I thought maybe it was just me who was getting the feeling the channel + podcasts have largely become adverts. The USP of Everything Electric / Fully Charged Show was the technology. Yes, the organisation behind the technology was in there, but not so blatantly "buy this".
I was a bit disappointed that this company don’t give ANY indication of real full price either here or on their website (unless you’re prepared to hand all your personal details over first!). Bit worrying if you need 25 years to pay it off though…
This is great, But at 70 it just wouldn’t work for me.
Where is the home to grid connectivity or grid to home connectivity for the biggest energy store in the house….the electric car. As I understand it my Myenergi systems can’t be used as an UPS for your home in the case of a mains power cut…apparently it needs mains power to function as an UPS system !
Hmm ESD coat but no heel strap.
Hey Tony,
I can confirm heel straps were worn during filming, these were lightweight, disposable, antistatic heel grounders for all visitors and Emma is wearing specialist ESD steel toe caps.
One question, WHERE'S JACK?
There is no manual needs in this factory line.
Promoting debt for 25yr isn't good.
Yet again it's only available in England and Wales, just like many of the Octopus products.
Okay this episode is pretty much of an advertisement for a company with noble goals; fair enough. However, based on my personal experience as a myenergi customer in Australia, I’d have to say they need to spend a lot more time getting their sales, logistics and support operations sorted out because - at least here in Australia - they are hopeless. I’ve bought an Eddi and a 3-phase Zappi and due to the local arm of myenergi I (and probably my installer) want nothing to do with them again. Their app, at least as far as the Eddi is concerned needs a lot of work. The Eddi and the Zappi are probably good products, but I would *strongly* advise anyone thinking of buying a myenergi product to check carefully into the competence of their local myenergi operation before buying. If you are in Australia and looking at myenegi products my advice is; just don’t.
Basically an advert packaged as an info show - sad. Seems most of the recent videos have been exactly that - an advert. There should be an info box at the start of these vids saying what they are, you tube has a policy that states videos should contain a warning when there is a paid promo, this is really no different. many more of these and I will be unsubscribing!
You can say that for any interview with a manufacturer. It's good to know what they do and the products they have and how their manufacturing process.Can't see any problem with unless you are a competitor. You could have worked it out from the subject and no bothered to watch.
The advertorials are getting very wearing. Stop trying to sell us things and go back to just informing us about new tech. We get battered to death by adverts on TH-cam and the last thing we want is to watch a ten to fifteen minute advert. I don't want the marketing BS, I just want the information.
It literally says "includes paid promotion" at the start of the video (top left hand side) Andy! 😁
Personally, I don't have a problem with the advertisement part of the video, but the detail around the package at £90+ per month is sorely lacking....how many years, 8, 9 or 10 panels? Over how long, what interest rate etc etc...that part of the video is very bare of detail and potentially misleading...
First and foremost, the video was marked as including a paid promotion, even despite the likelihood of the "payment" in this case being only the access to film the factory and interview the employees.
Then there's the fact that to see how the tech enabling the sustainable energy, you necessarily have to show off some brand, because everything is made by someone and I do think that it's good for this show to show us, its audience, not just the theory, statistics and graphs, but also examples of actual products, how they work and how they're made.
If you're not interested in the full breadth of the content made by this channel, nobody is forcing you to watch the stuff you're not interested in, but if there's enough of the other viewers, interested in these topics, then there's no reason for the channel to stop making them. You neither own this channel, nor should it cater exclusively to your desires.
Yeah, unsubscribed now. Its the same type of advertising over last few videos.
Their products are overpriced but you do get circuit boards manufactured in UK opposed to other makes using Chinese boards with a UK sticker and box . I like installing their units as you only have to fit once.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б the solar panel is not that complicated reference Oxford PV. If china stops production or political reasons like Russia then solar PV can be built in Europe.
Crazy to in-house assembly but make such basic boards.
Yes good point batteries yes only one or two in Europe.And solar one factory in Austria I think Germany seems to assemble Chinese made cells.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б you need to think about simpler, they have access to the raw materials. It's why battery factories in the UK could never be actually competitive, you'd need to import all the raw material.
@@денисбаженов-щ1б it's not for batteries. Batteries whose entire purpose is to suck up subsidies by lowering externalised carbon emissions from power generation . 😂
12 panels
5KW battery
15 years finance at £107 a month. £19,260 quid.
To put that into perspective a similar package from EON or BOXT would be around 12k and they let you pay interest free over 3 years. Bit of a rip off when you look into the numbers.
It’s about time that these companies offer finance, hopefully low interest rates. Will become much better for people, like Aira HP… 😊
It's not just up front cost. When you amortise the cost of a heat pump, solar panels, and a battery, over it's design life. You have to invest a lot of money in insulation and emitters to make it save you ANY money at all, and the cost of those wipe out your savings. People don't realise that energy out of a solar charged battery isn't free. It can be 20p/kWh which might be more than you're currently paying... Unlikely to be less than you pay in future, but inflation factors in there too so in real terms it's not a clear cut financial benefit.
The cheaper it is to heat your house, the harder it is to justify insulation that doesn't pay back for 20+ years.
Insulation is always the 1st step, it will save you money if you're on gas, wood fire, coal or heat pump. Energy out of a solar charged battery is 'free' you may have had to buy the equipment but you aren't having to pay anything for it afterwards so not sure where your 20p/kWh is coming from?
@@Stephen-Jones Many people don't want to invest in insulation because although it saves energy for the rest of the buildings life, many people don't intend to live there for more than 20 years, and the amount it costs vs the amount it saves over 20 years or less often doesn't cover the costs.
I'd love to replace my old double glazing, but the maths just doesn't work out in it's favour. I'd make more money putting it in the FTSE100 (~7.5% per year, which means you need
@@Leo99929 Can tell you've put a lot of thought & maths into the above 👍. Another thing to also take into account is that the energy you use from generation/storage you're also not paying to get from the grid and that cost is likely to go up over time more than down (or if you charge your battery from the grid at off peak/free vs peak time and use later or even return to the grid for a profit).
Ultimately you can always argue you could do X or Y to make/save money but thinks like solar & battery are not just about possible money savings over a period of time as well, if/when you sell the house the solar/battery/insulation will also add some value (or at the very least help to sell your property compared to the same without) so the live in for 20 years has an impact but it's not really that clear cut.
@@Stephen-Jones Yeah, I'm paying an average of 22.26 p/kWh right now. So I save 2.56 p/kWh vs taking from the grid. That's 76383 kWh to break even. With heating if I use 20 kWh per day, that's about 10.5 years to pay back.
Yeah, energy prices shot up because of the war in Ukraine but seem to have stayed high due to corporate greed as they're making record profits. Weirdly the higher they make the prices, the easier the investment justification gets. I'd take it as no accident that it works out to just over 10 years.
Prices will go up by inflation at least. About 3% per year. But that isn't actually making the fuel cost more, as you should be paid more to match.
House value goes up by about 3% for a heat pump, apparently. Maybe double or triple that for Solar panels and a battery. Ultimately that alone can effectively convert the cost into a house value increase that you can't realise until you sell it. At least it's hedged against inflation.
I'd love to do it. I'm looking into it. Sadly for me I might require a new roof before I can put solar panels up there, and that effectively doubles the panel cost and makes the business case even harder.
8 - 10 panels and 10kw of storage is....£90/m...you ignored the bit for how long or total cost.
Is it worth the extra money for Myenergi products where you can get the same thing much cheaper hmmmm
Not convinced by this at all. It's a lot of money per month, over a long time. I get the no up-front cost is exciting, but you're going to end up spending a lot more money in total.
In the context of housing costs, £90 pcm isn't *that* much. I don't think he mentioned how long that was over, given that he was describing "their most popular product", I suspect that wasn't over the maximum 25 years. It's certainly a scheme I'm interested in, albeit for my next house not my current one.
I would like to like MyEnergi, but I don't trust them. My parents had a Zappi and Harvi installed with their Solar PV. The Harvi never worked and the installers replaced the Harvi with a Solar iBoost instead, so much more robust. Their Zappi broke, three times. MyEnergi's preferred engineer replaced it twice and literally gave up on the final instal. It still doesn't work right and Myenergi just don't care
Sounds unfortunate. My Zappi has worked faultlessly for the last three years.
Too much use of the word ‘ecosystem’. Kits fine, but it’s not stupidly expensive. People need to learn to save up really, rather than PCP their solar
The Myrnergi HQ has less than optimal PV panel placement on the roofs. They have designed in shadow over half the panels. And why don't they put PV panels over the carpark where bi-facial panels would work best with underside exposed? They would a also create a shelter for the vehicles. And why not put a windturbine on each corner of the site? Practice what you preach Myenergi! Also I can't see any EV chargers or air sourced heat pumps.
It's called planning permission.
There what looks like 2 ASHP pumps out side the original building, see google maps street view. So I expect there some on the new building as well. Its a no brainer when it comes to running costs. But your right about the car park, and chargers are not visible. But I notice only one EV in the street view pics, so they could support their employees with help to buy or salary sacrifice, and start using their own chargers. The perfect test bed for further development I would of thought!!
@@richardbrice6535 There was obviously no planning problem there with the roof solar PV panels as they have them installed already, nor with creating car parking shelter with PV panels, and now with Labour no problem with on-shore wind turbines any more. The NIMBYs can no longer stop onshore with just a single objection as per David intellectually lightweight Cameron.
£90 a month over how many years? Is it 8 or 10 solar panels? What interest rate (if any) is charged on the install? What about bird proofing on the solar panels etc, etc....the devil is in the detail... 👿
Do what they say to get more info
I shouldn't need to..they should give the info breakdown on the video... otherwise it seems like they're hiding something...
@@chrisfox7460 Considering they're selling bespoke installations and pricing changes fairly rapidly in the renewables market, providing such detail would seem a bit counter to what they're trying to do.
@@GreenJimll I hear what you're saying, but then if that's the way it works, then why quote a price in the video at all, seeing as it could regularly change, that just leaves them open to unhappy potential customers...
Another shiny slick advert … I don’t object to the quality of production but when will you start to interrogate your climate friendly friends in the same way as you interrogate and rant about oil, gas and combustion products and producers. I want to be a fanboy but it’s hard when you don’t challenge your pals … I have a Zappi and it’s great but I’m not going to sell my GivEnergi battery to integrate a new MyEnergy battery without good reason …
The boards are "PCB's" not "PCBA's". PCBA is the process, PCB is the product.
We use PCBA to identify assembled PCBs. The blank board is a PCB, the assembled boards is a PCBA.
@@edc1569 Fair enough.
You will own nothing but won't be happy when the company goes under and all your gear turns off like what happened with the EV charging company in the US recently.
Not used my Eddi since I bought it, the app is poor and didnt have basic agile features.
Their battery was just some rebradged expensive nonsense.
This offering will be extremely vulnerable to grid energy prices, basically skimming off of stupid energy infrastructure decisions and subsidies.
8:47 nice login security guys 👍
The 6 min paid advert to start is cringeworthy. Fess up and admit it's a scripted advert.
@Myenergi why no v2g/v2h
And neither does anyone else. There is a legal wrangle stopping V2G on CCS until 2025 (so I'm told). Expect to see everyone doing this next year.