The Sopranos - Tony Meets With Carmine Lupertazzi Jr
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- Lupertazzi captain Doc Santoro orders a hit on Phil Leotardo's protege Gerry Torciano to try and solidify his place as new Boss. Tony then meets with Carmine Lupertazzi Jr to urge him to step up instead.
I love the irony here. Little Carmine came off as one of if not the biggest idiot on the show yet in the end he made the smartest decision out of all of them which was to get the bloody hell out of the game.
We don't know that for sure though, there are a lot of implications in the final few episodes of the series that it was actually Carmine that was really in charge of the Lupertazzi family and not Phil or Butchie
wogacelli got any examples? iv never heard this before
MJSpiritual How did Little Carmine come of as an idiot in the show? He was one of the most cool-headed guys.
Peter Clemenza He had a bunch of people backing him to be the boss after Carmine Senior died, (IIRC) nobody ever even considered whacking him and he was the host of multiple sit downs, and actually stopped the New York and New Jersey war with one of them.
I don't think that he was the de facto boss, but he was probably the most respected member of the Lupertazzi crime family thanks to his pops.
MJSpiritual A wise man plays the part of the fool! Remember that in life my friend.
The one time little Carmine stops trying to sound intelligent he’s actually brilliant. Something very zen about that.
Walt fuckin Whitman ova here.
That kind of sounds like me... I’m a scientist but I think people get me best when I am able to let go of shyness or desire to impress and just speak from the heart.
Nostradamus predicted all of this
People like people who are genuine.
He’s still full of his malapropisms tho… “mellifluous box” is an oxymoron of the highest order
This is a really key scene. Little Carmine did what almost no characters on this show ever did: He made a decision to change. And in the end, he was the smartest character on the whole show. Great acting by Tony and Carmine here.
Good point: I once got a psychologist’s perspective on Tony Soprano - he never changed himself because he never changed his environment.
Sounds really simple, but actually is really tough to do: you can hate your job but it can be so tough to go get a new one. It’s tough to come to terms with your inadequacy or unfulfilled longing which is what any kind of major life change requires ... and is exactly what Carmine did 👏🏼
I have noticed that: so many of these characters stay where they are
@@MalloryNewcomb this needs more likes
What about Eugene? He tried to quit
He never changed, he never had the makings of a boss in general, he just stepped out of something he didn’t have a chance in and considering he had daddy’s money, he could afford to relax. He was only in His dads position for a very brief time
@@PissedOffBanker Eugene was screwed by the law, and his boss didnt let him retire
Such great symbolism in this scene. Tony's ordering of a Philly Cheesesteak shows his desire to eat and not be hungry. Also, his ordering of a drink is great foreshadowing since he will soon become unthirsty after having a sip. And finally, Carmine breathing oxygen lets the audience know that it's vital to sustaining life as a human being. Incredible writing
Mind....blown!
Yup
Very allegorical
Absolutely. These writers layered this show so deeply.
Dont forget the colors of Tonys jacket and Carmine’s polo. The writers wanted those specific colors to convey many meanings to the audience.
LOL
Little Carmine started off as a joke of a character.
Derided for his stupidity and weakness.
He ended up as the smartest and happiest character in the series.
Tobey VanWeston Wisest....not smartest. Big difference.
This is honestly one of my favorite scenes from the entire show....
Lil Carmine might of looked and sometimes acted dumb, but I think he was was wisest of them all. He foresaw what was going to happen after his father died. He started an empire down in Florida a smut (porno) business, clubs and other endeavors. He probably knew Phil reatardo was a hot head and was going to make both families go to war, which ended up happening. Both NY and NJ families ended up getting clipped. In which little Carmine had nothing to do with the latter. I wouldn't be surprised if he came back and took over both empire's as he had the connects, and the name to take over.
Christianity is a filthy disease powerful statement there..
Maybe I wasnt smart enough to notice his change to the smartest. He always seemed like a dodo to me.
Love this scene. It's when I realized Carmine was smarter than the rest. He just didn't have a way with words.
He had a way of stating the most OBVIOUS of words. The most common response to anything he said should've been NO SHIT
Sane here. You can see the look of envy in Tony's eyes, because happiness is an emotion that always eluded him. Carmine was no wordsmith, but as the op stated, he was actually quite intelligent.
It didn’t have to be this way
Carmine was not street smart . He was alway verbose but never achieved anything of substance.
@William Lyon emotional intelligence. Something tony could never achieve. Tony couldn’t or wouldn’t understand his dreams. Carmine says he understands his dreams and knows how to be happy in life while Tony’s dreams haunt him
“I’m not ashamed to say she made me cry.”
Phil:
"Lemme tell you one thing, and I'm not ashamed to say it: My estimation of Carmine Lupertazzi as a man just f*cking skyrocketed"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Sorrelhas Skyrocketed is the wrong word 😂
@@themutualfriend5286when he spelled the wrong word whatever happened there
If she can make him cry and he's that weak, wtf else can she make him do?
It's good how Tony starts out humouring him and ends up listening sincerely as it resonates with him.
Also one the rare times he doesn’t interrupt someone talking about their family.
Exactly
Tony literally doesnt care about anything that doesnt involve him.
@@Argos-xb8eklike you?
You can really see the different lives these two mobster heirs chose here.
Carmine orders a healthy meal and remembers to order his favourite drink while Tony has an unhealthy cheeseburger.
Carmine takes the time to understand his dreams and process his emotions, while Tony resigns himself to anger and panic attacks by trying not to dig deeper into dreams or emotions.
Carmine has a loving wife who, because he has made an effort to respect and communicate with her (talking every night and taking her advice), cares for his wellbeing above money, while Tony has Carmela.
Carmine spends his time and wealth playing golf with friends and enjoying himself while keeping active, but Tony feels the need to gamble all his money in order to enjoy the money he makes as an unhappy mobster.
I love how Chase always makes it clear that Tony is to blame for his miserable existence because he can and could always have tried to change for the better but simply chose not to.
Ohhhh!!!
Walt Whitman ovah here!!
Excellent analysis
Philly cheese steak
i love when people prohect their years of therapt into anything lol, sometimes a fucking sandwich its just a fucking sandwich.... shit
@@anaranjadisimono, what he said is true. It's not even deep or subtle your just a moron
Gandolfini’s acting here is on another level. Just watch his eyes while carmine talks...you can see him go from being annoyed, then confused, then it turns into curiosity, and ultimately understanding carmine’s long winded story. Just brilliant!
Facts
The greatest actors never have to say a word. That's what separates them from pedestrian talent that get by, make money but never leave any indelible memory for viewers.
And then it turns into anger because he wouldnt help him.
Absolutely superb, you see the wheels turning in his head and you wonder whether that final expression is inflected with a twinge of sadness as the man he and his cronies consider a contemptible idiot is more content than he is. In Tony's life there isn't a single person who cared about him enough to tell him what Little Carmine's wife told her husband.
Well said. I’d add envy along with the understanding of Carmine’s decision.
All jokes aside, this is one of the most important scenes in the series. Tony knew Carmine was right. He should've listened.
If Tony walked away, the whole family would have collapsed.
initially, Tonys plan was to groom Christopher to be the active boss and take over for him and Tony was to move away and be a passive boss of the family, Christopher was going to do the dirty work, earn and deal with the daily decision making and Tony was going to be far removed from all that and only deal with larger directional shifts in the family and the business, but Christopher proved too weak, so tony was kind of trapped as the boss of the family from his point of view, no one else could lead like him and he knew it, not even silvo when tony was in a coma, it was too overwhelming for silvo. So its not that he didnt listen, its that he really had no other recourse other than continue the life.
Absolutely. Carmine delivered the message every Sopranos fan should try to understand.
Yes v good point
It was easy to lecture about stuff if you were Carmine Jr. He's living in Fla. collecting a check from New York every month and "fixing wet t-shirt contests". Tony had to be closer to the ground and get his own hands dirty more.
Hands down, THE best Little Carmine line ever: "Your brother Billy, whatever happened there..."
WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE!!!???
Johnny Sac: Too bad about Joey Peeps.
Tony: It's a shame when they go young like that.
Johnny: When they GO???!!!
I always liked that one.
“Duh something”
doggy god rest his soul 🤲🏻
"y'know.... The shooting....?"
"God rest his soul" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tony clearly envying Carmine for having a wife who actually wants him to live.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that couldn’t stand Carmella!
The more I’ve watched the series the more that Carmella becomes unlikeable.
You only dislike her if you are unable to put yourself in her shoes... Everybody on here complaining about Carmella must be ok with being married to a cheater ? Our blind affection for Tony has actually made us dislike a loving caring woman. Whos only fault was wanting HER Husband to be faithful and honest , imagine that ????
Carmella liked the luxury life Tony's blood money provided, and her conscience could be put to rest with enough $. Also how she treated Charmaine Bucco like a servant but got burned for it? She's a piece of shit like Tony but in different way. She was only concerned about Tony cheating on her, not that he was a criminal who hurt people.
I dislike Carmela because she's a sanctimonious, hypocritical, greedy, calculative scumbag.
What saved little Carmine was not his intelligence, it was that unlike others he was not greedy and power hungry.
Little Carmine was dumb, but wise. He got to Tony.
Deep down Tony knew he was right and it showed in his facial expression. Even Tony knew he was reaching for something that wasn't there in trying to get Little Carmine to be boss.
That there is Cundalini, and Cundalini wants his hand back.
+Chicken Man Exactly, it kills me that some people think Little Carmine orchestrated Johnny Sack and Leotardos downfall and he was actually the smartest of everybody who played the part of an idiot.
That theory is beyond ridiculous considering there were several things that Carmine couldve never planned, like Johnny Sack getting cancer, Blundetto flipping out over Angelo and killing Billy Leotardo, Tony taking his time in getting rid of and not handing over Blundetto.
Being wise doesnt mean you are smart and being smart doesnt mean you are wise.
ToeCutter it takes a smart man to play dumb. When people think you're stupid they don't consider you a threat. And you're right the others were power and money hungry which was led to their demise. Carmine knew this and stayed to the sidelines and watched the power struggle play out and collected the remains afterwards. He won the game by not even playing, by basically doing nothing.
Love how Carmine uses the wrong words so confidently they mellifluously become the right words.
gotta love the Lupertazi malapropisms. The show actually hinted. that Carmine Sr used to do the same thing. In Carmine Sr's first scene in the series, he tells Tony "There's no stigmata these days" rather than the correct "there's no STIGMA" these days"
I mean some of the phrases were right. Gold can be liquid and measured in a gallon he had that right phrase
Like the great Yogi Bear.
Their food orders really shows where each character is mentally. Carmine is eating clean, looking to the future. Tony just wants comfort food no matter how unhealthy.
Being from Philly, the waitress should have said to Tony, "Philly Cheesesteak. Will that be Pat's or Geno's?
Philly ate cheesesteak off a radiator for 20 years
I knew a guy, when he was gonna eat Philly cheesesteak, the mayor would have to call out the National Guard
if you knew you could die any minute would you care about what you ate? what are you..huh...a fckn moron
@@mikeg2491 20 fuckin' years**
Carmine wearing a paper crown in the dream... the symbolism on this show made it so amazing. He's got a crown so he's a "king" but it's a paper crown so he's not king of something "real" like an empire or a country...
Then being boss is compared to a "mellifluous box" which looks beautiful and everybody wants to have but there's nothing inside. Such a good show.
Holy shit that was some good insight
Carmine came across like an idiot. He would always use the wrong words and malapropisms when talking to come across smarter than everybody. But he ended up being the most insightful.
A lot of people don't come to that realization though
Nino Gaggi
"mellifluous box" itself is a nonsensical combination of an adjective and noun, because mellifluous means to sound pleasing, yet boxes (unless a musical box) have no audial characteristics. It would be like saying: "That painting sounds nice." This could easily be a repeat of the Carmine. Jr character trope, i.e. using words in the wrong context, sounding intelligent but not fully understanding their meaning or proper use. Or it could , as you point out, have a much deeper meaning.
As the box represents life, (or more accurately, the vessel in which good memories in life are stored) and has its physical properties nonsensically described with an audible quality ('mellifluous'), then it communicates the idea that just as it is ridiculous to associate the visual with the audible, so too is it equally as absurd to associate mob life with a good life.
But those are just my two cents.
The paper crown could also symbolize the pointlessness of ambitious pursuits. When you die you can't take wealth or status with you. Other than your family who cares what you leave behind. All empires fall and are forgotten, along with the kings that ruled them.
Very very underrated scene. Describes what Tony is too afraid to admit to himself. His whole life, chasing something that makes others happy, and he thought what would make him happy. He knows he got it all wrong. The paper crown definitely represents being the king of something that isn’t meaningful. Genius.
Yes
Little Carmine really didn’t get enough air time. He might have seemed retarded, what with his malapropisms, but he was always a good-hearted man
@@stairwaytoheaven8 sounds like he should eat some mushrooms or drink some ayahuasca
Jesus Christ is your phone in your colon? How far up your own ass are you?
@@MysticMonkeyMiracle omfg seriously? Gtfo
Little Carmine 'forrest gumped' his way through the entire thing while the rest of them wiped each other out. Well played LC
While having dreams about filling up his shinebox
Little Carmine was a stroons
Now if he turned up at the end I would be impressed
there's a theory that Carmine Jr was a Machiavellian genius who purposefully made himself look stupid so everyone would underestimate him (mobsters are also less willing to risk a murder conviction on someone who everyone believes is completely brainless.)
I can see the look of jealousy and disgust on tony's face as he wishes he could have the peace and contentment that carmine has , while also seeing wanting those things for himself as a form of weakness which disgusts him and feeds into his self loathing. Gandolfini was masterclass
Wow, best comment in a thread full of greatness.
“That dream with my father, the empty box, it wasn’t about being boss... it was about being happy.” damn what a dream Tony could only wish of achieving
I love how he just ignores and seemingly sniffs out Tony’s manipulation tactics
People don’t give Carmine enough credit for this. Silvio, Paulie, Chrissy and Puss all knew Tony but the only people who really KNEW Tony was Junior and Silvio, so it was surprising to see that Little Carmine was hip to Tony’s antics and had a counter for them.
I honestly think he was the one who had Tony whacked at the end of the series.
@@KINGofGUNS Why?
@@bboynava1812 killing the boss of one of the 5 NY families needs to be permitted by the commission, not considering that its a New Jersey families, whom New York is superior to. So it was a double offense.
For example: in Goodfellas, when Tommy, who wasnt made, whacked a made man without permissions. This resulted in his death afterwards since it was against the rule, and even his boss couldnt do anything.
@@bboynava1812 He made a run at becoming the NY boss, but only stepped back when the succession became too bloody. The war between Phil and Tony cleared his path. All his competition was out of the way with Phil gone. And if Tony gets whacked, it can be explained as part of the beef between Tony and Phil getting settled. He's set up to be the peacemaker when he assumes control of the NY families and what's left of the NJ crew, just needs Tony gone too. Butch probably suggested it to him. It makes sense to me.
4:27 "I don't wanna be the wealthiest widow on Long Island"
Tony's face as he realizes Carmela would never say that to him.
Carmela did wanted tony to leave and get a new start during the time where junior hired guys to kill tony.
Because Tony doesn’t have millions stacked under the bird feeder.
No. That’s Tony realizing he would never be as considerate to his wife’s feelings as Carmine. Carmine may be dumb. But his marriage is much healthier.
Ray Abruzzo is brilliant in this scene, and in this role generally. His realisation of Little Carmine was pitch perfect - one of this show's genuine gems.
Maturing from an entitled upstart to a considerate and happier man.
We also see that he knew the guys didn't respect him as a leader and yet he wasn't even bitter about it. He was wise.
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Carmine's wife doesn't want to be the wealthiest widow on Long Island. Tony's wife can't wait to be the wealthiest widow in New Jersey. Carmine sacrificed being boss for the sake of happiness. Tony sacrificed happiness for the sake of being boss. Love the contrast.
What kills me is that Carmella gets an allowance from Tony, in addition to jewels, furs, cars, and still complains to Tony about not having enough money. You'd think that she'd get some kind of side hustle with all of her free time and disposable income.
@aileen wournos Where did I say that Carmella wanted Tony to die? Everyone could see how distraught she was while he was in a coma.
@aileen wournos I respect your POV. I was just trying to say that Carmella seemed overly concerned with money from what I could see, and I do agree with you in that she wished that Tony would get all of his income legitimately, which is why she tried ventures like investing in the stock market with his bird feeder money, or building the spec house.
@aileen wournos As for Tony sabotaging her attempts to be independent, I think it's tied to the culture, like when Chris told Adriana that she had to quit her job when he got made: the woman of a made man stays home and doesn't work. But then you see Carmella all jealous when Angie Bonpensiero makes all that money from the body shop.
Carmine most likely pulls in more scratch than Tony, with the clubs and the porn producing. Also the Lupertazzis are far larger, way more powerful and pull in way more money than the DiMeo/Soprano family.
CHARACTER SUMMARY:
"Seared ahi mixed greens and an ice tea please."
" ...........philly cheese steak."
“you eat beef and sausage by the fuckin car load”
Ralph Ciffaretto.
Greased Lightning as well as mellifluous
Jay Slomine
What do you think fish is made out of ?
@@95Bartlett failure
greens make you weak?
they make you healthy.. which is the exact perfect opposite of weak.
that whole comment was probably the dumbest thing I've read in a while.
Carmine ordering a healthy lunch while Tony orders a philly steak and cheese sub. Just shows you who's taking care of themselves and who isn't...
Carmine was taking care of himself in many ways. Possibly the smartest character in the series.
I didn't realize they ordered different food /s
Little Carmine was the only mobster whose wife cared more for him than the money and status he could provide. You can't buy that kind of loyalty. Dude was an absolute chad.
Too bad he repaid that loyalty by banging his second cousin Lorraine 😂
Lil Carmine shows here he wasn't so dumb after all.
Austin McMahon unending quagmire, giggity
Oh, he's dumb. He just knows he's dumb, and that almost makes him smart.
He's definitely dumb. But he has common sense. There are dumb people with common sense, and there are PLENTY of smart people with zero common sense. He showed a lot of sense by staying out of this thing and realizing where it all leads. And that allowed this dumb person to outlive all the very smart guys who were fighting each other for the top spot, thinking they were too smart for anything bad to happen to them.
Lil Carmine is not dumb. Eccentric? Yes. Different? He is actually a Prodigy Prince. He is smarter and more intelligent then all of them and those closest know it. What he is not is feared. He is different. DIFFERENT does not equate with dumb. There is a lot of Emperor Claudius in him
@jayteso These guys are running complex business networks. That's not dumb. Also, some speak better Italian than English despite being born here. Even Chris was running a stock market con. That's not dumb. You mean they do not have standardized knowledge taught in school. They didn't need it.
Carmine Jr. was the Claudius of the Sopranos Universe. He couldn’t communicate worth a lick, but he knew how to avoid drama and seek his own happiness.
Claudius got poisoned by his wife
@@chrisdawson1776 by like his 3rd wife. If Carmine Jr. was forced by his family to divorce Nicole then maybe after Wife#2, Wife #3 would have poisoned him.
I, CLAVDIVS.
Just say it, what's with all this Claudius, Octavian, Augustus s**t ?
Claudius conquered Britain.
Carmine was by far the smartest in this show , got all the benefits from being in organised crime without suffering any of the fatal disadvantages , so allegorical .
Yep. Worked out a way to put himself above it all.
Very observant. The sacred and the propane.
Chilling out down in Florida. Smart guy.
Profound scene, and L.C. being probably the most sincere and earnest, no misspoken words or phrases. It's also funny his overtly hinting that he's very well aware of his reputation and that Tony thanks that he is Fredo.
carmine junior was no boss of a crime family..but he did have the makings of a varsity athlete.
lol
He is, however, a survivor. Getting in the middle of the Phil Leotardo-Doc Santoro leadership struggle might have gotten him killed.
They have a varsity golf team?
Also has a shoebox.
He had small hands...
"I always enjoy those but it never occurs to me to order one" - this is exactly how I feel about Arnold Palmers.
Galactic123 i think plain ice t is gross. so when my customers order one at the bar, i always ask if they want lemonade in it, and make it an armonld palmer. and most of the time they say “i love those, and always forget to order one”
@@jennycheeks9215 Don't lie
Arnold Palmer Alert! Arnold Palmer Alert! Who wants some Arnie Palmies? 🤣🤣
😂
@@aashiv93 ooo-weee-ooo 😆😆😆
Carmine: "I'm not ashamed to say she made me cry, that wonderful loving woman."
Tony: "I'm not ashamed to say my estimation of you as a man just fucking plummeted. To cry like a woman? It's a fucking disgrace!"
Except Tony was hurting on the inside realizing how fucked up his marriage and life was compared to the guy who was able to walk away from the shit
That was the grey goose, not tony
CharlesSchwab ovaheya
Lotta balls
In that moment he realized that Brainless the Second was smarter than him.
I would love to hear David Chase talk about the inspiration behind Carmine Jr, such an intriguing character, he appeared dim witted, but was spirituality intelligent.
I saw an interview on some mafia show about Michael Franzese, who did a gas tax scam. He was a unicorn of sorts, he didn't go into the program, get killed or go to prison forever. He had legitimate businesses too. He retired early from the mafia. He reminded me of Carmine Jr alot in this interview. [Edit] And he had a hand in the movie business too.
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They just had Carmine jr on taking sopranos. his character was based on George W Bush
@@edwardwood6532 he spent 8 years in jail, two in solitary confinement 😂
Bill Bonanno.
Bullshit... Carmine didn't want to become the boss, because then he wouldn't be able to wear shorts.......
Yup, 'cause it's undignified.
Tony Amari he gets a pass because he lives in Miami...shorts are the norm!
Profile 1 😂😂😂👌
“The don doesn’t wear shorts”
Hahaha!
Why so many of you thought Carmine was an idiot? He always played it safe, no gossip, and made the smartest decisions until the end. He was a true winner in my book
The way he talks makes him funny, full of grammar error and misused words.
You've got to be kidding me. Did you even bother to watch the show? He screwed up literally EVERYTHING he got involved in until he came to this realization. He wasn't a winner, but he figured it out.
@@jonahperelman literally is such an overused word.
@@aljosap8445 Kinda like your mom, huh.
@@jonahperelman Grow up
"It wasn't about being boss. It was about being happy."
literally every conflict in Tony's story ends with this lesson. *Yet he never learns it. Again and again, season after season, it gets made very clear to Tony that he'll never be happy as a mob-boss-and probably not in the mob-life in general.* Now a character is literally telling this to his face. Still he doesn't learn.
Carmine Jr was a bumbling character, but he could at least learn: from his mistakes and from other people. And that's why he made it to the end.
Tony on the other hand was such a mess he could never really learn from anything. Maybe he was such a mess he didn't want to learn at all; maybe learning something new (to him) was like conceding that he didn't know the new thing before, like conceding that he was dumb and made a mistake. His sensitive ego might not have allowed him to concede something like that.
Maybe don't need to be born smart in life. Maybe you just need to be humble enough to acknowledge and learn from your mistakes.
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Show wouldve ended pretty quickly or at least took a more boring turn if he had learned from his mistakes lol
@@chrisdawson1776 based
@@ohio72213unironiclly using "based" is the gayest thing I've ever heard
He took an oath. There's no retiring from this thing...
Love how Tony is taken aback by the idea of a light dinner.
or a wife who loves him
Little carmine: the guy that tony never saw coming.
He's a come-from-behind kind of guy
very allegorical
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I'm reminded of King Louis the whatevah's finance minister...'the' something.
And I will be more effective...but until I am itll be hard to verify that i think ill be more effective.
It´s not about being Boss, It´s about being happy
@TH-cam Veterinarian His wife was hot as fuck too.
the only thing Little Carmine said that made profound sense. And maybe the 1 line of any in the entire series that did the same
No, it's about being Boss
Worst five years of my life was being an associate with the South Philly mob. 2008-13.. Never met bosses. Been in the same room with Capos. My day to day involved dealing with soldiers. Being 6'5 248lb they wanted me to be muscle. I did one job as muscle and I slowly backed away from the life thereafter.
The guy I had to rough up was a kid I knew since we were in the first grade. Knew this kid my whole life.
Little did I know he was a degenerate gambler. It was awkward and not cool. I did it anyway. I didn't have the balls to back out.
I made $800 a week cash on average. I could have made more because all the opportunity was there. I don't think I'd be typing this right now had I got more involved. I'd be in the can for sure.
Its not as glorious as it's made out to be like on this show or Goodfellas.
Idk. I had some good moments I suppose.
@@bigdaddy2343 I'm not gonna question u, but Goodfellas or this show don't glorify the mafia. In Goodfellas, when tommy and jimmy kill billy Batts, u could see the look on Henry's face as he noticed what is happening. And in sopranos, it shows how u could die at any second with the mafia. None of these things glorify the mafia.
Love how nuanced of an actor Gandolfini was. Being able to display the emotions of I'm not in the mood for story time, hurry up & get to the point and at the same time still intently listening. The guy was really a gem.
4:33 It wasn't until that *exact* moment that I realized that Lil Carmine is a GENIUS
He got everything he wanted out of the game including wealth and now decides to retire like a boss
Carmine was married to the smartest woman in the entire series!
Carmella asked Tony to quit didn't she?
+Judge Dredd But he bought her a fur coat and gave her cash for a spec house and she forgot all about it. If only she stuck to her guns!
Cmon, Carmela? That pretentious selfish bitch would rather to see her own children dead than to live a poor woman´s life
+jottaz1 boom!!
She was my favorite character on the show. I wish they would have done more with her.
Little Carmine is becoming the Happy Wanderer. Tony is envious.
Patrick O'Donovan great comment
@@familyread7889 Tony wanted Carmine Jr. in New York because he perceived Carmine Jr. as being non-confrontational and Tony said that it was "common knowledge he's retarded", etc compared to Johnny Sack or Phil. Tony felt intimidated by Johnny and Phil and felt he was in over his head dealing with them, I think.
Carmine junior, little carmine, achieved true happiness in this show. He was one of the only ones to get out and be happy and love his family. He is easily the most genuine caring loving person in this show.
But did he get out?? It seems at the end, according to last two episodes, after Butchie and Phil's crew turn on Phil, that Carmine Jr is the new boss. At the peace meeting where NY says they'll back off and that NJ can have Phil, the NY guys look at Carmine for the answers. As if he's running the family now that Phil is going to be taken out. I think he ended up Boss of the Lupertazi family.
@@whoknows4379no he's the peacemaker Butchie is the new boss
This is my favorite scene in the show. Carmine's a joke almost the entire show and in the end he's the only one with real insight into the life and who really understands what he should want.
It's also interesting how Carmine is actually kind of eloquent when he uses words he actually understands rather than putting on airs. Carmine's ignorant and uses too many words without understanding their meanings but I don't actually think he's that stupid. He's certainly sharper than Paulie and Chris
The way I see it Little Carmine's story in many ways parallels that of Michael Corleone only in reverse. Both were the sons of powerful New York mob bosses and had the opportunity to take over their father's position.
While Michael initially wanted no part in his family's business and was content to live more mundane yet peaceful life, unforeseen circumstances pushed him to take over the Corleone family and made him into a cold and calculating mob boss who's greed and paranoia eventually costs him his happiness.
Little Carmine on the other hand did aspire to be like his father and one day become boss himself. But unlike Michael, his experiences made him realize the dangers of such a life and chooses instead to opt out while he still had the chance and instead live a more peaceful existence.
Well said
I would like to point out that Michael never fucked his cousin.
The point of the godfather was that Michael did not have to be an organised crime boss. The family had already been set up to go in a different direction.
Michael always wanted to be the boss and it became really apparent when the took over. He was ruthless to the point that the took out every crime family in existence. He more or less crushed them on every front.
Michael did not have to do any of that but he was ruthless.
Basically Carmine Jr was like Fredo but unlike Fredo realized he would never hit the top and stepped away from trying to replace the Don. And unlike Fredo he lived.
@@bighands69 until he volunteered to kill Solozzo he was a mere civilian. He was never even involved with Family business and never attended meetings etc. After his stint in Sicily however Mike became hardened, stony faced and ruthless as the old Mustache Petes themselves in their prime.
As he lacked the social graces or presence of his father Mike settled for being feared instead of loved. And he was never happy again.
Little Carmine survived the wars that claimed John and ultimately Phil by going the other route- be ignored and underestimated. He was not ruthless as Phil or egotistic as Johnny, and crucially his wife and (in a way) Tony loved him enough to save him from trying to be his dad.
At end of this scene....Not only does Tony know Little Carmine is right, but he is envious of his freedom. What made Gandolfini's work in the Sopranos extraordinary is how he can convey so many different levels of emotion with facial expression alone. Yes, Gandolfini's takes the brilliantly written dialogue by Chase to the next level. But its those eyes and what they tell us that made his work so compelling and special. Some naysayers get turned off by the "Mob theme' but they should know that his acting in this series is one for the ages. Immense skill. He was born to play this character.
You can almost see his eye tearing up a little after Carmine tells the story, especially the part about his wife. The story hits close to home for Tony because his wife is a conniving gold-digger who wouldn't mind being the wealthiest widow in NJ. Not that I blame her much, she's taken a lot of shit from Tony too, but we all know Carmela isn't that much better than the rest of the characters, when it comes to morality.
JimmyJam1125 james face near the end of the story, epic acting without words
Nino Gaggi yea just look at the scene with her and the jewish therapist
JimmyJam1125 Well said.
I remember not watching this show for the very reason it was a "mob" show.I can quote the godfather line for line and it is my fav film but by the time of the sopranos i was tired of the genre.You are right , gandolfini was a mensch and his acting conveyed so much more than mobdom.He was shakespearean in his range, the show was like the beatles , so much of everything and always a joy
The way you see Tony looking at him like he's an idiot to Tony actually listening to his story . Amazing acting and amazing writing
Silvio had so many great lines but the “Walt Whitman ovah heah” may be his very best.
wow I've never seen Tony look so envious
Carmine Jr may not have been smart, but he was no dummy. Chill in Miami, play golf, sip drinks, rake in the cash with no bullets on him. Not a scratch. Not a bad deal.
Right, at the beginning of Carmines story you could tell by Tony's facial expressions that he didn't want to hear what he Carmine had to say. By the end of the story Tony's mind was blown lol!
MrAitraining hes quite wise, but also a doofus at times
MrAitraining prob took over both empire's after both families clipped each other or were going to get clipped. Plus lil Carmine also wasn't on any watch list. He made out the best in the end..
What a beautifully worded comment. It describes the emotion on his face perfectly. As a nerd of literature and the appreciation of words, I thank you
Carmine Jr....... The smartest man in the entire show. He had everyone fooled with the inept vocabulary.
Just watch the scene where he's meeting with Tony and Phil- "Whatever happened to your brother," and with his father on the golf course, where he makes an extra comment to piss his pops off and Johnny Sack stares at him.
The last man standing. He knew exactly what he was doing.
No he didn’t. Ive pointed out time and again that Little Carmine ending up as the last man standing was due to a long chain of events that no person would’ve been able to predict.
What helped Little Carmine was that he wasn’t overly greedy and he realized his limitations. I’ll give him his due in that regard all day long. But a lot of people want to make him out as this mastermind, when it’s impossible that he knew Jimmy Petrile was a rat, Johnny Sack would get cancer, Tony Blundetto would attempt to kill Billy and Phil Leotardo, Doc would make a horrible boss, and that Phil would threaten Butch, causing Butch to turn on Phil. Those 5 events were the key factors that allowed Little Carmine to outlast his peers....and even after Phil, it’s likely that Butch took over as Boss of the Lupertazzi Family
@@StuUngar Did he even have to be greedy? Somehow this guy was fixing wet tshirt contests in Florida and was wealthy enough to send both children to boarding school, massive house, and a private boat. That's like boss-level money, like something Tony would have. And he was just the son of a boss. Why didn't his holdings get diced up during the succession of bosses after his dad died? From Johnny Sac to Doc to Phil to whomever, I'm not sure who was defending this guy's wealth. If every wiseguy could just make money hand over fist without responsibility then most of them would do it - the reason they want power is so they don't get everything fleeced from them by the next boss who changes things and demands more tax.
What they resod that green?
Carmine Jr was lacking in ruthlessness, balls, and brains to truly be boss.
Albert was the one who played dumb, but was a true wise guy. Far better than Carmine.
@@rondorthecruel124 one of the trucks...
Theres debate around whether Carmine is secretly a genius or actually really stupid. The truth is he has uneven abilities, he fails to inspire confidence, come across well and hes awful with words despite not realising it, but he is attuned to peoples emotions, knows when to quit, knew to stay at a distance from the mafia for his own safety.
That makes him such a good character because that's what real people are like.
He may be referred to as “brainless the second”, but little carmine was able to at least see far enough ahead that this lifestyle rarely lasts long term..
Carmine has had an epiphany. Whenever you experience one you must always listen to what it's trying to tell you. Sometimes it takes years or even a lifetime of intraspection but if it helps you have a better life it's always worth pursuing.
TheCoolProfessor WOW indeed
Great scene shows Carmine was smarter then we thought
probably was. if i remember correctly he survived in the end
It only took the whole series.
And ended up taking over both NJ and NY empire's after everyone clipped each other. Very wise man..
Than, not "then."
@@xman2738 Tony survived.
Little Carmine's story is a perfect example of why you keep the treasures of this life close to your heart. Love and memories are worth more than anything you can touch.
The paper crown 👑- like a stun gun to Tony’s system. From that point on, he no longer was the advice giver, but listened intently
That hit, with the dialogue fading to silence mid sentence and the slow motion blood splattering Sil, then the sound and full speed action suddenly crashing in again, is one of the coolest in the series. It really conveys the immediate confusion followed rapidly by massive panic. Plus it just looks fucking awesome.
I remember very clearly the first time I saw that scene. I thought, "wtf is going on with the DVD" then saw the blood and was even more confused. They do a tremendous job of making you feel what Sil must have been feeling.
@@iamamishalso think it’s foreshadowing Carmela’s pov after the screen went black in the Finale
In this scene, I think Tony realizes his whole life has been a mistake. And of course he ends up getting whacked like carmine's wife talked about
I hate and love this final scene. I don't want it to be true. But I can't denie the signs...
@@Arcaryon What signs? There are far too many red herrings in this show for all the conclusions people dream up 😂
@@tobsmonster2 The line where you don't hear it when it comes. The scene where Silvio sits next to the guy that is getting whacked and also doesn't hear it happening. The sudden cut. It's just a lot of signs pointing to him dying, even though it says that we can make of it what we want on the menu.
Arcaryon nothing wrong with that. I’m just suggesting that spotting a pattern doesn’t necessarily mean it is THE pattern 👍
@@tobsmonster2 I know but it drives me crazy every time I think about it because while again it is whatever I want, I just can't seem to trick my brain into believing NY heart. Such a great ending.
Carmine’s story makes me so happy. Just about the only character you can feel happy for at the end of the series
I was born in syria, and living through an actual brutal war… I can say that the representation of someone getting shot in a situation like that is absolutely perfect! The ear ringing, the way you start seeing everything slow motion for a few seconds.. that’s why sopranos is such a perfect show in all aspects!
respect brother
Keep crying
I'm sorry you went through that. But..... happy that you made it out alive. Enjoy life 👍.
Respect my brother
where are u now?
The fundamental question is... will I be as effective as a boss like my father was?
And I will be, even more so, but until I am it's going to be hard to verify that I think i'll be more effective.
+Ebenezar 'Some of you know I've had nine pictures under my sub-species'
ronoccc lol. roscoe is right. it's so perfect on so many levels.
just make sure you don't forget your mellifluous box..... o_0
stellar
Ebenezar that quote makes me laugh and hurts my head every time
HAHA! Look at that extremely subtle sigh of "uh not again but I got to play nice" from Tony when Carmine brings on another of his metaphore stories at 3:02
True, but by the end I think Tony realized that Carmine had actually related something to him worth thinking about -- even if he knew that Carmela would never let him pass off the family to someone else and just retire.
This scene is amazing, Godfather levels of poignancy.
I know this probably wasn't intentional, but I love how this conversation about happiness starts with Little Carmine telling Tony "you're not happy." It's as if Carmine, the happy one of the two, is drawing a clear line between himself and Tony, who chose to stay in the miserable business he's in.
When you think about it, Little Carmine wasn't quite as stupid as he looked. His dream and his wife's words made him realize that he wasn't made to be a Boss. Look at the real word mob bosses, how many were able to retire peacefully with their money and not end up dead or in jail?
i agree you nailed it
Nick Cooper Happy, living DC.
Not sure if they went into retirement- Carlo Gambino and Tony Accardo?
Selwyn Raab in his book Five Families calculated that an average boss's tenure was around 5-7 years until incarceration or worse, death.
UnknownUser So same as playing in the NFL, then.
Carmine was playing everyone
He had luck, nothing more.
@@stevem2323 Bullshit. He and Butch played Tony and Phil in the end.
@aroundtheworlda Bullshit again.
CARMINE WAS PULLING THE STRINGS ALL ALONG. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing to put himself in a favorable position, and he was one of the only ones with enough introspection to understand the bigger picture. That doesn’t mean he was ever “top dog”, it just means he knew *precisely* how to “play the game” and manipulate with finesse.
He quit and was done playing
I like how Tony’s face is partially like “get to the fucken point”
Severely underrated scene, a Carmine Jr. was always written off by everyone as an idiot but he makes one of the smartest decisions anyone in the series ever made, he gives up the greed and chooses happiness.
Carmine Jr. at his most eloquent
This moment and the line "a pint of blood costs more than a gallon of gold" makes me think there was more to carmine than he cared to let on. He had his moments lol
Michael Jagdeo he might've just played up the stupidity to be seen as less of a threat so as to stay out of the line of fire, literally and figuratively, but he was a lot smarter than what he led on. It takes a smart man to play dumb. He just chilled off on the cut and let the chips fall where they may. He knew things were gonna come to a head at some point with the leadership in place because the huge egos those guys had and inevitably it did and we know how that ended. He just sat back as Nature took its course. In the end he probably made out like a bandit because Doc, Gerry and Phil all ended up dead and he probably reaped the rewards of the fallout. As Bobby Bacala once said "to the victors go the spoils".
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 why don't you take your quotations book and stick it up your fat fucking ass
Mellifluous even
@@sickofguysnamedtodd2293 he was more playing the thick than he was the thick.
"Walt Whitman over here"
*Hank Schrader has entered the chat*
Whatever happened there?!
Willie Wonka ?
Woodrow Wilson?
it's incredible watching tony's expression soften through their conversation. he goes from humoring carmine to realizing how emotionally empty his life is comparatively, realizing that he doesn't even know what the first step to getting something like what carmine describes would even be. there's almost grief in tony's eyes.
It's pretty funny how Tony spent so much time talking to (or at) dr. Melfi and never really got anything substantial out of their numerous exchanges, and then Tony finally realizes what's wrong when he's quietly listening to someone who is thought to be a complete buffoon.
Camine Jr. wasn't really stupid. He was just a failed sesquipedalian. Or as he would say, some kind of squid alien.
it even outshone Ver Sailes, where the king lived...
@@SAOrules duh something
Bravo. 🤣🤣
😂..... Trompay la oyle
Gold
Tony might have found Little Carmine to be a pompous idiot at first, but his character grew to be a wise one and a partner for Tony who, while might not have been great in the trenches, had the big-picture judgement and connections to be valuable. He wasn't smart, but he was wise by the end and knew how to play his cards for the greater good. One of my favorite, subtle parts of the show was his development.
Of all the moments in The Sopranos …
This scene with Tony and Little Carmine, might be _the single_ greatest, most powerful, most Beautiful moment - in the entire series.
Carmine: "Seared Ahi and Mixed Greens"
Tony: "Philly Cheesesteak"
I think James Gandolfini had the same diet as Tony. RIP.
I love how Silvo just sat there while gunshots were flying.
the wisest guy: Carmine Lupertazzi Junior
Little did we realize LC becomes the boss after Phil dies and Tony is killed in the diner
Tony pushing for Little Carmine to be boss for his own benefit.
Every single thing these guys do is for that very purpose
@@geedee1264
Most of them are psychopaths barring Tony and Carmine and each of them knew that as well.
Tony was not built to lead organized crime and was a far better business man than criminal. His family were not into it either. I would say with 10 years of the show ending (barring tony assassination theory) he would not be in the criminal world at all and would have moved out of Jersey.
tony looks like he's about to cry
+Ronnicus That's the realization that Carmine's wife actually loved him when Carmella truly didn't.
Kyle Parker Yes. She actually stool from Tony and started to invest in case Tony got killed or went to jail and he tried many time to assure her that she will be taken care of in case somthin happened. nice wife lol.
"Fucking Walt Whitman over here"
Hell of a reference
I've tried "Rainer Maria fucking Rilke," but it never had the same impact.
"An Arnold Palmer beverage is made with two summer drink classics: a combination iced tea and lemonade. It's a slightly sweet lemony tea blend that has a refreshing taste."
Little carmine outsmarted everybody in the end.
Little Carmine IS without a doubt, the smartest of ALL the bosses. As soon as the killing started and he stopped lusting after power. Both sides picked up on that and turned on each other. Meanwhile, LC acted as a "broker" between both sides. He "helped" or "parlayed" between them to end the war. But yet it didn't end and he was safe. Thus, both sides didn't look at him as an enemy but a friend/ally or neutral. By the end, ALL his competition was dead: Sack, Phil, Doc... piles of underbossess and key players too like Sil, Fat Dom, Rusty, Coco.... the ONLY ones left, at the VERY end are Tony (who viewed him as an ally and never wanted war, just money) and people who were followers and not potential leaders: Butchie and Paulie. If you flip through the LC clips, you'll see that in this case he's VERY articulate and clear thinking, yet he says things at the wrong times in front of Phil or his Dad, to make them mad and get the result that he wants. I don't think that he was evil enough to take out Tony. That wasn't his nature. But he wasn't above standing back and letting things happen. After Tony's death, LC certainly became the head of ALL the families.
KT Simpson LC wouldn't be the head of all the families- even if he hit the top he would be 1 out of 5 New York bosses. LC is a businessman first, then a husband/father, then a mafioso. Remember that Tony is not a NY mobster and thus the two can work together and even be real friends since their interests don't usually collide (apart from the co-projects,which are mostly legit).
What sets Little Carmine apart is that he has essentially discarded ambition to avoid making enemies within and without his organization. That is the hardest thing to do, especially when your father was boss before you. He is left with Butch as the leader of the Lupertazzis, but without Phil or JOhnny gunning for his head. He gets to be comfortable in his life without a boss that will force things on him, something TOny's underlings will never know.
Two great and insightfull comments. I never thought of LC as anything more than a dufus who rode his Dads shirt tails.
I personally feel that Butch and Carmine whacked Tony, and then installed a puppet leadership in Jersey.@@paraguaymike5159
@@alekshukhevych2644 Pauly gave them the OK on Tony
@@jerry85g7Is that confirmed? I think we might know more in the prequel..
Amazing scene. The first few episodes of season one, when Tony was still a Capo and before the internal war started between him and Junior, Tony was seemingly happy. Then he becomes street/official Boss and the stress outweighs the money and respect that comes with it. Even Johnny Sack said the Boss is a thankless job. Although Carmine usually makes no sense, here he makes Tony understand something he never acknowledged.
This scene with Sil and the scene with Bobby talking about how "they probably never hear it coming" (when talking about the deer) are two of the biggest reasons I believe Tony gets killed in the end. I don't see why they would go through all the effort of adding those scenes, if that's not what they were hinting at.
For a guy who spilled more Norm Crosby-isms than anybody on the Sopranos (funny butchered words that sound like but aren't the words he means to say), this dufus of sorts, with his seemingly crafted, pretended at intellect is the SMARTEST guy on the whole show.
He enjoys his lucky life, the high life. The golf, the restaurants, the painting on his wall that gives the illusion of being a window that he shows off, and makes a point of explaining the name of and meaning of in another scene...his boat, etc.
Its like when you see a movie about big drug dealers...Depp with hundreds of millions in the walls, Tony Montana, whomever...you just want to go, 'If it were me, I'd be gone like a cool breeze'. Like Armande Assante said in The Q & A, "Me, I'm gonna disappear...I don't ask for separation pay...I believe you know my word is guuud".
Nun Ya Q&A a great movie. That very unrated.
“Norm Crosbyisms” 🤣 absofuckinlutly spot in.... haven’t heard that name in decades
Little Carmine was actually the smartest one for getting out
Tony: stressed gambling eating unhealthy out of shape.
Carmine: calm cooled relaxed healthy clear head.
Great scene 👏
it took every ounce of tony's patience to let carmine finish his stories.
I always liked little Carmine’s acting. It has lot of empathy. Tony b might have been a genius, but talked like a robot
Carmine jr: how to go from a spoiled stuck up daddy's son to a mature, wise man.
AJ should take notes 😝.
@@rumble2468 Def lol
@@rumble2468 carmine was better
“Never thought you’d mutter those words”
Lil Carmine is the greatest
Forget all the comments about how smart Little Carmine was. Consider the post-production work on this clip. 00:52 shows some unparalleled slo-mo action. The sound added in was really complimentary to the scene as well.
The Sopranos in general has some pretty good cinematography.
I agree.. rewinded 4 times. Who was this character and why was he offed!??
@@russelldustin4673 i also would like to know
Here's why I'm convinced Little Carmine was really a genius: how else can you explain him being so close to that life, and always with impeccable timing, knowing when he can and should act dumb and get away with it, and when he should get all logical and philosophical like he did in this scene? Then you have his work as a diplomat between crews. C'mon.