Mach-E Thermal System Nightmare
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2021
- Sandy and the Munro Live Team dismantle the frunk to discover a mess!
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E E:2 Frunk and Thermal System.
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Please do a video on ur thoughts on Canoo vehicle & company viability. Thank u
I wish you worked for Honda
The new MDX/Pilot Air clearer package is a freaking mess
Im gonna guess that it was right after this that the boys and girls at Ford knew they were failing engineering class.....
Looks like Ford has found a way to guarantee that even their EVs will need servicing, and keep those dealerships afloat.
That's precisely what I was thinking too.
I didnt even think of that until you pointed it out! nice catch.
All EVs need servicing, but yeah, all that tubing and those connectors could be streamlined or largely eliminated. I guess Ford is still using a lot of traditional techniques for cooling in this car.
How often do you service ice radiator hoses?
Oh my god, you're right! It's obvious when you think about it. All those 50s-60s era clamps point to old school thinking too.
In the 50+ years I've been watching auto's, Munro is the first to provide consumers an in depth view the underlying quality of select automobiles on the market today. Munro may become the market disrupter of Consumer Reports and the like.
I read consumer reports and they are pretty spot on in my experience. Jd power is a different story.
@@andrewmeehan6151 Consumer Reports are linked to the Ford Foundation. Just sayin'.
@@MarkXHolland Didn't know that, but they rank Toyota, Subaru, and Mazda highly and never have seen anyone who was disappointed with those brands, or at least not many.
@@andrewmeehan6151 subarus are dog shit, what are you talking about. if you own a subaru, theres anywhere from a 20-50% chance that it will blow a head gasket. it has been a known problem with the car for over 2 decades, and they keep lying saying it was fixed, but they never fix it, because its an issue with their engine design and how the gaskets are positioned.
@@PeteZam Your argument would have been much more compelling at around the time youtube first became popular. I know literally dozens of people with post 2013 subies and not a single one has had head gasket issues. Their quality has had major strides (like hyundai) hence their record sales.
Everyone : EVs need fewer servicing visits. Manufacturers will lose revenue streams as a result
Ford : Hold my beer
Hold my octo hoses
I just have to note that Tesla gloats about 100,000 miles before anything has to be done, except maybe brakes and tires. The problem is, with the exception of oil changes, that has already been done a long time ago.
@@paulstandaert5709 Tesla may gloat but can you really go 100,000 miles with the suspension broken off and the door handles not working? These are real world problems. The last 2 cars I saw on the side of the road with suspension coming apart where a shiney Tesla with no scratches except from the tire out of the wheel well and an early 2000's Hyundai with rusted out crossmember.
@@paulstandaert5709 Depends how well someone wants to look after their car. My BMW could go 100,000 mils with just oil changes and consumables, but I wouldn't run a car like that, it's asking to be ruined at 100,000 miles. Same with a Tesla or any car, always maintain more than the manufacturer recommends.
@@imkirbo3094 Perhaps so. I see tons of cars where literally nothing has ever been done and the problems it develops over time just continue to stack up to the point that it gets totalled. My old man just had his 2011 Taurus in my garage for a tire rotation and I couldn't find anything wrong with it. He bought it new and it has 74,000 miles and he has done nothing to it but tires, oil changes, and brakes.... And maybe a new battery.
And it is a 10 year old car now... About the age where batteries really aren't expected to live. I hope I am wrong here and the Tesla drive batteries well exceed that, but I cannot help but notice that the battery is the very first thing to get stripped off of a wrecked Tesla. There *is* high demand for battery modules which is an indicator that they are going ca'put.
Just when I think I'm in love with the Mach-e, Sandy pulls me back into reality with hoses, fasteners, plastic parts, boxes on top of boxes and more fasteners.
But… these is not combustion heat like on combustion engines. So most of the plastic parts & cheap parts should last years longer
Ditto. It's a mess.
You’ll get very disappointed when you turn your heat on and see 30 miles of power desapear after you ride 5 miles , shiit car. My wife wants to give it back .
No heat pump either. Horrible range in winter
Keep in mind that US and western European companies are big into planned obsolescence. They want you to be dependent of them and buy new stuff from them every few years. It's viral amongst western companies. Proprietarism and planned obsolescence.
When you think there are no summer action blockbusters this year, Sandy comes to the rescue.
Behind the scenes in a Tesla engineering meeting: "Design every part as if Sandy Munro was going to expose it to the whole world. If he faints, you're fired."
😂😂😂
"Unless he faints of happiness. In which case you get a raise."
😝
and if he have some critisism, I expect you to take notes and present a solution to me next day.
They would all be fired, fit and finish has improved on Teslas but it still sucks.
I am a software engineer, and we have a term call "spaghetti code" in software. Looking at all these hoses in the Mach-E, thats the first thing came to mind.
I was a develop in the old ASP days …. i had to maintain “spagetti code” , not fun
When I worked as a tech for Ford we called it "spaghetti thrown against a wall" .
This is the video I never knew I needed to watch but thankful I did.
Thanks for stopping by!
That intro had me rolling! Sandy and his team are, before our eyes, turning into real-time consumer advocates. With each teardown and subsequent video you are educating masses of people who are not only becoming more mfg and lean intelligent but are being turned into highly educated consumers! This is a sleeper quality of this channel that I don't think folks are giving respect too. I have worked in the manufacturing industry, specifically metalcasting for over a decade and consider myself more in tune with "How its Made" than the vast majority of people. This content will drive consumer choice, which will in the end drive mfg choice aka, keeping up with the best as proven by folks at Munro. Win-Win all around. GD national treasure!
So the real consumer reports!
I’m an electrician and I feel the same way. “Why’s it cost so much??” Well you see….. and my explanation is always inadequate. I wish Sandy could explain best practices and do breakdowns on all industries.
Yes I wish I’d said that...
Every engineering student and aspiring engineer should be subscribed to his videos. College students pay too dollar for this kind of education.
And what happens to the finances of an already debt-laden company gets hit by a flood of warranty repairs???
Ford got a bit confused with all the Octovalve talk and put an Octopus under the hood instead.
:D:D:D
bruh...... LMAO!
Sounds like something Ford would do.
Gotta live up to the slander, Found on road Dead.
More like a triacontapus (30x)
Mechanic: So where is it leaking from?
Me: Yes.
The answer is easy: everywhere!
Sandy, My son is a young Mechanical Engineer who lives about 10 miles from your headquarters and would LOVE to tour your facility and his dream is to work for you. You have changed the way he looks at engineering, you really opened his eyes to look at engineering as a whole, Thank You.
Cory, get the octovalve! Hahaha love it!
😂
Absolutely the perfect smelling salt for cooling system related mis-engineering...
This channel keeps getting better and better with every upload. Entertaining, informative and straight to the point. Congratulations to Sandy and the team!
Thank you!
100% agreed! hilarious intro, fulfilling and informative video.
@@MunroLive No, thank you, for providing this content to inform us as consumers and critical buyers.
@@MunroLive Excellent stuff. More please.
Agreed. Sandy is a hero for generations to come. I’m glad you were coaxed into making this channel. The videos are never long enough. He’s up there with Elon if you ask me. He just didn’t hit it rich with a cash cow when he was 25.
Designed with as many parts as possible that can and will fail to support the dealer network......Plain and simple.
That is the blueprint behind their [Ecoboost] line of engines.
There is nothing plain and simple about recharging a battery through regenerative braking. The comparison is not like Electric vs Nitro RC cars.
You could fix this yourself with parts from an old washing machine.
Wait till you own a tesla bro lmao......your car will be in service and you're gonna pay thousands, then you'll find out that the techs are morons too and will return your car more messed up then when You dropped it off.....but ENJOY your tesla, they are on sale right now lmao
@@USNEM LOL. My Neighbor owns one that he has been using as a Taxi for 5 years. You could not PAY him to drive a gas or hybrid again. His operating costs are 70% less. And that includes maintenance which has been Bugger all except for shocks and tires.
This looks like an engineering and construction nightmare.
You mean planned for the dealer service department's benefit
Cost a arm and a leg to get things fixed at the stealership.
OMG the thumbnail. He's gone full TH-camr.
Sandy 😍😍 Legend
He ascended
Has he challenged Jake Paul to a boxing match yet?!
And the skit
Yeah, full-on 'The Scream' thumbnail. 😆
As a young electronics engineer I was given the task of designing out 15 calibration resistors on a piece of radar equipment. These were a persistant problem in the field, where service engineers would foolishly twiddle them trying to locate faults. Took a while but I managed to rid them all and I was rewarded with a promotion! Golden rule of design engineering, 'If it's not there, it can't go wrong'! Munro highlights this so well. A great video.
Removing all of the 15 calibration resistors? Now *that's* a fine piece of design work! (coming from an old electronics engineer)
True genius lies in simplicity "Leonardo DaVinci"...it takes Ford 100 moves to build a car, Tesla takes 25
Most engineers will tell you that the best solution to a problem is the simplest one, But it looks like these guys went to the MC Esher school of automotive design.
yeah i've noticed more things made more complicated and harder to work on for no apparent good reason unless it's to make it harder for the average person to work on . like too many went to the rube goldberg school of engineering .
Elon always say "best part is no part"
Ironically, even with all that cooling infrastructure, it still overheats. Kyle Conner did his standard Colorado mountain run and the Mach.E overheated.
Not even ironically, that's probably exactly why it overheats.
Wow. That is quite the mess. It’s like they got Medusa in a head lock over here!
Tesla has the octo-valve, Ford has the octo-hose.
I Would rather own a Mustang than anything Musk produces!
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn thenn you're an idiot; obviously
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn id love a tesla
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn God Bless you Brother. It’s ok to dream about what once was. I still dream about my Dads 71 challenger.
@@DavidJohnson-tv2nn
Who produces the Mustang?
Sandy is the Lean, Mean, Parts eliminating machine!
He might as well be a no nonsense butt kicking machine…..lol
I'd do the same thing myself. That's how products get 'better' whilst reducing costs.
Perfect 100% pipe coverage. Good job Ford!
“Quick! Get the Octovalve”
- Sandy’s assistants rushing to give him first aid after seeing Mach E’s labyrinth of thermal tubing
Funniest skit ever.
Waiting for the “Scrap if dropped” t-shirt.
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@@taylor92493 at 2:15. Ya gotta watch all Sandy’s feeds very carefully
With the Ford logo above it.
At least make a baby onesie.
@Americannovice Twocentnovice triggered
Automakers have never had their designs examined on available media, and now with new designs coming through, they are going to have to step up their game. The Japanese goosed them a bit in the 80s, but this is a whole new ball game. What was cutting edge for aircraft in the 80s needs to be standard for automotive today: more castings, efficient structures, weight reduction, digital control, etc.
We can also now watch some random bubba build a really solid electric car from a scrapped chassis and a handful of parts he bought on Ebay. We all know electric cars can (and should) be much simpler than ICE designs, and genius-level skills are not required.
@@mrw417 There's an enormous difference between some guy building an electric car that's "good" for him, and a car company building an electric car that's "good" for the regulators of multiple countries and millions of demanding consumers using the same design in an wide variety of situations. Things like this hose mess don't happen because the designers are stupid, they happen because dozens of teams are solving different sets of new problems in parallel and this is just where they had to stop and get the product out the door. They'll sort this out iteratively like anyone else would.
@@bill_the_duck where the rubber meets the road, eh... ))
@@mrw417 Like Elon says, it's easy to build a prototype but it's hard to build factory which builds these cars reliably and efficiently.
Seems Ford wants their electric cars as reliable as their gas ones. 🤣
Sure thing H1B visa dude!
They are higher rated reliability than a Tesla so..
@@mattgray6436 They're much too new for anyone to accurately 'guess' as to their reliability! The name of the car is a joke; Ford is so desperate that they recycled the Mustang name into this electrical plumbing nightmare? What a joke!
They want to make sure that their dealer's service departments makes $$$$$$
@@kevinstorm6009 say joke again and maybe something you say will mean something. Ford has a higher quality build. Tesla’s are struggling from poor build quality but the fords aren’t. So lol.
I guess this what a "plumber's nightmare" looks like in real life
I don't think I will ever buy a vehicle again before seeing a Sandy Munro tear-down
Same. I don't think I could ever look at a Mach-E the same again after seeing... whatever that was under the frunk...
Just buy a Tesla, you wont regret it.
@@excelrobot
Don't bet against it..... But there will be a major redesign starting on Monday!
Welcome to Tesla can I take your order?
"Cory, get the Octo-valve." Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahah
😂
How good was that hahahhah love it
😂🤣😂🤣
Very funny, Sandy!
EPIC joke!
Almost looked like Ford hid an actual engine behind the "frunk".
The Haynes manual would consist of only a couple of pages. For the rest take it to the dealership.
Even though the mach E is powered by electric ford's still building it like it's a fossil fuel car.
No, this is worse, i never saw so complicated cooling system in a production car.
Sandy doing a sketch .. never thought I'd see the day - loved it! More like this please, informative, interesting and fun
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sandy: I hope you warned the wife about this skit! If she sees it without being forewarned...
I think if they had recorded Sandy's original reaction it may have been unbroadcastable 🤬🤬
@@mjcamp01 The F word would ve been said so many times.😀
You should have seen the “beer cooler in the frunk” episode.
Oh no, even Munro goes down the slippery slope of TH-cam with this thumbnail 😂
Sandy was truly shocked. It warranted a cliche thumbnail. Thanks for watching!
@@MunroLive It's nice to see he's also having a bit of fun while making these. Thanks for the video.
Sure, but the thumbnail was spot on - the innards looked like Ford hasn't learned much about building cars over the last many decades.
@@MunroLive Would that be "cliche" baiting?
@@MunroLive That was so unexpected and entertaining 👍😁🤣
Monroe putting Ford on check absolutely classic. In essence Ford couldn’t have had a better opportunity. It’s free information, take it and change your building and engineering process for the better. Of course many people i.e. engineers will have varied information and dispositions but from what I’ve seen Monroe is some one that’s hard to argue with. I absolutely love your channel and all your information Sandy thank you so much you are a wealth of knowledge.
Munro is bringing transparency to automotive technology. That's a great thing.
Thanks Alan.
Just like back in the 80's before they figured out the proper way to do emissions systems. You opened the hood and all you saw was a sea of vacuum hoses going everywhere.
No kidding. I remember my 1987 Honda Accord. Hoses everywhere. They were high quality hoses mind you.
@@stuartbear922 i had an 87 accord. eventually took the motor from it and put it in an 89
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAH That fainting spell was classic!!!!! Octovalve smelling salts hillarious
You remind me that we owned a 1986 Taurus MT-5 (2.5 l 4-cylinder/5 speed manual) and a 1986 Acura Legend (2.5 l V6/5 speed) simultaneously. The ashtray in the Taurus was made up of a plastic face with a metal ashtray riveted to the face. My recollection is that the metal ashtray was a 3 piece assembly. The ashtray on the Acura was a one-piece injection-molded part with the finish molded into the plastic. It was a sad comparison of the two cars and even as the Taurus was a great packaging job, it failed in many details. Needless to say. the 90 hp four cylinder was no match for the 150 hp 4-cam V6 of the Acura. The saddest part was that the Taurus had potential as a competitor to the Acura - it drove and handled reasonably well for a 3000 lb sedan. Sadly, as with most domestic cars, the accountant influence on the Taurus' design created a visually pleasant automobile that really did not compete well against the Japanese cars of the time.
What a clusterf**k.
LMFAO 😹😹
Agreed.
This is what humanity has dealt with since the big money pushed out electric vehicles in favor of their profits dating back to the early 1900s. They destroyed our environment, caused massive illness and death in favor of the almighty dollar. We need a new paradigm like what the Venus Project proposed. I was "woke" by the Zeitgeist movement when I saw his 1st project. I'm still fascinated with it's predecessor...Technocracy. It assumes we use energy credits as currency and science to guide our use of resources as opposed to corporations who are driven by a fiduciary mindset over science.
@@billbosch9127 The compact energy of liquid fuel is what drove the internal combustion engine as the primary automobile power for over 120 years.
How would huge electric batteries moved by the burning of coal for 100 years have been any better for the environment?
@@don2deliver I’m afraid the electric car morons really have no clue!
1:16 Surely an Academy Award performance 🏆
Something to add to your office display case before your next filming there!
Well one thing I can say for sure that when it comes to acting ….. you’re an excellent engineer.
Haha. Sandy keeps his day-job for sure.
My god what a mess, I’ve seen garage builds look more planned out than that nightmare.
The rats nest under that frunk looks like the workings of a drunk with a knife and some duck tape.
So like Rich rebuilds xD
Everyone at Munro: Don’t forget to ask them to subscribe!
Sandy: Seriously? Every time?!? You gotta be kidding me.
At least the first 4 mins of the video isn't some musical junk along with pimping someone's product. =)
I bet even SpaceX's Raptor engines need less hoses than this.
Probably designed so the dealer's service shop can get some service dollars
Aren't space toe engines simpler by design anyway?
@@robertopics the basic principle of rocket engine is simple, but the engineering to make it happen is really complicated with crazy amount of pipes, valves, etc. You can google some images of raptor engine and see for yourself (note: raptor engine is probably the most complicated rocket engine ever - due to the full flow stage combustion cycle they have chosen / but that means higher efficiency).
What does the Mach e maintenance manual advise for frequency of inspection for hose leaks? Are the covers on all these modules water tight so a leak doesn’t short-out electronics? I hope it’s not every 10K miles because that’s not much better than 7500 mile oil changes on an ice vehicle.
@@harrychu650 no, it's designed to move most car repair staff to the insane asylum.
The arm chair critics are well represented here, give Ford some credit for a first attempt and like most things, will improve over time !!
Will it? They've been making cars and trucks for over a century now and they still don't have it down?
Great video. Since I am really interested in a similar teardown of the id4, I searched for Id4 + teardown on TH-cam hoping to find some German equivalent of Sandy. Turns out such a thing doesn’t exist. No one is creating content like this. Keep up the fantastic work guys 👍
I was genuinely like "come on, how bad can it be?" I've never seen the term "spider web" apply to the cooling hoses of a car, but I guess there's a first time for everything. Between the hoses and the Jenga tower stack it looks like a horrible mosh posh, hopefully Ford keeps using Munro's advice.
Yeah it looks like a prototype project car! Hopefully the next generation will be better engineered and packaged.
Well, If I understand correctly, Sandy has quit his job at Ford because they did not listen to him.
I thought he was exaggerating until I saw what was under the fronk. Then I was flabbergasted. This is Ford Engineering?!? wtf?!? Was it someone right out of college? Now I am too terrified to buy a F150 Lightning because it will look like the Mach-E. I could have done a better job than that.
@@MarcoNierop Seems like that was when they were able to get away with it. It looks like they are open to suggestions now that Tesla is shaking up the industry by LISTENING to engineers, what a thought.
@@anydaynow01 I'm going go on a limb and say it's a good overall first step into electric, though I'm really just parroting Monro and Associates, but I'm liking what I'm seeing. Sure it's going to fall short of the leader in the industry, but it shows that they are trying to innovate.
the media on TESLA "the competition is coming" .... yeah right
Hey, they are able to compete with the 2012 Model S. Only makes them about 9 years behind. The media sees Big Auto following Tesla and thinks they will magically overtake them somehow.
So is tomorrow, but it never arrives either!
@@jlisaacs thats what she said lol...
Competition is only coming for ICE cars...
Amazing content. I love the way you think about reengineering things to improve manufacturing, cost, and simplicity. Every company should be thinking this way no matter what business they are in.
Thanks
Sandy pulls out the Mach-E frunk and discovers 2 live Octopuses living under it.
Elon: making cars is hard.
Sandy: I get that, a lot.
Ford engineers: f it! It’s gonna be covered by a frunk no one will know…..
Munro: wtf is this and passes out.
Great information. Always good to assess effectiveness & efficiency in any project/product/service. Well done!
That is gonna be a nightmare to own later on
Clearly not designed to last or be owned second hand.
I can’t wait to hear what the “scrap if dropped“ mystery module is
Next episode!
My guess is a shock sensor
It's as good as a Bond warning, "burn after reading".
It's the Off Board Charge Controller, used for DC fast charge.
An ECU for the charging afaik
The part under the superfluous cover on the right also had "scrap if droppped" embossed into it
There are many parts like that, but the one with the sticker is unknown for what is doing
@@LiviuIonescu Looks like a load of silicone gooped under the lid of that box..
Lots of stuff to scrap if one hits serious pothole
Tube technology?
Scrap the MUCK-e if Drooped..........LOL.
Wow, very revealing! Thank you for sharing your findings with us!
@6:00 There's another "scrap if dropped" under the cover.
The hose situation looks deliberate to me, maybe to appease some suppliers, or many failure points to develop strong lasting relationships with the local dealership service centre.
Yeah, also I noticed that their limited warranty is nothing great. It's worse than Telsa's warranty, along with Hyundai.
They just took the Octovalve to the obvious conclusion... Tentacles everywhere!!
Too bad ford did not pay Munro for the teardown of the octovalve. They could have saved themselves millions and built a much better vehicle.
Nonsense, it makes me feel great, smarter, more aggressive! I feel like I could... like I could.... TAKE ON THE WORLD!
@@jackiebigd4224 Ford has a "Scrap if bought" sign on the corporate headquarters.
@@jimdetry9420
Cruel!!!
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But fair! (And probably correct!)
@@jackiebigd4224 No. I like Ford and I hope they transition and survive. The company, not the vehicles.
LOVE the THEATRICS! lol
Found Sandy yesterday, and am really enjoying his knowledge. Absolutely fascinating videos!
The high probability of leaks might mean more trips to the dealer and service fees/charges $$$. Dealers will be happy with this kind of design.
And that was a planned design
The "Scrap If Dropped" component is known as an Off-Board Charger Controller, OBCC. Used for DC fast charging to bypass the SOBDM/BCCM.
so basically the DC fast charge contactors
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 contactors will be in the BEC with the other contactors and HV fuses.
@@jakeh8366 interesting tesla puts their DC contactors underneath the rear seat (in the Model S) between the Onboard charging modules. Independent of the high voltage traction pack contactors (precharge and main HV contactors)
Yeah,that’s what I was thinking.😂
Also tesla has the components spread out , charger in the back, in a lost chunk of space inverters on/in the motors itself
Now I know why the Mach-E’s owners manual suggested maintentence schedule says to have the cooling system inspected every 10k miles. I thought they were just trying to throw a bone out to the dealers who are losing out on oil changes, since every 10k miles seemed way too frequent, but maybe that is actual real, earnest advice from Ford.
Wow what a great video, full of insight, Thank you for making these happen.
The extraordinary thing to me is that someone put their crayons down after designing this and said to themselves, "That's the best I can do". Then their boss came in and said, "Good job!"
As a engineering student i made a small internship at a ceramic company and my boss told me that engineering is like code,sometimes you just do things that "just works" because you have no time to make it better.
So i think Ford prirotize other things in this car.
Can you imagine being engineers having their products reviewed like this. Must be tough. Huge Munro fan! Love the videos!
You should hear the crap they get when they go out on the production floor
I can't believe these companies don't hold internal design reviews. This mess would be a target rich environment for reviewing engineers. The problem the designers have is all the constraints they have to work under. Bean counters, ASAE standards, corporate mandates, safety standards, inventory backlogs, styling restrictions, union rules, its never ending...
@@gregcollins3404 Many design reviews are held years in advance before the first prototype is built. In reality Vehicle Operations (the assembly line) calls most of the shots when it comes to the architecture of the vehicle packaging. It has to be able to be built quickly on an assembly line within their tooling constraints first and foremost and in some cases serviceability loses out.
@@gregcollins3404 when people like Murno get called in they have months to improve a part. the production engineers get a few weeks to solve a problem with dealing with 5 other problem
I'm afraid that this is another typical example of an engineering team working purely theoretically. It's not the engineering team's fault though, they did what was asked for. The true problem is that no one is responsible for overseeing and keeping the full project in line from engineering through parts needed through assembling all together in the most cost efficient way. That would be a big cost saver, makes products much more reliable, all leading to a bigger profit. People capable of achieving this are out there, just not that many. Whether it's replacing software at an accounting firm or this, I recognise the exact same problem.
ICE executive: “we need to increase range”
Engineer: “decreasing parts and weight will increase range and the cost/mile”
ICE executive: “put a bigger gas tank in it”
All engineers: reducing a “little” weight doesn’t result in significant range increase and cost/mile savings
@@JeepCherokeeful a little weight + a little weight + a little weight + a little weight ... = :-)
@sure and a very little mpg gain plus a very little mpg gain = very little mpg gain. FYI batteries are the heaviest component, so saving a couple dozen pounds on plastic, well ok? Driving style has a much more significant affect. So don’t exceed the speed limit and accelerate like Grandma;)
Great job! Thank you for explaining.
A nightmare of hoses making me that much more of a Tesla fanboy.
Give me a gauge cluster first
@@TheJoeSwanon Gauge cluster? More like a clusterfuck.
It's 2021! When I saw all the hoses under the Ford hood I was thrown back in time to my Dad's 1979 Lincoln Continental! And I thought that beast had a lot of hoses! I think that the Ford Engineers were under a lot of pressure to get the Mustang Electric out the door and to heck with good design.
Everyone is. Tesla put pressure on the market and the market is responding as quickly as it can. The problem is that these companies are not used to moving fast to begin with, and moving fast with new technology is especially difficult. And I think we all knew Ford was going to be using a ton of off the shelf parts... It is simply how they operate. For years it was assumed that just BUILDING an electric car was enough, but in the coming years it is going to get more and more about quality. An EV shouldnt require much maintenence and this is a car begging for it. Not good for the future. And especially sad considering how great the exterior/interior and features generally are in this and the Lightning.
"to heck with good design" that's ford's motto since the 2004 F150 came out.
@@patreekotime4578
"Moving fast"?
They've had the Model S to tear down for 8 years and the model 3 for 5.
A simple "Why does theirs look like that?" Should have been enough to start questions being asked.
This smacks of zero "out of the box thinking"
"Ford staggering into the 20th century from the wring direction." A Ford ELECTRIC vehicle with more cooling hoses than a Ford ICE!!!
“Simplicity is the mark of a genius” -Plato
-and the simple minded.
Amazing.
Plato got something right for a change.
Oh well, a broken clock is right twice a day, right?
@@psdaengr911 Self identified?
So they found out in the 80's that those clamps leak, and they still use it 35 years later.. America baby
"well, hose is a quite simple thing" :-) -Ford
I really did enjoy that. Thank you for this because it’s really great to see the reason why engineers decide to utilise certain components in the construction of power plants in cars and better alternatives often either are over looked or done on the cheap to cut costs. It’s also great to know what to look out for because prevention is better than cure so preventative maintenance is key and I would be replacing those hose clamps with modern jubilee clamps, if not replacing the hoses with moulded pipes joints (where possible) so hose clamps are kept to a minimum, less is better when it comes to pressurised scalding water or coolant in the area of HT-HV wires. Thank you for the great advice I will put it to good use ! 😉👍 !! five stars for great advice !! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Well produced video on mach-e frunk, way to go Sandy, Cory and the team.
A plumber’s nightmare!
Oh no, it’s Hose-Gate! Hose-a-poloosa! Hose-Fest! Brilliantly Dramatised! 😂
Hose-a-palooza! We should have used that! Nice.
@@MunroLive Glad you liked that one. The engine bay did look overwhelmed with hoses. It was sure lucky you guys were able to resuscitate Sandy using the restoring powers of The Octovalve! Thank Elon for Octovalve! 😂
@@MunroLive A nice embellishment would have been to have the octovalve rushed to the scene in a First Responder FUV. Perhaps we'll get to see that in the Director's Cut?
@@excelrobot In Birmingham, U.K., there is a complex motorway intersection known as Spaghetti Junction. Check it out on Gooogle!
Sandy is so proud of his plastic battery tray...the highlight of his engineering career.
Love your videos especially the passion you have. Bless your heart sir
Thanks Abel.
What Ford called it: Mach-E.
What it should be called: Medusa.
That's gonna stick lol
Seriously make Medusa stickers for it.
Or more like KRAKEN lol
The best doodad is no doodad!
Works for our neighborhood cats as well as our cats
I was seriously thinking of buying a Mach-e but, after seeing this video, I wouldn't buy one unless they redesigned this mess.😱 It looks like they wanted to ensure that their dealers got a steady stream of service visits. Thanks for saving me the aggravation.👍
Wow as always. Great insights for customers. Painful but needed input for manufacturers.
Geez, Sandy. Glad you're OK. Us old guys can't take engineering stupidity like we used to. Keep it up. Love the videos. Jess
Holy crap. Sandy has grown to absolutely love doing these videos. A year ago if you asked him to do that, I bet he would have either fired you or punched you in the face. Love it guys! Great job as always with the videos!
Great review from Mr. Munro who knows cars inside and out. So many potential points of failure. When those mach Es hit 50,000 miles the problems may start to mount.
This guy is awesome. Experienced, concise, matter of fact, and humor too. Thumbs up!
Another BRILLIANT Sandy video - dress it up any way you want - Love or Hate Tesla - wake up Car industry - they (Tesla) are going to leave you for dust, Innovate or go bust. The best part is no part - the best process is no process.......Elon Musk.
That “competition” is still years away in technology
15-25 years behind.
great video ! thanks guys !
Customer: .." Wait, 400$ for replacement of clamps?!
Auto Tech: .." Well, you see sir, they
are Very Special Clamps.
Customer: .." Ahh, I see, no problem.
So how do we engineer a electric car where we can still do Maintenance and repairs. Ford - "hold my beer".
exactly
That looks like it was quick kludged together like just ship it.
Agree. I’m also shocked at the routing of hoses around the electrical components with those cheap clamps. One more reason to avoid this car.
Love you Sandy! Great content as always
Thanks Bud!
Very interesting video and many good points. Thanks.
I originally thought that EVs were supposed to be more reliable because of fewer moving parts, but after this video I see "OMG this is going to leak and it's going to be a nightmare to fix". Great video by the way.
Not Tesla, that's why but Tesla
Replacing a hose and a clip is not difficult, but the high number of hoses and clips and what not, will make sure if you have repaired one, you are back in the shop a while later to do another one, and this goes on and on, to the point it gets really annoying, and if out of warranty also costly.
From what I’ve read they are not under pressure like ice cars.
Ford has the hungry dealers to feed with the money of the customers - it's obsolescence design at its best.
Nonsense, who said its going to leak, there is no temperatures from combustion engines there which can mess the hoses durability.
I was one of those frunk commenters! Feels super special to get a Sandy shout-out.
An educational channel that’s more entertaining than most tv shows, well played sir!