Yet another silly trend which causes more problems for little/no gain - just like everything being controlled by a screen and auto-brake systems which hit the brakes when going past a parked car. On the arguing with Ford about the range calculations - I would say it would be better to get Tesla to do Fords testing since that seems to be more realistic. Maybe its time for the EPA to move the goalposts like Europe going from NEDC to WLTP?
As an owner of a ‘21 Rav4 Hybrid with ZERO issues with it, I agree. Thanks guys! Also, thanks to the paratroopers who choose to jump out of perfectly good C-17s. Yes, the pilots do know how to land and yes, they’re aware they’re off drop zone target. 😉
lol this is a Ford it well never be better regardless of model year. They have been building gas Mustang's for decades. Yet my 2021 Mustang GT premium was a big lemon. I could live with the cheap plastic interior and glitchy electronics but the 6 speed manual transmission was just garbage! Fortunately I was able to sell it and buy a real car from another manufacturer. It's no wonder Ford stopped building cars...I'll never buy another Ford...EVER! th-cam.com/video/MRjeVINUPUw/w-d-xo.html
I just picked up my Mach-E yesterday. So far, so good. Overall, I am impressed. I appreciate your candor in this video. I think if people are honest, there isn't any car out there that they wouldn't have at least a few gripes about.
@@vroooom i saw reviews on it and the charging speeds were lower than rated, the charger network themselves is 3rd party so some weren't working in the review vs. tesla similar probs can happen but its more consistent b/c its self owned and operated not relying on others. also, the screen and overall controls are faster and quicker, the Mach-E screen is laggy even in 2021
The Ford securicode door keypad is one of the smartest "little" things. I've had it now on my Taurus SHO and two F-150s and it is so useful. I hope they keep it forever.
It’s absolutely awesome! I love it and the keyless Solution that Jaguar off with the wristband watch. More auto maker’s need to offer genuine solutions like these.
Yes I have one in my Mercury Grand Marquis. It's a Wonderful feature I use it all the time. I've always been surprised no other manufacturers have adopted it.
Overwhelmingly the Ford Mach-E gets high marks from the industry. Kudos to Ford for not just "phoning it in" as they could have but actually taking their time to do it right. I wish them the best of luck.
but they matched their epa estimates as edmunds had to learn from the tesla team to include it's buffer zone for the calculation. now they didn't exceed them like some other car brands, but they definitely aren't lying.
I disagree on following Tesla's way to do their EPA range estimations. The rest of the industry isn't doing that, ask Tesla be more conservative instead.
And why would they? If that makes their numbers look better? Also, at this point in the EV world - 'the rest of the industry' is Tesla. They literally sell more vehicles than all other competitors combined and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
@@truantray Tesla doesn't game the epa estimates. If you drive the epa cycle, you wil get the epa range. Just like with mpg. They are not for 75mph on the freeway. If you drive 50mph you will get the epa ranges.
I am having second thoughts about the frunk divider. i initially thought it was a terrible idea, but given the generous space in the rear, i think i will keep mine and use it to store things like my portable air compressor, first aid kit, an extra bottle of wiper fluid and other things that tend to fly all over the place in a trunk or hatch,
6:50: I disagree. One of the biggest problems with EV’s and what is putting people away from buying one is the fact that car manufacturers keep announcing range that you can not get on real life driving, What I want is a car manufacture that is true about this numbers so I can make a really informed purchase. So if Ford tells me that range is 250 miles and than, that’s what I get on real life, it makes it a more trustworthy company and, therefore I more willing to give them my money.
1. Phone as key seems to be consistent IF the Ford Pass app is running, not optimal yeah. 2. 2022 resolved the extra key issue, Ford assumed you'd use the phone as key as the extra key, I agree with you about the frunk release. 3. I wish I had those dividers, some models don't have that. 4. Fixed with updates 5. No sunroof in mine, but I agree this should have sunshade. 6. No issues with range and I have the smaller pack. 7. No issues with the tires 8. Ground clearance is the same as the gas Mustang. Wouldn't mind a higher clearance, but im not planning on going off road with mine. Over all, I really love mine.
Regarding Apple Car Play problem: I had similar issues on my Explorer Platinum 2020. The dealer easily fixed it by installing an update, so now it works perfectly fine
My 2018 Fusion Titanium still frequently kicks me off Android Auto for no explainable reason. Even the dealer couldn't figure out why. Thankfully I have integrated Navi so I just don't bother.
Agreed about the glass roof. I've spent enough time with the glass roof in the Model Y to wish for an opaque metal roof instead. I would gladly give up an inch of headroom in exchange for proper insulation and getting the damn sunlight off my face.
Yeah a transition roof would be nice. I used to have a smart for two EV and even that car had a shade I could pull out to cover the underside of the glass roof. I had plenty of issues with that care but the roof was a smart choice.
Your complaint with the trunk divider is just Fords way to legally get around putting a child safety release in that compartment. The NHTSA sets the size of any closed space like a trunk or frunk at 35″ long x 15″ height x 12″ wide or 89 cm x 38 cm x 30 cm. Anything this size or larger can fit a small child, so it needs to have a safety release to allow them to escape. I think the release is still there but it looks like an electric button and not a mechanical latch, not sure why they did that.
@@bob15479 oh man, great call (same issue in my acura in the past). if android, check developer options for BT AVRCP version and see if a different one helps.
@@laloajuria4678 I have a note 9 and my wife has an iPhone 11.both have the problem. Although thinking about it, most of the time it happens when we are at home
I've never heard of any paint issues in the Mach-E. I have heard of rare body-panel alignment issues. No creaking. I have *heard* of people complaining of wind-noise at high-speed but I'm wondering if that's real. I only hear moderate wind noise in mine *only* if I'm doing 70+ mph ... no more than I hear in any other car I've driven.
I suspect Ford has a LOT riding on this car. I also think it is going to be a BIG hit! With those 2 things in mind, I am very optimistic that Ford will fix any problems in their control!
A on A is the gold standard of auto reviews. Why don't auto manufacturers have you review their models before production to eliminate some of those annoying problems?
I actually like the more conservative approach to Ford's estimate. I feels more like they are being honest with us about the range and I appreciate that. Besides I know for a fact there are some people out there who raise a huge stink if they do not hit the estimates 85%+ of the time even when they are the type to flog what they drive daily. They will die on that mole hill all day long.
The only reason they are doing that is because if they try to game the system like Tesla they will still end up losing horribly. Which would then look a lot worst than it does now.
FWIW the phone as a key (PAAK) has worked flawlessly every time on our Mach-E, but I do think it should work 100% of the time for all buyers if they're only going to give you only 1 fob. Nobody should ever be stuck in a dark empty parking lot at night trying unsuccessfully to start their car cuz it won't recognize the phone. Ford should at least offer a second fob at no cost if you want one. However, the fact that this car lets you enter AND drive it just with passcodes only (no phone or fob needed) is a fantastic backup that means you'll never be stranded. Regarding the roof, I had an I-Pace previously and live in southern california and have never had any issues with sun or being hot inside due to no shade in that or the Mach-E. They insulate the glass pretty well and it's never bothered us in either car even on the sunniest of days. A retractable shade would be nice but just another thing that would add to the MSRP....there are already aftermarket solutions availabile for those that want them. And when comparing to the I-Pace, yes it has much better ground clearance and more head room but it's literally $20k more expensive and wayyyy less reliable with a terrible infotainment by comparison (even the new Pivi Pro stinks compared to SYNC 4a). Our I-Pace was so unreliable Jaguar bought it back after 6 months. I'm very happy to have the Mach-E for $20k less with much better build quality.
I found on our Model Y that the issue can be the phone rather than the car. If the phone is in deep “sleep”, Bluetooth is also is “sleeping” so the car can’t pick up the phone. Now I turn my phone right side up to get it out of sleep, and it works as the key every time.
@@ng7216 That is a good point about the phone. I usually leave both my iPhone and Android in some sort of medium power mode because of how bad some of the background services like to suck the battery dry.
Two comments: 1. The last time I owned a Ford product (1989 Lincoln Continental), it had one of those numbered keypads on the driver's door. The advantage of this was that keys (we had keys then) could be locked inside the car when swimming or jogging, and then we could get back into the car, find the keys, and drive away. Unfortunately, this being a relatively unreliable car, the car would unexplainably forget the keypad entry code from time to time. So I learned not to trust locking my keys inside, just in case the keypad code didn't work when I returned to the car. So much for that being helpful. 2. My Lexus sedan with a panoramic roof has a motorized opaque panel that can be extended inside to insulate against the harsh sun. Why couldn't Ford have supplied such a simple solution in the Mach E?
If you are planning to drive them caravan style (in serial), than whichever car is in the lead will run out of juice first because it is reducing wind resistance for the car following behind.
I had all of the software issues you mentioned regarding the phone key, carplay and buggy software but I got an over the air update and all of it has been fixed. I think it's a great car and it has outperformed my expectations. I bought the 300 mi range version and I'm getting at least 340 miles which is great because Tesla's always get less than the advertised amount.
I agree Alex - I do not want a vehicle with a huge glass roof or one of those panoramic sunroofs. The all glass roofs let in too much light and heat, while the panoramic sunroofs are prone to mechanical failure. The regular sized sunroof on my current car gets used a few times a year at night because I can't stand the amount of light it lets in during the daytime (even on an overcast day).
When you do that range comparison vs the model Y, make sure go change up which car is leading. The one following will have the aerodynamic advantage, which extends a surprising distance backwards.
@@mukamuka0 Exactly because if one car is following another and for the same time traveling. The one in the slipstream will have more efficiently traveled so its range would be longer than driving on its own. So a swap of which car is following is needed if they are close to each other during the test.
Mythbusters did tests on this, but they had to be really close (like 10 feet or less) to get a noticeable difference. Just follow 100 feet or more and there would be no difference.
I agree with most of your complaints as I’ve experienced the same issues. However seeing as how unreliable and unrealistic my Tesla 3’s range is, I’m glad Ford choose a more real world range expectation. Overall I prefer my Mach E over my Tesla 3, and I’m hoping Ford can resolve the minor connectivity issues with PAAK(phone as a key) and the interface with the Sync 4 screen.
My wife's 3 has had the same issue with the phone. It takes a completely random amount of time to unlock. Sometimes instantly, sometimes 20-30 seconds. Like it rolls a dice and decides how long its going to make you wait this time.
Yep happens occasionally. In my case I bet more than half the time it's my phone's battery saving functions. Usually if I pull out my phone and turn on the screen the door will open. If I get that far I go ahead and just put my phone to the pillar and unlock it with NFC.
According to my brother it is an Iphone issue. His wife's Iphone glitches and works at random on the Model 3, my brothers Samsung Galaxy works every single time without issues.
5.8 to 8.8 inches on the Etron. The best-kept EV secret considering what you get for Model Y money and a 25k discount from Model X. Oh and a full glass roof with a retractable shade too.
@@Ficon Model Y has low ground clearance for areas where it snows a lot. Perhaps Model X has air suspension and a more decent clearance. Jaguar iPace luggage compartment is too small.
@@Ficon Yet Model X is a coupe thus has less practicality than an Audi Etron. Besides one can buy a preown less than 10,000 miles odometer even dealer certified with warranty Etron for less than 60000 USD while for this money only an old 75D high around 100000 miles Model X can be bought. At that mileage definitely falcon wing doors will have problems and the battery will have serious degradation issies in Model X.
Being brutally honest is just the Ford way. I can tell you that after 25 years at engineering in Dearborn. The only thing to do is deal with it as we say in michigan. Best wishes. As for computer glitches, they'll get it right eventually. On that issue you are very correct in bring that attention to all. Blessings.
should we add moose test failure as 11th? Also, I feel like weight and charging speed is more relevant than actual battery pack size. for daily any size will do, on the road efficiency and speed of charging (ionic 5) is more relevant
Alex, this is the best complaining video I’ve ever watched .. I truly appreciate honest and constructive feedback .. Just a few things I know you know this by now .. the Mach E select and GT only comes in solid aluminum roof .. no glass, also I think you should do a temperature test because in my model 3 I feel allot more sun heat from the glass roof them in the Mach E, I may also do a video on this .. but yeah it’s not perfect but it’s better than other glass roof keeping out the sun temps .. As for EPA I think The government needs to change how all that is done completely.. it’s all over the place look at the Taycan omg EPA did a number on them .. Alex great 👍 content! More please..
Marques Brownlee did a pretty good review of this car, the Tesla Model S and an Audi gas car for control. The problem they ran into with the Ford was the charging infrastructure. At one point there were in rural upstate NY and had to drive to Vermont to get the nearest charging station! The Ford continually routed them to chargers that were broken, info that you could find out from the web. So whatever system Ford uses doesn't have up to date info regarding what charges are available (and working).
@@dsan2509 It comes with the territory. No matter how thorough you are in designing and testing a product, you're never going to be able to account for all the scenarios that consumers will end up using the product. As was said though, it looks like the typical quirks you'll find in the first model and since the car can be updated OTA, it probably won't require a trip to the dealer to resolve.
Another complaint is the surprising lack of an electrically controlled tilt/reach steering wheel. The seats, mirrors and infotainment settings are keyed to particular drivers, but you have to manually wrestle the steering wheel for reach and tilt. My wife hates it.
Some of these complaints are subjective, and some are just nit picky. When one of your complaints is that it comes with a divider in the front trunk we can tell you were searching for things to include on the list. At least none of these issues is anything I would consider a deal breaker so I appreciate the video for that.
@Beelzebot : that’s a BS cheap shot. The ICE engine problems you’re referring to I assume are some of the ecoboost products-those things are jammed with tech, and other manufacturers using similar tech have similar problems. Their NA engines, like the 2.5 in my hybrid escape, are basically bulletproof. The issues Alex is reporting are just brand new flashy tech which they will obviously sort out. You could argue it was a stupid business decision to unveil all that tech in such a visible car, but they wanted it to attract attention.
First model ALWAYS has issues. At least it looks most of it may be software and the car can be updated OTA so you won't have to take it to the dealer at least.
Other than having a good sun shade the only missing hardware I would like to see added so far is a physical display dim/off button. There are still plenty of road out there that I have to drive through that are not lit up at all where the paint is also worn off completely and sometimes have shear drop offs with no railing and with that much screen on the console it would trash my night vision.
Like they did with the Ford Focus and Festiva DCTs? They built the same crap for 6 years then got out of the car business. I was a Ford owner, I was sick and tired of being on class action suits.
Disagree. The best reviews come 2-3 years after daily driving. Never, ever, buy a new model of any car, especially a Ford and especially a fundamentally new platform. These are all beta cars and suckers who buy them are paying beta testers.
I went to a dealership yesterday in Norway and i saw the Key and it had a button to open the Frunk.. This seems to only be missing in Markets that have the Panic button.
It's weird that you have it this way in the US. I'm shopping for a Mach e here in Europe, and the drivetrain and battery is not connected to the glass roof in any way. The glass roof is an extra equipment, no matter which combination of four drivetrains/batteries you choose. Obviously the prices here start at $57k for the cheapest version with the smaller battery and RWD...
@@backlumchaam3688 with the base model in the USA you get a steel roof non extended range batteries and the base drive train. This is going to be our next car so I’ve been doing a lot of research on the different things in the different models. I want a glass roof AWD and the extended range battery so I have to go up to a premier to get those features.
To this day the keypad is one of the best things ever, no idea why more companies haven't adopted it? Jaguar really is the only one that kind of did something in the same vein with the bracelet thing you wear that opens the car.
I think Hyundai’s option is better with a key sliding out from the key fob incase the phone is dead. Keypad is just drawing attention and will make some try to guess the right code
I own a Mach-e first edition and my major complaint is the software for various features. I have yet to test the smart key with my phone because it's having trouble integrating, says my device (galaxy note20 ultra 5g) isn't compatible. My android auto took a while to connect at first. Once connected it'll automatically connect once km back to my vehicle. There was only one time that got confused with android auto and trying to switch to my satellite radio. I also noticed that the back/forward play button don't work with my SoundCloud app, but does with Napster app. Again, all while connected to android auto. Via Bluetooth, zero problems. As far as everything else including charging my vehicle I have no problems. Although I am still trying to figure out how to tie my payment to my vehicle so when I connect via electrify America it'll automatically detect my car and payment. So overall the software still needs plenty of work.
Fellow Mach E AWD 88Kwh owner here and I can confirm the inconsistencies with phone as a key function. Also, Apple car play was glitchy at first set up but now it works fine for some reason. I have no issues with the glass roof at all. It looks great and my kids love it too. As far as range, we got as little as 90 miles on a full charge a couple weeks ago during the deep midwest freeze. Approximate temps were single digit highs and negative lows on average. However, now that temps are back to about 50 to 60 degrees here in KC we are averaging about 230 to 240ish miles of range with aggressive driving. I've even seen the car reach 260 out of the advertised 270 range without really trying to achieve it. Really impressed with the car overall and wish we could buy a second in the grabber blue.
@@larryallin7404 The range does move around a bit with really cold weather. It got as low as - 5 in my garage during that 2.5 week cold front. I wasn't too surprised by the loss of range since it was so relentlessly cold and the car is designed to protect the batteries this way. I should also mention that we would always preheat the car in the garage and drive with the heat on pretty high during that period. Once we got a 220v charger installed about a week into that cold front we saw much better range as the temps normalized. I would say it improved to around 150 to 180 miles on average in 20 to 40 degree weather. Today it's 60 degrees here in KC and the car says about 245ish miles of range which is close to fords milage claim. Again to your point, extreme cold will have big impacts on your predicted range and that's something people in really cold places should consider. It doesnt bother us a bit here in the central midwest. We flat out love the car and would love to have a second one. Sorry for the long post.btw
Thx for the "10 ways to knitpick, about The Mach E".... I especially liked the one where you told FORD, they need to use unrealistic EPA figures, since Tesla does, while the rest of industry disagrees... Nice to know i'm not the only who has a different perspective from you on some issues.... But ofc as always is was nicely detailed, even,when the glitches failed to a present themselves... Looking forward to the Model Y comparison, which is where this channel is at its best.... Since it mostly just based test based facts...
@Nomen Clature I think they do. 2 years ago Ford and Volkswagen announced they would be platform sharing. Ford will build the next Amarok and Volkswagen would produce Ford's first global full electric vehicle. Even though they don't advertise it, I'd say this is that car.
@Nomen Clature yes so does the E-Tron and the Taycan but different wheel base does not mean they are not on a shared architecture or shared battery technology. VW's "MEB" system is modular so it can build any size battery, for any sized vehicle. Ford's Focus, Escape, and Bronco Sport all share a platform and all have different wheel bases. Maybe it's just the battery system and tech.
I found this very interesting! I currently have a 2017 Ford Escape. I have the no key found happen to me very frequently. Then I have to press the lock button on my fob for it to work. We have changed into a new battery for the key fob many times it still does the same thing. Maybe it’s an issue with the ford pass app issue since I can use that for my car to get in.
There's a dollar cost to the inefficiency of the Mach E. apart from the owner consuming more electricity to move it down the road, Ford have had to pay to put that 100 KWh battery into the car. That is $20,000 just in the battery pack. They are probably making a loss on them.
I have had my First Edition now for 2 weeks and have experienced every little FordPass and key problems which were mentioned. One thing that seems to help is ensuring your Bluetooth is connected before approaching the vehicle. But there certainly are gremlins anyway.?Especially when walking away from the vehicle. You cannot assume or trust that the car will lock itself. A new one I experienced yesterday was when I had a rear seat passenger and the middle seat seatbelt warning would not go off until I shut the car off and turned it back on. Am going to try just latching that belt in the future and see if it stays off.
I think the CarPlay issue is an issue when using it wirelessly. I have a wireless CarPlay interface in my Porsche but it rarely actually works wireless. Always works when plugged in however.
It’s the phone, not the car. Apple keeps glitching CarPlay in their software updates. I get much better sound quality on wireless iPhone 6s than on Xs in the current iteration.
As someone who works in new product development (not automotive) I usually wait a bit before buying a new anything. Of course that doesn't help Alex, whose job is to test new things. Interestingly though, the phone app, car play, and infotainment should be able to be fixed via software hopefully.
No heat pump, no sale. Even the Leaf has a heat pump. The Leaf is a pretty nice EV as long as a person doesn't need to fast charge twice in a day (see aircooled battery).
Appreciate your honesty in even doing a video like this Alex. It reinforces my person belief to never buy the first model year of anything, even Toyota...so they can work out the inevitable flaws that only show up with day to day use by the consumer.
Cheapest MachE is $35k after federal tax credit. Cheapest ModelY is $49k and has no credit. Not sure if Alex is adding some dealer-specific incentive to get to a $16k difference.
Really enjoy your videos, they have a lot of good information. Reviews from people like yourself helped me to decide to get the Kia Niro EV. On this video I disagree that Ford needs to change how they calculate their range. You said they need to change it to match everyone else and then you said like Tesla. In my opinion Tesla is the odd one out. My Niro EV has en EPA estimated range of 239 miles but real world is actually 270 to 280. They under promised and over delivered. Tesla over promises and under delivers and they are the one that needs to change. Thanks again for all of the videos you do.
Alex, what are those flashing lights that are between the steering wheel and display that you can see at 2:14? Are the lights in case the display doesn't work? I originally thought that was some pre-production safety lights, but since you have a production model, this can't be. Thanks in advance for your answer!
The Apple car play thing is a definitely a problem. Another problem we ran into was that the SiriusXM stopped working in the middle of a drive. We called SiriusXM and they said it wasn’t a problem with them. The next day we get in the car and the Sirius is back. I think the software is just a little touchy right now
Thanks for this and if those are the only things wrong that is a great thing. Also doesn't the mach-e's front trunk have an emergency release the green square? Also, I think Ford being honest about the range is a great thing and an honest selling point over tesla. Tesla's management is really the worst thing about their cars.
I think the legislative reason you’re referring to about the frunk divider is that Ford has to either divide the space up or put an emergency release latch on the inside due to its dimensions.
I have only heard of issues with the tech. Things dropping connection, compatibility issues, software glitches. Hopefully Ford fixes this quickly but it seems rushed as is. The forums haven't offered a solution to these issues yet sadly.
Ford's already planning to switch from the QNX based system they're debuting with this and the F150 and the Bronco, to a Google Auto based system for '24 models. So that raises a theory that the system is a misstep for them. Hopefully they can update the system to be better in the meantime though.
I have rwd extended range. The range in the winter in NY is about half of epa advertised range which I believe is 305. I was getting 305 in summer. I car feels solid. The ride somewhat firm due to weight of automobile. I phone as a key is finicky as mentioned in video. I enjoy riding the car which has very good acceleration. If you charge at public station you will need to unplug at 80% state of charge because the rate of charge drops off significantly from 80 to 100%. I only charge to 90% for battery maintenance reasons. The interior is comfortable and handling excellent. I love one pedal driving.
I’ve had the phone as key issue with my model 3 since I bought it back in 2019…no updates to fix it from Tesla. I even upgraded my phone and the issue persists
The frunk divider and lack of a remote electronic release must have to do with some legal issue with the mechanism that Ford said they are trying to resolve. I'm guessing it has to be related to the escape button inside the trunk being electronic and therefore potentially being disabled with a dead battery or in an accident. Since the manual interior double pull release is no different than a traditional engine hood release so it must get a pass when used in combination with the divider.
@@cwqrpportable well considering i work at a ford plant and i get A plan discount I probably could afford it, but why would i do that at 19 years old? Stop hatin.
Do you still have your Tesla? The Auto Unlock feature in my Tesla is also not 100% every time. (You just need to add AirBlue to the roof, it cuts down on the heat by 90%).
Have to disagree with your take on the ‘play the game everyone is playing’. Ford is in a way playing the game with a different strategy: be realistic and aim for customer satisfaction. It’s the EPA that needs to sort their system out instead of giving manufacturers a choice in what test they run.
I think 16000 different will be unfair, when you compare similar equiped which you used to say on other video, mach e premium is really the similar equiped to model y, at 230 miles it is 47000, after 7500 tax rebate, it is 39500. And tesla model y stand range which you can still order one on tesla website today is 39990(i ordered one this week). I know they are discontinue this standard range for now, but i still like people know they are similar priced at this moment.
I’m a stickler for quiet cabin and man the model Y was noisy for my standards. Granted, I’ve used German luxury cars and my daily’s, but still! Surprised by how noisy it was.
@@Sleepyboiwonder new active noise cancellation in S and X plus now dual laminated windows. My 18' X is a bit noisy but the stereo is so good, I never notice
What kind of cell phone do you use? Some cheapened cell phones have bad bluebooth and wifi antennas. I found this out when I tried to replace an iPhone with a MetroPCS phone, then used a newer iPhone to compare. The bluetooth was horrid by comparison when connecting to devices.
I would rather few tesla adhere there EPA rating to how most of the auto manufactures do it, more realistically lately, than have everyone start playing a game and the consumer loses out (like the old EPA ratings used to be). My niro ev is pretty much right on the EPA rating on average
I'm no fan of Tesla.... but it's EPA fault (not Tesla) for allowing, so many different ways to calculate the figures... just look at how Porshe electing to reduce its range... www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html
@@cherch tesla "games" the estimates by actually performing all the EPA suggested testing. Ford skipped many of those and by doing so are obligated to use a "coefficient" to multiply with the standard required tests results. Ford should simply do the whole battery of test so that cars can better be compared between themselves. The WLTP range rating is even more generous than the EPA in Europe, but it's not an issue because manufacturers have to do all the required testing, not just a subset of all tests and everyone is happy.
Yes, you can get a steel roof in the Mach E, my bad there. However its only in the base trim , all others will have the glass roof.
Good to hear, I’m not a fan of the glass roofs either.
Yet another silly trend which causes more problems for little/no gain - just like everything being controlled by a screen and auto-brake systems which hit the brakes when going past a parked car.
On the arguing with Ford about the range calculations - I would say it would be better to get Tesla to do Fords testing since that seems to be more realistic. Maybe its time for the EPA to move the goalposts like Europe going from NEDC to WLTP?
I think the GT will have a steel roof as well.
I have some more complains, mostly with software. And it's a bit clunky.
Can Ford OTA updates to the OS?
To those who run out to the buy “the first” model of everything, THANKS for taking hit and reporting all the bugs to be fixed in the next models 👍🏾
As an owner of a ‘21 Rav4 Hybrid with ZERO issues with it, I agree. Thanks guys!
Also, thanks to the paratroopers who choose to jump out of perfectly good C-17s. Yes, the pilots do know how to land and yes, they’re aware they’re off drop zone target. 😉
I guess someone’s gotta buy the last run of a generation before the new gen comes out 😁
lol this is a Ford it well never be better regardless of model year. They have been building gas Mustang's for decades. Yet my 2021 Mustang GT premium was a big lemon. I could live with the cheap plastic interior and glitchy electronics but the 6 speed manual transmission was just garbage! Fortunately I was able to sell it and buy a real car from another manufacturer. It's no wonder Ford stopped building cars...I'll never buy another Ford...EVER! th-cam.com/video/MRjeVINUPUw/w-d-xo.html
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@@DarrellC. well played!😂
I just picked up my Mach-E yesterday. So far, so good. Overall, I am impressed. I appreciate your candor in this video. I think if people are honest, there isn't any car out there that they wouldn't have at least a few gripes about.
curious why you did not get model y? mach-E is worst in every way.
@@Rhyme905 I can think of a few ways it’s better than the Y...
@@vroooom how so?
@@vroooom i saw reviews on it and the charging speeds were lower than rated, the charger network themselves is 3rd party so some weren't working in the review vs. tesla similar probs can happen but its more consistent b/c its self owned and operated not relying on others. also, the screen and overall controls are faster and quicker, the Mach-E screen is laggy even in 2021
@@joshuatalavera4210 biggest one... one looks fantastic and the other looks like... a catfish with a pantyhose on it’s face?
The Ford securicode door keypad is one of the smartest "little" things. I've had it now on my Taurus SHO and two F-150s and it is so useful. I hope they keep it forever.
It’s brilliant, and Ford’s been doing it since the early ‘80’s-kinda shocking it gets so little press.
It’s absolutely awesome! I love it and the keyless Solution that Jaguar off with the wristband watch. More auto maker’s need to offer genuine solutions like these.
Yes I have one in my Mercury Grand Marquis. It's a Wonderful feature I use it all the time. I've always been surprised no other manufacturers have adopted it.
Me too!
Yeah, my 85 maxima had it too.
Overwhelmingly the Ford Mach-E gets high marks from the industry. Kudos to Ford for not just "phoning it in" as they could have but actually taking their time to do it right. I wish them the best of luck.
Life is never a waste
Why not ask Tesla to be honest about their calculations instead of asking Ford to fudge theirs?
Probably because Tesla is the leader and thus the reviewer is used to that standard but I agree. Tesla needs to stop.
The very reason car reviewers annoy me. That don’t really know about the industry or cars. They know gimmick things
Why not ask the EPA to produce a more strict guideline for calculating EPA range? Don't have the player, hate the game.
but they matched their epa estimates as edmunds had to learn from the tesla team to include it's buffer zone for the calculation. now they didn't exceed them like some other car brands, but they definitely aren't lying.
Thank you!
I disagree on following Tesla's way to do their EPA range estimations. The rest of the industry isn't doing that, ask Tesla be more conservative instead.
He is suggesting Ford game the EPA estimates because Tesla games the EPA estimates.
And why would they? If that makes their numbers look better?
Also, at this point in the EV world - 'the rest of the industry' is Tesla. They literally sell more vehicles than all other competitors combined and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
you forget that ford is actually the little guy in the EV space.
I agree. Tesla’s number is very optimistic, GM’s 259mi range is surprisingly spot on so long as you’re obviously not flooring it.
@@truantray Tesla doesn't game the epa estimates. If you drive the epa cycle, you wil get the epa range. Just like with mpg.
They are not for 75mph on the freeway.
If you drive 50mph you will get the epa ranges.
I am having second thoughts about the frunk divider. i initially thought it was a terrible idea, but given the generous space in the rear, i think i will keep mine and use it to store things like my portable air compressor, first aid kit, an extra bottle of wiper fluid and other things that tend to fly all over the place in a trunk or hatch,
Yeah, it just keeps your stuff from rolling around. Unless I go on vacation or something I would probably keep it too.
6:50: I disagree. One of the biggest problems with EV’s and what is putting people away from buying one is the fact that car manufacturers keep announcing range that you can not get on real life driving, What I want is a car manufacture that is true about this numbers so I can make a really informed purchase. So if Ford tells me that range is 250 miles and than, that’s what I get on real life, it makes it a more trustworthy company and, therefore I more willing to give them my money.
Yes. The better the range estimate the less range anxiety, the more acceptance.
1. Phone as key seems to be consistent IF the Ford Pass app is running, not optimal yeah.
2. 2022 resolved the extra key issue, Ford assumed you'd use the phone as key as the extra key, I agree with you about the frunk release.
3. I wish I had those dividers, some models don't have that.
4. Fixed with updates
5. No sunroof in mine, but I agree this should have sunshade.
6. No issues with range and I have the smaller pack.
7. No issues with the tires
8. Ground clearance is the same as the gas Mustang. Wouldn't mind a higher clearance, but im not planning on going off road with mine.
Over all, I really love mine.
Regarding Apple Car Play problem: I had similar issues on my Explorer Platinum 2020. The dealer easily fixed it by installing an update, so now it works perfectly fine
My 2018 Fusion Titanium still frequently kicks me off Android Auto for no explainable reason. Even the dealer couldn't figure out why.
Thankfully I have integrated Navi so I just don't bother.
Agreed about the glass roof. I've spent enough time with the glass roof in the Model Y to wish for an opaque metal roof instead. I would gladly give up an inch of headroom in exchange for proper insulation and getting the damn sunlight off my face.
The good thing is that the glass roof is optional on the Mach E.
@@DanielBlaney. Yes, because I saw 1 on The internet for sale. But only 1.
@@DanielBlaney Not if you don't want the base model
Have the roof glass tinted with a INFRARED REJECTION tint and the issue is 100% resolved.
Yeah a transition roof would be nice. I used to have a smart for two EV and even that car had a shade I could pull out to cover the underside of the glass roof. I had plenty of issues with that care but the roof was a smart choice.
Wow - "Ford should just try to game the system as Tesla" - how about "Tesla should be called out for not putting realistic numbers"
Your complaint with the trunk divider is just Fords way to legally get around putting a child safety release in that compartment. The NHTSA sets the size of any closed space like a trunk or frunk at 35″ long x 15″ height x 12″ wide or 89 cm x 38 cm x 30 cm. Anything this size or larger can fit a small child, so it needs to have a safety release to allow them to escape. I think the release is still there but it looks like an electric button and not a mechanical latch, not sure why they did that.
Could you please do a video/explanation of the buying process and the finance/purchase options and how you structured yours? Thanks.
Our model 3 takes forever to unlock. Most of the time I have to pull my phone out to unlock in the app.
thats not normal, nor a good experience. rec fully reboot car, or schedule service apt.
I’ve heard that it depends on what version of BT your phone has
@@bob15479 oh man, great call (same issue in my acura in the past). if android, check developer options for BT AVRCP version and see if a different one helps.
Thats a model 3 for you lmao, there junk built quality is crap, you should have not bought a tesla model 3 shame on you..
@@laloajuria4678 I have a note 9 and my wife has an iPhone 11.both have the problem. Although thinking about it, most of the time it happens when we are at home
The question is will Ford listen and do something about the issues. What about body panel alignment, paint issues, creaking and wind noise?
Doubtful
All of those things are OK and better than Tesla
I've never heard of any paint issues in the Mach-E. I have heard of rare body-panel alignment issues. No creaking. I have *heard* of people complaining of wind-noise at high-speed but I'm wondering if that's real. I only hear moderate wind noise in mine *only* if I'm doing 70+ mph ... no more than I hear in any other car I've driven.
I suspect Ford has a LOT riding on this car. I also think it is going to be a BIG hit! With those 2 things in mind, I am very optimistic that Ford will fix any problems in their control!
A on A is the gold standard of auto reviews. Why don't auto manufacturers have you review their models before production to eliminate some of those annoying problems?
Totally disagree about “playing the game”. Being honest and giving the customer more than they expected puts Ford above the competition.
I actually like the more conservative approach to Ford's estimate. I feels more like they are being honest with us about the range and I appreciate that. Besides I know for a fact there are some people out there who raise a huge stink if they do not hit the estimates 85%+ of the time even when they are the type to flog what they drive daily. They will die on that mole hill all day long.
Ford had been sued for their over estimated mileage estimates in the past.
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@@toolrulz8005 you must be in 5th grade, right
The only reason they are doing that is because if they try to game the system like Tesla they will still end up losing horribly. Which would then look a lot worst than it does now.
FWIW the phone as a key (PAAK) has worked flawlessly every time on our Mach-E, but I do think it should work 100% of the time for all buyers if they're only going to give you only 1 fob. Nobody should ever be stuck in a dark empty parking lot at night trying unsuccessfully to start their car cuz it won't recognize the phone. Ford should at least offer a second fob at no cost if you want one. However, the fact that this car lets you enter AND drive it just with passcodes only (no phone or fob needed) is a fantastic backup that means you'll never be stranded. Regarding the roof, I had an I-Pace previously and live in southern california and have never had any issues with sun or being hot inside due to no shade in that or the Mach-E. They insulate the glass pretty well and it's never bothered us in either car even on the sunniest of days. A retractable shade would be nice but just another thing that would add to the MSRP....there are already aftermarket solutions availabile for those that want them. And when comparing to the I-Pace, yes it has much better ground clearance and more head room but it's literally $20k more expensive and wayyyy less reliable with a terrible infotainment by comparison (even the new Pivi Pro stinks compared to SYNC 4a). Our I-Pace was so unreliable Jaguar bought it back after 6 months. I'm very happy to have the Mach-E for $20k less with much better build quality.
I found on our Model Y that the issue can be the phone rather than the car. If the phone is in deep “sleep”, Bluetooth is also is “sleeping” so the car can’t pick up the phone. Now I turn my phone right side up to get it out of sleep, and it works as the key every time.
@@ng7216 That is a good point about the phone. I usually leave both my iPhone and Android in some sort of medium power mode because of how bad some of the background services like to suck the battery dry.
@@ng7216 Yep, I would be anything that this is a phone issue people are having.
As a 50 year old juvenile I enjoy the word 'frunk.'
In England do they call it a Froot?
@@tomrossman9371 Bonnet, man
We just bought a late model 2021 Mach E and it came with 2 key fobs. We have had it 20 days and love it.
Two comments:
1. The last time I owned a Ford product (1989 Lincoln Continental), it had one of those numbered keypads on the driver's door. The advantage of this was that keys (we had keys then) could be locked inside the car when swimming or jogging, and then we could get back into the car, find the keys, and drive away. Unfortunately, this being a relatively unreliable car, the car would unexplainably forget the keypad entry code from time to time. So I learned not to trust locking my keys inside, just in case the keypad code didn't work when I returned to the car. So much for that being helpful.
2. My Lexus sedan with a panoramic roof has a motorized opaque panel that can be extended inside to insulate against the harsh sun. Why couldn't Ford have supplied such a simple solution in the Mach E?
If you are planning to drive them caravan style (in serial), than whichever car is in the lead will run out of juice first because it is reducing wind resistance for the car following behind.
I had all of the software issues you mentioned regarding the phone key, carplay and buggy software but I got an over the air update and all of it has been fixed.
I think it's a great car and it has outperformed my expectations. I bought the 300 mi range version and I'm getting at least 340 miles which is great because Tesla's always get less than the advertised amount.
It would be nice to see a video that compares the prices, sizes, and major specs of all of the 5 door EV's available in America these days.
Much like non-EV cars, they fall into different categories.
Alex, I enjoy your videos because you are impartial and raise important details. Good stuff, and thanks for keeping up.
I agree Alex - I do not want a vehicle with a huge glass roof or one of those panoramic sunroofs. The all glass roofs let in too much light and heat, while the panoramic sunroofs are prone to mechanical failure. The regular sized sunroof on my current car gets used a few times a year at night because I can't stand the amount of light it lets in during the daytime (even on an overcast day).
When you do that range comparison vs the model Y, make sure go change up which car is leading. The one following will have the aerodynamic advantage, which extends a surprising distance backwards.
Or swap between leaders.
That's exactly what the original comment said. LoL
It's range comparison not time. So, just start drive both car 5 mins apart from each other. No confusing swap need.
@@mukamuka0 Exactly because if one car is following another and for the same time traveling. The one in the slipstream will have more efficiently traveled so its range would be longer than driving on its own. So a swap of which car is following is needed if they are close to each other during the test.
Mythbusters did tests on this, but they had to be really close (like 10 feet or less) to get a noticeable difference. Just follow 100 feet or more and there would be no difference.
I agree with most of your complaints as I’ve experienced the same issues. However seeing as how unreliable and unrealistic my Tesla 3’s range is, I’m glad Ford choose a more real world range expectation. Overall I prefer my Mach E over my Tesla 3, and I’m hoping Ford can resolve the minor connectivity issues with PAAK(phone as a key) and the interface with the Sync 4 screen.
Please do a review and demo of the Ford copilot 360 like you did with the super cruise.
My wife's 3 has had the same issue with the phone. It takes a completely random amount of time to unlock. Sometimes instantly, sometimes 20-30 seconds. Like it rolls a dice and decides how long its going to make you wait this time.
Yep happens occasionally. In my case I bet more than half the time it's my phone's battery saving functions. Usually if I pull out my phone and turn on the screen the door will open. If I get that far I go ahead and just put my phone to the pillar and unlock it with NFC.
@@Crazypostman Turning on the display of the phone works for me too!
According to my brother it is an Iphone issue. His wife's Iphone glitches and works at random on the Model 3, my brothers Samsung Galaxy works every single time without issues.
Isn't Audi E-tron an EV option on air suspension providing decent ground clearance for mild off-roading besides Jaguar iPace as well?
5.8 to 8.8 inches on the Etron. The best-kept EV secret considering what you get for Model Y money and a 25k discount from Model X. Oh and a full glass roof with a retractable shade too.
@@Ficon Model Y has low ground clearance for areas where it snows a lot. Perhaps Model X has air suspension and a more decent clearance. Jaguar iPace luggage compartment is too small.
@@nevco8774 Model X is similar to E-tron. I-Pace is shaped like a weird hotdog and really compromised.
@@Ficon Yet Model X is a coupe thus has less practicality than an Audi Etron. Besides one can buy a preown less than 10,000 miles odometer even dealer certified with warranty Etron for less than 60000 USD while for this money only an old 75D high around 100000 miles Model X can be bought. At that mileage definitely falcon wing doors will have problems and the battery will have serious degradation issies in Model X.
@@nevco8774 A brand new E-tron can be had for 55k after tax credits. Model Y money for a much nicer car in every way.
Being brutally honest is just the Ford way. I can tell you that after 25 years at engineering in Dearborn. The only thing to do is deal with it as we say in michigan. Best wishes. As for computer glitches, they'll get it right eventually. On that issue you are very correct in bring that attention to all. Blessings.
Greetings from Warren :)
So would you recommend buying it or wait till Ford has all the kinks worked out?
should we add moose test failure as 11th? Also, I feel like weight and charging speed is more relevant than actual battery pack size. for daily any size will do, on the road efficiency and speed of charging (ionic 5) is more relevant
Alex, this is the best complaining video I’ve ever watched .. I truly appreciate honest and constructive feedback ..
Just a few things I know you know this by now .. the Mach E select and GT only comes in solid aluminum roof .. no glass,
also I think you should do a temperature test because in my model 3 I feel allot more sun heat from the glass roof them in the Mach E,
I may also do a video on this .. but yeah it’s not perfect but it’s better than other glass roof keeping out the sun temps ..
As for EPA I think The government needs to change how all that is done completely.. it’s all over the place look at the Taycan omg EPA did a number on them ..
Alex great 👍 content! More please..
Marques Brownlee did a pretty good review of this car, the Tesla Model S and an Audi gas car for control. The problem they ran into with the Ford was the charging infrastructure. At one point there were in rural upstate NY and had to drive to Vermont to get the nearest charging station! The Ford continually routed them to chargers that were broken, info that you could find out from the web. So whatever system Ford uses doesn't have up to date info regarding what charges are available (and working).
Any chance you'd get the VW ID.4 to test/compare?
A lot of this seems like early software quirks that can and will be ironed out in a few months with updates.
Unfortunately the consumer ends up doing the testing.
@@dsan2509 unfortunately most new hardware from anything, the consumer always ends up being the guinea pigs
@@dsan2509 It comes with the territory. No matter how thorough you are in designing and testing a product, you're never going to be able to account for all the scenarios that consumers will end up using the product. As was said though, it looks like the typical quirks you'll find in the first model and since the car can be updated OTA, it probably won't require a trip to the dealer to resolve.
The ability to do software updates doesn’t mean they will devote the money and resources to actually push meaningful updates
@@MiaSoreryOF they are putting billions of dollars into this, a simple software update isn't going to stop a good hardware from excelling.
Looking forward to more feedback on your new car, mine is due in about 12 weeks. tinting is on the to-do list now.
Another complaint is the surprising lack of an electrically controlled tilt/reach steering wheel. The seats, mirrors and infotainment settings are keyed to particular drivers, but you have to manually wrestle the steering wheel for reach and tilt. My wife hates it.
Long time viewer/sub. Always appreciate your fact/observations filled reviews
Some of these complaints are subjective, and some are just nit picky. When one of your complaints is that it comes with a divider in the front trunk we can tell you were searching for things to include on the list. At least none of these issues is anything I would consider a deal breaker so I appreciate the video for that.
All cars go through teething problems, I hope they listen to the consumers and fix these issues.
@Beelzebot So, just like Tesla then? Let the owner work through the beta software and apply constant OTA updates to fix things?
@Beelzebot : that’s a BS cheap shot. The ICE engine problems you’re referring to I assume are some of the ecoboost products-those things are jammed with tech, and other manufacturers using similar tech have similar problems. Their NA engines, like the 2.5 in my hybrid escape, are basically bulletproof.
The issues Alex is reporting are just brand new flashy tech which they will obviously sort out. You could argue it was a stupid business decision to unveil all that tech in such a visible car, but they wanted it to attract attention.
First model ALWAYS has issues. At least it looks most of it may be software and the car can be updated OTA so you won't have to take it to the dealer at least.
Other than having a good sun shade the only missing hardware I would like to see added so far is a physical display dim/off button. There are still plenty of road out there that I have to drive through that are not lit up at all where the paint is also worn off completely and sometimes have shear drop offs with no railing and with that much screen on the console it would trash my night vision.
Like they did with the Ford Focus and Festiva DCTs? They built the same crap for 6 years then got out of the car business. I was a Ford owner, I was sick and tired of being on class action suits.
Put one or 2 bags of groceries in the front and let me know how quick you reinstall the frunk divider.
The best car reviews usually come after the first 2-3 weeks of real life everyday ownership. Otherwise, you're just getting "brochure" review.
Dude really couldn't wait...
I agree
Great take.
Disagree. The best reviews come 2-3 years after daily driving. Never, ever, buy a new model of any car, especially a Ford and especially a fundamentally new platform. These are all beta cars and suckers who buy them are paying beta testers.
The honeymoon period really needs to end first.
I went to a dealership yesterday in Norway and i saw the Key and it had a button to open the Frunk.. This seems to only be missing in Markets that have the Panic button.
God knows you'll never need a panic button, in Norway 🤭🤭🤭👍
They do offer a regular steel roof if you go with the base model with the base drive train and batteries.
It's weird that you have it this way in the US. I'm shopping for a Mach e here in Europe, and the drivetrain and battery is not connected to the glass roof in any way. The glass roof is an extra equipment, no matter which combination of four drivetrains/batteries you choose. Obviously the prices here start at $57k for the cheapest version with the smaller battery and RWD...
@@backlumchaam3688 with the base model in the USA you get a steel roof non extended range batteries and the base drive train. This is going to be our next car so I’ve been doing a lot of research on the different things in the different models. I want a glass roof AWD and the extended range battery so I have to go up to a premier to get those features.
To this day the keypad is one of the best things ever, no idea why more companies haven't adopted it? Jaguar really is the only one that kind of did something in the same vein with the bracelet thing you wear that opens the car.
Nissan did it back in the 90’s on the Maximas. Really great feature. So glad Ford still does it.
I agree! I owned/still own several FoMoCo vehicles and the key pad is an OUTSTANDING, versatile convenience!!
I think Hyundai’s option is better with a key sliding out from the key fob incase the phone is dead. Keypad is just drawing attention and will make some try to guess the right code
I own a Mach-e first edition and my major complaint is the software for various features. I have yet to test the smart key with my phone because it's having trouble integrating, says my device (galaxy note20 ultra 5g) isn't compatible. My android auto took a while to connect at first. Once connected it'll automatically connect once km back to my vehicle. There was only one time that got confused with android auto and trying to switch to my satellite radio. I also noticed that the back/forward play button don't work with my SoundCloud app, but does with Napster app. Again, all while connected to android auto. Via Bluetooth, zero problems.
As far as everything else including charging my vehicle I have no problems. Although I am still trying to figure out how to tie my payment to my vehicle so when I connect via electrify America it'll automatically detect my car and payment.
So overall the software still needs plenty of work.
Yes the Glass roof thing is cute, but at times not, Practical. Manufactures should give a Sunroof or Shade options...
For their first bespoke effort, I think it’s great. They will work out the SW kinks
Fellow Mach E AWD 88Kwh owner here and I can confirm the inconsistencies with phone as a key function. Also, Apple car play was glitchy at first set up but now it works fine for some reason. I have no issues with the glass roof at all. It looks great and my kids love it too. As far as range, we got as little as 90 miles on a full charge a couple weeks ago during the deep midwest freeze. Approximate temps were single digit highs and negative lows on average. However, now that temps are back to about 50 to 60 degrees here in KC we are averaging about 230 to 240ish miles of range with aggressive driving. I've even seen the car reach 260 out of the advertised 270 range without really trying to achieve it. Really impressed with the car overall and wish we could buy a second in the grabber blue.
You lost 2/3 of range in cold weather. Wow that has to be the worst I have heard of.
@@larryallin7404 The range does move around a bit with really cold weather. It got as low as - 5 in my garage during that 2.5 week cold front. I wasn't too surprised by the loss of range since it was so relentlessly cold and the car is designed to protect the batteries this way. I should also mention that we would always preheat the car in the garage and drive with the heat on pretty high during that period. Once we got a 220v charger installed about a week into that cold front we saw much better range as the temps normalized. I would say it improved to around 150 to 180 miles on average in 20 to 40 degree weather. Today it's 60 degrees here in KC and the car says about 245ish miles of range which is close to fords milage claim. Again to your point, extreme cold will have big impacts on your predicted range and that's something people in really cold places should consider. It doesnt bother us a bit here in the central midwest. We flat out love the car and would love to have a second one. Sorry for the long post.btw
Thx for the "10 ways to knitpick, about The Mach E".... I especially liked the one where you told FORD, they need to use unrealistic EPA figures, since Tesla does, while the rest of industry disagrees... Nice to know i'm not the only who has a different perspective from you on some issues....
But ofc as always is was nicely detailed, even,when the glitches failed to a present themselves...
Looking forward to the Model Y comparison, which is where this channel is at its best.... Since it mostly just based test based facts...
Same thing happens with my Ford C-Max with it not always recognizing my key. Must be something with the Ford software.
Good old half baked buggy software, looks like ID.4 has its share of bugs too. (see Engineering Explained).
Id like to see a minimalist EV.
The ID.4 and the Mach-E are platform sisters. I prefer the Mustang.
@Nomen Clature I think they do. 2 years ago Ford and Volkswagen announced they would be platform sharing. Ford will build the next Amarok and Volkswagen would produce Ford's first global full electric vehicle. Even though they don't advertise it, I'd say this is that car.
@Nomen Clature yes so does the E-Tron and the Taycan but different wheel base does not mean they are not on a shared architecture or shared battery technology. VW's "MEB" system is modular so it can build any size battery, for any sized vehicle.
Ford's Focus, Escape, and Bronco Sport all share a platform and all have different wheel bases. Maybe it's just the battery system and tech.
@@jaya1000 The Kandi Model K27 at 9999 $ is for you
I found this very interesting! I currently have a 2017 Ford Escape. I have the no key found happen to me very frequently. Then I have to press the lock button on my fob for it to work. We have changed into a new battery for the key fob many times it still does the same thing. Maybe it’s an issue with the ford pass app issue since I can use that for my car to get in.
There's a dollar cost to the inefficiency of the Mach E. apart from the owner consuming more electricity to move it down the road, Ford have had to pay to put that 100 KWh battery into the car. That is $20,000 just in the battery pack. They are probably making a loss on them.
Thats what i was thinking after this, they may have an "efficient" ranged vehicle at the cost of inefficient margins. Slow clap ford...
I have had my First Edition now for 2 weeks and have experienced every little FordPass and key problems which were mentioned. One thing that seems to help is ensuring your Bluetooth is connected before approaching the vehicle. But there certainly are gremlins anyway.?Especially when walking away from the vehicle. You cannot assume or trust that the car will lock itself.
A new one I experienced yesterday was when I had a rear seat passenger and the middle seat seatbelt warning would not go off until I shut the car off and turned it back on. Am going to try just latching that belt in the future and see if it stays off.
You can disable the "rear seat passenger warning" in the settings menu
I think the CarPlay issue is an issue when using it wirelessly. I have a wireless CarPlay interface in my Porsche but it rarely actually works wireless. Always works when plugged in however.
Let’s hope that iPhone 13 won’t get rid of the lightning port if this is the reliability we can expect out of wireless CarPlay
Works 95% of the time in my MINI Countryman, and I NEVER use a lightning cable.
@@darexdarex But I’ll bet plugging it in will work 100% of the time. 95 is still enough to be annoying when you’re trying to drive.
It’s the phone, not the car. Apple keeps glitching CarPlay in their software updates. I get much better sound quality on wireless iPhone 6s than on Xs in the current iteration.
Another car review channel - that's all we need... But I love that opening vanity tag - very cool. And a shirt to match!! This is a good presentation.
As someone who works in new product development (not automotive) I usually wait a bit before buying a new anything. Of course that doesn't help Alex, whose job is to test new things. Interestingly though, the phone app, car play, and infotainment should be able to be fixed via software hopefully.
No heat pump, no sale. Even the Leaf has a heat pump. The Leaf is a pretty nice EV as long as a person doesn't need to fast charge twice in a day (see aircooled battery).
Yeah, that was big issue for me
Appreciate your honesty in even doing a video like this Alex.
It reinforces my person belief to never buy the first model year of anything, even Toyota...so they can work out the inevitable flaws that only show up with day to day use by the consumer.
Never buy a Ford
Regarding the glass roof, that is the chief reason why I booked VW ID.4. It provides an automatic sliding screen.
Yes, I don't care for glass roofs, moon roofs, and low profile sport tires.
I'm concerned about what it will be like here in the hot Texas summer sun. We'll see. I guess there is always the Krylon rattle-can alternative :-)
@@Miata822 Yeah, I gues you could do that LOL...but I'd rather it just come with a regular steel roof....not even a moonroof either.
@@ccupp2 Having once been in a rollover accident I concur.
How did you calculate the price differential between MachE and Model Y Tesla?
Cheapest MachE is $35k after federal tax credit. Cheapest ModelY is $49k and has no credit. Not sure if Alex is adding some dealer-specific incentive to get to a $16k difference.
the breakdown for the cost of his MachE was in a previous post
Really enjoy your videos, they have a lot of good information. Reviews from people like yourself helped me to decide to get the Kia Niro EV. On this video I disagree that Ford needs to change how they calculate their range. You said they need to change it to match everyone else and then you said like Tesla. In my opinion Tesla is the odd one out. My Niro EV has en EPA estimated range of 239 miles but real world is actually 270 to 280. They under promised and over delivered. Tesla over promises and under delivers and they are the one that needs to change. Thanks again for all of the videos you do.
The price with the tax credit makes it very competitive. Fix the kinks and charging network.
Slowly, but surely. I've found Electrify- America to be the best so far, Blink had a large number but they are all slow chargers.
The EPA needs to release two range #'s for EV's: city and hwy; like they do with ICE vehicles and fuel efficiency.
I agree 100%! 👍
Alex, what are those flashing lights that are between the steering wheel and display that you can see at 2:14? Are the lights in case the display doesn't work? I originally thought that was some pre-production safety lights, but since you have a production model, this can't be. Thanks in advance for your answer!
If Ford played the game they would get sued again for over estimating the range of their Mach-e & lawyers would cite the C-Max as a precedent.
Why has Tesla not been sued?
@@anthonycbrown1952 HAHAHA true.
The Apple car play thing is a definitely a problem. Another problem we ran into was that the SiriusXM stopped working in the middle of a drive. We called SiriusXM and they said it wasn’t a problem with them. The next day we get in the car and the Sirius is back. I think the software is just a little touchy right now
Wow I was expecting much worse complaints 😂
People grip about anything this days. People are spoiled. They need to go back 100 years in time to see what it was like.
I agree over all this car seems good.
Like something mechanical or tires falling off? Not moving? Bad paint? Battery blows up? This sucks. Not a mustang.
My 95 mustang has way more space in my trunk. 3x bigger.
Does the dash give you real time Miles per Kw efficiency while driving? What does it average while you're doing 60-70mph on a flat road?
Thanks for this and if those are the only things wrong that is a great thing. Also doesn't the mach-e's front trunk have an emergency release the green square? Also, I think Ford being honest about the range is a great thing and an honest selling point over tesla. Tesla's management is really the worst thing about their cars.
I think the legislative reason you’re referring to about the frunk divider is that Ford has to either divide the space up or put an emergency release latch on the inside due to its dimensions.
It has an emergency release
I have only heard of issues with the tech. Things dropping connection, compatibility issues, software glitches. Hopefully Ford fixes this quickly but it seems rushed as is. The forums haven't offered a solution to these issues yet sadly.
Ford's already planning to switch from the QNX based system they're debuting with this and the F150 and the Bronco, to a Google Auto based system for '24 models. So that raises a theory that the system is a misstep for them. Hopefully they can update the system to be better in the meantime though.
I have rwd extended range. The range in the winter in NY is about half of epa advertised range which I believe is 305. I was getting 305 in summer. I car feels solid. The ride somewhat firm due to weight of automobile.
I phone as a key is finicky as mentioned in video. I enjoy riding the car which has very good acceleration. If you charge at public station you will need to unplug at 80% state of charge because the rate of charge drops off significantly from 80 to 100%. I only charge to 90% for battery maintenance reasons. The interior is comfortable and handling excellent. I love one pedal driving.
I'm glad to hear solid roof available, hopefully the bugs can get worked out while the tax credits are still available.
I think the no key issue is a firmware issue. It happens with my Fusion all the time as well.
I appreciate that you're the tester here. Never but the first year folks.
I’ve had the phone as key issue with my model 3 since I bought it back in 2019…no updates to fix it from Tesla. I even upgraded my phone and the issue persists
I'm not impressed at the one in my Hyundai Kona either..
Why don’t manufacturers consult with you? You certainly have a gift of objectivity and usability.
greed
The frunk divider and lack of a remote electronic release must have to do with some legal issue with the mechanism that Ford said they are trying to resolve. I'm guessing it has to be related to the escape button inside the trunk being electronic and therefore potentially being disabled with a dead battery or in an accident. Since the manual interior double pull release is no different than a traditional engine hood release so it must get a pass when used in combination with the divider.
This is why i waited... gonna wait a few more years till they get all the issues looked over a fixed and then I’ll be purchasing 🤠
LMAO. You just bought a 20 year old truck. I'm sure you're in a position to buy a $60K dollar EV. now or in a couple years.
@@cwqrpportable well considering i work at a ford plant and i get A plan discount I probably could afford it, but why would i do that at 19 years old? Stop hatin.
Alex, I need to take position of either a Mach E GT performance or BMW iX50 (+30,000CAD) . Both fully loaded. What will you do?
Upcoming Range test will be much appreciated.
Agreed. And travel the same route. Make sure you use the Mach E Extended range.
Do you still have your Tesla? The Auto Unlock feature in my Tesla is also not 100% every time. (You just need to add AirBlue to the roof, it cuts down on the heat by 90%).
Hey, those are not too bad so far.
For the sun issue on the glass roof can you place a nano ceramic tint on it or does the preexisting tint cause problems with this?
Have to disagree with your take on the ‘play the game everyone is playing’. Ford is in a way playing the game with a different strategy: be realistic and aim for customer satisfaction. It’s the EPA that needs to sort their system out instead of giving manufacturers a choice in what test they run.
I think 16000 different will be unfair, when you compare similar equiped which you used to say on other video, mach e premium is really the similar equiped to model y, at 230 miles it is 47000, after 7500 tax rebate, it is 39500. And tesla model y stand range which you can still order one on tesla website today is 39990(i ordered one this week). I know they are discontinue this standard range for now, but i still like people know they are similar priced at this moment.
I hope you do an honest heads up with the Y, the Y dominates this thing in efficiency, performance and charging options.
I’m a stickler for quiet cabin and man the model Y was noisy for my standards. Granted, I’ve used German luxury cars and my daily’s, but still! Surprised by how noisy it was.
@@Sleepyboiwonder new active noise cancellation in S and X plus now dual laminated windows.
My 18' X is a bit noisy but the stereo is so good, I never notice
@@legacytesla that’s great! I still found it noisy so I decided not to get the Y
If Ford would make a model with AWD and over 300mi of range I'd be sold.
Isn't that the premium model? Or it may be 270
They do make a model like that. I am buying one.
They do. The California Route 1 trim level has 305 miles of range and is AWD.
What kind of cell phone do you use? Some cheapened cell phones have bad bluebooth and wifi antennas. I found this out when I tried to replace an iPhone with a MetroPCS phone, then used a newer iPhone to compare. The bluetooth was horrid by comparison when connecting to devices.
They need to get these software problems worked out soon or it’s going to sink the truck.
You a catch... My dealer told me you can't yet buy an extra key! Setup your phone immediately and don't lose your key! Crazy
I would rather few tesla adhere there EPA rating to how most of the auto manufactures do it, more realistically lately, than have everyone start playing a game and the consumer loses out (like the old EPA ratings used to be). My niro ev is pretty much right on the EPA rating on average
I'm no fan of Tesla.... but it's EPA fault (not Tesla) for allowing, so many different ways to calculate the figures... just look at how Porshe electing to reduce its range...
www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html
@@cherch tesla "games" the estimates by actually performing all the EPA suggested testing. Ford skipped many of those and by doing so are obligated to use a "coefficient" to multiply with the standard required tests results.
Ford should simply do the whole battery of test so that cars can better be compared between themselves.
The WLTP range rating is even more generous than the EPA in Europe, but it's not an issue because manufacturers have to do all the required testing, not just a subset of all tests and everyone is happy.