Mustang Mach-E GT Motor Details
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- See the Marvelous Motors of the Ford Mustang Mach-E GT. These motors are more powerful than Tesla Model 3 and Y motors. The front and rear GT motors are identical, with a few minor differences. See how to set the timing on a compound planetary gear set! This video is the sixth in a series about the Mustang Mach-E GT.
TIMELINE:
0:00 Start
0:07 Introduction
0:45 The Electric Front Axle Drive (EFAD)
1:08 The Ford Eluminator Mach-E Electric Motor
1:55 Compare front and rear housing sizes
2:20 The EFAD outer housing and components
4:19 MUST SEE: The EFAD Specification and Identification labels
5:48 The Electric Rear Axle Drive (ERAD) outer housing and components
6:40 The ERAD Inverter
8:00 The ERAD Park Actuator Location
9:28 The ERAD is also used in the E-Transit Van
9:45 MUST SEE: The identical 8-pole rotors of the ERAD and EFAD
10:10 The power specifications of the ERAD and EFAD
11:17 The ERAD Parking Gear
12:17 The 33-tooth sun gears
12:30 MUST SEE: The identical 48-slot stators of the ERAD and EFAD
13:50 MUST SEE: The identical differentials and compound planetary gear set of the ERAD and EFAD
14:35 CJB Bearings
14:45 MUST SEE: The compound planetary reduction gear set
15:19 The ring gear has 117 teeth
15:35 Two-Stage Planet Gears with 59 teeth on stage one and 26 teeth on stage two
16:20 Calculating the gear ratio of a compound planetary gear set = 9.0454:1
17:00 MUST SEE: How to set the staged gear timing and phasing
21:34 A demonstration of the 9.0454:1 gear reduction
24:24 Cassette-style axle shaft seals
25:39 See inside the housings
26:07 See the electric oil pump and filter
28:02 See the removal of the large bearing
31:25 See the resolver for the permanent magnet rotor
32:33 MUST SEE: The identical 650 Amp inverters of the ERAD and EFAD
34:00 See the electric parking pawl actuator inside the ERAD
36:15 Video Summary
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QUESTIONS FOR TEACHERS
1. What type of motor is used in the front drive unit?
2. What type of motor is used in the rear drive unit?
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My career has nothing to do with auto repair/engineering but I've watched several of your videos just because you're a great teacher. Thanks for putting out these college-level demos on TH-cam!
The machined dots on each planet are only for assembly purposes. It you don't line them up they won't go together. If that wasn't enough trouble, the tooth flanks of the large and small gears of each planet must be timed to each other also. If not, one planet takes most of the torque and the other two just clack around in the backlash. Compound planetary gear drives like this are also used in wind turbines as speed increasers too. Please continue to post stuff. I eat it up, if you haven't guessed by now.
Great information. Thank you very much!
I call it "anti poka yoke" a.k.a. easy to mess up. 😉
so design wise as is do you think ford or a hot rod-er could get more torque transmitted thuwe it ? aka put a more powerful stator&winding combo or turn up the inverter power to it or add a ICE+the factory stator? or is the compound gears or housing maxed out design/material wise ?
@@richardprice5978 Ford offering the Eluminator (front motor) through their performance parts website clearly shows higher power specs than is used in the Mach-E.
@@WeberAuto i know/knowledge that planetary gear set's are typical stronger ( and looks to be a better packaging that what i curranty have mocked up in the 1967-71 charger ( basically from a chevy volt running 1:1 drive shaft speed, borg-warner 225-115-water cooled ... sorry have parts numbers for everything in writing/drawings but im spacing it/forgetfulness ) , and with some minor modifications ( locking differential looks likely to fit if not spool it, im sure someone else's might be interested as ABS/traction control-4w isn't commonly used in the aftermarket ) looks like i could shift the E-motor in and out of gear non-synchronised without computers helping/generation-housing power or OD the E-motor/under drive the hole setup aka 1:1 or 10:1 ) but unsure if it maybe could handle 600FT of torque or more
my G-2 hemi (1500FT-flywheel max probably won't be running that but its my standards to build around to keep me and others around the car safe )/transmission's ( modified 2014 C7 TR6070 ( kept the 7th OD gear .42 ) corvette/TR6060-configuration/placement-comaro/hellcat-bellhousing ) at the driveshaft im keeping under 1500FT ish ( to try and not kill parts or me plus final finished weights is 4k-6000 LB car making it easier to snap parts ) and the EV-motor is hung at the end of the output transmission housing/shaft but between the driveshaft/ mopar-8-3/4 3.2FGearing axel
At 4:53 I am just amazed that manufacturing technology has come so far, with such impressive precision, to perfectly place that label every single time 👏
LOL!, Thanks for watching
xD
Its time to make some v8 2 stroke v8 DFI engines! electric motors are a rotary magnetic 2 cycle. I will not miss the 4 stroke in anything else let alone care or trucks.
With instructors like yourself, I foresee Weber State being very successful in its endeavors to teach about electric vehicles. Wonderful series.
Thank you very much
Yes I completely agree- as a BEV owner, I see first hand the dealership service departments need more new college educated and factory trained BEV techs in their repair shops ASAP.
@@stevemiller9480 if not sooner
Kudos to Ford and Borg Warner for donating the motors. Another great video. Thanks
Agreed! Thank you
And I assume, the tools to take them apart. (looks like those could be taken apart and reassembled without complicated tooling like many other motors. 'tho I'm sure you don't want to disassemble the ones from your fleet of driving cars.)
Great end to my day! Another Weber Auto video! Thanks Prof. Kelly!
Thanks again Mike!
Your complexion is looking better Mr. Kelley, I hope you continue churning out these videos for many more years because they are golden.
That's the plan!
A whole new generation of mechanics is going to be needed.
True! We are working on producing them at our university
@@WeberAuto Happy to hear that!
A mechanic who stops learning after finish apprenticeship, will be a useless mechanic long before retirement. Any mechanic - like any trades person or any professional - needs to keep up with changes in their field, and this motor technology is just one of those changes. Institutions like Weber State can provide that training in specific areas to mechanics to stay current - a whole new generation is not needed.
@@brianb-p6586 First, let me say I own a Mach-e GT performance edition and the only thing I have done to it so far is add a trailer hitch, but the idea that most mechanic today will learn to fix this car is a nice thought but its not going to happen.Just for example where would you start if the brake light's don't work. This car has one pedal driving and the lights come on without stepping on the brake pedal, so where would you start if the brake lights don't work or randomly flash? I am a skilled tradesperson, my Dad owned a service station and I grew up fixing cars, I have several college degrees, and I have worked at Chrysler, and now Ford for 40 years, I have spent a lifetime building cars, repairing cars, and making hot rod cars, and if I was 25 years younger I guess I could be a TH-cam star dropping LS1 engines into G-body cars but learning to work on this car is going to be a process for me and many other will not want to, and thousands of mechanics will struggle, be unable to get training and retire. So you are just wrong! And I stand by my comment 100%
@@kjkromm If you can't handle adding the few EV aspects to your skill set, it probably is time to retire. Everyone in every profession reaches that state at some point.
Transmissions became automatic and later electronically controlled, disk brakes replaced drums, emission control systems were added, electronic engine management systems replaced carburetors, independent suspensions replaced beam axles, and many other changes have been made in cars without making entire generations of mechanics obsolete... although many of them whined and predicted the end of the world with each change. Most of the vehicle (suspension, brakes, steering, body) is the same whether the vehicle is driven by a gasoline engine or an electric motor.
You're absolutely amazing. I've watched many of your videos; you have such a calm, patient demeanour making learning a pleasure. Great job.
You are the protagonist of the best free online automotive school. I like your smile along with the new technology.
Thanks also to Ford for this donation.
Mach-E has a starting price of 61,000 Euros, including all taxes in my country!!!
God help !
Many thanks !
Thank you!
Thank you for another outstanding learning experience 👏. Glad to see Ford and Borg Warner working with you 😀. I have never seen a timed planetary gear set either.
Thank you!
I found the presentation quite satisfactory. Your students are privileged to have you as an instructor.
Thank you very much!
@@WeberAuto 64-year-old retired Master Plumber
In the inverter current rating discussion starting @32:33, there appears to be confusion between motor current and battery current. The inverters are rated in amps RMS of AC current supplied by the inverter to the motor, while the fuses are presumably in the DC link (circuit) between the battery and the inverter input (note the DC voltage rating). Those currents can be very different, especially at low motor speed where low voltage is needed, so the same power in the DC link and in the motor can be a much higher current at a much lower voltage in the motor, compared to the relatively constant high voltage in the DC link.
Great point and information, thank you!
Brian, you sound like a vfd guy ;)
@@captainjinx42 I've never designed or built one, but I've run across them at work, and and I'm an automotive technology enthusiast and inverters are important in EVs. In production EVs the motor plus inverter are just a black box to most people, but the design of EV conversions it's important to understand what each component is doing.
As always, excellent content. I’ve used many of these videos to great effect.
Thank you Professor!
It's a bit sad to know this will be the last video on the Mustang-E GT.
I'll wait eagerly for the next series of videos!
Many more videos to come!
Professor Kelly great tutorial ,you're a great mentor, also I admire your comprehensiveness in details .cheers Mate.
his content is gold
now i can design my own vehicle
Thank you!
Thank you.. this is the only channel I've enabled notifications... not a mechanic, but I enjoys how you clarify with reasoning for each steps.
Wow, thanks!
I'm going to buy these motors and convert my 22 Kona N to an AWD electric monster. No mechanic experience but I can slice a mean cylinder in blender and print an adorable duck with my 3D printer...
That should be interesting!
37:10 "three phase training" caused a smile due to the double meaning in this matter. Thanks Prof. Kelly. 👍😁👍
LOL!
Glad someone else noticed. I was about to comment on the three phase three phase training. Does that make it a 9 phase?
Regarding timing planetary's. The Model T (1909 to 1927) transmission gears have to be timed when assembling so that the set will go together.
I did not know that, thank you
First time I've seen timed planetaries as well.
Makes sense though.
Thanks for watching
This is the USA at its best: a manufacturer donating a current piece of kit to a uni, the uni putting out a video explaining all the stuff on the Internet for everybody to see and learn. Thank you!
Fascinating in-depth guys. Thanks for posting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, what a wonderfully compact unit. Motors, sun and planet gears, differential, inverter and all. Thanks for the. literally, insight into that unit and the great explanation.
Glad you like it!
I learned a lot. Thank you for your efforts!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching
Great video and explanation, love how simple it gets when disassembled.
Thanks for watching!
very smart and impressive diff/gear reduction system. almost all the forces generated by the gear reduction is contained within the rotating assembly it self rather then having a 2nd or a 3rd axle that the casing would have suport. And for a manufacturing stand point you only have 1 axle with 3 precision bearing surfaces that has to be machined in the case.
Thanks for watching
love 😍 packaging ( housing looks like it was almost designed for my manual transmission housing and drive-shaft to bolt on as a up grade just change one side/flange/adaptor and good to go ) after seeing this id consider using it in my hybrid hot rod / hemi TR6060 1960's muscle car
@@richardprice5978 the reduction ratio is much too high to use it that way - it would be like driving in first (or maybe second) gear all of the time. Also, connecting only one output to the propeller (drive) shaft would not work without locking the differential.
@@brianb-p6586 fixed just a couple of modifications and 👍good to go assuming it doesn't blow the planetary gears to bits as im not sure how much torque it can take in 10:1 or 1:1 mode or electric generation mode aka differential in N-gear
@@richardprice5978 changing the ratio and eliminating the differential would not be a couple of modifications - it would be a whole new gearbox.
I don't know what you mean by 1:1 mode, unless you would use the motor without the gearbox, which isn't practical.
"Electric generation mode aka differential in N-gear" doesn't make sense to me. There is no mechanical difference between motor and generator operation and there is no neutral.
EXCELLENT training video!!
I've been following them for a long time, they are number one!!!
Thanks for sharing, valuable powertrain understanding video!
Greetings from Uruguay!
well prof Kelly i think I'm now addicted to your educational video's 😵💫 , i wonder what i will do when they over , i think i will start over watching them again
You are doing great, really enjoy watching your instructions, I’ll be waiting for new content, thanks
Very interesting video Professor Kelly. Nice job of explaining the design and construction of the drive units.
Glad you liked it!
You sir are an automotive treasure. I hope your students enjoy you as much as I have. Thank you for being a auto tech teacher.
Great presentation! Good to see the solid power-transfer mechanical engineering involved. Mechanics is always more fun than electricity!
Glad you enjoyed it!
thank you, professor Kelly, very interesting disassembly and explanation. Nothing complicated (comparing to hybrid transmissions), but still worth looking at our "future" (assuming that synchronous 3-phase electric motors are very old from technology perspective)
Thank you
Thank You Professor Kelly for your excellent presentation !
Thank you very much
Excellent presentation, as always. Many thanks.
Hi WeberAuto, great video as always, thanks for sharing this technical experience, extremely valuable information
You're a great teacher, Mr. Kelly 👍
Much appreciated!
An excellent video. Thank you, Prof. Kelly.
Wow, so many details. Thank you
Thank you!
This channel and Munro Live are the best technical EV channels. Thank you Prof. Kelly.
Thank you very much!
Great teaching and as always, compulsive listening and viewing.
That's awesome. Thanks for showing us. It wasn't obvious to me that it would need to be timed. But yeah that makes sense given the reduction is happening :) I love it. And I love that it can be sourced! I wasn't very impressed with the mach-E overall, but I do like this drive train/inverter setup. Castings are nice looking too. Seems like a very compact robust, and serviceable system. Makes me really happy. Love your videos as always.
This is the only way I ever want to see the motors for my Mach-E GT! Thanks!
Thank you
Thanks again Prof John for the fantastic video.
Great Job John, as always very detailed and clear.
Thank you sir for another great video and presentation! Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much all the time. even I live in the other side of earth, You are the best teacher of me.
Always interesting, thanks for the video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
With your wealth of knowledge and experience I’m genuinely surprised you haven’t encountered timed planetary sets yet. Borg Warner BW4485 AWD transfer cases used a similar assembly process over 10 years ago
It was a first for me. Good to know though, thank you.
Thanks for your videos buddy. Now that I'm not in a dealer environment I don't get training on new stuff anymore and I didn't realize how badly I missed it!
I’m glad you like them.
I watch these videos multiple times. Every time I watch I learn something new. I like some of them so much that I put them into an EV library of videos on TH-cam. Thank you.
Thank you very much
Professor Kelly is amazing! I learn so much from his videos! I am sure in one afternoon he absorbs more technical info than I have learned in my entire lifetime! Keep up the good work kind Sir! You’re by far the best I’ve seen anywhere!
I appreciate your your kind words. Thank you!
Instantly subscribed to this channel. Excellent educational video. Thank you
Excellent presentation! As one of the BorgWarner prototype builders of these units you have taught me a couple things watching this video! Keep up the good work!
That is great to hear. Thank you very much!
Hey Gary. Fancy seeing you here
Great tutorial video ! Good luck on your program.
Looks very well built. Great video !
All these different new motors! Envy your job!
Great Video Thanks
Thank you sir for one more very nice class I had learning a lot.
Thank you so much
Thank you kind Sir. NONE FINER! A pure Genius you are. Learned a lot. Take Care.
Thank you kindly
Awesome Video. I love the info.
Excellent work Prof ...
Glad you liked it!
That tiny motor has just about the same power as my car.. madness
It seems that simply increasing the length of the rotor and stator it could develop even power with a modest increase in overall size of the housing.
Great videos keep them coming
Thanks for showing us this professor Kelly. I've never seen a planetary differential before. I think they keep the power levels down for range, heat issues and of course insurance purposes.
Nice & beautiful. thank you, professor Kelly.👍👍👍
You are so welcome!
Yay! Go Ford and Go Borg Warner! Wonderful donation to the Educational Facility! Kudos!
Thank you kindly!
Thank you professor for your fruitful lecture as usual
You are welcome
Thanks a lot for another master class and share this information
My pleasure!
Always a good day when the Prof shares his wisdom. 😃
Thank you very much
Dear John, thank you for the great content!! Because of your enthusiasms and outstanding teaching abilities I've decided to start my graduate degree in HEV in Brazil. Actually some of my professors took classes with you!
That is awesome!
Can’t wait for you to get ahold of the lucid motors.
Thanks again
Very interesting information Sir .
Good work
Very compact and unique housing, stator, rotor and planetary gear set. The technology is quite interesting.
Very impressive stuff from Ford and thank you for a thorough tutorial on the motors.
Thank you
The wooden holders for components are excellent. They're simple, but do the job, and in this case even include a lock for the ring gear.
Thank you for noticing. They work great!
You can tell he's marveled by this tech. I love that!
Thanks for the breakdown! I wonder how many people thought this was a swap in for their LS Swap dreams. Still. this 'may' fit the space available for some Mercedes conversions as they don't have a lot of space within the rear subframe. It's worth investigating. Excellent work guys.
Thank you very much!
This is so insightful!!
Excellent presentation! That EV drive is so linear and compact it could possibly be a huge step forward at Ford. Exceptional progress it a short space of time. The Univercity level course you offer there, at Degree Level, is something the UK need to look at.
Geat video.
Thank you very much
Compact but inefficient. Planetary setups are less efficient than standard geartrains
@@christiankackley4286 maybe less efficient compared to a single-stage gear reduction, but in both this planetary setup and in the GM and Tesla setups there are 2 gear meshes involved. In either case the 2-stage gear mesh efficiency is likely over 98%
Great video
I like your videos a lot. Regards Sir.
Many thanks
Very good explanation! This is cool.
Glad you liked it!
As a retired ford mechanic for about 25 years from Quebec, am still interested in learning probably same as my time the exact diagnostic is the key of a good mechanic, I really enjoyed your video thanks ☺️
Excellent professor Kelly very well explained
Thank you very much
That was pretty damn good, thanks. I learned so much.
Thank you so much
12:55 Rotor - Stator mix-up, right after you explained which is which 😁👍
LOL, thank you. I missed that while editing.
Great job thank you sir
Thank you so much Professor!
Thanks for watching
Excellent piece of educational material, does a lot to demystify the 'electricity into driving' wizardry of these units. Also some very interesting information for the modder and DIYer like myself!
The electric motor is a magetic rotary 2 cycle engine! It would be nice if Ford offered thier v8 2 stroke DFI motors though. way better than the 4 joke cyote POS. I never like the sound or feel of 4 stroke and everthing truck/automotive seems 2 strokeless. they build a nice DFI 2 stroke prototype and then they shelf it which is stupid. the new 2 strokes run cleaner and make more torque than the 4 joke stroke which is dated. look at the new 850 rotax etec turbo and Achates Power OP 2 strokes.
Great video !!!
very interesting. thanks for the video.
My pleasure!
You’re awesome. Thank you.
Thank you Professor Kelly for the informative video!
Regarding motor output to differential timing, I'd call it phasing. The gear-down is really done by 2 stages:
- motor (sun) to first planetary gear set
- second planetary gear set to sun gear output to differential
While first planetary gears are permanently connected to the second planetary gears. I.e., these two stages are not separate units which can be mesh-mounted in assembly time but done in one unit.
Because the gears are in prime number of tooth count (to avoid cyclic wearing and even rotation resonate patterns), thus the "one unit" gear set has to be phased or the minor gear gap won't mesh.
Thank You !
Very informative & interesting video New Sub!!
Very interesting, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent video and explanation. I follow your channel and watch all your instructional videos. I could see that in one of the casings of the electric motors it says Denso. That means that a lot of the electronic parts are made in Japan just like in the case of the Chevy Volt. I am very happy, because they have always proven to manufacture with excellent quality in everything, but in electronics, even more so. Thank you very much for sharing your experience in this enjoyable video. Greetings from Tampa, Florida.