Julia Hartley-Brewer and Peter Hitchens' fascinating clash over the war in Ukraine
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- As February 24 marks exactly one year since Russia invaded Ukraine, TalkTV’s Julia Hartley-Brewer and columnist Peter Hitchens have a fierce debate over the war in Ukraine and the UK’s approach going forward.
Julia challenges Peter Hitchens to name what part of Ukraine should be given up for peace in the region.
Peter Hitchens: “I don't believe that the territorial integrity of Ukraine should be destroyed."
Julia: "But that's pie in the sky Peter!"
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Which side of the argument do you agree with?
Hitchens side, USA invaded Ukraine long before Russia did.
Peter Hitchens side. This war was as much provoked as the invasion was illegal.
This is here and now ..Hitchens can't seem to get past that point that Ukraine should chose its future regardless of its past ....Russian paranoia about internal and external issues is the reason Finland Sweden now joining NATO which in effect means Russia itself has broadened the NATO border by being an aggressive neighbour so if you heap coals upon your own head you'll find them hot...as for peace deals they have been and are ongoing attempts in resolutions put forward but declined by Russia ...this was a war of choice not the only choice that in itself says it all...
Hichens
Hitchins & the sooner people realise the US is the biggest problem the better the world will be !
Poor Julia, parroting mainstream media and government talking points and having 0 understanding on how and why this conflict even started.
Poor Chadimir, parroting kremlin mainstream media and Russian government talking points and having 0 understanding of how or why this conflict even started.
@Proselytizing Orthodox Pentecostal Angora Rabbit guess what? Crimea is Russian, lpr is Russian, dpr is Russian so you can go Crimea a river. 🤣
Lmao! Savage man!
@@chadimirputin2282 Oh, yes. Russian 'now and forever' lol
@Proselytizing Orthodox Pentecostal Angora Rabbit what are you doing here? Your missing your hourly bbc, sky news and chanel 4 propaganda schedules.
I’m loosing respect for Julia with her ignorance of the situation.
After watching Julia for thirty seconds it's obvious she reading from a script, and has little or no understanding about what the real cause of this conflict are.
God in heaven, I had to mute it and press 'L' constantly on my keyboard to get rid of her. She's unbearable.
yep i usually like her and agree with her but not on this.
Ukrainians should be give everything they need to bqq any invading russian on their land.
Do you understand how much of food supply is tied into Ukraine? What happens do we let Ukraine fall and let Russia have the share of gas and oil in the area and grains and fertiliser?
Trump warned what would happen if the EU became reliant on gas and oil from Russia, they'd use it against the EU, that's what they're doing. They're using it as means to force people to change their mind and back leaving Russia to it, to let them do whatever they want in Ukraine.
What happens if our food supply is in the hands of Putin? Seriously have a think about it. We don't make enough grains and there's simply not enough room to do it, for both human consumption and animal feed, while also coming up with our own supply of fertiliser, and growing other foods we need.
That's why we're so into this war, because this does affect us.
It's deeply niave to think otherwise and shows a lack of understanding the public have about our food supply. Putin is not going to stop end of, as Julia said rightly so, Putin has done this before on 2008 and 2014. Putin is not going to stop unless Ukraine gives up more regions, if they do that he'll come again in a few years time as has been his game, he's clearly got a record for it.
You're playing the appeasement game and Russia gets that treatment you can bet your right arm China will take Taiwan within a matter of months, taking control of the world's largest share of semiconductor chips we use in EVERYTHING, so we'd have Putin incharge of food supply and Xi in charge of our ability to make anything electoral. Is that really what you want to risk? Because it's a very real possibility. China may still invade Taiwan either way, but the west cannotoe down and let them get away with it, not unless you want to live under a world order in which Russia and China along with their allies like Iran are the leaders.
Peter "we need to put this fire out now before it gets even more out of control". Julia "Yes, we need more gasoline".
This is what happens when you put a presenter on who’s read one report on the war by the BBC
Julia's lack of historical knowledge is amazing.
and the fact that for some reason here, she doesn't believe that anything in the past has any relevance....
@@Ma55ey She is a stooge for the military-industrial complex. Another Tobias Ellwood?
@@ednorton47 Thks woman is a full time hypocrite
Historicaly Crimea was Russian and Putin has not a faintedt interest to invade Poland, Baltic states and so on.None whatsoever.It's the American narrative which the British parrot.
I'm shocked over educated low intelligent person.
Julia comes across as extremely badly informed in this interview. Long, rambling questions followed by her repeatedly interrupting Hitchens as soon as he begins to reply. Diplomacy is required as soon as possible to avert further escalation.
How when Putin wants the region's he's taken and Ukraine say no they're ours? They are under international law they're still Ukraine's, so how do we get round this? Putin said he wouldn't invade again after 2014 and he was given the territories, what makes you think this time he'd tulry mean it when he says "give me those regions and I won't invade again"? How? He's taken Georgia and Crimea, he's not going to stop how can you not see that? Do you understand how important Ukraine is for our food supply aswell?
she hears the truth and it frightens her.She has been caught out and she knows it.Repeating washingtons state department talking points.
She's worse than that idiot Paxman.
typical Journo
She is a woman. They always view things in the most simplistic manner. Why are you surprised?
JESUS CHRIST this woman nearly gave me an aneurysm. Good on Peter for keeping it ice-cold as ever
What exactly is she wrong about?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 it's not exactly _what_ she said but more _how_ she framed her ill-informed points. Which often gives more insight into the actual content of what one is saying. One word came to mind consistently: hysterical.
@@liamsouthwell27 You continue to say that she's ill-informed (is that what your Kremlin overlords told you and the rest of the shills in the comment sections to say?)
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Shame you cannot read. I've only called her ill-informed once. But forgive me, I'm a tad defensive because you got me! You found me out! That is EXACTLY what they told me to say! Damn, guess it's time to delete this whole thread in embarrassment and run back crying to my mummy's basement eh? Well done Airbusfan, you got another one!!! Unlike her you are so well-informed and I am completely unveiled for the Kremlin stooge I am.
How can Julia be so uninformed, and then be so naive to think that we would be so uninformed? Peter was soft on her.
What is she uninformed about?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Everything
She is paid to be ignorant
Where do you idiots get your purile misunderstanding of the world from?
What's ludicrous is that she's constantly critical of the British government, and the Biden Administration, on just about everything - except Ukraine, where she "believes" British and US politicians have honest intentions.
She is clueless on this topic
What did she say that was wrong?
A 20 minute interview and JHB talked for 18 minutes of it
this is becoming the norm on most news channels, for a long time in US but increasingly UK, Australia, etc. just awful excuse for journalism. "I'll share my very ordinary intellectual opinion, and you dear expert can have a tiny bit of airtime to agree with me. Thankyou for coming"
As always
You nailed it
It’s all part of the plan , they don’t want people to hear what he says to have informed opinions . They can now tick the box to say they are unbiased and had him on the show but clearly he wasn’t given a chance to speak and all people will remember is Russians are raping and killing people and may soon take the whole of Europe .
Julia’s argument and debating style is like listening to a person describe what she sees whilst she’s wearing virtual reality googles and has a “talking points” soundtrack chosen by CNN and BBC political editors plugged into her ears at the same time.
There is absolutely no depth and sophistication to her argument other than, rather ironically, and with a straight face, saying “that’s why I am a Brexiteer” as though it makes her correct and an anointed view. (She even misses the point that both Boris Johnson and Sunak “voted for Brexit” and it’s anything but!).
Peter was clearly exasperated being forced to a wildly inferior intellect whose only advantage was that she hogged the mic 🎙️ and is evidently proud of wearing an honourary badge that would read: “Loud Imbecile, who doesn’t pause for breath”
Julia, try some joined-up thinking instead of pandering to the handful of simpletons who consume the diet of compliant mainstream narrative you’ve become an expert conspirator and shill for
'War is Hell' says Brewer, from her vast experience of war-zones in the home counties.
Haha, brilliant.
God this is embarrassing poor Peter having to listen to her hysterical aggressive lecturing questions
She didn't even understand what he was saying
Peter needs to get his ducks in a row and use language that succinctly explains matters so that Julia and her viewers can understand.
If Julia wants all wars to be fought to the death she should head east and volunteer.
Guessing you think it was wrong for the US to have supported us when we were resisting Nazi Germany bombing over London, too?
@@Xenomorphine They didn't support you. They sold you stuff. For cash till you were penniless then on credit, and in exchange for naval bases. Like now, they are happy for their rival to be bled white by other mothers' sons, while they profit from the sales. The difference in WW2 was that they more than happy to see Britain bleed and weaken too.
Nobody is asking for European soldiers to join. Just helping the Ukrainians getting weapons.
@@garylynch7619 In other words, you agree with what I pointed out: You would have advocated for not supporting the UK during World War 2 for the same reasons.
@@Xenomorphine No. The Americans should have supported you, because being an island, you could defend yourself, and the support would have secured your safety without the constant mill of slaughter. On mainland Europe, where that slaughter can be sustained endlessly, negotiations always end wars. This should have happened in 1915 or 16, but when you paint your enemy as a monster to get the people behind the war, you can't make peace. So millions die. In this case, western support is not meant to strengthen Ukraine so they can win, but to keep the war going as long as possible. To such an extent that the T-Shirt President is looking at Crimea.
I like JHB, but I think she's spectacularly wrong on the issue.
I think the US was determined not to allow Russia to become a major power after the fall of the wall.
I've listened to many on both sides of the issue and I think Professor John Mearshimer's take on this conflict makes more sense to me, which is what Peter Hitchens seemed to be advocating.
Yep we need to strap in over the next few decades while America destabilises the rest of the world to keep hold of its Global dominance...
Has nothing to do with the US. Russia invaded both Hungary and Czechoslovakia when it feared losing control of those states. Putin would have done the same with Ukraine whether NATO had taken on new members since 1990 or not.
She's clamouring for war because she knows it won't be her sons doing the fighting.
She's the typical warmonger shouting from the safety of her own cosy shelter. Unless she wants to send her sons over to drive some of these tanks?
When Trump was in and was stopping the pipeline's we didn't have many issues did we? Because he was hard on Russia, Putin think Biden is weak. Ukraine cannot give up more territory when they did so in 2014, which was supposed to stop what's happening now. If they give Russia more land then they'll come back in another 6-8 years time, the way they have done repeatedly since 2008.
If Putin wanted Wales would you give it to him?
A great speech by mr putin dropping truth bombs.possibly the worlds greatest leader of the last 200 years.
Nearly conscription time for you Ivan
Peter Hitchens is one of the greatest philosophers of our time.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@johncarroll772 2 month old paid troll
@@rk2827 correct
Great philosphers do not piss in their pants with fear.
You mean his late brother?
I'm with Peter Hitchens on this.
I imagine most intelligent people are.
@@man-of-the-world How come then he couldn't even answer Julia's first question: what does Ukraine have to give up to achieve peace?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 because it is a loaded question not based on fact
@@James_36 It's not a loaded question. As long ss Russia isn't kicked out of Ukraine, it will require land for peace! There's no way that Russia now would just give up the territories it occupies now and just go home. They'll need to be forced out, with the help of the west.
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Simple it has to give up NATO simple . NATO the no aggresive organisation who has started 5 or 6 wars in the last 25 years or so
"It's not a battle between good and evil, it's a battle between right and wrong"...
Julia, what have you been smoking?
Manichaean idiot with no intellectual capability at all. Shrill, emotionally incontinent armed with a simpleton worldview of good and evil - sadly representative of more than half the population
So, Russia's invasion of Ukraine is not wrong, and Ukraine's defence of its independence is not good. Is that what you're saying? Because that is all Julia is saying. She knows that the Kyiv government are not angels, and she accepts that Putin felt threatened by Nato. These are straw men.
@@DieFlabbergast Realpolitik says a country is not a country if it cannot unilaterally defend its borders.
@@DieFlabbergast so what is the endgame here? The EU etc would not fund Ukrainian economy because of huge corruption even before war. Even then costs were more than 100bn/year. Reconstructing after war will be more than 500bn/year. Unless you didn’t notice the west public sector deficits are more than WW2. So where is money coming from to fund Ukraine economy when it is over?
You can keep playing silly moral game if you like, but I deal with reality. I am sure moral exhibitionism makes all the supporters feel better themselves, but it just creates greater problems and more death. As stupid as the Polish aggression pact of 39….
that was an abhorrent thing to say, so left wing also
Hitchens is spot on.
He is most certainly not!
I don’t think this is an even debate... Peter is 100% right and Julia’s position is insanity. It will cost a million lives just to bring us to the same point.
How can Julia be so damned ignorant of the situation....I'm staggered. Would she be so keen to risk ww3 if her daughter were a son ?
In clown world women are on frontlines. Why I would shoot myself day 1 if was ordered to got to fight for the woke west. Rather watch it burn than defend it
She is not ignorant. She wants to keep her job.
Why would helpign Ukraine to defend itself against genocidal aggression lead to nuclear war? Putin wants a legacy. He's not going to turn Russia into radioactive glass, just because he can't get his way over Ukraine.
You're advocating for appeasement. All that does is to encourage further aggression.
@@Xenomorphine Russia liberating ethnic russians in Ukraine who have been victims of genocide.
What exactly was ignorant about what she said?
I didn’t hear this woman shouting for the IRA when they wanted Britain out of Ireland? Did you ?
If "we" don't fight back now! As if Julia will be anywhere within 1,000 miles of any danger!
Ukraine doesn't ask for NATO troops, just for weapons.
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Not just for weapons, also for money. Billions of dollars in cash have been shipped to Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe, and the dictator of Ukraine, Herr Zelensky, has stashed a large chunk of that money in offshore bank accounts in Belize and the Cayman Islands (which is how he has been able to buy luxury properties in France, Italy, the UK (Knightsbridge, London) and the US (California).
"Which part of the UK would you give up for peace". I have your answer: Slough.
God Julia embarrassed yourself badly
No she did not!
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 And now so have you🤣
@@KennyG-qh8jc You are making such convincing arguments
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 See this is why people are supporting this war, clueless. Peter made the arguments not me. EINSTEIN!!!🤣🤣
@@KennyG-qh8jc Peter didn't make any convincing arguments. He couldn't even answer Julia's first question: what would a peace deal entail. Can you?
Look at Julia’s face, it’s like it’s the first time she’s learning about nato expansion. 😂
Probably is
do you not thing why these former soviet states all joined nato and the few remaining are so desperate to join, maybe the fact Ukraine has been invaded, Georgia was invaded, Moldova is being now threatened and Russian troops are there, the Russians openly talk about having all their former soviet states back and if it wasn't for nato they would invade them too
It's a complete myth. Totally debunked.
While this was going on, Putin was literally on stage and ranting about the need to destroy Ukraine because it's supposedly run by gay Nazis, for crying out loud.
Jewish ones...
And why did those eastern countries join NATO? Were they forced into NATO by the evil American? Or did they beg to join to avoid Russia's grip on them?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 that’s a non sequitur, it doesn’t matter who wanted what, the US knew expanding NATO right up to Russia’s doorstep would cause anger and consequences, hence why after the Cold War there was an agreement that the countries around Russia’s borders would remain neutral, a buffer, that neutrality was holding till 2014.
If I was Ukrainian I’d be very upset with the US, they’re being used as cannon fodder! as Henry Kissinger once said “the only thing worse than being an enemy of the US, is being an ally of the US”
She spends three minutes talking about what we should have done in the past... big help.
Julia just shouts at her guests a condescending manner and doesn't actually listen.
Why would anyone listen to Hitchens' uncoherent ramblings!
Peter Hitchens is right about pretty much everything, and he most certainly is here.
He’s very much wrong about one thing, that’s for sure.
@@FannyShmellar What is he wrong about?
@@FannyShmellar explain?
Hitchens wants Ukraine to surrender. He has repeatedly called Ukraine a “fanciful country.” Over the years he has attracted a massive fan base of putler loving trolls. In 2010, Peter Hitchens travelled to Crimea and wrote a sneering article that set out the Kremlin’s justification for thieving land off Ukraine in detail. In it, he described Ukraine as a “fanciful country” despite the fact that Kyiv was a thriving Christian city many centuries even before the existence of Muscovy.
Just four years later, Crimea was invaded and all the talking points of his 2010 article were deployed by Kremlin propagandists. The article can still be seen in the Hitchens archives.
Since February 24, Mr Hitchens has continued his attacks on Ukraine, in spite of, or perhaps because of the systematic genocide being inflicted upon innocent civilians by the murderous torturers, thieves and rapists of Putin’s army. Hundreds of children and many thousands of adult civilians have died already. If anyone doubts that the genocide was pre-planned, they only have to read what RIA Novosti officially published before Putin’s evil onslaught.
Hitchens, like RT, is in effect a fully functioning component of Putin’s demonic war machine.
@@josephocallaghan3000 Total fallacious misrepresentation of Peter. And that's being generous
This goes all the way back to the Minsk agreement Julia is good on so many issues but she's spectacularly wrong on this and has been since the beginning
She's just following her channels script. They aren't alternative news. Just a tiny version of mainstream news. She can't be stupid enough to believe what she's spouting.
The Minsk agreement was a consequence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Come on then tell us what to do? no wishy washy we must talk... actually what practical steps?
@@davidsoulsby1102 NATO can either go in and have a full scale war with Russia and see if they can't go ahead and beat them out, or NATO should surrender and negotiate peace with Russia.
@@davidsoulsby1102 Stop funding wars. Mind our own business. We can't play billy big balls anymore when our own country is invaded daily. We aren't interested in protecting our own country but we want to save Ukraine from the baddies. Spare me.
Peter Hitchens sagacity on issues such as this is truly illuminating.
No it's not. Claiming that the West is responsible for a war that Putin started can only be described as idiotic!
Jesus I never realised how much Hartley Brewer liked to hear herself speak. A real shame because Hitchens is actually knowledgeable about the subject. Fish Wife springs to mind.
Hitchens got he time to speak and all he did was to drone on about NATO and the West...
Although I have my problems with Hitchens, he is completely right on this subject. I can't believe how one sided the debate has been on this conflict in the mainstream media, especially given the fact that about a year before it started they were criticising Ukraine for its Neo Nazi links.
Ok what should practically be done.... in detail?
@@davidsoulsby1102 They are not part of Nato. We have absolutely no obligation to help them. Leave them to it!
@@davidsoulsby1102 Don't send any arms to Ukraine, and encourage peace talks. Don't scupper them - like last time.
@@ForestFan74 Of course we have an obligation. We gave security assurances to Ukraine in the 1990s in exchange for them giving up their nuclear weapons.
@@tomo_xD where was this obligation during the Crimea crisis? It didn't serve our purpose at the time is my guess and now somehow it does. This war should have been over long ago, Russia could stomp them any time they like but apparently that's not part of the game either. The West are heavily involved in prolonging this war. Your average family are the ones suffering from all this mess.
Over 150000 Ukraine soldiers are dead or wounded, they have lost already, 75% from missiles and artillery. This lady wants more of them to go into the meat grinder?
Where did you get the numbers from?
In the last year... there has been six thousand Ukrainian combatants KIA.
( Around the same number of Russians )
This conflict is a series of tiny skirmishes. It really is... a very limited, small scale conflict.
The press have been over dramatising it. Because it keeps the masses from voicing their real interests.
Those that run things in the West... know that in time of war, people put their heads down and just get on with things. They will accept a lower standards of living and ever rising costs.
'War time' is the perfect time to exploit the masses. For politicians...it distracts them from their own issues.
You're trying to make out appeasement has had a great track record agasint genocidal aggression? Seriously...?
Because Putin's the one who has to end doing that by withdrawing to his borders. Ukrainians don't have a choice.
@@patkearney9320 Von Der Leyen let it slip out. There's a reason why you don't hear of Ukrainian casualties, it's because they want you to support prolonging the war. The same reason why you won't find any videos on the MSM of young Ukrainian men being bundled in vans and sent the front against their will. They don't want you to see the human suffering of this war as they want your tax money to prolong it.
@@commonwunder Your figures are a little out. 150k Ukrainian dead. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Thank you Julia for the view from the bunker, based on the data you have received from Volodymyr and Joe. Let's fight this war to the last (Ukranian) man?
So providing Ukraine with air defense systems is killing Ukrainians or what?
When you confront a liar with enough facts, they will eventually say 'who's side are you on?'.
It's that simple. You're not supposed to tell the truth about an enemy.
I do like and normally find I agree a lot with Julia but sorry she is not correct here. To completely disregard the EU's, USA's and NATO's role in the build up to this over the years is not proper journalism.
They're pundits/political commentators on here. Journalists they are not.
Aha, and please explain how it is the West's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine!
Hitchens put her in her place, despite her hogging all the speech time, asking overlong 'questions', and then interrupting Hitchens as soon as he attempted to answer. Her hysteria and straw-manning was spectacular. Hitchens is not the "Putin apologist" she tried to paint him as - but she certainly painted herself as a warmonger.
Bravo Peter Hitchens!
We should send all these warmongers to the front. See how they feel after a few weeks of being shelled and shot at.
There is no point in saying there should be talks etc at this time, no mater what you think of the past. back to the point what will Ukraine have to give up for peace???? we know Russia won't give anything back. stop bleating on and give a practical answer.
Sounds like you're the one bleating buddy. There's always time to sue for peace, unless you're a warmonger.
@@fujohnson8667 Military uniform may do wonders for Julia HB.
Peter Hitchens is always great to hear from
Recently Angela Mercel, Poreshenko and the then President of France, Hollande said they had no intention of implementing the Minsk agreement in 2015, which they signed, but it was a ruse and ploy to gain time for Nato to train and strengthen the Ukrainian army to reclaim Crimea. They were mendacious and deceitful leading Russia by the nose. There are proper foreign journalists that live in the Donbass that have documented the thousands of Russian speakers in the Donbass killed through shelling since 2015.Those journalists are completely shut out by the Western Media and banned from TH-cam Twitter, etc. The lady interviewer uses the same tactic to accuse him of being a supporter of Putin. She is just an ignoramus who just Prattles on without any knowledge of recent history.
Seems on balance that Julia spent about 20 minutes studying this history, whereas her opponent has clearly been paying attention for years.
Sum up the majority of headline reading idiots on this country. They believe the lies they are fed without question i.e. the conflict started in Feb 2022 and there is no back story.
It’s called bloviating. She’s become a master at it. You’d think Boris Johnson and her ate at the same bullshittery factory
Julia’s argument and debating style is like listening to a person describe what she sees whilst she’s wearing virtual reality googles and has a “talking points” soundtrack chosen by CNN and BBC political editors plugged into her ears at the same time.
There is absolutely no depth and sophistication to her argument other than, rather ironically, and with a straight face, saying “that’s why I am a Brexiteer” as though it makes her correct and an anointed view. (She even misses the point that both Boris Johnson and Sunak “voted for Brexit” and it’s anything but!).
Peter was clearly exasperated being forced to a wildly inferior intellect whose only advantage was that she hogged the mic 🎙️ and is evidently proud of wearing an honourary badge that would read: “Loud Imbecile, who doesn’t pause for breath”
Julia, seriously needs to try some joined-up thinking instead of pandering to the handful of simpletons who consume the diet of compliant mainstream narrative you’ve become an expert conspirator and shill for
But in her eyes, she’s the expert
Actually it’s decades, Hitchens lived in the USSR in the 1980s
Julia really needs to have a look into why this was started, and to be honest most of the country needs to as well. They will find it was the US, and the UK. Boris stopped 2 peace negotiation deals. Madness
We know why it was started. Putin wants to recreate the Soviet empire and has openly admitted it.
That's why every excuse under the sun has been recycled endlessly to try and justify it, up and including Ukraine somehow being full of occult Satanist groups (which is unintentionally ironic, as it means Russia is admitting it's a witch-hunt), while Put's lastest speech referred mostly to it being about Ukraine being run by gay Nazis... And most neo-Nazis I've encountered aren't exactly friendly to homosexual folk.
@@Xenomorphine Your massively wrong, why has Putin tried to have two peace negotiations, but turned down by Boris on the orders of Biden. This war could have been prevented, but putting Zedlinsky in power by America, then bombing his own people that didn't agree with him, and NATO putting weapons, and training Ukrainians is a massive red line. What did you think was going to happen. America also had bio laps in Ukraine from 2009 that was working on covid, and other diseases. That's an act of war in itself. You now have a Ukrainian Neo Nazi regiment, ISIS, and other terrorist units fighting for Ukraine with British tax payers money. You all should be ashamed for backing NATO.
Julia is brilliant as always. But maybe that is just my impression because Hitchens makes no sense here at all.
Ukraine regained its sovereignty in 1991, it didn’t emerge as a state, for someone who built a career on vocabulary Peter was either deliberately choosing those words or is inept with his vocabulary sometimes, like the rest of us.
Reminds me of a 16-year-old GCSE history student trying to lecture a critically-acclaimed historian of 40 years experience.
well said second rate junior school teacher
I came here to utter those thoughts exactly.
@You Tube however, and were treated to it more and more often, these days: you can have a debate where only one side is informed but it's extremely taxing and frustrating to those who believe in nuance. In other words, it's a way of blowing up conversation. There's no need for any debate if I have _my_ precious facts and you're _simply_ wrong.
Good grief what an hysterical and misinformed woman,
Totally embarrassing and cringeworthy
OH, I DONT THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A DEGREE TO UNDERSTAND KGB-PUTIN-HITLERS GAME -
THE LOWLY DISABLED, THE ORDINARY JEWS, THE OUTCASTS ...COULD SEE IT 1930'S GERMANY , BETTER THAN THE NARCISSISTIC NAZI [DARWINIAN OBSESSED] EUGENIC CRAZY INTELLECTUALS.... MAKING THEIR 'MASTER RACE' COULD
I really like JHB, but I think she is so wrong on this issue.
I am not trying to be funny I know what the Ukraine people is going through is bad but we shouldn't be sending them millions and arming them there is people here in the UK that need help. People here in the UK should come first
Somebody tell Julia about Northern Ireland.
Is Brewer still praising the poison jabs?
Yes so she can go on holiday
Julia is way out of her depth in this interview and tries to score points by making claims that Hitchens has certain positions and allegiances, even after he repeatedly and clearly illustrates he doesn't. She does a lot of "oops that's inconvenient, but let's skip over that" when it comes to her claims of Ukraine having an elected "democratic" government, but obviously she can't bring herself to concede what a crook Zelenskyy is and the reality of how he got where he is. Julia is nowhere near as coherent in her positions as she used to be.
Wait until you do some research to find out how much of a hideously corrupt entity Putin and his cronies are.
Summary of your "argument": I disagree with Julia, therefore she is an idiot.
@@DieFlabbergast Sure, if that's what you want to believe.
She comes off as a complete and utter moron
@@davidpryce5079 Absolutely!
Hutchins made a total fool of you lady😂
He did no such thing!
People love to cry for war but when all this nastiness is all done and many lives lost along with the destruction you'll find it difficult to find anyone who wanted the war in the first place.
Those who cry to go to war often have no fear their children will be called to fight in it.
I think both sexes would be called to fight nowadays.
That would certainly be an apt description for Putin's regime and his cronies at 'Russia Today'.
Appeasement of genocidal aggression only makes matters worse.
@@Xenomorphine which genocide? That what happened in the Donbas or what is encouraged and is happening to Ukraine soldiers.
@@jayteedeene5981 The absolute atrocities committed by Russian troops. Do I even have to mention Butcha?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 that’s an allegation it’s not proven yet
As usual, simplistic arguments undone by one of the great thinkers and orators of our age.
Julia’s great but I’m not sure I’d go that far
@@tobyyorke2539 😅😂😅😂😂😂who said irony is dead?
Peter's nothing of the sort. He's good when speaking in opposition to Communist ideology, but his late brother, Christopher, was a lot better at geopolitics - and would have totally disagreed with him here.
Especially his white-weashing of Putin's actions with the debunked argument of being about NATO membership, while Putin was on stage and ranting about Ukraine needing to be put down because gay (and Jewish) Nazis somehow run it.
@@Xenomorphine Christopher supported the Iraq war..sure, right, better at geopolitics..
Christopher is dead, this is Peter - a very poor imitation.
Peter knows his geo - politics , not to mention a thorough grasp of history ..Julia may well have learned a bit from this debate..
Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya etc etc didn't want to be invaded by Britain and America. Hypocrisy at its finest!
Julia must have the longest question forms in the history of the English lingo
Hitchens: clear, sober considerations based on historical facts about the region.
Brewer: putin bad
A succinct summary
Roughcovers: Putin Good.
But, on the plus side, she does have a magnificent set of juggs.
She's clueless.
Brewer = cynical, rabble-rousing dolt.
Peter Hitchens is the best.
Julia Hartley Brewer is exercising just about as much wisdom as a girl guide trying to impress her patrol leader! It is amazing how blinkered people can get!
What exactly was she wrong about?
Good effort Peter. On this occasion Julia is naive and wrong and her views are dangerous. She needs to do a little more reading. ✌
If people are so determined to defend Ukraine then they should get a plane to Poland and then on to Ukraine.
Julia is more than willing to send you to fight and die for geopolitics but I doubt she'd be willing for her daughters to go fight and die for zelensky though.
What about the folks who take Russian cash? Do they have to fight for Putin?
@@andrewoliver8930 who takes Russian cash then mate? Come on clear names etc
@F u Johnson The Tory Party have taken donations from a Russian woman who is married to a former Russian Minister.
Bozza played tennis with her.
Lubov Chernukhin
£2.2m
Source: Open Democracy
Nah I'll let my taxes act out the strategic interests of the west.
Peter Hitchins wonderful dude.
TalkTV his audio is too muffled
So inspiring to hear Peter Hitchens. She otoh is beyond her pay grade.
Julia is ceaseless in repeating American media talking points. Beyond that she displays an absolute ignorance of the subject.
You summed her up nicely
She really didn't like the truth that the UK shouldn't get involved in Americas proxy war with Russia lol she really looked out of her depth. When he bought up the fact so many voters in Ukraine are denied the ability to vote and that the government was over thrown.....the look on her face was priceless lol
Yeah, because it's not like Russia's been regularly threatening to move onto Romania, Poland and Germany after this... No, wait, it has.
@@Xenomorphine threatening and actually doing are two separate things
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The unmistakable reaction of a Hitch-slap. She ended the interview/debate shortly thereafter because she felt like an 'abused' wife.
@@SagaciousFrank More like because he wouldn't answer her questions.
I agree with Hitchens, but then I'm German, and we generally didn't get as swept up in this as the ex-allies did
Whatever about the war, but that debate was a win-win for Hitchens.
It certainly wasn't! He couldn't even answer her first question!
I’m with Peter Hitchens, our best interests would be served by bringing this horrible and potentially catastrophic war to a end as quickly as possible. The longer it continues the greater chance of miscalculation which could lead to a nuclear exchange which will not be limited and May lead to a totality of destruction which will be final , I speak as some who was an NBC officer ( look it up). I also am a British patriot who has served in a number of conflicts and lost many friends to warfare, this is life or death situation.
There are several possibilities for NBC. Might help if you would just tell us.
I served with RIR in BATUS. Top lads. They had a guy that could lift 3 men above his head....
This is why I support giving military aid to Ukraine. Its not in our best interests to allow Russia to invade Europe again.
You shouldn’t listen to media propaganda, the Russians have neither capability or intention to invade Western Europe, the Russians have stated no first strike, let’s hope they stick to it. However the longer this war goes on a miscalculation could trigger a clash ,and a nuclear exchange, and then my friend it will be over for all of us.
Was his name John Jemison , if so he was the British Army hammer throwing champion. One tough guy.
My favourite part was when Julia said the democratically elected goverment of Ukraine. The country the West started a coup in 7 years ago lmao.
Even if Ukraine's democracy isn't perfect, how the hell does that give Putin the right to invade?
@@Buster_Piles Oh ffs. RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE!!! NATO did not invade anyone. Is it really so hard to understand?
Russia has CONTINUALLY invaded its neighbors throughout history (do I need to remind you: Poland 1939, Finland 1939, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Afghanistan 1979, Chechnya 1994 and 2000, Georgia 2008 and Ukraine 2014 and 2022). Is it any wonder that countries bordering Russia are begge the west to be part of NATO?
The rest of your post was just paranoid Kremlin propaganda.
Well, was it, in fact, a coup? Do newspapers mention this?
@@Buster_Piles hey OPEN YOUR EYES : RUSSIA HAS NOT RESPECTED THE MINSK AGREEMENT - WHICH THEY SIGNED - Ukraine got rid of the Nukes and hey presto Russia goes and invades ... please open your eyes - they seem very shut
Because the American appointed Ukrainian government bombed ethnic Russians for 8 years before Putin invaded.
Julia beating the drums of war. Journalists literally cost people their lives.
Are you completely blind? Nobody is beating the drum of war except Putin!
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 NATO got the world into this mess.
@@sputnik460 No, Putin did by invading a neighboring country, unprovoked. Is it really that hard to understand? How far up your own arse have you stuck your head to believe otherwise?
@Airbusfan OK mate. You are brainwashed just like Julia. You and her should kit up and join the front line if you feel so strongly about it.
@@sputnik460 What the hell are you talking about? This is not NATO's war - it's Putin's war!! Putin is force conscripting young Russians to die at the front. He's the one to blame for all this! The only brainwashed one here is you (by Kremlin propaganda).
Im surprised Julie seems to have no understanding of the reasons behind this conflict which is surprising as she usually sees through government spin.
It's not difficult: Putin invaded because of of Russian expansionism!
Julia lost big time and embarassed herself by shouting that Peter is a Putin apologist towards the end. Almost like someone shouted in her ear. Hitchen won easy.
she is an idiot talking about the russians torture rape etc, this is not the red army of 1944/45 . and the problem is the corrupt usa ! from the colony of scotland.
She is very much in the mould of a politician, lots to say with no substance.
Evidence based reasoning is not the forte of opportunists like her. She’s a demagogic journalist who just seeks to jump on the Brexit bandwagon, regurgitating neo-conservative (strong military state, small government state) tropes. Ultimately, I doubt she understands what she is talking about. She suffers from Munich syndrome where every new far away despot is Hitler and wants to take over the entire earth given the chance.
Hitchens couldn't have won against the grade-schooler: He couldn't state an argument, as usual. He needs to go back to school and learn what an argument is. You, too, if you think he had an argument.
How did Hitchens win exactly? From what I saw he is lost in his own unintelligible drivel ... you cant make a stand like this and then say you dont support Putin and dont have an answer ...
but hes a god believer so Im just waiting for his solution to be : let God sort this out
I always liked Peter because he always takes the time to ask the other questions that others neglect to ask.
Don't always agree with Peter but he does make you consider the other.
problem here is he started to sound like a Putin/russian apologist, its all our fault me made them invade and kill hundreds of thousands of people
This woman loves the sound of her own voice
😂😂if you can’t win the argument, attack the person you argue with.
JHB totally out her depth. See the look of confusion on her face when presented with cogent and reasoned arguments.
ha ha ha
She parrots the same as the rest of the MSM . They will all fight to the last Ukranian .
For peace the UK has already given away London.
At 14 minutes in Julia says she’s running out of time. Then goes off on a monologue fir a full minute & a half before Peter has to butt in by saying I deserve a turn now. I used to listen to Julia but I’m afraid I can no longer cope with questions that take minutes to ask. Why invite guests on if all you do is tell us what you think?
Is Cuba not an indipendent country .? - - so why usa think has the right to sanction that country ?
Makes me laugh out loud when people call Ukraine a democracy
It's a hell of a lot better than Russia, I can guarantee you that?
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Not really, Ukraine is and was just as much oligarchical as Russia, its elections are more fair yes, but it is not much healthier than russia
@@j.l8539 100s of years of brutal Russian occupation has made its mark on Ukraine, true.
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 100 years of soviet policy ruined most of the ex ussr countries
@@ThomasDanielsen1000 Stop that nonsense Abf. You can't guarantee anything.
Peter was the true logic and intelligence here. Julia is in goodie v baddie land
JHB just hasn't got a damn clue. Ukraine is independent in name only and not in practice.
And that is exactly the Russian straight-jacket they are fighting to get free of!
What an infantile view of foreign affairs this woman has.
'Whose side are you on!?' Why should he be on a side? Peter's a critical thinker and always brilliant to listen to.
"Whoses side are you on?" Russia's, look to history.
Tribal warfare then? I support Celtic
Critical thinking is the ability to effectively analyze information and form a judgment. It also involves being aware of your own biases. Hitchens might pass the analyze and judgement test, but he fails miserably, being aware of his own baises. His disdain of the West clouds his rational.
It's quite obvious that Peter is on Putin's side!
"Which side are you on?" Julia's perspective on this is shrill, sectarian, and deeply ill-informed.
It's quite clear that Peter is on Putin's side!
Is this lady interviewing Peter or is she lecturing him? She interrupts him all the time and spends most of the interview speaking.
Hartley Brewer is one of those people who think they are conservative because of the way they react to woke politics. She doesn´t really know what being conservative is and still thinks it involves voting Tory.
julia take a breath and let peter speak !!
I normally like the view’s of Julia, this time I’m with Peter
Julia needs to stop ranting and let Peter speak. Just illustrates that she has no argument.
Peters view is NOT a minority view at all, let the UK folks vote on it, and see
I'm afraid 😨 to say that this time you're wrong Julie, Peter is right ✅
It's always the sign of a good debate when the interviewer talks more than the interviewee.
Are you being sarcastic?
@@gerardk51 Me? Sarcastic? Never! Well, almost never.
especially when the interviewed is armed with facts and history. So the nervous over talking helps to disguise her ignorance and bias.
Julia hogged the mic 🎤 for 18 minutes out of the 20 allocated
@@tristansolero2159 Nonsense.
The only hole in the argument is that the there’s no evidence they wouldn’t have been more aggressive. Look at what Russia did in 2008 in Georgia?
Fittingly for a christian, Hitchens has the patience of a saint!. Is JHB bothering to consider what he has to say or is she more interested in being on message. Accusing Hitchens if being a Putin apologist because he opposes the continuation of the conflict is very unprofessional.
JHB’s analogy with a beleaguered wife is beyond stupid.
She is totally out of her depth and seeks to compensate by haranguing the interviewee.she has no knowledge of the history of the region.
What is her solution …..war without end until all the Ukrainians are dead and the country is totally destroyed.
This must be solved by diplomacy.
International affairs are without doubt JHBs weak point.
Her stance on this conflict, US politics, you name it, her take is horrible and simply a mindless repeat of the London centric metropolitan media consensus.
I was heartened by the comments on here which are more sensible than the glib opinions I hear around me in support of Ukraine and pouring money into an unwinnable war. Julia is way off on this as she was on the worth of mRNA vaccines. She has gone very quiet on that recently