Peter Hitchens: ‘I have never seen a war where there has been so little effort to end it’
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- The UK will seek to train Ukrainian pilots “as quickly as humanly possible”, Downing Street said, as Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky continued his push for European support.
TalkTV’s Mike Graham and Peter Hitchens debated the UK’s position on the war in Ukraine. Peter Hitchens argues that the there should be more support for peace in Ukraine as apposed to sending new arms.
Peter Hitchens: “All wars end .. the sooner they end the sooner the killing stops. I have never seen a war where there has been so little effort to end it.”
#talktv #talkradio
Should the UK be doing more to try and get peace in Ukraine?
Sure. Stop sending weapons and make them start negotiations.
Absolutely yes, Putin & Russia threatened no one. How would Britain feel if China was training and arming military formations in Ireland and pushing for Ireland to join a military alliance specifically aimed against Britain. Westerners have zero concept of how Russians think and the suffering endured throughout their history. They have a right to be edgy about their border.
Seriously try looking into the IN archives for all the resolutions Russia vetoed so peacekeepers could go in ...i suggest talknradio gets an independent person in like dame Barbara Woodward and ask the right questions not listen to Peter Hitchens self interested hype Hitchens wants and does travel in and through Russia he has to plead *Russians don't mean no harm and it's all the West fault ..or else his trips to the motherland would be risky didn't Putin declare a fifteen year prison sentence for anyone critiquing the war....Hitchens has every right to an opinion but at least challenge his motivation...
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@@susanpotter9720 You write such a big paragraph to justify the war ? The question here is peace, not Hitchens.
As long as the cash registers are still ringing there will be no urge to even begin to end this war.
It's Putin who decides when this war ends!
'Far right' is the latest throw about name calling exercise at anyone not agreeing with the establishment. Just like 'covidiot' , 'anti vaxxer', 'TERF', etc. Sooooo boring 😴.
Angela, never give in to the hard-left mob on social media.
Nazi.
@@James-gf9jl Stupid comment. Debate properly or get off the post.
If there's a 'far right', there must be a 'far left', which oddly is never mentioned. Of course, there are no left radicals or extremists, they only seem to exist on the right.
Correct, if you question the vaccine, you are also a racist and a climate denier. I am happy to be anything they want me to be and they can continue to be complete idiots!!!!!
It’s my jet I paid for it and the answer is no! I hope the other people who paid for these jets agree with me!
I do
Yes, we the people own them not Boris or the PM.
The majority doesn't.
India ,China Russia, Africa, Middle East, Latin America ans Asia vs Europe and North America ( US and Canada) not Mex Mex is neutral.
We can't afford to buy our own jets let alone buy other people's for them lol
War means more money for the rich and powerful...A no brainer really.... Tony cuenca
The right are normally on board with that
'We should focus on our own defense.' The English Channel is undefended and the result is clear.
Yep...stop boat people entering...stop illegal immigrants first.
We're more than capable of doing multiple things simultaneously.
@@Xenomorphine So why aren't we then?
Because the government do not want to and not part of their plans !
Plenty of Navy, RNLI, Coastguard and Border Force in the channel. Trouble is they are helping the invaders.
Where are the millions who marched against the Gulf War? Where are the Peace Not War/CND people who used to stand in our town centres? Where are the people who campaign against the UK sale of military equipment to other countries? Where are the people who protested at American bases in the UK?
I protested against the Iraq war along with over a million others and do you know what happened? They ignored Public feeling and went to War anyway :/
They all might think ? What Putin is doing against Ukraine is just so wrong , right ?
All hanging their yellow and blue flags out of the window and opposing a negotiated settlement because that's the 'correct' virtue signal of the day? There are a LOT of people who are convinced that you can beat a nuclear super-power and that once the good side (Gandalf) has prevailed, the world will be a better place. In reality, countless more people will die before, eventually, a line is re-drawn on a map.
Tony blair got the highest honours from the late Queen what does that tell you. Rishi will be next in line
@@BanjoPixelSnack yep, me too
When I stick up for my country I am defined as right wing , when I don't believe what Boris and Zelensky are telling us I am all of a sudden left wing and should go and live Russia?.
Sadly that’s the way it is my friend 🙁.
Russia is not Left-Wing.
Relax, I am Left-wing and I agree with Peter. There were maybe tens to hundreds of times in the last 10 years to avoid this war, and all the West/US did was to double down and provoke it more. That said, Putin started it, and either blew it bigtime, or doesn't have the media power some say he does in the West, or just plain doesn't know what he's doing.
So many good debates on this, and the logical factual narratives are always on the Hitchens, Mearsheimer, Cohen, Kennan , etc side -- yet in these Oxford-Style rigged debates they always lose to the establishment line.
Both sides have to find a way to detach from their irrational extremists and find a way to realize that both sides are being played just as well as Putin was played in order that there be no social concensus on how America is broken and how to fix it.
Because there is no difference between left and right, both sides are controlled establishment tools.
@@user-xq1eo6wi9r Thank you 🙏.
Left wing, why?
Ask Boris why the peace treaty was not signed!
He told Zelensky to do as he was told by our masters.
@@davidfisher9026 - and no peace treaty!
@@davidfisher9026 If he had any balls, he would have tried to find out the detail of exactly what Putin wanted in the 1st place, aand delayed the puppeteering of his country, before putting his country through a living hell cannot Escape from now
@@davidfisher9026 No, he did not, you paranoid fool!
We dont know what the russians demanded. You cannot say anything relevant about that since we dont know the content of the negotiations.
The plan is for it not to end anytime soon
There will only be an end when it’s negotiated. There is no one even attempting this. Why?
Uncle Sam wants to bleed Russia dry and make Europe completely dependent on them for LNG.
Because they need as much chaos as possible to usher in their one world order and enslave us all under the guise of "saving us"
The West don't want it. It does provide a useful distraction for certain things.
Leaders were humiliating themselves practically begging Putin to remove his troops from the border this time last year. Remember Macron sat at Putin ridiculous table? Putin wants to take the whole of Ukraine and there is no evidence he has changed his mind on this. He's mobilized the civilian population. He doesn't want peace, he doesn't want negotiation. He wants capitulation. And if he gets it he will rebuild his forces and take more countries. There can't be peace until Putin has gone.
no one is attempting this cos the American neo cons have ordered Zelensky no to, zelensky is the puppet of the war mongering bastards in America
We should not be sending planes to Ukraine.. we should be looking after our own border's..
But your government does not care about other countries borders.
No planes have gone to Ukraine.
... to defend yourselves against the EU, I suppose.
@@ipiap You know damn well what against.
Defending our borders eith fighter jets 😂 how well armed are these dinghy things?!
Peter is right, now is the time to negotiate for peace, if it goes any further I think we’re all in trouble!
That's what Chamberlain thought.
We are in mortal danger if we let Putin steal one square millimetre of Ukraine. After Russia has left Ukraine we negotiate, not before.
@@Trevor_Austin that’s not how negotiations work.
Peace was already negotiated in Istanbul, Boris flew to Kiev to stop it
@@davidanderson7138 Does Boris have a ton of shares in arms-manufacturing companies?
Ukraine have already got more equipment than our troops have
Yup!
Can't Britain get a loan from the Ukraine goverment
That is nonsense and you all know that.
@@bighands69 says who
@@paulslater9061
Says anybody with half a brain. Ukraine does not have an airforce that is anywhere near the UK level or tank battalions that would even come close. Ukraine does not even have a military communications system at the level of the UK never mind its arms.
The Ukraine war is really shocking - its got a the feel of a Vietnam war in Europe, except that we are fighting a nuclear armed power. What is worse is that the EU is supposed to stand up for Europe, rather has acted as a door mat for US interests.
It's nothing like Vietnam
@@goodyeoman4534 it is if you compare the length it's designed to last but Putin could literally squash Ukr@ine in two months if he wanted too.
@@stephenboyd4934 it's not, though. The Vietnam lasted about a decade. Longer if you count the French campaign. Ukraine is a year old. But I agree the antagonism goes back much further to the putsch of 2014, and then before that all the way to WW2 etc.
How so?
Funny how you have UK in your username, yet you spell like you've only seen the nation on the telly.
Almost like 'they' never want it to end. 🤔
Almost like Putin doesn't want to end!
The U.K. is sliding down into miserable irrelevance. What was once a reasonable country to live in, is now the most awful cold war U.S.S.R. distopia.
So is Canada 🇨🇦😡
And everywhere
Just what Russia wants.
@@ThePierre58 russia just wants nato nukes not to approach
@@ThePierre58 Russia is the one that wants the status quo, it is the US that wants to change that against the democratic will of the Ukrainian people who are largely ethnically Russian. This is a war that Biden stirred up in 2014 not Putin.
After more than 70 years we have failed to review the purpose (if there is one) of our allegiance to American foreign policy. It is time we did so, the world order is obviously shifting.
Should we plough our own furrow? If not, which team of oxen do you think it would be preferable to hitch on to?
The floor is yours and we eagerly await your reasoned response.
@@robertcook2572 exactly, that is why we need a review...
@robertcook2572 also..happy to chair the committee...it would be interesting 😉
@@robertcook2572 my personal opinion is that we should keep our allegiance with the USA.
The EU have just unveiled their so called EU defence force, but in reality it will become the EU army. An EU politician a few years ago mentioned the set up of this army. A comment they made was that it would enable the EU to be capable of taking on the USA. Nothing about the EU's mentality surprises me. The UK have been at war with most of its countries for hundreds of years.
Regarding Ukraine, a lot of people, husbands, wives, sons and daughters have lost their lives for the sake of someone who us deranged and suffers from psychosis. He believes rightly or wrongly that the west wanted to take over Russia. So he has invaded a country which supplies the most grain to a large part of the world including the UK. He wants the country because it has large deposits of rare earth metals and these food sources.
The world should have taken the initiative earlier and placed military training bases in Ukraine before Russia's build up. This may have deterred. But we're here now, so we'll just have to wait it out.
A rare exception was Harold Wilson's refusal to get involved in the disastrous Vietnam War -- he simply said No. (A little word we don't use often enough.)
Hahaha, as you get older the number of things you're not allowed to do is not much greater than the things you cannot do. -Hitchens
First of all ,I'm English and proud of my heritage . And because I said a shortened name for a person from another country of origin ,for grooming young WHITE girls and abused his status as a councillor .I've got to appear in court .The other criminal offence was apparently urging far right to take weapons and paint to attack CARE 4 CALAIS ,being as my original text was ,to take these things to protect themselves from the brutal Territorial Support Group . Not to assault C4 Calais although my personal opinion is that this charity is complicit in people smuggling as well as the gangs operating in Europe. You can't be A patriot in England , the system we find ourselves in today is that the establishment seem to Erasing thoughts of the English .And don't forget ENGLAND is still a country at the moment .
Another discussion about the Ukraine war, totally ignoring, the terrorist attack by the US on the North Sea gas pipeline, I used to read Peter Hitching page on the Sunday Mail, but that was years ago, this days he just waffles about less risky events, just like every body else. Are they all afraid?
@James Evans lol
And I am Welsh and proud of my heritage. If people want people settling in England to speak English. I would like people (including the English) to learn to speak Welsh if they settle in Wales.
@@zedeyejoe Well; if in Wales the main language spoken was Welsh and not English than people moving to Wales would have to learn Welsh, without having to be force to, alas that is not the case, but if they want to learn Welsh they can do so, no one is stopping them
@@marcellogenesi6390 Don't worry, Welsh is coming back after having been suppressed by the English for decades.
It's all about money with America nothing else
The Americans are happy to fight to the last Ukrainian.
No, it's all about Russia's imperial ambitions!
walking with my wife in the Peak District today...walked pass 2 women....obviously said " morning ladies " my wife said " what if they don't want you to say that ?"...I answered " I'm 58 years old...there ladies , and I'm polite
well said!
Please be careful as i have heard that Matt Lucas and David Walliams regularly take walks in the Peak District. 😀
I hope your wife was joking.
......I would have done the same, it's called politeness, it's getting rarer by the day.
All about American interests - removing Europe’s cheap energy supplier so the can sell their LNG to Europe at 4/5 times the price.
I agree, but that doesn't excuse Russia's invasion of Ukraine, not to mention Georgia , crimea and chechnya before. Europe can always find a way to diversify their energy needs moving forward with wind, solar, wave power etc
@@staceydunne4317 Here and there you've got things wrong. Georgia actually startet the war against Russia, Crimea has a long history which has to be considered .
@Xenia Kipper Georgia gained independence from Russia in 1991 during the breakup of the soviet Union. Georgia never invaded. It was actually Russian interference in South Ossetia and Abkhazia when trying to annex those regions exactly like they did in crimea. Your argument is that Russia has history in Crimea. Well, didn't Russia also have a history with Georgia and Ukraine being former members of the soviet Union ? At the end of the day, Crimea belongs to Ukraine, and Russia annexed it for their own greed.
Yes, because they mind-controlled Putin into stupidly trying to anex Ukraine...
@@Xenomorphine where did you get that from in my comment? You’re arguing with Straw men.
The whole Judicial system needs to be overhauled. Prevent was never a good idea, from the start it was problematic in its system of dealing with terrorists or those associated with terrorism.
These two gentlemen are a breath of fresh air ! Peter has a wealth of knowledge ! A privilege listening to this man
Moron
What about the potato with glasses?
@@prettyflowers9995 what about him, that analogy reminds one of Boris, the potato head?
Peter is a spastic.
I'm surprised he's not blaming it all on weed, that's his usual narrative for everything.
No, Hitchens does not have a wealth of knowledge - all he can do is regurgitating Kremlin propaganda!
I dont agree with giving ,jets to ,Ukraine we have ,already helped with tanks and I think Zelensky coming over and asking for more help is taking liberties with our good nature
Zelensky going around the world staying in 5 star hotels while Ukraine young boys and men been forced to fight and die in the war
Peter Hitchin. This is all the new way of our world now. There is no room now for goodness and kindness in unusual circumstances
Peter, could it be that it suits a certain section of society to let the Ukraine war carry on longer than was necessary. That way the world leaders, possibly even member of the WEF could use the results of this war, higher fuel costs, rare earth materials and food shortages.
It would not surprise me that the powers that be, would so dispassionate to allow such an appalling loss of life on both sides, in order to expedite their vision of 'a great reset'.
The powers that be, should be ashamed.
The costs are rising since last year. Not only in the UK but everywhere in the EU . And we have to be proud to pay our due for democracy and freedom.
Yes we are being fed a false narrative. This is not about fighting for Ukraine autonomy and democracy. It seems to be more about control of the European masses, with their consent. Why are we accepting of crippling energy and fuel prices? Is it because we feel that we are all doing our bit for the war effort? Please!! are we all so subjugated that we think that the elite are suffering to the same degree as us?!
Having the Ukrainian war carry on longer than necessary is something you'd do to PREVENT Ukraine getting the proper means to defend itself.
That's a very valid point. Unfortunately, Hitchens seems to be very reluctant to broach that subject and all that it entails.
Never put down to a conspiracy that which can be explained through incompetence.
Peter H says what no one else
does. Yes why are we not talking
about ending war Ukraine !
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We'd love to. Ukraine would love to, also.
Unfortunately, Putin disagrees.
It can end now if Russia withdraws its troops from Ukraine. Unfortunately Ukraine cannot do the same.
The Ukraine is merely the battleground upon which the american empire is fighting a war against Russia. The Ukraine's duty is, as it promised, to supply its citizens as cannon fodder to the Russian army.
To the last man.
Then the empire can rinse and repeat in Taiwan against China.
Where is the international statesman who is sensible enough and courageous enough to want to try to negotiate an end to the Ukraine/Russian war?
The UK doesn't have any 'jets' to send!
We do; old tranche 1 Typhoons. They're not really configured for what we need.
They aren't configured to low-altitude operations, however. Stuff like F-16s and Gripen would be far more suitable.
British defence is at an all time low ..to the point we need every bit of equipment we have….no equipment should be sent without replacing our depleted RESORCES Uk first 🇬🇧🇬🇧👍🇬🇧👍
The rich and powerful are also, almost by definition, experts in human psychology. They gave us toys and distractions and we bought it all. We don't have people who march for anything any longer. Too busy with a phone jammed in our faces searching for adoration and products.
The people are bizzy consuming anything that they are told they must have.
Definitely not we’ve given them enough how can our government keep giving to other countries when we can’t help our own people.
Governments do help their own people in every conceivable way. The problem is that "their people" are not the ordinary people who voted them into office.
If Peter Hitchens was PM we would be in a lot better place
I think not, he is a Russian sympathiser
@@kevinbailey3384 yes, it’s very apparent you think not at all.
@@peterbluesman Actually the opposite,
@@kevinbailey3384 Your Babbling mate
@@peterbluesman LOL! Very good!
Void the act of union and return England to the English Constitution.
And so little parliamentary debate about measures. Sunak spaffs money and resources we havent got and no one in parliament queries this insane response to a foreign war that is nothing to do with us. Perhaps he will be happy when he gets WW3.
The arms manufacturers don't want the war to end.
PUTIN doens't want the war to end, you fool!
We needent wonder what would happen ,. We just need to look at Dover invasion over the last two summer,s, where we did nothing to stop .
the Dover invasion has been going on since 1997 it's only the last few years they have been using dingys ask any one from Dover or any truck driver who used Dover ferrys
I’ve never seen a war with so little tv footage.
On the other hand there’s been a balloon or two floating around and we’ve seen those.
First one seen floating about was a week after Chinese New year 😂🤣😂🙃😉
There are hours upon hour upon hours of combat footage.
Some of them really stomach-turning.
@@jakubklis6797 I meant on main stream media, I should have made myself more clear.
Normally we get drip fed the explosions and carnage hourly by the news channels , we have for years but this one there’s almost nothing on the news.
There are entire You Tube channels with nothing BUT footage from the front lines. It sounds like you're not trying to seek it out.
@@Xenomorphine I said mainstream media ie cnn msnbc bbc etc, sounds to me like you’re just trying to be an awkward twat.
There is a Rage against the war event in Washington DC on the 19th February. George Galloway has a anti war, anti NATO event planned for the 25th February in London.
Thanks for that. I was wondering if we'd ever have a demonstration against the war here but the our ruling regime and the police will probably ban it
Western weapons cannot eliminate Russia's strategic dominance in Ukraine, which is why negotiations and a peace deal is the only way out of this horror for the Ukranian people.....
The problem with Nato military support for Ukraine is that while it might give Ukraine a localised tactical victory here or there it doesnt make a dent on Russia's unassailable strategic advantage over its neighbour.
This essentially means Russia in Ukraine has an 'escalatory dominance Ukraine can never hope to achieve, a strategic supremacy that all the tanks and missiles in western inventories simply cant eliminate and for a very simple reason. Russian tanks and missiles can attack anywhere in Ukraine, at will.
Ukranian tanks and missiles cant openly attack an inch of Russia. Russia attacking Ukrainian soil cant start a world war. Ukraine attacking Russian soil can. This means regardless of how advanced the weapon systems the US sends the Ukranian army the scope to unleash their full power is severely constrained. Russia on the other hand suffers no such limitations as to the punishment it can inflict on Ukraine
Put in another way if Ukraine launches a missile attack on Moscow that destroys Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian government, the consequences are - we are in World War 3 territory. On the other hand, If Vladimir Putin orders a missile strike on Kiev that kills Zelensky, the consequences are - Nato will call a press conference! And possibly tighten a few sanctions making it more difficult for Russian housewives to get hold of their favourite gucci hand bags.
On the battlefield itself strategic weakness detracts from tactical advantage. Whats the point having the best tanks if they cant cross the Russian border to destroy the logistical systems and arteries that enable the Russian armies occupation of the Donbas. Where is the sense in having advanced F -16 fighters if they can be shot down by Russian air defences based in Russian territory which the F-16s are prevented from attacking. A constraint Russan jets dont face in attacking Ukraine.
There is no example in millitary history where tactical acumen has ever overidden a wholly unfavourable strategic situation similar to the one Ukraine currently faces How can the 300,000 Russian troops currently occupying eastern Ukraine be pushed out when the strategic situation prevents Ukraine from attacking their supply bases, logistical centres and command posts which are situated beyond their strategic reach in Russia.
If the allies had not been able to bomb, at will, the entire breadth of Germany during the second world war, destroying bridges, dams, railway hubs, supply bases and the entirety of the conplex network of production and supply nodes and routes that make modern war possible, the Normandy invasion would have ended up at the bottom of the English channel.Ukraine has not got the ability, the strategic depth to do to Russia, what Russia is doing to Ukraine.
This means all it can do is give its assailant a bloody nose, which might be enough if Russia did not see this struggle as exustential. Unfortunately for Ukraine they do. Which means defeat for the Kremlin is not an option
To win a war you need more than weapons. You need a strategy. Supplying weapons regardless of how advanced is not a strategy. The west currently has no serious strategy in Ukraine, a critical weakness being concealed by Churchillian bluster and endless weapons supplies from its dwindling stocks.
The war has consumed the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukranian soldiers lives as the Russians sit back to preserve their soldiers while using its overwhelming advantage in long range firepower to bleed the Ukranian army white.
Russias strategic dominance has not been seriously affected by western support for a nation that cant match the blows of its enemies, so is forced to sacrifice its youth in a futile struggle that increasingly seems to be serving the geo political objectives of its backers, stress Russia and test new weapons rather than preserve the sovereignty of a country that has become little more than a pawn on the international chess board of power politics.
A peace deal is the only way out of this horrific ordeal for the Ukranian people.
Very well put and explained . Thanks for that. I totally agree .
Strongly agree.
Agree with you and your point of view, I watched the channel four news tonight and Matt Frei was interviewing a Ukrainian official who replied to a question along the lines that Ukraine was a "world power" along with its "Allie America", these people are delusional in there outlook and reality.
I believe that on the list of extremist terrorist groups in Europe, after Islamic terrorism, comes left-wing extremism. Right-wing extremism is/was listed around 4th on the list, after various separatist groups, last time I checked.
Odd though isn’t it, that we never, ever hear about left wing terrorists/extremism on any level, yet the narrative about the existence and threat of right-wing extremism, is pushed from so many quarters. I can’t even count the amount of TV series and films I’ve watched, that end up revolving around this relative non-issue. But, wasn’t it Goebbels that said, "repeat a lie often enough, and it becomes truth"?
Yeah, like the lie that the nazis, Hitler, mussolini etc were all right wing which they clearly weren't.
One of the cleverest moves of the left was blaming the right and having it believed
Do you recall, about three years ago, when Special Branch cited that far right extremism had significantly increased? From two terrorists to four.
What left wing extremism?
Can someone please explain to me why Russia HAS to be our enemy?
Because the US said so. That’s why.
@@sojourn6697 Isn't it time we stopped being America's nodding dog?
@@filmserve Can't do that, they will shut down the UK's tax havens.
@@filmserve No it's time to become the 51st state. Best outcome for the UK at this point.
@@entropy5431 that would be like joining the Titanic just before it hit the iceberg.
Its not a “war”. Its WEF theatre….
Tell that to the Ukrainian people...
@@Xenomorphine Collateral damage….
@@davidwebb4904 I'm sure you'll make them happy, speaking of them like that.
This has nothing to do with the WEF and everything to do with Putin having an expansionist ego-trip.
@@Xenomorphine I was in Ukraine in June and October last year. This "war" is a joke.
@@davidwebb4904 bullshit you have been there .
Top geezer Hitchens!
Thank you for having an actual conversation and letting Peter speak unlike a certain member of your team.
Julia called out his nonsense, Mike doesn't.
The UK needsto get out of involvement in the Ukraine war
Peter Hitchens has a great outlook for his foreign policy.
We should put him in charge of health. He'd negotiate a peace with cancer.
Jacob Rees Mogg,Melanie Phillips,Rod Liddle and Douglas Murray are four of our most articulate,intelligent personalities,I highly regard them ! That must make me deplorably ‘far right’ according to the far left ,I assume !
Ditto.
Murray maybe. The other 3 are bores.
Rees Mog good heavens!
Rees Mogg should be stripped of British citizenship as he moved money abroad to avoid UK taxes.
@@adriftinaboat3452 it’s not really. The country is becoming so woke it would be incapable of fighting anything.
Absolutely Not !
We should be sending jets to the English channel. 🤔
What would they do there?
It has never been Russia v Ukraine. Wake up
Err yes it has! Russia invaded Ukraine. It's not like this is very difficult to understand.
Lots of vested interest in keeping this war going.
The only one keeping this war going is Putin!
NO WE SHOULD NOT SEND JETS TO ZELENSKY....
Perfectly put
Government: an organised institution of self serving egotists that creates problems that never existed and then, applies extremely expensive, protracted solutions that don't work.
They do work - if only as a means of channeling public money to the friends of the said government which then turns into a vicious cycle that keeps both sides in work.
It’s consuming the best bree ding stock on both sides. We’ve seen the playbook before.
The small hats are loving it.
It’s like we want the war to last as long as possible 🤔
Errr, no! We want Russia out of Ukraine as fast as possible!
In the old days the socialists were out spoken but today it is the conservatives who are out spoken.
Great comment 👍
Because we are not in power anymore across the Anglo-sphere
“This is not simply a matter of good and evil” - Hitchens referring to the war in Ukraine. He then goes on to vilify the Russian invasion. Which is it Mr Hitchens? In my opinion though, the evil is coming from the supposedly harmless comedian who is carrying himself with so much dignity, that you refer to. The government of Ukraine, by admission of the US State Department web site, is corrupt.
He is not harmless he has taken credit as the nice underdog! Bullshit. As for sending Jets are they mad?
@@patkearney9320 he didn't say "harmless" - he said "supposedly harmless".
Are you not vilifying the Russian invasion?!
@@cdo...49283 No. Are you?
@@sojourn6697 Yep, violent murder and destruction of so many civilians lives is in no way justified here. I feel bad for you if your moral compass doesn't see that..
NO more WAR!
Tell that to Putin.
@@Xenomorphine - Why? he was ready to honour the Minsk agreements it was the others who were not and have admitted as much!
@@nemosays6337 Russia's been a bad faith actor. Ukraine's repeatedly tried to do peace talks since day one and, at every turn, Russia has turned around and done exactly the opposite.
Remember when they claimed to agree to humanitarian corridors, so that civilians could escape? Russians immediately started to shell them.
Remember when they promised to leave the ports alone, so that an impending world food crisis could be averted by shipments of Ukrainian grain? Russians launched missiles at them.
Russia also agreed to never invade Ukraine, if Ukraine handed over the nuclear weaopns it inherited after the Soviet Union fell, too...
You can only negotiate if you're not dealing with a bad faith actor who immediately - and repeatedly - breaks agreements.
@@nemosays6337 Lol, don't make me laugh! Russia and the Russian-backed revels broke the Minsk agreement before the ink was dry. Don't believe all the Kremlin propaganda you have been fed.
War is too lucrative to give up . Its the biggest transfer of cash from the taxpayers to a few individuals who ownd and run the arms corporations. And the man on the street has to pay the bill , sometimes for generations to come.
Only man who actually knows what he’s talking about.
Make him prime minister instead of one useless plonker after another that we have these days.
All Hitchens can do is regurgitate Kremlin propaganda!
.. Like lockdown, the general public bought this story, without question
I don't agree with Hitchens on much but on this I do - the silence has been deafening when it comes to peace and diplomacy... the blood lust is strong.
Ukraine proposed a peace plan in November which Russia rejected. So who's preventing peace?
Common sense as usual my hero
From a man who thinks spring starts in the middle of February?
We all live in Clown 🤡 world
As Alex would say.
Great discussion. Peter Hitchens is always sensible.
The center ground is the interplay point between discussing the advantages and disadvantages of proposals. That way things are evolved and progressed. The converse is true - extreme positions don't progress, embed failures. The proponent puts forward the hypothesis. The sceptic shoots holes. The back and forward sorts out the problems.
This is not our fight 😤
WHAT!!!!! It’s all the worlds fight !!!
@@judihrynenko5018 no its not
@@elaine8417 The logic of that is that any country can conquer another country without anything being done to stop them. Surely humanity has evolved from that position by now?
@@rewdwarf123not our war , Ukraine not in NATO , not in EU .
@@rewdwarf123 wars are going on constantly all around the world do we arm them all.....I doubt it
No we should be protecting our shores from being invaded.
The uk and nato must end all military support for ukraine that would leave zelensky no choice but to go to the negotiating table or sacrifice his people.
Oh, no! I have read many Douglas Murray and Hitchens books. Both brothers. Should I be polishing up my jack boots?
does Douglas Murray has any of substance to say
@@TerryStewart32 the great political thinker of our time. He has assumed Scruton’s mantle. Read The Madness of Crowds
Zelensky must have spent about thirty bob of Ukraine’s money, so far.
Thank you, well said 👏🏻 👍
Give peace a chance
Thing about war, and no one seems to have learned this lesson from the history of violence is that it's a deeply ironic enterprise. You very rarely get what you expect. Additionally, has anyone thought about what exactly victory looks like? I've heard some people in Washington talk about wanting to get rid of Putin. Great. Whom do you think would replace him? Can you guarantee that they're better? In sum, we're careening full speed in the dark, and I pray that we don't trip into life ending catastrophe.
I've gotta be honest. I don't think Ukrainian sovereignty is worth risking all organised life on this planet. There. I wrote it. Call me a white nationalist or homophobe or whatever other nonsense now...but that's what I think.
Good mam! I think of you more like those two brave Irish MEPs that stand up to the EU's bullshit day in and day out. Mick Wallace and Clare sorry I forget her surname though I can see her face and hear her voice in my mind.
The UK support for Ukraine is an exercise in bleeding Russia; politically, economically & militarily -- to include both material, as well as manpower. It's part of a game that has been in progress for hundreds of years. In fact, funding & support for our enemies in the middle-east has been coming from Russia and what you are seeing now is payback.
Thanks
I love how Peter says 'Morning.'
Spring starts at the end of March. So much for being a know it all
Most people seem to have this weird definition of the seasons that shrinks autumn and spring, something like Spring: end of Feb - sometime in Apr, Summer: Apr - Sep, Autumn: Seems to be about 6 weeks in Oct - Nov! Winter: Nov - Feb.
@@sotv2045 I was rather surprised a few months ago that meteorologists do not use the solstices & equinoxes as the start/end of the seasons. E.g. They define winter as starting on the 1st of December.
@@geoffas I have to admit I do love saying "AHH! The first day of summer!" around 21st June every year, and getting corrected that it's "well.. it's mid-summer!". I'm surprised Peter Hitchens isn't all over it with his "contrarian" ways.
Ah, Peter, the man whom states the bleeding obvious but, bizarrely, that no other twit dares to say.
On the other hand, the contrarian who spouts simplistic tosh.
The man is the subject so who not whom. Sorry I am learning German and Russian and grappling with that in those languages is far more complex than who or whom.
@@richardswaby6339 I never knew that, not surprising as so much I don’t know.
I am from a vintage that was not formally taught any grammar, at least I don’t remember being taught any. All I can remember were board rubbers glancing off my forehead and discussions about Lewis and Lucretius.
Had God designed the world, it would not be
A world so frail and faulty as we see.
One of the few improvements in the education system is that they now teach English as if it were a foreign language, however, Lewis has been deposed by Jamaican poets instead.
Its amazing and refreshing to hear two people talk in a manner that makes sense. I haven't a clue what's happening in the world right now but fuck me it's nice hearing some sanity.
Oh Peter I give you credit for treading carefully in towing Ofcom guide lines
Why does pudgy keep interrupting?
A whole country fights tooth and nail for regaining its territory..that is a lot of effort to end a war.
no, that's the complete opposite of wanting to end the war actually.
Idiot NPCs like you are part of the problem! The origins of this go back to WW2 when Ukraine sent so many to man the death-camps for Jews, and to this day still venerate fascists and Nazis!
And where were thickets like you and JH-B when Ukraine deposed the elected Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych who was pro-Russia, and followed by terror inflicted on the ethnic Russians of the Dombas by the fascist Azov Brigades?
Putler loves you even if I dont.
@@Leo-sx1ds So any country that is being invaded should surrender immediately? Is that your suggestion?
No we shouldn’t send anything to Ukraine never mind aircraft
So we let Putin steamroll into Ukraine to kill and rape innocent Ukrainians? What a great idea!
Hitchens: "We should achieve a peace agreement that will guarantee lasting peace in that region". HOW, Peter? HOW? Give us some details! How do we get such a peace? What should it contain? Come on, oh wise one, tell!
Hitchens: England should have averted WW2 by surrended to Nazi Germany in 1939
Do you think the fighting should have continued in 1945 then?
Not really the same situation at all.
@@CivicMikey it's exactly that, just replace Sudetenland with Crimea and Ukraine for Poland.
Also the Nazi plan was genocide and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale, and colonization of Central and Eastern Europe by Germans. Hitler also wanted to neutralize the UK initially - hoping the British government would accept his offer to end the war.
@@Leo-sx1ds It didn't need to continue because the Axis powers finally surrendered, with its leaders either killing themselves or being arrested.
War is hell. But when faced with tyranny, fighting back is the only answer.
During the 1930s, we did nothing to stop Hitler's march over Europe; instead, we stood by and did nothing as he conquered nation after nation. There was a death toll of 85 million people as a direct result of the lack of action taken to stop Hitler.
Let's not make the same mistake twice, okay? The people of Ukraine deserve our assistance, and if providing them with jets is a prerequisite for that assistance, then we must provide them with jets so they can continue the fight.
When you say "we", who are you referring to?
Not every dictator is Hitler, drop the Churchill obsession.
@@TonyFarrugiaStrongman correct. We sacrificed everything for Burger King and african refugees who hate us.
@@TonyFarrugiaStrongman It was a... Mistake to confront Nazi Germany?
You realise Mosley was a Fascist supporter, right?
@@Xenomorphine yes, WW1 and WW2 were both terrible mistakes which lead to the death of millions of Europeans.
hell no
So true
No,but I fear our involvement is inevitable.
This interview was a real meeting of the mind
They should be doing more to get peace in their own bleeding country, allowing thousands upon thousands of unchecked men in with open arms.
We've sent billions of pounds over, weaponry and anything else needed, it's about time our government helped our people.
NO . We've Got troubles of our own we are falling apart at the seams
you cannot have peace without an acceptable peace offer. and that can only be achieved on the field.
No no no no no and no!
Should UK send jets to Ukraine? No!