I & my friend always did this trick on our older phones by reapplying PC grade thermal paste & adding thermal copper plate if needed in certain phones. Thanks PBK for publishing the review to public for awareness
@@wise7260...thermal copper plate/ copper shim is placed at ram/ and cpu die its wont be touching evenly so you'll need a thermal paste to spread its contact area.... Die-paste-shim/plate-paste-cooler/frame...
Great idea adding another chamber! That would increase the time before the SoC overheats. May I suggest one thing, when running the synthetic test, be sure to run it 3 times in each iteration and take average values? This way you can insure that the score is accurate and there isn't anything influencing the results, like apps running in background or Android doing something.
Thanks! The test I ran was sped up 5000x because its a 20 min test that repeats the test 20 cycles and gives the best loop score as well as the worst loop score and displays the graph to see how it was averaging. So in essence I ran it more then 3 times :)
If you dont wanna remove your phones cover just put a copper sheet at the back of your phone and the second layer put some thermal adhesive and then graphite sheet film
I had an old galaxy a7 2016 which got to freaking 92°c.I applied thermal paste on the processor and ram which made them dissipate heat to the aluminum frame.The temperatures dropped drastically from 92°c to only 70°c.The phone reached 70°c in the worst case scenario.After doing this only the side metal rail got a bit hot because the processor was now dissipating heat to something.The old thermal solution was a joke.It was a super small and a very thin thermal pad which dissipated the heat from the processor to a thin copper film which would conduct the heat back towards the motherboard.I also applied thermal paste to the backside of the processor.
Hey can you tell me the materials used,im planning to do that on my phone and didnt understand some materials used on the video,Also can you tell me the dimensions of the copper plate you used?
@@PBKreviews Thanks for replying. Although my phone is a poco x4 gt with a plastic back, it wouldn't trap the heat at all? Also is it ideal if I add a copper tape/foil before adding the graphene film?
Are you referring to internal temp or external housing temp? Usually when 4K recording, the phone uses a lot of processing as well as battery power so would heat up quite a bit.
@@pixels_per_inch internal shouldn't matter to you. Measure the external temperature, if possible or if it really let's so hot that it's not holdable anymore, then it's valid to be concerned Listen at 1:35 in the video
just done on my 2 years old exynos s22 ultra ,phone started to restart and did the black screen of death thing ,still not much about around. thermal paste was like dry biscuit and graphite foil was dried onto the shield completely around. no bsod since upgrade ,thanks
@@NiKhiLSaYi don't know really because copper has better heat transfer. tried with graphite and had to take apart again wasn't great,removed and used a similar sized copper ,sanded down on glass both side then both side thermal paste ,video is good only Hydronaut works and now good ,3dmark always in top 1%. maybe the best would be copper foil on the top to close the gaps ,there is copper foil in garden shops
I'm wondering if placing a peltier module cooler on a Nintendo switch will have the same effect. I'm seeing a lot of magnetic phone coolers equipped with peltier modules or TECs.
I'm not too familiar with peltier module cooling, but I would think something like that doesn't really transfer heat away from the component rather than just providing a somewhat cooler surface against the component. Again not too sure since I'm not familiar with those. The phone coolers have a fan usually which also draws or displaces the surface heat so with that in combo with a peltier module cooler I would see some cooling.
Yes! Those work extremely well. Only tested on s22 ultra when playing a few emulators. It was fridge time every 7 minutes of play. Until I tried this peltier cooling pad. Though I have a really good good cool an Alaskan cucumber! Play no frame drops for hours at time mine is plugged in power supply I've seen the built in battery option as well.
@@PBKreviewsI have a s21 and a v1 switch cracked. I replaced the thermal paste, thermal putty for the v1 switch and bought the black shark fun cooler 4. The switch got like 15-20° cooler. The phone with the cooler from 42° to 30° (if I'm gaming heavy). If I just watch a video and use the cooler, it goes down to like 17° The cooler itself gets to 0° and absolutely cools the phone down. You can feel the phone is very cold to the touch when using it.
Fantastic video!! Do you have any suggestions on where to source a vapor chamber replacement part, wanna do this for my old phone but can't find anything on aliexpress
You would probably need to fine a broken screen assembly with frame which comes with the vapor chamber attached to it or something like that. Usually they aren't sold as a replacement part individually.
Doing the test with the phone lying on a flat surface is not ideal, because the heat dissiipation via the back surface is hampered. If I may I would suggest that you do the test with the phone in vertical position, so that the back can emig the heat to the ambient air. Keeping a note of the ambient temperature would also be valuable for comparison.
True, I was just considering in reality the phone would be in someones hands so the hands would be covering the back while it was in use. But yeah if I wanted to see the highest results that would be a good idea.
PBK, I wanna get a S24 Ultra from my S22 Ultra, I'd like to see if we could try and drop temps as low as possible. The 2 Degrees is impressive, and the stability increased, while most likely not huge I'd like to see if battery life improved. While most modern laptops seem to go long enough for most, the cooler running SOC, RAM, Storage, alongside a Debloation tool may add enough battery saving alongside the 3nm Single Core / Efficiency to make the upgrade worthwhile. Think we could do something in the future?
Cooler running will usually use more power since the throttling will now be less. Unless the battery is affected by the temps so much it drains faster.
It would require extensive modification because the liquid metal needs a housing or enclosure so it stays just over the processor and does not leak or get out anywhere else. If it does, it would short the board and render it useless.
Your idea was great, unfortunately most people dont think this is practicle, i recommend to use peltier cooler, not only it is more practicle, but cheaper and more capable to handle the heat when on gaming.
Thanks, yeah definitely not something everyone will be doing but just a project to see the possibility. I'm not too familiar with peltier coolers but its possible.
You just made it take longer to heat up! The only way to truly upgrade is to find a solution to expell the heat outside the phone for example a heatsink with direct outside air contact etc
hi man ,my score is 3000 and i debloat it and increase score and temperature too p.s this mod with thermal paste was done too but undee the stiker i didnt change
i think your ambient temp its very cool since your phone never get hot, but yea it helps to improve performance. i whould love to see this mod on my poco x6 pro wich gets over 80c making antutu bench, in my city reaching 42c but obviusly im doing test on my office with 25c room tem and this phone still gets over 75c :/ with scenario like this your mod would be really getting on test hhaha
That thing allready has one and with a fan you can prevent throttle. But with iphone xs max im need a fast fan because SOC is in empty space. No heatsink or paste just air. im gonna mod my xs max in future for pubg
Personally I'd first replace the stock battery, then take the phone apart some more and fabricate an aluminum backplate and attach a vapor chamber on it so it makes contact with the SOC. Then I'd change the operating system with a custom kernel with overclocking functionality. If you pair all of this cooling and power and fresh battery and a more optimized OS with an external phone cooler, that cools the aluminum backplate down, you can possibly run your device with at least 60% more clock speed if not double (stability may take a hit after 75% increase) I did these steps with my Razer phone 2 from 2018. Pixel experience aura build, took out the LED RGB and replaced the battery, put an aluminum backplate on and attached a secondary vapor chamber on it.. the phone now runs at 3ghz all the time with no issues and 3.2ghz if I really need the horse power and if I need extra cooling, the modifications I have made already makes it extra efficient.
@@alitef5191 no clue if they are. Some phones glue them to the frame, in which case it is safely removable, you just have to use extreme caution. A heat gun, acetone or high grade alcohol can undo the adhesive. Or a combination thereof. Personally I'd check for all. Heat is unlikely to work alone since it is purpose built to hold under heat.. try acetone or high grade alcohol.. if you have access to everclear, try that. If it's 190 proof, it should do fine for this purpose if the adhesive is soluble with alcohol. (190 proof is 95% alcohol by volume)
@@claritoresdiano1021 since I am currently using that device and I have changed some mods that I have on it, no. Not until I switch to mainlining something else.
If you apply new original pre cut adhesive for the phone (usually they come pre installed with original battery door/back cover replacements), then it should retain the resistance.
I & my friend always did this trick on our older phones by reapplying PC grade thermal paste & adding thermal copper plate if needed in certain phones.
Thanks PBK for publishing the review to public for awareness
Thank you and you're welcome :)
Where you add the thermal copper plate?
@@wise7260...thermal copper plate/ copper shim is placed at ram/ and cpu die its wont be touching evenly so you'll need a thermal paste to spread its contact area....
Die-paste-shim/plate-paste-cooler/frame...
could you tell me why he has used grapgite sheet, is it impotant to use it? i wanna try and make it so please tell
@@NiKhiLSaYi graphite has better thermal conductivity
Great modification idea, and video! 👏
Thank you! 👍 :)
First thing I did when I got my Zenfone 9 was tear it open and replace the paste with Arctic MX5. It actually improved the stability score by about 5%
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Thorough, well done sir. 👍
Thanks!
1:40 no way. You nailed it, it's such a common misconception 😅
👍 :)
Awesome video! A suggestion I have if possible is to test the water resistance or water proofing from phones. 👍
It’s pretty much unavoidable to lose some waterproofing when you open a phone.
They’re really not designed for this.
Thanks. I did it for a while with some durability videos before, but it didn't catch much traction from viewers.
@@PBKreviews too bad 🤷♂️, it is what it is lol. Cheers
👍 :)
Great idea adding another chamber! That would increase the time before the SoC overheats. May I suggest one thing, when running the synthetic test, be sure to run it 3 times in each iteration and take average values? This way you can insure that the score is accurate and there isn't anything influencing the results, like apps running in background or Android doing something.
Thanks! The test I ran was sped up 5000x because its a 20 min test that repeats the test 20 cycles and gives the best loop score as well as the worst loop score and displays the graph to see how it was averaging. So in essence I ran it more then 3 times :)
@@PBKreviews I see, thanks for responding.
If you dont wanna remove your phones cover just put a copper sheet at the back of your phone and the second layer put some thermal adhesive and then graphite sheet film
I have some phones i'd love to modify, myself...very satisfying. Great video idea. Love looking at the hardware in these devices.
Thanks!
Hardware modding. Thats very pleasant to see.
👍 :)
I had an old galaxy a7 2016 which got to freaking 92°c.I applied thermal paste on the processor and ram which made them dissipate heat to the aluminum frame.The temperatures dropped drastically from 92°c to only 70°c.The phone reached 70°c in the worst case scenario.After doing this only the side metal rail got a bit hot because the processor was now dissipating heat to something.The old thermal solution was a joke.It was a super small and a very thin thermal pad which dissipated the heat from the processor to a thin copper film which would conduct the heat back towards the motherboard.I also applied thermal paste to the backside of the processor.
Ur genius keep it
Thank you! :)
How to get that vapor chamber sir?
I think mine froze it's 4° out now my phone is running hot lol
Can you charge wirelessly while the vapour chamber installed?
what about trying dual vapor with great amount of graphite
What temperatures are at the CPU?
Were can i get these items to buy especially the vaper chamber
Whats the graphite plate for
what is name of that thermal paste you used?
What are the names of the materials you have used?
So, replacing the paste and adding a shim made things worse for some reason
Yep. Experiment is a trial and error.
We don't know it would be better or worst than before.
Question, better use thermal paste or thermalpad?
I feel that thermal pads last longer but thermal paste transfers heat better
can you try it on samsung s23 regular??
We need more videos like this.🔥thank❤
What do you think about the ROG 8? Should i still modify the components or not? It has the graphite all of over board
I think the ROG phones and redmagic ones are already pretty optimized, so any modifications would not really yield any significant improvements.
Interesting how temps didn't change much with thermal paste change... means samsung used really high quality thermal paste
Bro where u buy this chamber and What Is That Sticker Is?
Give me thermal paste link i will buy
Hey can you tell me the materials used,im planning to do that on my phone and didnt understand some materials used on the video,Also can you tell me the dimensions of the copper plate you used?
Liked the idea! However I'm curious if sticking a graphene film behind my phone cover would help dissipate heat or would it trap it even more?
I mean it already has graphite film over the charging pad which transfers heat out the back but I don't think anymore would hurt.
@@PBKreviews Thanks for replying. Although my phone is a poco x4 gt with a plastic back, it wouldn't trap the heat at all? Also is it ideal if I add a copper tape/foil before adding the graphene film?
Btw, how come adding another vapor chamber didn't work at all? I expected the temperature to be around 38°c or even less with that added
@@donovan5459 Check the stability, went from 54% to near 60%. For a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is pretty neat.
Hi, I liked your idea. I have an S22 plus, do you think this can be improved as well
Okay
Conclusions;
1. The first step copper plat is useless
2. Second step copper heatpipe seems fine
My S22 Ultra is reaching up to 70°C while recording a video. Should I be worried?
No its normal !
smartphones are tough today
Are you referring to internal temp or external housing temp? Usually when 4K recording, the phone uses a lot of processing as well as battery power so would heat up quite a bit.
@@PBKreviews Internal CPU temperature from CPUZ
@@pixels_per_inch internal shouldn't matter to you. Measure the external temperature, if possible or if it really let's so hot that it's not holdable anymore, then it's valid to be concerned
Listen at 1:35 in the video
Yeah should be ok, if it was external temp then I would be worried.
Interesting!
I want to now..
From What smartphone vapor chamber's you use?
i have an question,
does vapor chamber do well with any model of phone?
yes it will work but the problem will be the space
just done on my 2 years old exynos s22 ultra ,phone started to restart and did the black screen of death thing ,still not much about around. thermal paste was like dry biscuit and graphite foil was dried onto the shield completely around. no bsod since upgrade ,thanks
you're welcome :)
could you tell me why he has used grapgite sheet, is it impotant to use it? i wanna try and make it so please tell
@@NiKhiLSaYi don't know really because copper has better heat transfer. tried with graphite and had to take apart again wasn't great,removed and used a similar sized copper ,sanded down on glass both side then both side thermal paste ,video is good only Hydronaut works and now good ,3dmark always in top 1%. maybe the best would be copper foil on the top to close the gaps ,there is copper foil in garden shops
@@8peterp thanks for your reply
The fact is when you cut the vapor chamber all the cooling magic is gone. A small copper piece will do better than that piece of vc
It still works, but yeah a solid copper piece would be better but I didn't have one on hand to use to just used the vc.
Can we install in note 20 ultra becouse it heat a lot
I mean it works a lil. But Pelletier coller just better at this and non invasive. It needs a powerbunk or an outlet though.
A peltier cooler is indeed the best solution, gives me 99% stability in a 20x loop test
That's great idea broo...🎉
What is the difference between copre film and copre?????
Can we put in note 20 ultra this vapor chamber
Most of the phone have vapor cooler under the screen so the best position you have phone cooler is on screen?
and how tf u use the screen if u cover them?
@@suhendro_8627 desktop mode
Can you add vapor chamber on the s21 ultra
I'm wondering if placing a peltier module cooler on a Nintendo switch will have the same effect. I'm seeing a lot of magnetic phone coolers equipped with peltier modules or TECs.
I'm not too familiar with peltier module cooling, but I would think something like that doesn't really transfer heat away from the component rather than just providing a somewhat cooler surface against the component. Again not too sure since I'm not familiar with those. The phone coolers have a fan usually which also draws or displaces the surface heat so with that in combo with a peltier module cooler I would see some cooling.
Yes! Those work extremely well. Only tested on s22 ultra when playing a few emulators. It was fridge time every 7 minutes of play. Until I tried this peltier cooling pad. Though I have a really good good cool an Alaskan cucumber! Play no frame drops for hours at time mine is plugged in power supply I've seen the built in battery option as well.
@@PBKreviewsI have a s21 and a v1 switch cracked. I replaced the thermal paste, thermal putty for the v1 switch and bought the black shark fun cooler 4.
The switch got like 15-20° cooler.
The phone with the cooler from 42° to 30° (if I'm gaming heavy).
If I just watch a video and use the cooler, it goes down to like 17°
The cooler itself gets to 0° and absolutely cools the phone down.
You can feel the phone is very cold to the touch when using it.
Good job 👍 Up the Tab S8 😉
Thanks. 👍
Fantastic video!! Do you have any suggestions on where to source a vapor chamber replacement part, wanna do this for my old phone but can't find anything on aliexpress
You would probably need to fine a broken screen assembly with frame which comes with the vapor chamber attached to it or something like that. Usually they aren't sold as a replacement part individually.
Please teardown iQOO 3 (Less known phone from 2020)... I'm currently using this phone... I'm curious to see insides of my phone...
Hi, I don't get many viewers for the IQOO phones so it's not worth me spending the money on purchasing it.
Doing the test with the phone lying on a flat surface is not ideal, because the heat dissiipation via the back surface is hampered. If I may I would suggest that you do the test with the phone in vertical position, so that the back can emig the heat to the ambient air. Keeping a note of the ambient temperature would also be valuable for comparison.
True, I was just considering in reality the phone would be in someones hands so the hands would be covering the back while it was in use. But yeah if I wanted to see the highest results that would be a good idea.
@@PBKreviews human hands actuall can cool electronics because of blood flow so the phone would be cooler
Correct. That means a 98 degree water bath/"coolant"/thermal barrier.
Well done. Could you put a vapor chamber into the MacBook air m2? and compare the performance?
If I can find one, I will look into doing it.
What is that silver paper ?!
Graphite
Nice.
Thanks!
Que medidas fue el pequeño cuadrado de cobre
A suggestion how about..u put 15 layer Griphite sheet on Flagship phone
How i do it in samsung galaxy a33 5g?
PBK, I wanna get a S24 Ultra from my S22 Ultra, I'd like to see if we could try and drop temps as low as possible.
The 2 Degrees is impressive, and the stability increased, while most likely not huge I'd like to see if battery life improved.
While most modern laptops seem to go long enough for most, the cooler running SOC, RAM, Storage, alongside a Debloation tool
may add enough battery saving alongside the 3nm Single Core / Efficiency to make the upgrade worthwhile.
Think we could do something in the future?
Cooler running will usually use more power since the throttling will now be less. Unless the battery is affected by the temps so much it drains faster.
@@bulletpunch9317 that'd factually false across the board. Completely & Utterly wrong.
@@nerdynumen cpus lower clocks when they get too hot. Thermal throttling look it up.
90% it’s battery. We fix slow down all the time.
Hey also, what if you make a video about liquid metal thermal paste?
It would require extensive modification because the liquid metal needs a housing or enclosure so it stays just over the processor and does not leak or get out anywhere else. If it does, it would short the board and render it useless.
What about iPhone? Is it possible?
Your idea was great, unfortunately most people dont think this is practicle, i recommend to use peltier cooler, not only it is more practicle, but cheaper and more capable to handle the heat when on gaming.
Thanks, yeah definitely not something everyone will be doing but just a project to see the possibility. I'm not too familiar with peltier coolers but its possible.
Good job
Thanks!
You just made it take longer to heat up!
The only way to truly upgrade is to find a solution to expell the heat outside the phone for example a heatsink with direct outside air contact etc
hi man ,my score is 3000 and i debloat it and increase score and temperature too
p.s this mod with thermal paste was done too but undee the stiker i didnt change
Please make video on Samsung galaxy A52s 5G...tera down or heating issue ..thanks
i think your ambient temp its very cool since your phone never get hot, but yea it helps to improve performance. i whould love to see this mod on my poco x6 pro wich gets over 80c making antutu bench, in my city reaching 42c but obviusly im doing test on my office with 25c room tem and this phone still gets over 75c :/ with scenario like this your mod would be really getting on test hhaha
lol ya
That thing allready has one and with a fan you can prevent throttle. But with iphone xs max im need a fast fan because SOC is in empty space. No heatsink or paste just air. im gonna mod my xs max in future for pubg
thankyou
👍 you're welcome
Personally I'd first replace the stock battery, then take the phone apart some more and fabricate an aluminum backplate and attach a vapor chamber on it so it makes contact with the SOC.
Then I'd change the operating system with a custom kernel with overclocking functionality.
If you pair all of this cooling and power and fresh battery and a more optimized OS with an external phone cooler, that cools the aluminum backplate down, you can possibly run your device with at least 60% more clock speed if not double (stability may take a hit after 75% increase)
I did these steps with my Razer phone 2 from 2018. Pixel experience aura build, took out the LED RGB and replaced the battery, put an aluminum backplate on and attached a secondary vapor chamber on it.. the phone now runs at 3ghz all the time with no issues and 3.2ghz if I really need the horse power and if I need extra cooling, the modifications I have made already makes it extra efficient.
Are Xiaomi vapor chambers safely removable? To take it from a frame part of old Poco phones? without any hole or cut
@@alitef5191 no clue if they are. Some phones glue them to the frame, in which case it is safely removable, you just have to use extreme caution.
A heat gun, acetone or high grade alcohol can undo the adhesive. Or a combination thereof. Personally I'd check for all. Heat is unlikely to work alone since it is purpose built to hold under heat.. try acetone or high grade alcohol.. if you have access to everclear, try that. If it's 190 proof, it should do fine for this purpose if the adhesive is soluble with alcohol. (190 proof is 95% alcohol by volume)
@@159tonyCould you upload the process on your youtube channel?
Or Facebook?
*Sorry i'm asking too much.
@@claritoresdiano1021 since I am currently using that device and I have changed some mods that I have on it, no. Not until I switch to mainlining something else.
@@159tony what you think about Artic Shark Graphene Copper heatsink placed at back cover?
Stability is improvement.
I would like to try this on my poco F3.. since that I've noticed the F4 has better cooling by enlarging its colling area
👍
@@PBKreviewsare the Xiaomi Poco s Vapor chambers removable from frame? Only heat to remove stick?
Do it for redmi note 8 pro plz
Very nice
👍
Try this wit the new poco f6
Just disable that Trash #GOS then you'll see liquid cooled performance for a minutes....
After your customisation that minutes will increase
Best Solution is, Drop Your phone in Water 🌚
lol :)
I do that too And wondering would the glass crack from getting hot and suddenly cold ?
@@brandonnithianandan 😂😂😂👍
Liquid Nitrogen 👻
I recommend Peltier coolers
Its easy to DIY, just a peltier module and a very very old gpu heatsink
Or just don't put 15W SOCs inside phones. Absolutely hate this trend
Op content 🔥
👍 :)
Very informative video. Kudos .This is what we need and not some jerryrigs telling jokes and puns all the time.
👍 thanks
But is it still waterproof?
I have no idea what people do with these S22 Ultras, I had never any heat issue (Exynos) and it's performing like a beast.
If you apply new original pre cut adhesive for the phone (usually they come pre installed with original battery door/back cover replacements), then it should retain the resistance.
@@PBKreviews Thank you, didn't know that :)
You're welcome :)
That black pad when you remove cover. Remove it. It traps heat to not hurt your hand. May also be for to hide wireless charger
Nice
Thanks
If you need vapor chamber, just contact me :D
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Shittysung made the 8 gen 1 should have been made by tsmc
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷🇮🇷
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I am already do this with my phone so nothing special 🙄
:)
If the phone is running slow and sluggish, an easy solution would be to get an iPhone instead.
No, Just Optimized your current Android phone that you have.
Another thing, PBKreviews. What does PBK stand for?
PBK is just an abbreviation for an old username I had a long long time ago :)