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That's a DIY Perks level build. Awesome job
Absolutely. This guy deserves more sub and view!!❤
This man deserves more
Now that is a compliment!
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0:00 frrrr
To me I think if you made the sled out of aluminum and merge it with the heatsink you can reduce the weight, improve durability, and improve heat transfer. This change would go really well if you manage to overclock it.
you can't overclock snapdragon SoCs after the Snapdragon 865 and some early 870s
@@niveZz- what phone is it note 10?
@@detecta idk what you mean but in the video he used a samsung galaxy 21 fe (snapdragon 888)
@@niveZz- i thought it was a note 10
@@niveZz- you're right. But just a small note. Most android manufacturers underclocked the SoC. So having the chipset to turbo for 70% of the time would be an awesome improvement.
you can use universal android debloater to remove all google and meta services, and boost battery life for 20-40% (this does not need rooted phone, just enable usb debuging and thats it)
Good call!
@@ZacBuilds yeah, I used it on my old old android phone and it made my battery last even longer, I also removed stock samsung launcher using that tool and used nova7 as a launcher
Also love those diy vids and I love do smth same, but I dont have amazon, ebay, aliexperss and money ;(
Yeah, i did it on my mom's 2GB ram android 9.0 phone. It was pretty good, and the phone was so smooth.
Hey
Thanks for the advice!
the sudden appearance of DIY Perks at 5:36 really burst the laughs off of me😂
The SoC is on the other side of the motherboard. It touches the frame, screen and probably a heatsink to exhaust heat. You've added thermal mass but not in the most optimal place.
It will be too difficult to fit that big heat sink in front. I think back will also be fine since the soc also shares heat dissipation with the back part. It might not be as efficient but it will be better than it was imo
@@bhoot1702 Yeah he just mentioned that he thought it was the CPU but it is on the other side. Adding thermal mass is adding thermal mass, there'll be a net positive to the sink part of heatsink, but it could be loads better if there was more direct contact.
Where do you expect him to put it? Directly on the screen? 😂
@@GUMTOON Obviously not. Using copper tape or a shim or something of the like could result in a way to pipe heat from the front side to an area where it can be exhausted from, perhaps by replacing the existing thermal solution.
@@TurboBass that's too complicated for a minimal improvement, you have to take off the OLED which is risky.
The handheld looks great! I think the wood does add in a nice bit of design to it. Although I guess you could always just glue on a wood veneer to get the same look.
I did think about doing that at one point. Building the frame out of plastic and then just inserting some wood accents. But in the end I just went all wood because well... I cant help myself :)
@@ZacBuilds you should do diy project with android battery in iPhone or vise versa
@@NicVandEmZpretty sure apple would reject it
@@ZacBuilds can i buy
@@ZacBuildsNEXT DIY with SAMSUNG with Added chilling plated cooling fans and overclock🎉
I love your channel bro. As a man that is constantly tinkering i really appreciate how clean you keep the projects as well as the work area
Thanks man! I think a lot of that comes down to my personality and the way my brain works haha. If I have a messy work area I can't concentrate or even get started a lot of the time. So I like to keep things tidy for my own sanity 😂
@Zac Builds my brain is on rapid fire all the way through a project and when i get done i look around at tools and material scraps laying every where and think..." i sure could get more done if I didnt have spend a half day cleaning my shop each project" haha
7:36 I experienced this first hand few weeks ago. I was doing some messing with my old torch battery, I thought it was such a small and old battery that nothing would happen, but all of a sudden it caught fire. Thank gosh it evaporated right away and I didn't die.
Glad to hear it was a minor incident!
the DIY Perks easter egg makes my day as he's my favourite diy craftsman on youtube.
Geekerwan laughing in the corner
Amazing 😂😂😂😂
Flagship mah A55!
I remember that 😅@@ChinchillaBONK
Lmao😂
Bro left cameras, do they even run games 😂😂
that phone has a desktop mode when connected through hdmi, you missed an opportunity to make it dockable. Maybe in the next revision
something about gluing a kishi to a phone feels wrong but dam, the end result speaks for itself, having it feeling like one solid unit at the end is gold, and yeah when you went from 3D printed prototypes to wood it made me tilt my head but it does look really nice. top-notch video!
A little tip for anybody wanting to double up a battery in a project or something. As long as you put hot to hot and negative to negative when you're only wanting to increase the amount of battery life you want. You should be fine. Just make sure that you keep everything well isolated and do your best to try not to bridge any connections to ground
Have you come across any BMS board that refuse to work with multiple cells?
@@chench1lla no not really. But, I've never really increased the number of cells by what some could consider an unreasonable amount. I have a electronic air duster that lasts like 3 minutes at full blast which isn't enough time to really do anything. I opened it up and it had three batteries in series. So I took three batteries and combined them in series in the same way that they were in the device. I hooked those two up in parallel and connected them to the BMS. It doesn't last twice as long but it does last a good bit longer. You just need to make sure that if you're trying to increase capacity. You put them in parallel. Putting them in series increases the amount of voltage they can produce.
It's simple af ..
Assume 4v 150mah battery example
4v 150 + 4v 150 (in series) = 8v 150mah
4v 150 + 4v 150 (in parallel) = 4v 300mah.
@@SumitMishra-qm4ql I mean when you think about it it is but you didn't really describe it simply. Series increases voltage parallel increases how long they last. That simple.
@@Dtr146 i told the same brother!! (Mah means milliampere-hour)
Cool build but if we speak about value wise and performance Geekerwan's $150 DIY build is criminally underrated
this! Geekerwan's build is cool, but Zac's is more elegant
Until you need to spend hundreds of dollars on tools, schooling required for said tools, and a garage/workshop
For me, Geekerwan's build is definitely underrated and much more practical for an average joe. Not many can pull off 3D printing a custom chassis since it is very hard AF, but it depends on your end goal. Gotta still give it to Zac because his build is sick.
@YOUR_NARRATOR975 unless you already have a interest in electronics byond this diy project so you dont need to buy tools.
Well 150$ didn't include how much he paid his staffs
Hey there.
The first issue I wanted to note is the use of the copper in the heatsink replacement. Without a heat pipe, You're looking at the quick thermal saturation of any interface or its materials without a meaningful transfer of energy to the actual heatsink added to the copper. This is because based on Thermal Conductivity alone Copper does a good job of absorbing heat, but it doesn't do a great job of transferring it. Copper sits around 400W/Mk of thermal conductivity, while a heat pipe can be in excess of 5000-100,000W/Mk.
This means that the heatsink would be slow to heat and hard to cool effectively. If you were to place a heat pipe across the length of the heatsink, it would work much better, to the point where you would near instantly see a difference in temperature from the SOC to the end of your heatsink.
Secondly, The issue with the Double battery is apparent almost instantly- due to the fact that you double capacity, you double charging times quite readily, and without the BMS to consider the second battery's health, It will assume that one battery provides the charge for both. Since the BMS only controls voltage and wear leveling, and doesn't have a way to monitor each cell individually, you can very quickly end up with a situation where you see your battery jumping around levels depending on which battery's voltage reads the highest- since they are separate cells, there is the very real possibility of the internal resistance of one cell not matching the other, causing step voltage matching. This means that the batteries face the very real possibility of mis-matched wearing and eventually diminished capacity and failure of one or more of the batteries. Usually this is corrected in BMS monitoring of multi-celled devices through what amounts to a circuit that separates the cells from one another, but ties the output together allowing them to charge individually.
The K5 Pro works but currently you have an issue with the setup of the heatsink- right now it goes (assuming the Mfrs used a thermal pad) SOC>Thermal pad>Graphite pad>Aluminum>K5 Pro>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>Copper>Solder>M.2 Heatsink. All those layers cause a loss in heat transfer, reducing the effective area of the copper and essentially pocketing areas of the copper that didn't fully get brazed (if you ever shear the heatsink apart, consider looking at the shims and you'll see pockets where the solder didn't reach fully, it's simply because of the change of Flux to a gaseous state causing solder to have voids." Ideally, the removal of the aluminum and thermal pads would mitigate this entirely, if in addition you swapped to a heat-pipe design. In this case you'd see SOC>TIM/K5>Copper>Solder>Heat pipe>Solder>Heatsink. Also, you *technically* don't even need the first layer of copper attached to the heat pipe, and could attach it directly to the SOC by flattening it on one side, making sure not to crush the actual pipe. This would also decrease the weight of the build.
A final consideration is the fact that there is an opportunity here to fab the entire outside case out of a block of copper, that you would then attach to the heat-pipe through soldering, and get passive cooling without an open area for the M.2 heatsink. At their max, these SOCs use about 10-13W of heat, meaning it can be easily dissipated passively in this regard.
All in All it is a novel idea and i appreciate the video- just some thoughts on what I would consider. (I was someone who built their own laptop heatsinks in the 2016-2020 years, particularly for Clevos)
These are the discussions I live for. ❤
Man who's reading all that if it blows up call it a note 7
Wow bro thanks for the info !
he already showed that the cpu and gpu was cold it was at 40 celsius?
@@eylemuyavul3055 While that may be the case, something done right the first time will lost longer than something that isn't done right. If you were to follow my instructions, you could reuse the heatsink assembly in the future for other projects if you decide.
This kinda content made me started to “hangout” in youtube 14 years ago. amazing work!! You just got yourself a +1 subs
You should recalibrate the battery because the phone can't really recognize that it has a bigger battery and it will have some charging problems, you can just set the capacity manually if the phone is rooted but since you can't root it, it's worth trying to recalibrate it...just for the sake of it 🙂
You don't need to do that. The phone doesn't know how many Ah are in the battery. It can only use the voltage as a reference. Since the batteries are in parallel the voltage will be the same and will just drop slower (or charge slower for that matter)
@chizisj true, but that's more of a reference for the phone, as it's going to use the more important voltage as it's metric to determine how much is left especially given that the mAh/Ah of a battery will change/decrease over time
I love DIY perks voice
@@chizisjTo hardcode a certain capacity value would quickly turn disastrous as overcharging a degraded battery could make it explode. Voltage is the important metric. Of course current can and often is measured. But it doesn't impact the charging procedure.
I added a larger battery to an old phone and it shows the battery level dropping over time even though the voltage is via a regulator and never changes. Then at the end of the normal capacity, it throws a warning, which you can ignore and keep going, but it gets tedious. So yes! Android knows the original capacity and reacts accordingly
Two little advice that I think I can provide:
I personally don't think that using copper as a heat conductor from the Soc to the fins is not very effective, even though copper is some of the most thermally conductive metal on earth. However, there is this thing called heat pipe, which is more effective than copper at conducting heat, especially at longer distances. Samsung used vapor chambers (basically a flattened out heat pipe) to cool some of their phones' Soc. Maybe you can use a heat pipe or two to get the heat of the Soc into the fins faster.
I think the Soc of modern phones typically face towards the screen, so in this project you are likely to be cooling the back of the Soc through a metal shield, and there is a possibility that there is an air gap under this shield. It might not be too big of a concern, but for an "ultimate DIY gaming phone", it would be interesting to see whether desoldering that shield, adding a blob of thermal paste, and soldering the shield back on will help with heat dissipation.
Other than that, great work, and thanks to you I now know an easy way to get cheap phones😆
Heat pipe is just copper in different shape.
@@bulletpunch9317 Actually, it is not.
Heat pipes and vapor chambers both use the heat of evaporation and condensation to move liquid around inside the copper enclosure, allowing for a much higher thermal conductivity than regular solid copper.
@@bfbunny sure, i know its not solid, i thought you had no idea whay heatpipes were made of.
Great points. I thought he would desolder the shield. I always suspected that the soc will face the screen, and that somehow a better option would include both. If that's not possible, a heatsink to the back would work.
A perfect option would add a small quiet fan, which would open the path for overclocking it a bit. I know Samsung phones have the game center power optimization which I assume overclock the phone to some extent. Otherwise Geekerwan had some crazy creations of their own. Seemed promising.
I have a spare pocoF1 lying around. I might do something similar with it.
13:57
Just a tip for playing with the sealant (and anything you can fit into a caulk gun tbh): you can buy, or in your case print, extra tips to fit most tubes, and you can cut them to specific angles.
In the case of your sled, you can cut both sides to make a 45° angle, and with even pressue it will perfectly smudge the silicone so that you dont have to smear it with your fingers!
Xiaomi / poco device more cheap, capable, also more customizations..
Simcard / SDCard slot should be accessible most of the time.
Man I wish I had the skills/tools to build this, this is amazing. Solid work bro it turned out awesome 🤙🏽
All it takes is the drive to start. Think of a project you want to try, research what you can then dive in(carefully)
If you have a basic understanding then you should be able to do it. It mat take you a little while but you can do it. I have enough understanding that I think I can do this. The only thing that may make thiw hard is the tedious stuff which is basically the whole thing. If you have experience soldering electronics then you can do it.
anyone can learn to do anything theyre interested in, get on it my dude
This was great and I love your idea of digital sales to offset the need for a sponsor! Keep up the good work sir
What do you mean by that? 🤔
@@burgessw.9064 huh
Man, the whole interesting part for me was seeing this get overclocked and how the battery and heat would work out in the end
how was the phone the part you thought less about?
Really great video, but this felt like a "it's the journey that matters, not the destination" type of vid
would love to see something like this being pushed to it's limits while still being usable and looking nice
tbf, to most people phones are made to be the same so they may not realize the stuff the company's do to try to make them hard to repair. yes a bit of googling whoulda help avoid this problem in the first place but not everyone gonna do that cuz to some a phone is just a phone regardless of the make and model
Its a Snapdragon on Samsung phone, no overclocking =/
yeah that sucks if its exynos youre good but if its snapdragon youre screwed@@canguro1638
This's one of those rare channels where just one guy does amazing technical stuff, with very high production quality videos too. Only thing that breaks it slightly is out of his control - namely TH-cam ads bursting in at the exact wrong moments. In fact, i find it highly suspicious that there timing is always at the exact moment no one would want one. Googles usual shenanigans aside, this's deserving of all the subs and views he has, and a lot more.
When Zac is talking about adding double battery: My headphone screaming "Please charge. Battery low.". LOL what a fricking coincidence.
Everything's perfect. The wood looks amazing and is not a fire hazard. I like the idea of selling your knowledge. Good job as always.
Great job. You also can use Thermal Grizzly Kryo sheets for thermal transfer if you don't have any K5 or prefer a less messy solution.
There was someone who used a Xiaomi mi9 with a similar setup
Just that he actually removed the camera module to install a fan,and was able to root the phone
And the oc Game Performance was so great it was on par with the sd888
Even better than 8 gen 1 (Samsung fabrication)
bro the stuff ive seen from you so far are on another level, i wish i had the patience to learn it myself, someday ill surely do some of these and you'll be a gold mine for me
2:28 The phone running away while you are explaining to it how you are going to replace it’s internal organs :)
When you doubled the battery your amps increased so you have to reprogram the phone to the new battery capacity
The phone uses the same amperage, each battery drains half as fast. Percentage is based on voltage, as the battery gets more drained its voltage drops. It should all still work fine
Amps are pulled, not pushed. If the phone was drawing a certain current at a certain voltage then putting batteries in parallel wouldn't change the voltage and have no effect on the current drawn.
The charging of the batteries could be an issue though ...
the phone won't know the difference, it bases the battery percentage based on the battery voltage.
Here consoles are made so modern games gett better experience and not al mobiles run equally 😊
most modern phones track battery wear over time and this is done through a coulomb counter (literally measures charge) so yes, you need to change some kernel files so the charge controller is aware of the increase in size
If you ever decide to make a V2, a kickstand would be overkill, but it'd be cool to see done. Regardless, this turned out great. Awesome video, definitely one of my favorite channels to watch!
I was very skeptical about the use of wood, but from the looks of the final product, it turned out to be super cool.
The second he said ad I said skip....then rewind cuz it was back to the video already which confused tf out of me.....well played 🤣
Specifically for this unit you might want to make a Custom ROM to make gaming and emulations and stuff way neater and also to force the phone to be landscape oriented permanently. For the gamepad flanking both sides, it'll be weird if you have to go portrait mode i think hahaha
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As he mentions, he can't because it is unrootable
he should have been used a unlockable bootloader samsung phone so that he could but he cant due to its being a locked version@@shahtayyib
Amazing build, did you consider using a heat pipe to bridge the contact pad on the SOC with the heatsink instead of solid copper? They're pretty cheap and can be braised as well if you're careful with the heat.
This is awesome work. Almost the video I'm looking for. I hope to see you fully convert a smartphone into a console. Like a full shell with the controls and phone in one piece. But yet again, i believe this is a first that ive seen a youtuber made something like this
Awesome Zac! Thanks for sharing! I hope you’re doing well! 😎👊
Thank you! My pleasure this was a ton of fun to make. Hope you're doing well too!
Soldering the battery, you are truly a madlad with balls of steel😂
I've done multiple times, they made it overrated.
The phone trying to run away from you at 2:36 🤣 Like, noooo not a second battery!
@ZacBuilds have you considered that "blacklisted" very well could be due to being stolen
Need more videos like this. I love tinkering with phones and pushing them to their absolute limit.
This is fantastic work and craftsmanship, a big well done to that man!!. I would love a piece of your work!!.
First off, algorithm is great. I was watching DIY Perks and they suggested you. Second, I want that so bad.
You have just solved two of the major problems of mobile gaming with DIY...
Heating issues and Battery life...🔥🔥🔥
You do some top notch builds. Keep it up
Your creativity is on par with your execution. Both are amazing! Great vid, keep up this interesting content ♥
Such a cool build. Well done.
A revision build for this would be to disassemble the Kishi and the phone, and 3d print a unibody design with maybe more ergonomic grips
As a Samsung certified repair technician that battery puncture scared the life out of me, that's why we use plastic (HDPE or PC) tools when removing the batteries manually.
I'm glad you are okay and that you had that battery drained properly, especially with where you punctured it that area is a spot where two layers overlap so even with it fully drained it could've sparked when bridging the two sections of the battery and caused a fire.
I would have loved to see you do this with Asus Rog phone 6-7 ultimate.
Although it's expensive af.
So maybe kinda defeats the purpose. But would be insane to see if they can actually emulate botw at 60fps because they are seriously powerful for being a phone.
Great build! Hopefully you don't anger Nintendo with this one 😂
Thanks! and hopefully they see the fact that I've bought basically every system and first party game they've ever made and leave me alone. But that's probably just wishful thinking haha
@@ZacBuilds lol same. I've been collecting for ~35 years now. Still have all my original consoles and games from when I was a kid. I would love to put some Nintendo content on my channel but they have a bad habit of confusing friend with foe.
Ever since you teased it I was pumped up. And you didn't disappoint! Keep it up 👍🏿
Hell ya man, glad you liked it!
Mentioning Canadian dollars has earned yourself a sub. Gotta support Canadian content
i love that the screen is so smooth, it starts sliding away on the table
Amazing vid! Thankyou for going beyond what other youtubers have done countless times before. And giving ideas on how to use black listed phones.
Feel like this would be a good project for wood veneer on the outside for both stability and looks.
I love your work. Your videos are consistently informative and entertaining. You deserve a million subscribers for these builds.
Wow, thank you!
I bought a, powerbank and a cooling fan...
Any phone cooler fan will not make a measurable difference in temperature without making a lot of noise, as Zac did adding thermal mass, even with little to no active cooling it's better for low power usage, adding an m.2 cooler over the phone chasis would lead to similar results without voiding warranty.
Lol 😂🤣😂
@samuelortizs
is it really that loud? Maybe it depends on the brand because
Im using a blackshark funcooler on my iphone, and the noise wasnt noticeable. Heck I wont even hear the fan when playing games with just half of the volume.
This is one of the few videos that I watched the whole time very carefully and sincerity.
i remember i too soldered two batteries together but i did whole lot of wrong things like cutting both positive and negative with scissors creating a short or soldering the batteries with two bms :p
absolutely amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥 i really like your work 👍
Anyone else cringing at the thermal paste application?
Came to the comments looking for it.
How will u charge the phone😂
😂😂😂
Kishi has a charge port genius
this dude made a custom handheld, thats sick!
Add a Heat sink extension(copper sheet) to the battery too !! it will Help the Battery heating when One charges their phone while Using it
you can root it. i can help if you want to
He's a content creator and the rooting process is not rocket science.
Why would he need your help ?!? 😂
He actually said in the video that he wasn't able to root the phone as it's locked.
update try warzone mobile now lol
Steamdeck 2.0 sort of
I totally agree with your post mortem review. It would also be nice if you make a transparent shell for the controller
It's not brazing if you're using solder, although it has a similar technical description. Brazing requires temperatures above 450°C.
Create the outer shape of the phone and make a hole for a fan in the back And combine two batteries, as Zed did, for processor speed, screen speed, graphics processor speed, and RAM speed, and make a small heat sink that matches a fan. Place the fan in the middle of a phone and wrench the heatsink from dependent to fan, even if you put 2
In case you wanted the absolute best performance in thermal transfer, there are a handful of companies that will just sell you pre-bent, pre-flattened heat pipes of various dimensions. The only challenge is actually attaching other bits to the heat pipes. You can solder to them, but you need to use a relatively low temperature solder and you need to use a fair amount of heat because the heat pipe will be sinking that heat rapidly. But you can't use too much heat or the liquid inside will boil and it'll pop.
add a freezer at the back. it work but it would smoke up every 34.524 seconds
"So what is the difference between brazing and soldering? The American Welding Society (AWS) defines brazing as a group of joining processes that produce coalescence of materials by heating them to the brazing temperature and by using a filler metal (solder) having a liquidus above 840°F (450°C) and below the solidus of the base metals.
Soldering has the same AWS definition as brazing, except that the filler metal used has a liquidus below 840°F (450°C) and below the solidus of the base metals. Soldering can be considered the low-temperature cousin to brazing."
7:23 "This will be fun" famous last words
Soo cool, and i like a lot the part when he think to how to recharge the phone 🤣🤣
5:36 bro turned into *diy perks* for a moment 💀
You turned a samsung phone to your own private console.AMAIZING🎉🎉🎉🎉
Ga Ga the diy perks adds that's extra diy touch to this classic
Actually one Chinese channel Geekwan did a double battery gaming phone with a fan. They used dimensity CPU phone because they are heck efficient.
It was tripple battery and it was snapdragon 855
I definitely knew you were from Toronto when I saw that re-useable grocery bag!
I hope you can make a phone that can reach rank 1 in the Antutu Benchmark score. Aki really hopes for it.... I will wait for you to make it happen
If rooting was possible. you need to modify the phone settings by rooting it somehow so that you could get a proper battery monitoring and percentage.
it’s no TH-camr flex *proceeds to pull out a laptop better than my desktop computer by 3x*
You should try working with aluminum heatsinks, I know this one didn't need it but you get get a bit more performance out of them
PLEASE be very careful when modding batteries!
You mention it was a dead battery so all you got was a little sizzling sound.
Heads Up, a discharged/drained/dead battery CAN be more dangerous than a charged battery as some left over elements have much more space to rapidly move about, instead of thermal runaway it can go with a bang.
He is the master at redesigning used tech.
As cool as this is, you can basically get this same result by getting two things: a portable battery bank (there's some that are even part of a phone case), and a phone fan. The heatsink can help of course, but without a fan it's kind of just...sitting there.
That said, you'd also need a telescopic controller that connects via bluetooth as your USB port would already be busy with both things.
The "ad-read" got me. Im like a cowboy in the west with skipping ads, you win this one. ;) By the way, pretty cool project. I dig it. :)
the fact Nintendo switch emulator for android exist now( well it needs REALLY high end phones tho) this is just the best ultimate DIY gaming phone
The fact that you have a FLIR on your phone tells me we should be Neighbors lol
DIY perks would be proud ❤
the self sponsorship thing is so cool, and i definitely want to support it. will be back when i have a project going on
8:44 hey zac this is just a tip for later but when handling battery’s you shouldn’t use metal for the risk of a shock or an easier puncture
Bro, in my country that's a lot of money.. amazing work... Kudos
You should do this with a Z Fold 5 I think those components will give you more power to play better games and of course the beautiful large screen on the inside
the ad caught me lacking I was already looking where the end is
Impressive. And the wood brings a special uniqueness to your build.
what is umbrella doing here 🤨
They want to make contract with him
😂😂
As a welder, heres a tip. If u want to remove heat marks without grinding... you can use lysol 'power' toilet bowl cleaner. Just make sure to rinse well.
It was probably easy to hook up another battery because some smart phones have spilt batterys already like the z flip