And that is a good example of how common sense and intuition are no good for solving physics problems. You expect traction to depend on area of contact, but in fact it doesn't, only normal force and coefficient of friction matter here.
Yes, locomotive trains may weigh a lot. But with smooth rails gives it a lot of benefit, and reduces the overall friction. Although the amount of traction grip is also reduced, but it is balanced by a lesser amount of rolling resistance. Thus the amount of energy needed to move from a standstill, isn't that a lot. Compared to an 18 wheeler (or more wheels) road train like those in Australia. Having rubber wheels that deforms due to the rough surface of the road, it has lots of rolling resistance. But at the same time gives it more traction and grip. Thus the needed amount of torque and energy to move from a standstill is a lot more. What many people don't realize is that trains are a lot more efficient.
It takes practice. Go easy on the throttle and reduce the throttle before you close the cylinder cocks. When you close the cylinder cocks the steam chest pressure rises quickly and can cause wheelslip.
Wheelslip is usually caused by the driver opening the regulator too quickly or, sometimes, by faulty sanding gear. The driver should allow for wet track. Although it's unlikely to damage the locomotive, it causes railburn or local hardening of the rails which may fracture later. Any driver worth his salt will wince if he sees it. A way of starting a particularly heavy train is to back up first to close up the slack in all the couplings and then pull away. That way, the first carriages help get the others rolling.
Yuk! Your 'backing up' technique is horrible. Not only does it put enormous stress on the couplings by suddenly jerking them into tension when the train moves forward, but it will also give the passengers an extremely uncomfortable, jerky start to their journey. It's better to employ a loco which is powerful enough to do the job properly and smoothly.
yeah, my first reaction is "whey, easy with the throttle" but my second reaction is "thats really cool though, its ridiculous seeing such large pieces of metal move that fast"
HOWEVER! If they were coaches…clean sensible things that came quietly… now THAT would be different. HMPH! 😤. -Gordon the Blue engine… being a pain in the bunker.
Considering the steam coming from the safety valves and the high pitched injector like sound - i think the fireman has the boiler perfectly primed ie the pressure at almost blow-off and is now keeping the pressure under control by simply feeding water. But high boiler pressure - the engine is now very hard preventing from slipping... but the driver handled it well.
I know LITERALLY nothing about trains. This was just randomly in my recommended... But that was pretty awesome. I guess my car guy instincts knew that wheelspin is always cool!!
I think the most violent wheelslip on TS2021 is the lima 2-8-0 from the Pennsy (even though you don't have any cars hooked up to ya) Edit: Holy crap 27 likes already 😲
did nobody notice the fact that thomas made a little cameo in the background at 0:21 and no I do not meant LMS Ivatt idling there I'm talking about a loco next to it
Apparently LNER apple green was the original colour carried by the first 30 of the 49 Peppercorn class A1s in 1948. BR came into existence on 1st January of that year.
@@raisagorbachov Yes, but it was built to represent a class of locomotives that had all been scrapped by 1966. It has carried various different heritage liveries over the years.
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It’s hard to believe that 6 tiny patches of metal driving wheels on metal rails can pull a couple of hundred tons from standing still..
Yes, and to an extend even uphill! Its crazy!
And that is a good example of how common sense and intuition are no good for solving physics problems. You expect traction to depend on area of contact, but in fact it doesn't, only normal force and coefficient of friction matter here.
@@aleksandersuur9475 well, I guess the video proves this practice...
That and torque...
A shit ton of torque.
Yes, locomotive trains may weigh a lot. But with smooth rails gives it a lot of benefit, and reduces the overall friction. Although the amount of traction grip is also reduced, but it is balanced by a lesser amount of rolling resistance. Thus the amount of energy needed to move from a standstill, isn't that a lot. Compared to an 18 wheeler (or more wheels) road train like those in Australia. Having rubber wheels that deforms due to the rough surface of the road, it has lots of rolling resistance. But at the same time gives it more traction and grip. Thus the needed amount of torque and energy to move from a standstill is a lot more. What many people don't realize is that trains are a lot more efficient.
For some reason, I love seeing steamers wheelslip!
BaltimoreAndOhioRR it’s like a burnout...burnouts are cool
Same
Me to
Same idk why but it’s you nice
To me it's painful
It’s like the wheels are excited and when it stops they all come back to their senses.
Even just after 23 hours this comment is highly underrated! 😂
Me everyday trying to make a smooth depart one train simulator
It takes practice. Go easy on the throttle and reduce the throttle before you close the cylinder cocks. When you close the cylinder cocks the steam chest pressure rises quickly and can cause wheelslip.
It happens to the best of us lol
LOL
Happens all the heckin time man and not just in train simulator
@Marilen Pascua Henry is NOT based on the Tornado at all!
Never seen a more beautiful rail engine. nostalgia has engulfed me.
Car drivers: let's see trains do a burnout
Tornado Engineer (or driver): hold my beer
In the US they say engineer
@@florjanbrudar692 so they’d say “Car engineers: let’s see trains do a burnout”? ;-)
In British, it's: Right, hold me bitter, mate. (Pronounced Roight, 'old me bi''a, mate)
@@emilyadams3228 haha, we don’t all speak in Dick Van Dyke cockney!
@@emmajacobs5575 I know. More of a Monty Python thing. Read it in the voice of Graham Chapman, it's how I wrote it. Sorry, I should've said that.
Wheelslip is usually caused by the driver opening the regulator too quickly or, sometimes, by faulty sanding gear. The driver should allow for wet track. Although it's unlikely to damage the locomotive, it causes railburn or local hardening of the rails which may fracture later. Any driver worth his salt will wince if he sees it. A way of starting a particularly heavy train is to back up first to close up the slack in all the couplings and then pull away. That way, the first carriages help get the others rolling.
That's how freight trains are getting to move, rarely ever seen that with passenger trains tho
Yuk! Your 'backing up' technique is horrible. Not only does it put enormous stress on the couplings by suddenly jerking them into tension when the train moves forward, but it will also give the passengers an extremely uncomfortable, jerky start to their journey. It's better to employ a loco which is powerful enough to do the job properly and smoothly.
yeah, my first reaction is "whey, easy with the throttle" but my second reaction is "thats really cool though, its ridiculous seeing such large pieces of metal move that fast"
Pfff...*snort* Clearly you haven't seen Blue Peter tear itself to bits.
funny how the bulleid class appeared as it started wheel slipping, coincidence?
You mean stopped?
I THINK NOT!!!!
I dont get it
Guy 1: “My car can do burnouts”😎
Guy 2: “My train does burnouts” 🤫
When Gordon has trouble climbing the hill.
Those noisy trucks hold an engine back so. 😠
HOWEVER! If they were coaches…clean sensible things that came quietly… now THAT would be different. HMPH! 😤. -Gordon the Blue engine… being a pain in the bunker.
All in for wheelslip!!
I just find it satisfying to watch them slip on the tracks like that.
Thanks for uploading this video!!! :)
That was some really nice wheelslip
Train: tries moving
Wheels: reeeeeeeeeee!!
That 08 other in the yard brings back memories! Gosh I miss it! Great vid mate!
👍👌👏 Never seen a more beautiful locomotive (I nearly love everything that is green).
0:22 doing a burnout in a 2700 horsepower steam loco, nice.
I don't know why but wheel slip on steam locos is just awesome
Average car burnout fan vs average train wheelslip enjoyer
Keep going! You're good! You're good! You're good! And stop!
I never thought of this Spongebob quote every time I watch a steam engine wheelslip. It fits perfectly!
Considering the steam coming from the safety valves and the high pitched injector like sound - i think the fireman has the boiler perfectly primed ie the pressure at almost blow-off and is now keeping the pressure under control by simply feeding water.
But high boiler pressure - the engine is now very hard preventing from slipping... but the driver handled it well.
That thing is CLEAN.
It's actually very new, only built in 2008.
The two best sounds, EVER, helecopter thump thump, and a stream engine.
Their building a new Steam engine
Alternative title: steam train does burn-out
Awesome! I don't know why but I love seeing wheelslip! It's just looks so cool!
I love the sound a wheelslip makes
I know LITERALLY nothing about trains. This was just randomly in my recommended... But that was pretty awesome. I guess my car guy instincts knew that wheelspin is always cool!!
It's called "wheelslip", it's clearly in the title
The elegance of steam trains always leave me in awe
Last time I had wheel slip, my father went 'aaaaah'. It was his car.
0:20 When the wheelslip starts
more at 0:23
When you put on to much lotion:
What a beautiful wheel-slip!! 🤩
What a magnificent loco this is.
“They don’t call me tornado for nothing!”
A normal day at Sodor
Y e s
Nice lift, well-controlled slip, not too much of the fireman’s careful work disappearing up the sodding chimney!
You just now that was 100% intentional. Love it
I think the most violent wheelslip on TS2021 is the lima 2-8-0 from the Pennsy (even though you don't have any cars hooked up to ya)
Edit: Holy crap 27 likes already 😲
Agreed, or the FEF-3 on advanced if you have no clue what your doing....which I dont
An edit after 13 likes?
Damn, that’s a stunning machine.
Honestly a beautiful wheelslip
The power of steam!
It’s beautiful
Greatest invention of Britishers
Great video
Really beautiful engine.
I would love to see one of these do a wheel slip its so cool
My one and only model train😊
Magnificent
For that brief second you can see her raw power being put out from those wheels. 😍
I remember when tornado was at the watercress line and I remember my driver wheel slip her when I was still a cleaner, I am now a fireman.
0:23 THAT WAS WHEELSPIN ON A 96 TON TRAIN
96 ton train? Nah the loco alone is over 100 tons the train will be around 300 tons with the 6 coaches that it's pulling
Dammit i was gonna make that reference.
*It was time for Thomas to leave, he had seen everything*
That wheel slip
This is what *REAL* muscle looks like
Freaking love it
When you stumble
Ho steady boy steady
Hey, it's Henry!
No it's not; Henry is an LMS Stanier Class 5 Black Five
Just try not to do a high speed departure, last time a pacific did that it ended up being stuck and had to run out of steam to stop
Nice reference!
When the wheels slip on one side, do they slip on the other side too?
Yes, because the wheels have a solid axle joining them across the frame of the locomotive.
Looks good.
How exciting.
southern railway locomotive in the backround lol
Jeremy Clarkson moment
*POWAAAHHH*
Slippy-slip-slip!
I’m kinda mad because they are scraping steam engines and replaced them with desiels
The scrapped steam engines in the 1960's. Who's scrapping then in 2021?!
You're about 70 years late to the party, my friend.
sorry but we are still in 1923 right ?
@@mattlander9119 some are preserved like 1225, 765, 4014, 611 etc.
wounderfull paint skin amazing whell slip
Bro that train just did a burn out
You don't read titles, do you? It's called a wheelslip and that's very different from a burnout
DEJA VU I HAVE BEEN IN THIS PLACE BEFORE!
Fun fact:Did you know that this engine is actually the most modern steam locomotive in the world?
did nobody notice the fact that thomas made a little cameo in the background at 0:21
and no I do not meant LMS Ivatt idling there
I'm talking about a loco next to it
The train just broke the laws of physicas! (I didn't spell it right-)
He did it just for the camera. ;w;
Let me guess drag racing's down the tracks
CLARKSON!!!?
That looks like an A3
GUYS LOOK ITS HENRY!!!
NO! Henry is an LMS Stanier Class 5
Sorry, I made this comment when I didn’t know much about British trains, but I now know Henry is a black five steam loco
"Hi im henry with an admin!" 💀
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Tornqdo is ky most fwvourite engine
❤❤❤❤
Well I guess no steam locomotives are built perfectly
@Nathaniel Aberdein Ik
when your ankle does the thing
Let fly that Scotsman!
Is anyone getting "Gordon the high speed engine" vibes?
¿Too much throttle in the beginning?.
I think I rode this :)
Is that Ropley at the Mid Hants?
It is.
Spot on vid there . Lovely old chuffer . That station looks familiar, is it Mid Hants out of curiosity ? Keep up the grand work
actually ropleys station
ok slight correction its ropley station
Wheelslip in case you didn’t see it 0:21
Nice video would love to see this engine with wheels spinning and catch on camera.
The rail tracks were slippery
0:22 Express coming through!
This is clearly not the Flying Scotsman
Me when i stepped on a banana on the floor
Rebecca, Berty, Arthur and Flying Schotman? WHERE IS IT?!
No flying scotsman
how cant you even see the big "tornado" nameplate on the smoke deflectors???
This loco needs a water tender.
Looks like Henry shouldn't have got wasted last night with Thomas & Friends!
how are people mistaking every engine with a green paint equals henry
@voidjavelin23 mistake? Not at all is it a mistake its actually called a joke but i see you dont catch on to those well.
Why is Tornado in LNER green and sporting a tender that says British Railways? Tornado was built well after the demise of LMS/LNER/GWR/SR and BR.
Apparently LNER apple green was the original colour carried by the first 30 of the 49 Peppercorn class A1s in 1948. BR came into existence on 1st January of that year.
@@Stevedd33 Yes but this one was built after BR had been split up into rail networks and rail hauliers.
@@raisagorbachov Yes, but it was built to represent a class of locomotives that had all been scrapped by 1966. It has carried various different heritage liveries over the years.
What colour scheme *should* it have, then?
Tornado just practicing hamon
Is that the whistle from steam era?
thats a very wide funnel
Sick