Epic wheelslip!
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- Even in edited form, this video's long and painful to watch! Recorded in 1990 we see former South African Railways 16CR 'Pacific' No 817, now Saint Helena Goldmine No. 5 wearing it's driving wheel tyres away. The ex main line loco is attempting to move a rake of loaded bogie coal wagons off the coaling stage, an epic struggle which took it about 25 minutes to accomplish. At no time was any assistance summoned or sand applied to the rail head, just volcanic eruptions from the chimney and spinning driving wheels until the job was done.
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"Hold back! Hold back!" screamed the cars, "come on don't fuss come on don't fuss" fumed James.
And then there was trouble....
This is what happens when you try to get an engine designed for passenger service to do a freight loco's job.
They should have used the big boi.
Freight trains needs to have a high tractive effort. But this stram train has a poor tractive effort.
@ well we do have Big Boys in Indonesia back in the old days that were design as a mix traffic engine, two batch were built by Alco and proved to be an emberassament, the improvef came from Europe, but sadly.. those big engines were scrap
Looking at the size the the driving wheels its a mixed traffic loco
@ doesn't weight enough. It's got plenty of power, not enough weight on the rails.
Using what appears to be an express passenger locomotive to haul a heavy freight train isn't a good idea.
I couldnt agree more. Its like taking a small suv and making it pull a load only a semi-truck can haul
Agreed!
I know right! Like an A4 hauling hoppers. It's just not right
This video is case and point
After steam officially ended here in SA many locomotives were sold off to industry. Needless to say they weren't used for their intended purpose. The above example is missing its cowcatcher or pilot as the yanks like to say.
some say the wheels are spinning to this day
I sat here for 13 minutes watching a train spin. I really need to get my priorities in order
Bobby James could be worse , watching a 13 minute loop of a justin bieber song
is worse
American Siren Productions Ouch
Dude, there is a documentary here somewhere, about cruise-ship horns! I think it was about 90 minutes long.. You should see that
I love how so many think using sand is a cure all, sand helps but it is not the cure all you think it is. A diesel would have traction control to help prevent wheel slip where in a steam engine the engineer relies on his experience and quick action on the throttle, and just because you shut the throttle off does not mean you get instant reaction, there is steam in the system that has to be expelled and that steam is expelled through the drive cylinders, and that is why the wheels slipped and stopped and did it again. Personally watching that video I think the old Pacific did a good job of getting those loads moving up the hill. A GP 38-2 would have had a hard time getting those cars moving. Did I mention I have been an engineer for the past 23 years and know what I'm talking about.
It did this the entire trip. The train didn't arrive until a year later, and it was only going to the next town.
HAH :D
George Pierson hahaha that's got to b best comment on here good one
Ben Conway Cheers.
Boom! My dad said back in the 50's they'd put sand right out onto the frozen tracks....and it'd just pick right up and go....so they're pushing backward with this and there's no ice on the tracks etc. . But...now that they've nicely shined up them tracks with wheel spin....they'll probably never get past there. 🙄 seriously.
Goodness me - it's painful to watch a beautiful loco being abused like that!
"We're not moving"
"Give it some more power then!"
"I'm giving you all she's got Captain!"
A steady hand at the throttle and a lot of sand.
I'm impressed though, such a high-wheeling locomotive moving the train at all, even with the wheelslip.
I spoke to a Person from SA recently who thought his country was in serious trouble as far is its future went. He explained that it was not a matter of who was ruling the place or not. It was not a matter of majority versus minority. It was not a matter of race or of racial mix. He quite simply said the country would fail because of a huge lack of SKILL. Judging by those standing around and just looking instead of throwing sand under the drive wheels, I would have to agree 100%
Tom Tee
And now the Whites are having their farms confiscated and are being ethnically cleansed as we speak.
I wondered the very same thing. If the engine wasn’t equipped with sanders, and wheels are slipping, improvise! Kick something on the rails and see what happens. Traction will happen!
RL
I'm thinking the very unlevel track probably has something to do with not having any traction.
It says in the description that this was done deliberately to run in a set of new driving wheel tires. Descriptions are useful, you should read them.
@@engineerskalinera BS...........
the poor thing. must have been through a lot...what a hard worker.
Meanwhile a 2-8-0 would go chugging happily on by. Those tires must be getting hot.
Given the price of sand I can understand the reluctance to use it.
+pipey61 YES!
+pipey61 It's Africa, man! Where the hell are they going to find sand in Africa?
+Sincronicity How about the Sahara desert?
I'm going to start calling you Sheldon Cooper. You don't seem to understand sarcasm. You are 0 for 1
+Sincronicity
sorry Mr serious. fuck if you know you can use just about anything to get more grip. like dirt or even stones. but all that is common knowledge...
The class was equipped with a sanding gear, a special kind called the Lambert sander which dropped moistened sand on the rails. In ideal conditions it worked well, but maintenance was troublesome, so the Lambert sanders were removed and standard "gravity" sanders were applied. That driver had no excuse for this terrible display.
Ooooooor there wasn't sand available?
There's no sand dome on this loco? Where is the sand kept?
This is in Africa where isn't there sand
mulymule12 .
david whiting y
They should have got people to pee on the rails as the ammonia will get rid of grease. This is also the African temporary remedy for a slipping Land Rover clutch.
I remember watching the same thing going on for 30 mins whilst this SA loco tried to get a trainload of coal moving, the noise, the steam, the slippage was fascinating to watch. Somewhere around Dundee or Newcastle on the way to Jo'Burg.
damn kids and their hot rods
LOL
My guess is that the drivers have had zero training, beyond "Pull this lever!"
read the description
Many of the people who comment negatively about this video have obviously never driven a steam loco. There are many reasons why she is having such a hard time. Sometimes the gods are just not smiling upon you. It is also possible that she is just plain over loaded. As a driver, I have sometimes been in this situation. It is a real challenge and can be a lot of fun to get out of it.
Hear Hear. I thought old mate was doing a real good job of controlling the slips, and apart from the cant on the curve, the engine appears to be leaning over to the right as if she's got a broken spring or twisted frame. No sand doesn't help either. Too many armchair experts in the world. Cheers From Australia.
@@adriannettlefold9084 Thanks for the support. If the loco is leaning because of crook springs, that would upset her as it would upset the weight on her drivers. The wheel slips were not violent. It would have polished the rails nicely.
@@bigkiwimike I was a Driver on Queensland Rsils heritage fleet and know the scenario all to well. I I miss the old kettles. You can spot the blokes from those that think they do pretty quick , hey. Cheers.
@@adriannettlefold9084 you must have had some fun. They have/had a great collection of locos. In 1982 I went to Toogoolawah behind the Bb18 1/4. I would love to see the Garrett running again some day but I believe major repairs to her foundation ring is in order.
@@bigkiwimike yeah had a few good trips with 1079. BG 1009 Probably won't see the light of day again(boiler, Cylinders, tyres, water tank all need repairs), it all comes down to political will at the end of the day. The entire heritage fleet needs Big $$$ spent on it to see it running again. Unfortunately for me, I am now back in Emerald and unlikely to ever work on any of the steam even if it were operating again. Only Mayne train crew get to work heritage. Anyways... off to moonlight for Watco on a stock train tonight. Cheers.
Ive been "stuck" in some situation like this too..
- the place was in Denmark at the Bridge of Storebaelts, the trains drive in the tunnel below the water.
- the grade of the track is up to 1.7 % inclimb..
- With a fraight train we where halted by a red stop signal comming out/up from the tunnel to Sprogø.
But the "struggle to get going again took a while.. we had lots of power.. but the problem was, everytime you try to manualy release the brake, it would roll backwards before power was put to the whells..
But the Train had a feature, so that it could do all the work on its own to get going.
Yet, it still took several minutes before the train even started to move again.
Surprising theres any rods left
+papoocanada why are you surprised? None of these slips are violent by any means.
+mikado1555 the most he did was wear down the rail. not anything with the, "rods?" ain't the first time I've seen something like this. try dragging a locked axel on a diesel for 5 miles because you can't set it out anywhere.
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I agree that none of this has to do anything with the rods and that the engineer/driver wore down the tires and rails. I haven't had to drag any equipment. I am an engineer and mainly operate steam engines. This video isn't ideal but nothing violent. I have been in similar situations myself (not for that length of time or track) and can understand the skill it took to do that.
i was yard crew/conductor. its worse when you see the wheel slip indicator and sand is applied then you start hearing the sound of squealing hot metal for 2 minutes then see sparks and your whole train gets slammed into emergency. ive toyed with steam, but im mostly diesel and traction electric. i would have still gotten out and grabbed some of that roadside sand i saw, at least get some traction. i bet the rail was nice and shiny when he got done though. and about a half inch smaller
Putting sand on the rails can help. It is highly inadvisable to put sand on the rails when the wheels are slipping. One side may dig in while the other side is slipping. This can put a huge strain on the axles and rods and could bend/break axles, rods crank pins.
Damn someone get out and push for gods sake
Thomas the Tank Engine would have brought in Sam to help ;-)
That's what I'm sayin
Why was Henry painted black? D:
racist
Pushing would be a better idea than pulling.
Disconnect the loc, sand on the tracks, move forth and back a few times, loc coupling and there you go.
Tracks no longer slippery from resin and birdspoo :-)))
should have opted for the limit slip differential if they want to do some sick burnouts
ROFLCopter - Jim H, that was funny.
They started the journey with 63 inch wheels and ended up with 62.5 inch wheels.
That's a 4-6-2 Pacific. They were mostly used as fast passenger service locomotives.
Damn, couldn't someone go to the Sahara desert & bring back a couple o' buckets of sand?
oh sorry im late, here's your buckets
"YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HERE AN HOUR AGO"
Shit
Eco 33 Good help is hard to find. lol
The wheel slip could be due to weight
Look at the loco, it doesn't have a sand dome... weird.
Daksha Borkhatrice wheel slip is due to a lot of things. a big problem in the north east is the falling leaves in the fall. when the engine wheels pulverize them they release oils, add some rain to that and a train has hell to pay going up inclines.
Would have been much faster to cut the load in half and made two trips!!
You only need to have the right person at the controls.
***** lol
QuebeC VR no a small tank engine,
QuebeC VR Do you have one available? How close is it? Would you really save enough time and money to be worth paying the extra crew? Besides, the job got done without it.
@@FS2K4Pilot actually, the small diesel would be on it's way without the steam train, cause that steam train is not designed to haul heavy equipment. So yes, the diesel would help tremendously.
For my fellow Geeks out there: This happens, because the kinetic coefficient of friction is lower than the static coefficient of friction. Without slippage, the contact patch between the rail and 'instant center' contact patch of the drive wheel are in a static condition relative to each other. With slippage, the two contact patches are in a kinetic condition relative to each other.
Driver doesn’t know what he is doing or not properly trained. I don’t expect him to know μ(k) < μ(s) but he should have been trained to know that instead of applying full torque he should have applied only the maximum allowable torque that would NOT result in slippage and slowly move out of that area.
That engine needs alot of work done. Especially the wheels
Credits to the crew, they managed to get the train moving with that kind of power.
They deserve a raise.
Apparently they have yet to discover sand.
Poor driving skills We used dry sand on our locomotives not wet sand Our skilled drivers also used the regulator very professionally
LOCO : Thanx for releasing the handbrake Makes my work easier
Seeing the equipment they were given to do the job with, I believe the driver did a first-rate job. This is not a developed country where the footplace crew can throw a tanty and say, 'This is too hard, we're not moving until we get help'. This is perseverance with a capital F.
And a very snazzy logo on the coal tender thats class there
Where's Edward the blue engine when you need em'?
Laurence Oliveri just image how corny that would look
Shunting at Knapford with the tank engines
built for passenger service not freight by the looks of the drivers .
As an steamman this is the wrong loco for this very heavy load !
once he gets going if he ever does.... he will never be able to stop the damn thing lol
joe gilbert the African version of unstoppable
And then the brakes will most likely fail.
Unstartable. ♡ T.E.N.
The gauge is 3 ft 6 in. I rode on the footplate of SAR locomotives several times in the late 70s, and as far as I recall they all had sand. I am guessing the sand hopper was not filled up, or maybe the mechanism was not maintained. Since this is on a mine, they probably use any loco at hand; but you must also wonder at the driver's experience.
The class 16 had the largest driving wheels of any steam locos on the SAR at 6 ft. The real problem is caused by that driver wheel size, and by the fact that there were only 3 driving axles; most of the later freight locomotives had 4 driving axles, e.g. class 19C, class 24, class 25.
Regarding 1990 and still using steam - Steam locos could be bought by the mines from the SAR for a pittance. Coal was cheap, oil was expensive, and labor cheap. All driven by economics.
Chris Doig The class 16C had 1520mm drivers. Some of them were later changed to 1600mm, that's about 5 ft 2 inches. The SAR then reboilerd the class with watson boilers and they were reclassified as 16CR.
The 16E had 6 ft drivers and poppet valve gear that wouldn't have survived in industry for very long.
A mountain class locomotive like the 19 would have done better under these circumstances. There are industrial site in SA that still use steam to this day and they happen to be 19 class locomotives.
Unfortunately the axle loading on a 25 would stop it from traveling on most industrial lines and they were very slippery at the best of times. The 24 was just as slippery, take a look at my videos of the 24 class maintained by our club.
+Wayne Nauschutz You are correct - I should have said it was the 16E that had the 6ft drivers; other class 16s had smaller drivers.
Enjoyed your steam & diesel videos in the Swartland - it's been a long time since I last saw Moorreesburg station! Apart from riding steam trains in the 70s, I was hang gliding in that area in the 80s near Porterville.
they ran 70mph+ reguraly on the port Elizabeth Uitenhage suburban trains. my dad had 790 till withdrawn from suburban service
Watching this video, considering how well preserved operable steam locomotives are maintained, is something that very, very, rarely happens or doesn't at all. It seems that by looking at the state of the locomotive, little to no or poorly executed maintenance was done. This video is a rarity, spectacle, and a pain to watch. Thanks to the guys who filmed this once in a lifetime event, whom if we were without them, this rare event would be forgotten.
Unless the sanders have failed, wheel slip is a matter of driver skill, not maintenance.
obviously a callous disregard for the equipment.
I grew up riding these. My Daddy worked for the Pennsylvania RR
Daddy?
Well, you know...
Glenn Hubbard Lmao he gets it! ^^^
The hungry kids in Africa could have eaten that wasted power.
LMAO
+vector6977 well they definately couldv'e used all the energy that was wasted
+vector6977 name just one!
+Sincronicity it's a joke.
+Sincronicity it's a joke.
Wow! Fantastic! It is painful to watch! I've been searching and searching for footage of this locomotive for a long time (or any 16CR footage for that matter) so you uploading this is like a miracle! Thanks for sharing!
Given enough traction, she would have been long gone.
It hurts to watch this. A picture of complete incompetence.
+hawkeye0248 And your level of knowledge and experience with full size steam engines is what exactly?
Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery.
Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse?
Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing
extra resistance?
Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery?
Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to
the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery?
If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator
might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA.
If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open
very quickly and too much.
So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty.
Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break
loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can
regain traction.
If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the
little momentum that he has.
He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow
them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop.
If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a
balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small
amounts.
There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.
+mikado1555 Oh come on, you are just trying to protect this incompetent driver.The driver should know the constrains on his engine and operate it accordingly - and not just fuck on regardless.
hawkeye0248 You know fvck-all about railroading. Sometimes you just have the engine you're given (maybe it's the biggest and best they have/have available/will fit weight limits and clearances on that particular bit of pike), and you have the job you're given, and you just have to make it work any way you can. If that means torturing the engine, then that's what you have to do.
You say this engineer's incompetent? In fact he just took an overloaded engine and somehow got the job done anyway.
mikado1555 Very well said sir. Every point you raise is 100% valid. I come back to this video from time to time to see what other ignorant/know it all comments have been posted. I bet most of these people have never lifted a regulator in their lives or had to fight your way up a slippery hill in the rain. Cheers from New Zealand.
Wow, that looks like some really small gauge track there.
Also, the Little Engine That Couldn't... for obvious reasons.
UnbeltedSundew 3'6" cape gauge.
Didn't the driver know the old trick of backing up the first three trucks and then pulling them hard using their resultant momentum to "unstick" to following trucks one by one ?
+Restored Prints You mean aligning the pins and bushings to be in time with the valves?? Yeah,I'm sure thats what you meant.....I think this idiot forgot to release his car brakes.
Good job that tender's well stacked with the black gold!!
Stupid engineer running a steamer with an empty sandbox and not even enough sence to kick dirt and gravel from the adjacent roadway onto the track to gain even a litle more tractive-grip on the rails. Even antiquated technology in the hands of a moron is hopeless.
Sandbox doesn't exist in these kind of steam locomotives
TouffmanJasonTGV Actually they did!
Wayne Nauschutz o i didn't knew
TouffmanJasonTGV no problem.
+Lavern Dickerson Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery.
Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse?
Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing
extra resistance?
Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery?
Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to
the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery?
If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator
might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA.
If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open
very quickly and too much.
So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty.
Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break
loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can
regain traction.
If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the
little momentum that he has.
He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow
them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop.
If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a
balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small
amounts.
There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.
do any one know......the A2 peppercorn pacific no.60532 blue peter has destroys itself by wheel slip back in 1,oct,1994.....there is a video of it....title is The Infamous Blue Peter Slip on here
I think maybe the driver should have taken it slow and steady instead of opening the regulator more as it kept on loosing grop. This can cause harm to the steel tyres on the wheels.
Was that an irresponsible way to operate a locomotive, or didn't they have any choice?
+g bridgman it would most likely be held as irresponsible on some railroads/in some countries, but other places they might not care as much about the equipment, just get the job done.
Great demonstration of rolling resistance vs sliding resistance.
I HATE watching and listening to machinery being tortured. That's exactly what was happening here. This was abyssmal ignorance compounded with incompetence.
+navy57 And what experience do you have with steam engines? Any?
Are the wheels worn? Engines with worn wheels tend to be slippery.
Are the sanders working? Does the engine have sanders for reverse?
Is the brake rigging hanging up on the cars or something else causing
extra resistance?
Is this class of engine known to be light on the drivers and slippery?
Is the track uneven enough that too much weight is being transferred to
the lead truck and trailing truck, making the engine slippery?
If this engine is based off an English design, the throttle/regulator
might not be a balanced type that we use in dome throttles in the USA.
If it is the unbalanced type, it can be hard to feather and can open
very quickly and too much.
So the dry pipe fills up with steam and it takes a while to empty.
Kinetic friction is less than static friction so once the wheels break
loose, the pressure really needs to drop quite a bit before it can
regain traction.
If the engine is moving, he may be trying a controlled slip to keep the
little momentum that he has.
He could also be trying to keep enough steam into the cylinders to slow
them down slowly and not have them come to a complete stop.
If it is an unbalanced throttle, you don't have the fine feel of a
balanced throttle and it can be harder to regulate the steam in small
amounts.
There are way too many unknowns to blame the engineer/driver.
+mikado1555 I have NO experience with steam locomotives. I DO have a great deal of experience with major machinery -- steam, internal combustion, and electrical. I know when it's being abused, or in this case, tortured.
I'm an engineer by natural inclination, by education, and by years of practical experience with US Navy ships, especially as Engineer Officer of two submarines.
I need no sneering -- "You don't know what you're talking about ..." criticism from you.
As boy growing up in New Orleans during WWII I observed innumerable steam locomotives in action. My home was less than a half mile from the New Orleans Public Belt RR which linked all of the trunk railroads with the port facilities. They were hauling all kinds of military freight -- tanks, trucks, guns, airplanes -- you name it -- 24/7. It wasn't necessary to observe them. They could be heard around the clock
These NOPBR's locomotives -- mainly 2-8-0 switch engines -- were operated by professionals, not by blithering idiots as the individual who was yanking the throttle in the video appeared to be. If there was any slippage, at a start it rarely happened more than once -- not for 25 consecutive minutes like the locomotive featured in this debacle.
+mikado1555 Why are you copying and pasting the same comment to other people on this video?
I'm asking them the same questions as they are making the same comments. Chances are they all have 0 experience with steam and are only guessing and blaming.
Strong opinions are not always good, especially when the person how has the strong opinion has 0 or very limited knowledge about the topic.
Nothing is ever straight forward, black and white.
If the complainers and blamers can't answer the questions, explain why it matters or know what the questions are talking about, then they don't have much knowledge about the topic.
I don't understand why people in their ignorance would have strong opinions and blame and feel that they know how to do it/what was done wrong.
Their complaining/bitching attitude is a bit arrogant. Don't you agree?
+DavexScott88 Good question. Perhaps Mikado1555 believes he is the ultimate source of knowledge about steam locomotives. The more people he interrogates about this video, the better he feels about himself.
I don't care why this locomotive's drivers were slipping -- for 25 minutes. There are lots of factors that, individually or in combination, could be the cause(s) for it, but it is what was happening,not why, that bothered me. If Mikado1555 would step back from his "holier than thou"; stance and look at the video, maybe he could acknowledge that this locomotive was being TORTURED ...
I will cheerfully stipulate that Mikado1555 knows a lot more about steam locomotives than I do, ever will care to know. On the other hand I have significant knowledge about a broad spectrum of engineering matters -- about which he has NONE.
Most people are forgetting that that load his pulling is huge ,That steamer needed more weight on it to pull tho im sure there is a weight limit. He was going gentle on the throttle if you ask me.
And this is why it's difficult to switch with a passenger engine! Props to the engineer for getting her to move eventually - not exactly an easy thing to do with that much weight on the drawbar! Is there a grade on that siding?
The little engine that could
Scott Kuchciak .....not
Overloaded , to much dead rail , all it needs is sand or cinders on the rail . If you notice the drive wheels on the loco are large . This is because it's designed to travel at high speeds over flat terrain , such as in passenger service , not for this sort of use .
Driver incompetence pure and simple
Poor old girl! That's what happens when you hook a thoroughbred to a plow. :-( A 2-8-0 the same weight wouldn't break a sweat. Crew seems to have some "issues as well." I'd have dug sand from along the rails if there was none on board. I think they're also trying to start the train with the slack stretched. They needed to either set the handbrake or chock the wheels on the last car, back up to run the slack in, then start. Loved the last shot of the guys taking photos of the rail damage! Can you say "engine burn"?
Get more people to ride on cab, so adhesion wheel to rail track will improve....:)
Narrow gage tracks are known to cause this, BUT, in this case, it is caused from 1 or 2 of three things. 1) Super smoothed tracks caused from the insecent spinning of the drivers so many times, 2) Sanders not working obviously; 3) Engineer does not have a clue of the adhesive factors of that engine on that track and trying to work the engine to fast with to darn much steam, instead of cracking the steam and let the engine work it real slow, let it get moving and keep your hands off the throttle for heavens sakes. Next time know your tractive effort for that engine and what the tonnage of your train is. WOW!!!
I fell so sorry for the bushings on those drivers and the men who had to rebuild them. Time for a GOOD engineer and fix those sanders for peets sakes!
Yes most certainly most definitely for real epic wheel sleep👍👍👍👍
I can only imagine how good that is for those trees.
InsideOfMyOwnMind Better than diesel.
lol someone thought it would be cute the put some 10w 40 motor oil on the track. .....
Yep, that's what I reckon
I see the train move backwards at several points... looks like he's fighting a grade.
I think he was back-loading the couplings between the cars... there is probably 10 feet of play with all those couplings added together, so he could throw the weight of the engine before the entire stack loaded up in the forward direction again.
To the people saying its under powered. If it was under powered, the wheels would not spin.
Good to see the old girl still earning her keep as Late as 1990
for one dont peg it, youre not gonna go anywhere... two you have to use sand, even if you throw it down by hand
5109lover Dude, it's steel on steel. You could just crack the throttle and still spin them as soon as the slack runs out without touching the throttle.
To quote the wise Sage Forrest Gump "Stupid is as stupid does". The engineer operating this locomotive has no business being in the cab, then, now or ever again.
The steam equivalent of a teenage car hoon, spinning the wheels out!
That's why new age trains have sand pipes in front of the first wheels.
The majority of steam locomotives back then also had sand. Just not this one for some bizarre reason
OMG
Thanks for sharing video 👍
0:18 why the locomotive Looks inclined?
Turn on the traction control.
This engine: “A goods train? A goods train? A goods train!? The shame of it, the shame of it! Ooohhh, the shame of it!”
Waisted the half of his fuel (coal) for the departure only :) Good to watch!
sad when someone does not know how to properly operate a steam locomotive.
I couldn't watch it. A steam engine is like a living thing and to see it struggle like that is hard to watch.
One of the slowest panning shots I've ever seen!
Amazing confidence by the driver that he can control all of those many spins so that they didn't become supersonic, rip the connecting rods off or carry water over into the cylinders = a slab of cylinder casing blowing a hole in your camera!!
Very interesting, how they back the engine up slightly to where they had better adhesion and try a mini charge to get over the next little bit of more slippery track.
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Ad be well pissed if someone had left the handbrake on after all that lol
That train must be the Ozone layers worst nightmare
i have 3 sollutions that work in my head.
1. sand
2. disconnect half the train
3. a rear helper
sand i can understand because of cost issues, but common sense would have at least one of them say "this train must be too heavy. let's disconnect a few cars/ask for a helper"
Sand ain't expensive, this is in Africa.
6 years later and all that can be seen is the chimney sticking out of the ground 😂😂😂
I keep wondering whether, had this technology continued, some design measure could be thought of that would limit the speed of the wheels under these conditions.
B. Xoit Yes, it could be done mechanically, though this is more an operator and maintenance issue. But in this case you had an operator that kept insisting in laying into the throttle every time it got the slightest grip instead of either slowly building speed or dispensing sand on the rails (and other available solutions as well) to gain traction quickly. Such is what happens when nobody cares to take proper care of their machinery, if only they took some pride in their work and machinery.
So the locomotive got the job done (25 mins later)? I'm impressed that she got it done after all that struggling.
Should have handed the engineer a note that he was going to be famous and seen on YT.
As the train appears sliding back, could the engineer have backed and then run through the gradient? Was that an option? I wonder; the struggle of the engine was so terrible. VishG
The wear on the drivers puts more of the weight on the guide wheels exacerbating the problem, adjust the spring tension on the drivers or remove shims from the guide wheels and the drivers instantly get more bite. Obviously sand is an immediate remedy that is being disregarded for some reason.
Needs Lionel Magna- traction. Always worked when I was a kid.
He is doing the best he can. Sand is lacking obviously, but he is trying to reverse to compress the links between wagons. He may have try with less cut off... But possibly the train is just too heavy. In this case the responsability is not that of the engineer but that of the company staff !
That noise is the steam pistons! :o I always thought the "chugga chugga chugga" was from the seams on the tracks or something!
Even an extra tank engine would be enough to get her moving. It's just a little too much
would it have killed then just to disconnect a few cars so the train can get going?? you can always come back for them later. plus im sure this isnt the first time they are doing this so you would think they would have know how much the loco can pull.
This engine hasn't got any sanding gear at all.
Making the wheels spin like that just means the engineer doesn't know how to run it
I think this is a passenger steam.
It's made for speed,But don't for heavy works at mines.
thought those had something that sprayed some type of grit to get traction
They usually have a sand dome on top of the boiler. This locomotive appears to not have one, so it doesn't have any sand to apply.
@@owenvogelgesang7314 has no-one heard of having sandboxes underneath the frames? I believe these engines were indeed fitted with sanding gear, but it may have run out.
I would really appreciate it if you could upload any more of this loco in action! Thank You!