It's 1 in 66 out of Bridgenorth. With 8 on(as most trains have) it can be a bit of a struggle for most locos. Some have no issues at all. Worst I've seen is Ravningham Hall that eventually needed a shove from a Western diesel. The best I've seen being from the lines resident 8f which didn't slip at all! It's fun to watch the slipping, but not so from the footplate, as everything shakes rattles & rolls. Spilling the tea is a no no!
I never became a mechanic or an enginner, I'm not sad about that, I actually very happy working creativly from home, but I was always very impressed by machinery wether its the old tons of steel machines or the modern fast and slick scifi machinery. Trains specificly have always been a part of my early childhood. Its just impressive to look at, especialy in motion.:-D
can depend on grip, ie sanders cut off percentage and avoiding the dead centre start. she is capable of lifting the severn valley vetuter out of bridgnorth, done it many a time, if not due to the mentioned factors then down to driver style.
Imagine if the piston is seoerated 180.and got stuck because the piston is full on extended on one side and the other side is the same because ita a 180 dgrees
@@Literallyasyrup the crank pins are set 90° apart on the drive wheels. There is no dead spot. But, too much throttle causes the wheels to slip. So the engineer has to use very little throttle, with full steam pressure to slowly get rolling.
If you listen to the beat carefully as it moves away one is slightly stronger than the others, even the smoke puff travels a bit further out of the chimney. I bet it was that stroke that caused the slip each time.
Look close and you can see that the engineer (driver) knows wtf he's doing. He has sand on, but the instant the drivers free wheel he shuts the sand off, then reapplies it after gaining traction, and repeats. You NEVER dump sand WHILE the drivers are spinning, just one side of the axles might catch grip and the force differential can, and has, broke shit.
The sanders aren't used at all, look closely and you will not see any steam coming out of the steam sanders, and that's why the loco slipped, a classic example of when the sanders should have been used.
Thanks for a great video. At Bridgenorth you are straight onto a gradient when leaving the platform. I think the driver coped well under the circumstances. What a pity about the loud-mouthed unthinking bystanders spoiling the sound track. Numpties !!
It is a public path and are entitled to talk. I am afraid you dont have the right to tell people to be quiet fro 5 mins so u can upload a clip to youtube. I often photo from there and people with a tripod and recorder seem to think they have run of the station, they dont i am afraid . They didnt start making a noise really until the engine was out of sight so think thye behaved well
@@nickedwards2904 "I am afraid you dont have the right to tell people to be quiet fro 5 mins so u can upload a clip to youtube" He didn't, he merely expressed his displeasure at what the bystanders said/how they said it, which as you point out he *is* allowed to do.
@@nickedwards2904 "did i say he did?" Thats the joys of being implicit vs explicit. You didn't explicitly say that. .. ...He didn't explicity tell them to be quiet for 5 minutes. But by saying to him personally " *YOU* don't have the right to tell people to be quiet"... your comment implies that he is "has no right" to complain about people being loud. Can you see see the irony here? Either that OR the purpose of your comment was to try and explain freedom of speech exists.. without actually saying "freedom of speech" for some reason which seems unlikely. Was there some other meaning to your ogininal comment I cannot conceive?
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Last time I remember seeing a 10 coach load on the SVR, it was behind 48773... which gives a bit of a sense that it's been a bit of a rarity for me. Still, suffice to say that the 8F made slightly less fuss about it than this!
This is nothing new at Bridgnorth on Platform 1, the track rises slightly and the rails are greasy and most large tender engine tend to find problems starting a 7 coach mark 1 set from a standing start
This is a very slippery spot, apparently, and ten is a heavy load to get moving here. There's a video of a King having a little slip with just eight on. th-cam.com/video/h_hSQ9J_CDY/w-d-xo.html
Perhaps they could manually put some sand on the rail head around that spot BEFORE the train comes in , it would then crush the sand incoming and be on the rail head when the loco runs round as there does seem to be an issue in that area.
Gordon, Henry and James should watch something like this before belittling other engines about struggling to leave the station, least of all Edward post-"Exploit".
Yeah, but how many express Pacific's could make nearly 2000 hp and had less than 60 tons to put it to the rail? I love them in either form. The last steam type I ever saw on BR at Bournemouth summer 1967.
The driver puts sand down in front of the wheels which roughens the metal surfaces but it's difficult to judge how much to open the regulator on a heavy train on a hill.
We had skp do this at llangollen last year it left 28 mins late it was not happy that day and the crew were not impressed and the crew of the loco that was pulling are train were stuck at the shed.
Hopefully I can answer that, there's a few potential reasons, One is the driver themselves, as a Fireman I have worked with many drivers who will just try to thrash the engine, and end up slipping constantly as a result. That doesn't look like the case here though, as the chuffs were definitely nowhere near a wide open regulator. So slippery/damp rails could be the case perhaps. Another possibility is more technical; in none-engineer terms, Steam engines emit steam into the valve chest and then into the cylinders, the way the valve gear on steam engines work means that an awful lot of force is applied at once, especially when starting off. Generally a driver (from my own experience) will aim for the most power whilst retaining adhesion, and usually just go that bit too far! Diesels can also have this problem, but I imagine they are designed a different way that maybe prevents the more "all or nothing" aspect that some steam can have, or simply that Diesel drivers may generally be more gentle on the controls than some steam drivers. I'm not a diesel or electric follower myself though so I can't be certain, and I'm sure someone could probably explain it better than me. If you're not already though, I'd heavily recommend volunteering on a Heritage Railway; the insight and knowledge you gain really is something! Hope any of that helps :)
Diesel electrics and electrics generally have series wound motors. When one wheel slips that motor turns faster increasing the back emf and reducing the field current which intern lowers the torque applied to the wheel. Hence they are to an extent self limiting. They also have slip relays that reduce the power if there is a current difference between traction motors caused by a a wheel losing grip and letting the motor accelerate. More recent DEs have traction control which compares wheel speed with ground speed this allows up to 4% slip which is the maximum traction point
@@ianfoster8908 Thank you for the most honest answer with zero insults into my lack of knowledge, made perfect sense to my query, you Sir are what the internet needs.
Diesels and electrics can indeed do it too if the rail is slippery enough. In the days when diesel locos hauled expresses (e.g. class 47s) you would see them start very gingerly to just get the train moving gently, shut off power for a couple of seconds and then increase power steadily. May have been to avoid slipping, but I had the impression it was to avoid too much of a power surge to the motors. Whereas dmus and electrics just seemed to put the power on straight away.
Typical Spam behaviour, they were always light footed even on flat track in BR days at Waterloo and Basingstoke plus many other SR stations. Best for this load on this line 8f, 9f GWR 8 wheelers etc.
What a bunch of imbecilic comments. 3 cylinder locos don't suffer "silly mid-on". The loco has over 2,000hp at its disposal so a 10 coach train is a walk in the park. There is no evidence of the steam sanding being used. And if you think that's wheel spin, you should try leaving Waterloo with a 15 coach train full of people, where you were not allowed to use the sanding due to track circuitry problems. More a case of a "Muppet" for a driver, and/or a handbrake left on.
It’s not struggling they all do this wheel slipping is something they all started doing for fun🤷🏻♀️ you see videos on them doing it on purpose this was also on purpose
I used to live next to the railway line between Prestatyn and Rhyl and seen this engine many times, it is only a slight incline but this piece of crap wouldn't pull you out of bed, every other steam loco used absolutely nailed it, Princess Elizabeth and Oliver Cromwell made very light work of it even the odd class 5 had no problems but Taw was useless, Hornby made more powerful Locos than this piece of junk.
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1:12 hahaha. The cameraman got scared!! That is some fantastic wheelslip.. Kudos!!
this made me laugh more than it should have
those whistles are loud especially when right beside them like that & unexpected blast is enough to send anyone into the sky
I got jumpscared as well! But being a railfan, that is the only jumpscare that actually makes me happy 😊
You can really sense the power and pressure held in the boiler when the whistles blows!
It's 1 in 66 out of Bridgenorth. With 8 on(as most trains have) it can be a bit of a struggle for most locos. Some have no issues at all. Worst I've seen is Ravningham Hall that eventually needed a shove from a Western diesel. The best I've seen being from the lines resident 8f which didn't slip at all! It's fun to watch the slipping, but not so from the footplate, as everything shakes rattles & rolls. Spilling the tea is a no no!
Great video, thanks for the upload.
I visit this railway every year ( i'm from Australia) My favourite spot in the world.
This locomotive needs some hornby traction tyers
Magnahesion
I never became a mechanic or an enginner, I'm not sad about that, I actually very happy working creativly from home, but I was always very impressed by machinery wether its the old tons of steel machines or the modern fast and slick scifi machinery. Trains specificly have always been a part of my early childhood. Its just impressive to look at, especialy in motion.:-D
can depend on grip, ie sanders cut off percentage and avoiding the dead centre start. she is capable of lifting the severn valley vetuter out of bridgnorth, done it many a time, if not due to the mentioned factors then down to driver style.
The (in)famous dead spot where none of the pistons can find enough leverage to move the train.
Top dead center be like 👀
Imagine if the piston is seoerated 180.and got stuck because the piston is full on extended on one side and the other side is the same because ita a 180 dgrees
@@Literallyasyrup the crank pins are set 90° apart on the drive wheels. There is no dead spot.
But, too much throttle causes the wheels to slip. So the engineer has to use very little throttle, with full steam pressure to slowly get rolling.
@@timgreen4137 she is a 3 cylinder engine, the cranks are 120 degrees apart. There should be no place where no piston is nor getting some eteam
You mean, where none of the wheels can find enough friction to move the train.
The piston seem to be doing just fine!
i've got on headphones and the whistle scared tf out of me too lmao
Thank god I'm not the only one 😭
If you listen to the beat carefully as it moves away one is slightly stronger than the others, even the smoke puff travels a bit further out of the chimney. I bet it was that stroke that caused the slip each time.
The Bulleids have their flaws, but they're still amazing engines
Yes: all that power only transmittable at the point of contact of the wheels with the rails (a few inches, perhaps).
Such a marvel of technology, it's strange to think they're now old fashioned and obsolete!
Look close and you can see that the engineer (driver) knows wtf he's doing. He has sand on, but the instant the drivers free wheel he shuts the sand off, then reapplies it after gaining traction, and repeats. You NEVER dump sand WHILE the drivers are spinning, just one side of the axles might catch grip and the force differential can, and has, broke shit.
Kinda like a positrac in a Plymouth, nobody knows how it works it just does! 🙈
The sanders aren't used at all, look closely and you will not see any steam coming out of the steam sanders, and that's why the loco slipped, a classic example of when the sanders should have been used.
Thanks for a great video. At Bridgenorth you are straight onto a gradient when leaving the platform. I think the driver coped well under the circumstances. What a pity about the loud-mouthed unthinking bystanders spoiling the sound track. Numpties !!
It is a public path and are entitled to talk. I am afraid you dont have the right to tell people to be quiet fro 5 mins so u can upload a clip to youtube. I often photo from there and people with a tripod and recorder seem to think they have run of the station, they dont i am afraid . They didnt start making a noise really until the engine was out of sight so think thye behaved well
@@nickedwards2904 "I am afraid you dont have the right to tell people to be quiet fro 5 mins so u can upload a clip to youtube"
He didn't, he merely expressed his displeasure at what the bystanders said/how they said it, which as you point out he *is* allowed to do.
@@tomstech4390 did i say he did? i said you dont have the right to, huge difference there , think about it
@@nickedwards2904 "did i say he did?"
Thats the joys of being implicit vs explicit.
You didn't explicitly say that.
..
...He didn't explicity tell them to be quiet for 5 minutes.
But by saying to him personally " *YOU* don't have the right to tell people to be quiet"... your comment implies that he is "has no right" to complain about people being loud.
Can you see see the irony here?
Either that OR the purpose of your comment was to try and explain freedom of speech exists.. without actually saying "freedom of speech" for some reason which seems unlikely.
Was there some other meaning to your ogininal comment I cannot conceive?
@@tomstech4390 in your opinion, well done. i dont agree
Hey mate, is it OK to feature your clip in a my chanel for educational purposes (so-called temporary copyright.)? You can stop me from using your content at any time and it will be deleted immediately.
It will be credited in the description & comments section with your name. Thanks, MM
Yeah that's fine
1:14 camera man jumped 😂
brilliant camera work and I can finally use my screen to it's full quality.
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woow thats a beautiful locomotive
I love this loco. Even its wheelslip is epic.........
Last time I remember seeing a 10 coach load on the SVR, it was behind 48773... which gives a bit of a sense that it's been a bit of a rarity for me.
Still, suffice to say that the 8F made slightly less fuss about it than this!
Great footage. Thanks for sharing.
This is nothing new at Bridgnorth on Platform 1, the track rises slightly and the rails are greasy and most large tender engine tend to find problems starting a 7 coach mark 1 set from a standing start
V2s northbound out of York in service days was the place for wheelslip ;-)
I seen this happening during a Wartime Gala at SVR. They had to use 1450 & 1501 at the rear to push it out.
Wow...do you captured this...
Can I use this video in my train compilation video credit to you in video will be given
Of course, no problem
@@JaeV2000 Thank you....
This is a very slippery spot, apparently, and ten is a heavy load to get moving here.
There's a video of a King having a little slip with just eight on.
th-cam.com/video/h_hSQ9J_CDY/w-d-xo.html
Fantastic steam loco
Perhaps they could manually put some sand on the rail head around that spot BEFORE the train comes in , it would then crush the sand incoming and be on the rail head when the loco runs round as there does seem to be an issue in that area.
Ah glad to see I am not the only one who gets scared by the whistle
You can see it on a few compilation people have filmed, they shit themselves more often than you think
Gordon, Henry and James should watch something like this before belittling other engines about struggling to leave the station, least of all Edward post-"Exploit".
They would probably go and berate Taw Valley for being built by Oliver Bullied and brag about their builders instead of being ashamed.
the notorious bullied slipping issue.
That was before they were rebuilt.
Still a problem after rebuilding. However, here oil regularly coats the railhead.....
Yeah, but how many express Pacific's could make nearly 2000 hp and had less than 60 tons to put it to the rail? I love them in either form. The last steam type I ever saw on BR at Bournemouth summer 1967.
I thought the slipping was due to oil leaking from the chaincase.
Francis Boyle you’re correct, but a pacific with less than 60 tons of adhesion was always going to be light on its feet.
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When Gresley was there it didn’t slip surprisingly
Volcanic indeed. Great filming.
Is that a common problem with this class?
2:25 wheelslip starts
1:13 the camera guys like "HOLY SH*T!!"
Lol
2:25 So the sound from Edward’s exploit came from Taw Valley
(Btw it was a remake of Edward’s exploit)
passengers ate too many cream buns.....
Why the loud scream? Was it just someone joking? 3:57
Who dares me to make a playlist with some trains wheelslipping
Is all that slippage good? I thought there was some remedy for it
The driver puts sand down in front of the wheels which roughens the metal surfaces but it's difficult to judge how much to open the regulator on a heavy train on a hill.
We had skp do this at llangollen last year it left 28 mins late it was not happy that day and the crew were not impressed and the crew of the loco that was pulling are train were stuck at the shed.
I'm wearing headphones and the whistle made me jump as well lol
How did British Rail run a timetable with these locomotives slipping all the time?
1:12 I jumped too. That was a sneaky horn there.
Gawd, the BB and WC class could slip for England in the Olynpics.
The MN class was a little more sure-footed, perhaps a little heavier axle load.
It clearly has the power. We just need sticky wheels
It has too much power that is why it slips
I came wanting sole slip and was not disappointed
who is watching this that love trains
I hope she is okay 😢😮
The rails must be badly worn here, the Schools had similar trouble in the same spot.
Now that is really bad handling. Why are they always so reluctant to use sanders?
AndreiTupolev probably blocked.... again
The track is sanded on the way back down to hook onto the coaches.
Wheel slip was Bullied pacifics specialty.
I have seen their train and I was about 4 feet away from it
More coal more pressure and little sand on the track Mr Fireman please!
Roses are red violets are blue the camera guy loses his shit around 1:42
Using sand might be an option, in order to prevent slipping rails...
Only an option if they work
Well done driver for controlling the slip should of sanded the rails before departure.
No sanding
good vid olweeys hate too see a good trane strugle
Murdoch?
Murdoch is an 9F
2:25 2:39 2:52 3:01 HOLY COW!
Immer die selben Anfahrtsprobleme der alten Schlachtrösser.
Perfect.
At 1:14 🚂 you were scared ! 😄
It's like a car doing burnouts
Still impressive...
Look at the size of this monster now compare with modern diesels mind you I'm glad I lived thro' this era
The Beautiful Bulleids. Problematic, but nonetheless beautiful.
View quality is poor due to fooling around with the lens from dark to good and back to dark.
2015 smartphone, No HDR, Or stabilization 🤷♀️
1:14 bruh 😂😂😂
Wonder why pretty much every steam engine ive seen wheel spins yet the diesels or electrics dont suffer with that...
Hopefully I can answer that, there's a few potential reasons,
One is the driver themselves, as a Fireman I have worked with many drivers who will just try to thrash the engine, and end up slipping constantly as a result. That doesn't look like the case here though, as the chuffs were definitely nowhere near a wide open regulator. So slippery/damp rails could be the case perhaps.
Another possibility is more technical;
in none-engineer terms, Steam engines emit steam into the valve chest and then into the cylinders, the way the valve gear on steam engines work means that an awful lot of force is applied at once, especially when starting off. Generally a driver (from my own experience) will aim for the most power whilst retaining adhesion, and usually just go that bit too far! Diesels can also have this problem, but I imagine they are designed a different way that maybe prevents the more "all or nothing" aspect that some steam can have, or simply that Diesel drivers may generally be more gentle on the controls than some steam drivers. I'm not a diesel or electric follower myself though so I can't be certain, and I'm sure someone could probably explain it better than me.
If you're not already though, I'd heavily recommend volunteering on a Heritage Railway; the insight and knowledge you gain really is something! Hope any of that helps :)
Diesel electrics and electrics generally have series wound motors. When one wheel slips that motor turns faster increasing the back emf and reducing the field current which intern lowers the torque applied to the wheel. Hence they are to an extent self limiting. They also have slip relays that reduce the power if there is a current difference between traction motors caused by a a wheel losing grip and letting the motor accelerate. More recent DEs have traction control which compares wheel speed with ground speed this allows up to 4% slip which is the maximum traction point
@@ianfoster8908 Thank you for the most honest answer with zero insults into my lack of knowledge, made perfect sense to my query, you Sir are what the internet needs.
Oh but they do. No powered rail vehicle is immune to wheel slip in areas of poor adhesion .
Diesels and electrics can indeed do it too if the rail is slippery enough. In the days when diesel locos hauled expresses (e.g. class 47s) you would see them start very gingerly to just get the train moving gently, shut off power for a couple of seconds and then increase power steadily. May have been to avoid slipping, but I had the impression it was to avoid too much of a power surge to the motors. Whereas dmus and electrics just seemed to put the power on straight away.
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That's not struggling, it's being driven badly
🤣 the poor man's soul literally left his body on that whilslt
Pity the poor fireman seeing his fire being dragged through into the chimney! Bulleid Pacifics were prone to slipping.
Ah, the Bulleid "Banana Skin" class 4-6-2.
Wonderful looking engines though.
11 coaches that’s allot
Is it me or are they putting too many coach's on these old girls
While steam locos are fascinating, this clip demonstrates how poorly they put power to the rail
Complete rubbish. Its all down to technique on the footplate crews side. A skilled professional crew from the steam era would rarely have issues
@@HotelBravo0499 compared to diesels they are rubbish. You are correct
@@NoBody-ht1oh not what I said. Diesels are more efficient but you are talking about pure power to rail. In that sense they are pretty much equal
@@HotelBravo0499 no they aren’t.
@@NoBody-ht1oh think what you want. You cleary are uneducated in the matter
CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG
like train
Its a hybrid. Steam on the front, diesel on the back.
Of the train? In that case its only providing electrical power to the coaches and acting as a reserve In case the engine fails
No diesel on that train, as you could see if you watched to the end.
1:12
Typical Spam behaviour, they were always light footed even on flat track in BR days at Waterloo and Basingstoke plus many other SR stations. Best for this load on this line 8f, 9f GWR 8 wheelers etc.
When you get black smoke you need fire out the stsck
What a bunch of imbecilic comments. 3 cylinder locos don't suffer "silly mid-on". The loco has over 2,000hp at its disposal so a 10 coach train is a walk in the park. There is no evidence of the steam sanding being used. And if you think that's wheel spin, you should try leaving Waterloo with a 15 coach train full of people, where you were not allowed to use the sanding due to track circuitry problems. More a case of a "Muppet" for a driver, and/or a handbrake left on.
Да, опасная штука.
Стоять рядом, обоссыт кипятком.;))
Jesus that made me jump 😂
Super Video - aber scheiß Kamera ;)
It’s not struggling they all do this wheel slipping is something they all started doing for fun🤷🏻♀️ you see videos on them doing it on purpose this was also on purpose
2:02 we get it u vape
Strasnica locomotiva...
SR slipper class.
train: i wish i had sanders ;-;
Typical SR Pacific! 🤣
Bulleid's did this all the time on the flat in dry weather with nothing behind. Bloody junk
Junk to you. Fave to me. Each to his own.
Carross velhoss
Fds?😳
I used to live next to the railway line between Prestatyn and Rhyl and seen this engine many times, it is only a slight incline but this piece of crap wouldn't pull you out of bed, every other steam loco used absolutely nailed it, Princess Elizabeth and Oliver Cromwell made very light work of it even the odd class 5 had no problems but Taw was useless, Hornby made more powerful Locos than this piece of junk.
10/10 and 5 Housepoints for such an original and well thought through observation.
But rebuilt Bulleids were the most handsome engines of all, despite them being prone to a bit of wheelslip.. other locos are their ugly sisters.
1:14