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Is It Numbers Matching? - 428 CJ Cougar by the Numbers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we delve into the complex topic of decoding tags, date codes, and other numbers to check if your classic Ford / Mercury is "numbers matching," using Don's newly acquired '69 Mercury Cougar XR7 428 Cobra Jet convertible as an example. While we haven't covered the subject 100% in this video (to keep it concise) we think this covers most of the major components and gives you the knowledge you need to figure out what your numbers mean. As mentioned in the video, we highly recommend Marti Auto Works, especially his Tagbook, which made this video possible. Visit him at www.martiauto.com , and for everything Cougar, visit us at www.cougarpartscatalog.com
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window switch was put there by an assembly line worker to be the mystery rattle the dealership mechanics could never find?
As cougars were coming down the assembly line each station would bend and snap off the tags from the master sheet as in my 68 all the tags once removed can be placed all together in a "strip" including core tag door tag and VIN .
Great vid for the Ford buff!! I very much enjoyed it! Very nice Cougar and nice score on all the original stuff! The original carb in the trunk was a great score, as was the build sheet! Now that this vid is 7+ years old, you probably have this car looking like new by now.
The next owners had it totally restored by KTL, so it's looking better than new now!
Interesting and informative. Great find on the paperwork under the carpeting.
Very informative. You guys are the proper people to get this. Please post an update(?) I actually got very excited to see the numbers come out right, and to find the emissions parts? Score!
Wow, Don and Scott. Fantastic work! Your materials are great for the Cougar hobby. I look forward to more of this educational material.
Kevin Marti I used to have a 70 XR7 convertible 351 Windsor health issues force me to sell I miss that car every day
Colors nice to
This is great. Thanks for doing it. It is a true benefit to the hobby. I am a Marti enthusiast and run the Thunderbird Registry. The Cougar Database visits my house too.
Awesome learn something everyday I never KNEW that about Ford COUGARS MUSTANGS AND SO ON MARTY REPORT GREATLY APPRECIATE I WAS AN OWNER OF A 68COUGAR XR7 HALF RESTORED IT IMORONE MIDNIGHT GREEN LOVED THAT CAR
Back in the 70's I had a 68 GT500KR, a 69 R-Code Mach-1, and a 73 351CJ Mach-1. Of all those the one I wish I still had was a 70 Cougar Eliminator with what I was told back then was a SCJ 428. It had leather seats, tilt, AC, 4 speed manual with Hurst shifter, and all the extras you could get on one. Fully loaded is what that car was. It was custom ordered by the owner of a Ford dealership in Houston. He didn't like the spoiler on the deck lid, so he had it delivered with a luggage rack on it. I bet there wasn't too many sold like that. It was a dream to drive. Sold it to my old girlfriends father when I went into the Army back in 1976. Yea, the Shelby was fast, but I still dream of driving that Cougar. I am jealous of yours on this video...;)
Lawrence Whitmire I'm not trying to start a fight I was not aware if you get AC with Super Cobra Jet
Your right Lee they didn’t. I was told back then by the first owner that it came without AC, but that he had it installed. I first questioned it too when I opened the hood & saw the Oil cooler & horn placements.
you have the best channel and JOB.!!!!
@don rush I think my 1971 still has the buck tag on it. I'll have to look. I've seen something that looks like that, but I have never paid much attention to it.
I love the video man keep up good work
I was surprised when, after popping off the wheel cover, he failed to note the presence of 31-Spline axles ... which are correct for a 428 CJ Cougar. [👍]
A friend had a -69 cab R-coded 428 CJ 4 speed with dragpack option . 1/10 built if I'm right ! I still have a copy of the build sheet .
I totally agree with stangcrazy89. You could of got a non-matching everything. But for just the fuel pump and passager window to be non original I think you got lucky. Or did you know more than you're telling us. I was impressed seeing the original mufflers. I would think the body has to be in near excellent shape, meaning the sheet metal. It looks like an resto.
What a cool find! A loaded Cougar 428 CJ ragtop...Unmolested no less...How many could be left?
A very nice find. Which does not look to be in the worst of shape either. For the thing to be up for 41 minutes and telling the seller you would give asking price site unseen im guessing it was a pretty good bargain?
Also a very nice informative video. I am a fan of marti reports my self!!!
Nice graphics!
Thanks boys, you made this very easy to follow. This comes as a big help as I am currently in the market for a 69 Shelby 428 SCJ. What else can I check to verify that it is indeed the SCJ with DragPack option?
To get more info on SCJ specifics check out the 428cobrajet.org Glad we could help! Don
I have seen build sheets behind the passenger seat back trim cover.
I had a 68 XR7/ GT with a block casting code of C7A-E. Paid 3000 in 2000 wish I had kept it
Yeah this was a classic… I knew it was a matching car.. other than it being raced.FE Motors Were Real Solid.. They just were. Especially The Hipo. 390 / 428 CJ/ SCJ . But extremely Underrated especially in their day.. As We Remember the 429 Actually appeared in 1968.. great car .. & Don Yer very special too… like I said you can tell That Motor never been pulled..
It's a 4 month waiting period for a Marti report.
By then the car has already sold.
Only the framed elite reports take months. The standard and deluxe report PDF versions are usually emailed in under 2 weeks: www.martiauto.com/itemselection.cfm?item=REP-2&selecteditem=yes
Cool, is it being restored?
this car is a beauty
Is anyone aware of the availability of a similar book for Torino's. Possibly titled "Torino's by the numbers"? That would be a huge help for me. Thank you.
I do not believe such a book currently exists. Kevin Marti (Marti Auto Works) wrote the ones for the Cougar and Mustang. He has a contract with Ford for access to all of the the production data for all 1967-2014 North American vehicle production. He does offer what he calls "Marti Reports" which will give you production data for a given vehicle: www.martiauto.com/martireports.cfm
What shown it was a 428 , FE engines all said 352 on block . only way I knew mine was a 390 and not a 360 was take it apart and check things.
I bought a 69 cougar it was a ford test car. It is pre eliminator I would like some help making sure all the numbers match correctly and I restore the car correctly as I am successful contour car builder but I was this to be as close to chow room as possible please help
Your best bet is to join the group over at www.ClassicCougarCommunity.com forums. A number of our staff frequent that forum as well. The guys on the forum would be happy to help steer you in the right direction.
You are killing me
Hello I just purchased a house and with the deal came a 69 cougar there is a cobra jet on the chain hanging there and the car has a 351 seller claims it is an original 428 cobra jet car but! not an eliminator can anyone tell me what this needs to be to be correct the vin in 9f91r516789 HELP!!
Hey don how much did u pay for the cougar
@4Y83Z120401
Thanks very much! How did you discover it so quickly? It's good to hear positive feedback from outside the Cougar circle. Feel free to pass it around to your T-Bird friends if you like!
West Coast Classic Cougar you really lucked out with this find this video makes me miss my 70 XR7 convertible 351 Windsor had to sell it due to health reasons I still dream about that car it was white with a blue interior gorgeous
68 numbers matching cougar for sale, 3g needs some things but runs great
U sold it??????
why would it be important for the fuel pump to match? fuel pumps wear out, can you refurbish a fuel pump such as those carters?
For concours restorations, every detail matters. Having the correct fuel pump is just another "original equipment" piece that the picky guys / judges will notice. The good news is, they can be refurbished. There is a rebuild kit, see here: www2.cougarpartscatalog.com/carterkit.html
There's also a good how-to article here: www.428cobrajet.org/how-to-fuel-pump
West Coast Classic Cougar aah, i see. i am not of that camp, i would rather drive my car.
We're doing some work to it here, fixing what needs attention (stay tuned for more videos with this car) and then it will be heading to a new owner, who will likely have it repainted and leave the rest mostly original.
West Coast Classic Cougar even got the original smog equipment in carburetor in the trunk God really loves you
the body looked great --not much rust-- hey matching #'s --- big engine = great buy
Dental mirror??
mine had 391 gear rear
Did it have a factory engine oil cooler in front of the radiator? 🤔
He finally sold it ? I been chasing that car for years ! . "Oh I will never sell it " story. . u lucked out
I HAVE A 69 OR A 70's COUGAR KLX THAT WAS LAST RAN 6 YEARS AGO, I NEED HELP FIXING IT. PLEASE COMMENT AND CONTACT ME SO I CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFO
We would recommend that you join the Cougar Forum where there are hundreds of other Cougar owners who will give help/how to advice: classiccougarcommunity.com/forum/. Our staff also posts answers on the forum as well.
Wow a 3.00 /1 Rear.. that whole car is original.. probably needs points & condenser.
I see a "W" so that's a 427?
I seen 1 go for 165 thousand that 1 should go for more sense it's a drop top.
I NEED HELP
Ah , so now I know where I can order fake tags and repro parts, so I can sell it as a “numbers matching” car.
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I just hate to say this but we had a 428 cougar in our junk yard back when I was in high school and we scrapped it. What a shame!
Dave Brittain here's hoping that the engine lives on somewhere
wow you sound act like a FBI about the match and the paper lmao !!!!..
00:30 For fuuuucks sake....careful with that door....it´s a fucking classic car !!!
I feel like numbers matching doesn't even matter if the car gets restored.
Well it really does matter as this tells a person how many parts were broken, swapped etc "the more it's thrashed the less the numbers match" always been my phrase.
3.00 gears in a 428 Cobra Jet who the hell would put pegleg gears like that in a muscle car? It should have at least come with 3.50 gears
Lorenzo Maximo maybe the original owner wanted to use it like as a car instead of a race machine
@@leejackson4724 Or it had AC.
Having a fake date code put on ? To fake originality?
No fake date code only replacing lost engine tag.
wtf does it matter if it has matching numbers
As these cars become more collectible & rare, it definitely matters and makes the car more valuable if it has all its original components.
@@WestCoastClassicCougar what would the date "window" be in order for components to be considered numbers matching? From watching the video at first,the window seemed to be within a month of the car bein built....not to exceed the build date,which makes sense. THEN,you dated the smog pump(?) as Nov. 21,1968 and noted it was within that window?
@@M4MED86 Some components like smog parts, were manufactured less often. A good place to find out this information is the concoursmustang forum. Free to join, tons of content and lots of experts over there.
Great video except the robotic female voice. Cold emotionless and not human... It sounds like my ex telling me to send money to her account on payday
Dumb place to put the build sheet
All nice about numbers matching but who cares about the numbers, you drive the drivetrain and not the numbers. If you want to build a vehicle for yourself then why limit yourself with this OEM crap? If it's a rotisserie resto with no planned street time in the future at all, and only restore it to keep it undriven in a bubble, then go for it. These kind of videos are only for the investors, not car guys. Good for preserving history but I'd never buy a numbers matching vehicle because it is irrelevant if you want to actually drive the car. Buy a well built hot rod instead.
@butchtropic I have lately seen articles where they now recommend that if you own a rare numbers matching car and you want to drive it, that you remove the original engine and store it to preserve it. You then buy a crate motor to install in the car for driving.