You have a passion for preservation. It's a trait of yours, not just an interest . As an old guy, a long time career counselor , i love to see it when a person is able to combine their passion with their work. Very nice video too!
When I was a car hauler I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw her in her dock. Seeing her was magnificent. I got to stand near the fence where she was moored.
Francis Gibbs would be considered "on the spectrum" The interiors on the "Big U" were all aluminum and very sterile compared to the SS France, Andrea Doria, Et al. She was fast and fireproof.
I think of her impending fate and a little piece of me dies inside. She endured three decades forgotten and neglected only to now be intentionally sunk. Shameful.
Yeah, there was a real estate company partners with another company that was going to turn it into a complex. That's what one of the last pictures was. I'm not sure what happened to that. It seems like a pretty promising deal... There's a whole lot more to the story than the video portrayed, United States contract agreement with 82 penn Westinghouse owns the pier and was documentation that the rent would stay the same and there wasn't a duration Contingency meaning the ss United States was able to stay there as long as she wished.. idk it just doesn't seem fair in a lot of ways but I think putting her on 3-5 acres of land would be the most cost effective way to keep her top side
This has always been teetering on the edge for years. Awesome ship that was just not quite iconic enough for the public at large to pony up the dough. Ironically, it’s only the ships that sink that we remember.
What an incredible episode - thank you for telling the ship's story! It's sad to see her fate, but you've given her memory a chance to stay alive. Thank you as always ~ Chuck. P.S. And if I had my choice of 3 days on this ship, or going through the hassle that airline travel has become, I'll take this ship in her glory every time. WYR: United States for both
Unfortunately, when they gutted her interiors they destroyed her ties to her glory days. She's been a dead empty hulk since, almost like an unburied corpse. The kindest thing they can do for her now is to give her a proper burial. Sad to lose her, but shes been gone for decades. Oh, and I would definitely choose the Normandy. Her interiors were astounding and nothing ever came close.
Great video Jay, don't hurt to have some alternative transportation history. Don't see the ship being preserved, unfortunately the current crop of billionaires just is not into preserving history.
@@What.its.like. Thinking about the USS battleship Texas it was close to getting cut for scrap but a private foundation was set up and a dedicated berth space set up and donations solicited to preserve the ship, and a few years ago they dry docked it for a period to do maintenance and re coat the bottom for rust prevention and is looking better now, If the locals had the initiative to do the same thing the ship could be saved.
Sad to see her go but ocean-going ships don't last forever. Even the museum ships have a tough time of it and generally take some serious government funding to survive. There was a time where she could have and should have been saved but that was long ago. Farewell to her and Godspeed her on her last journey. Glad you covered her in this episode because she's special but I hope you don't stray away from cars too much in the future.
Reefing her is better than the scrap yard! She will be home to ocean life attracting divers to see her and being an economic driver for Oscloka Florida. In fact, she will outlive all of us!
16:35. I had to think a minute before I could figure out what carrier you were talking about. It’s the USS Oriskany, pronounced “or-RISS-kuh-nee. I think “O’Canary” is a giant Irish songbird. 😅. Temu is “Tee-moo” btw. 😉
=) I wish someone would just buy 3-5 acres and just beach her habitat for humanity could come from all over the world they could turn it into a big deal Norfolk Washington DC New York City would be great places
I am torn between the Normandie and SS United States for the first one. The second one torn between Queen Mary and SS United States. If I was a Billionare I would've bought the ship and donated it as a park/meuseum. Problem is these converted ship hotels don't do well financially However maybe rebuilding it into a functional ship again would be good then having the Navy own it. Maybe once a year kinda thing, similar to keeping a classic car for special occasions. Keeping the miles off of the restored or survivor car to preserve it. Well I will say a reef is better than taking her to a scrap yard. At least divers will be able to go visit her until she rots away. Very sad to see her go, and hopefully we will see an oceanliner renaissance. Trains have slowly been coming back in the US, and already have in other countries. The hope is with remote work digital nomads. People may want to cross oceans at a slower pace and avoid jet lag. I doubt if it ever happens, ships will be chasing the blue ribband. They will be more cruiseship like similar to the only oceanliner built in the 21st century Queen Mary 2. She is my favorite modern ship for a reason. Unlike cruiseships built to impress and be scrapped after 20 years the QE2 was built to still serve as a functional, safe, and fast Transantlantic liner. She was designed to last 50 years I have read.
WYR: All of them. I love ships too much to choose one. Nautical miles is the measurement for distance, but the measurement for speed is knots. You either misspoke or had the wrong term in the script. The S.S. United States should be turned into anything BUT a coral reef.
Well, this was different! I know literally nothing about ships. I've been on the Queen Mary (while it was being restored) and I went on a 5 day cruise. So I have no weird stories or info...at all. That said, you did a great job of putting this together! Very interesting! WYR= It would have been cool to take a trip on any of those ships at least once. About the fate of the ship: it sure looks like restoring her, and keeping her restored, would be just a gigantic money pit. Rich people stay rich by not squandering their money. Making an artificial reef would at least help more than just scrapping it.
Excellent job Jayman!! I admire your dedication to research Dude! And sometimes your pronunciation cracks me up! Anyway, you know I'm a fan!!! WYR: 1, Mauretania, because I have a thing for Edwardian era liners. 2. Normandie, just because! I toured the Queen Mary years ago, and found the experience nice, but a bit underwhelming. I totally recommend touring the SS Keewatin, in Kingston, Ontario. It is the only Edwardian era passenger ship (though not trans-atlantic) still in existence. (I believe the SS Nomadic is a tender) Her maiden voyage was in 1907. She was moored in Douglas, MI from 1967 to 2012, which is where I toured her (several times). Anyway, about the SS United States, yes, I share your pain over her final fate, and it would be fantastic for her to find a savior, but I have my doubts. Again, stellar job on this one Jay, especially when it's not something typically in your wheelhouse!
Jay, a little bit of history from near your home. Babcock & Wilcox, the maker of the boilers, later went into making nuclear reactors. B & W made the reactors for Three Mile Island.
Didnt want to be a lawyer, please get the facts straight. He wanted to do exactly what he did build ships. I got the facts from " A Man and his Ship by Steven Ujifusa and SS United States by Rindfleish/ Bauer and Daywalt, other than the misstatement about Gibbs you did quite well. Thank you!
Thanks for this piece of American history. I wonder if the company shared a percentage of its profits with the US government (besides income tax) commensurate with the subsidies it was given to build the ship. I assume it was never used as a troop ship.
Although I'm not so up on ocean liners it is still interesting to hear about them. It would be good to bring the SS United States to land then treat it the same way as the Queen Mary. I am also interested in the Titanic sister ships Olympic & Britainic.
The Olympic was the only one of the three to survive ( had plenty of accidents but was eventually scrapped) Britannic hit a mine and sunk in shallow water but sunk in about 20 minutes because one of the water tight doors didn't close also the captain was going to try and beach the ship beings he was close to shore. He never gave the order to abandon ship. People started abandoning ship, and a couple of the life boats got sucked into the propellers. Which is how most people on that ship died, ironically the ratio of survivors is highly on Britannic despite it sinking in less time.
I was excited about saving the ship in the early 2000s. It seemed me it had to be a government ship. The President's yacht or a floating State Department Embassy etc. However building a new identical ship would likely cost less than restoration of the existing, The ship is not really attractive with no grand interiors, no stabilizers, and reportedly sever vibrations near the stern. It should be scrapped and recycled.
Sad to see an iconic ship going to be sunk.. I think its fate was sealed once its asbestos was removed..it was totally gutted since..to refurbish it needs an astronomical amount of money..in many cases of ships like this most are scrap in the end because the costs involved..the bigger it is the more you need investment..40 years ago it may have chance..
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awesome !
You have a passion for preservation.
It's a trait of yours, not just an interest .
As an old guy, a long time career counselor , i love to see it when a person is able to combine their passion with their work.
Very nice video too!
When I was a car hauler I couldn't believe what I was seeing when I saw her in her dock. Seeing her was magnificent. I got to stand near the fence where she was moored.
Well this is a change. Thoroughly enjoyed it thank you for posting this
=) something different
Those pesky airplanes. I think, today spending time on that ship would be more relaxing than being shoved into an aluminum tube and get there faster.
Francis Gibbs would be considered "on the spectrum" The interiors on the "Big U" were all aluminum and very sterile compared to the SS France, Andrea Doria, Et al. She was fast and fireproof.
I think of her impending fate and a little piece of me dies inside. She endured three decades forgotten and neglected only to now be intentionally sunk. Shameful.
Yeah, there was a real estate company partners with another company that was going to turn it into a complex. That's what one of the last pictures was. I'm not sure what happened to that. It seems like a pretty promising deal...
There's a whole lot more to the story than the video portrayed, United States contract agreement with 82 penn Westinghouse owns the pier and was documentation that the rent would stay the same and there wasn't a duration Contingency meaning the ss United States was able to stay there as long as she wished.. idk it just doesn't seem fair in a lot of ways but I think putting her on 3-5 acres of land would be the most cost effective way to keep her top side
@@VitriolicThunder when I heard they were going to sink her my heart sank too.
This has always been teetering on the edge for years. Awesome ship that was just not quite iconic enough for the public at large to pony up the dough. Ironically, it’s only the ships that sink that we remember.
What an incredible episode - thank you for telling the ship's story! It's sad to see her fate, but you've given her memory a chance to stay alive. Thank you as always ~ Chuck. P.S. And if I had my choice of 3 days on this ship, or going through the hassle that airline travel has become, I'll take this ship in her glory every time. WYR: United States for both
Unfortunately, when they gutted her interiors they destroyed her ties to her glory days. She's been a dead empty hulk since, almost like an unburied corpse. The kindest thing they can do for her now is to give her a proper burial. Sad to lose her, but shes been gone for decades. Oh, and I would definitely choose the Normandy. Her interiors were astounding and nothing ever came close.
Normandie has a very tragic ending as well We marry in the SS United States are the only two liners of those that are still alive
United States was a speedy troop ship that could be converted into an ocean liner. Normandie was a floating work of art.
I totally agree it was super sad what happened to normandie
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Great video Jay, don't hurt to have some alternative transportation history. Don't see the ship being preserved, unfortunately the current crop of billionaires just is not into preserving history.
Yeah I can think of many uses for it that's a lot of real estate
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@@What.its.like. Thinking about the USS battleship Texas it was close to getting cut for scrap but a private foundation was set up and a dedicated berth space set up and donations solicited to preserve the ship, and a few years ago they dry docked it for a period to do maintenance and re coat the bottom for rust prevention and is looking better now, If the locals had the initiative to do the same thing the ship could be saved.
Sad to see her go but ocean-going ships don't last forever. Even the museum ships have a tough time of it and generally take some serious government funding to survive. There was a time where she could have and should have been saved but that was long ago. Farewell to her and Godspeed her on her last journey.
Glad you covered her in this episode because she's special but I hope you don't stray away from cars too much in the future.
Yeah most definitely =)
I just wanted to do something a little off topic, this channel will always be the off the beaten path car channel =)
I've been on the Queen Mary for a tour and it's a very cool ship. I wouldn't mind sailing on the S.S. United States.
Awesome
I'd love to go on the queen Mary eventually
Reefing her is better than the scrap yard! She will be home to ocean life attracting divers to see her and being an economic driver for Oscloka Florida. In fact, she will outlive all of us!
16:35. I had to think a minute before I could figure out what carrier you were talking about. It’s the USS Oriskany, pronounced “or-RISS-kuh-nee. I think “O’Canary” is a giant Irish songbird. 😅. Temu is “Tee-moo” btw. 😉
Love your sentiments thanks for your work i hope they save her too
=) I wish someone would just buy 3-5 acres and just beach her habitat for humanity could come from all over the world they could turn it into a big deal Norfolk Washington DC New York City would be great places
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Don't think I'd travel on any of them .
Too much asbestos..
I am torn between the Normandie and SS United States for the first one. The second one torn between Queen Mary and SS United States.
If I was a Billionare I would've bought the ship and donated it as a park/meuseum. Problem is these converted ship hotels don't do well financially However maybe rebuilding it into a functional ship again would be good then having the Navy own it. Maybe once a year kinda thing, similar to keeping a classic car for special occasions. Keeping the miles off of the restored or survivor car to preserve it.
Well I will say a reef is better than taking her to a scrap yard. At least divers will be able to go visit her until she rots away. Very sad to see her go, and hopefully we will see an oceanliner renaissance. Trains have slowly been coming back in the US, and already have in other countries.
The hope is with remote work digital nomads. People may want to cross oceans at a slower pace and avoid jet lag. I doubt if it ever happens, ships will be chasing the blue ribband. They will be more cruiseship like similar to the only oceanliner built in the 21st century Queen Mary 2. She is my favorite modern ship for a reason. Unlike cruiseships built to impress and be scrapped after 20 years the QE2 was built to still serve as a functional, safe, and fast Transantlantic liner. She was designed to last 50 years I have read.
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Thank you I wish they save her you know it's never too late
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Thanks Jay! I am an ocean liner nerd, As well as a car "nerd" so am digging this episode as well!
WYR: All of them. I love ships too much to choose one.
Nautical miles is the measurement for distance, but the measurement for speed is knots. You either misspoke or had the wrong term in the script. The S.S. United States should be turned into anything BUT a coral reef.
Yes I miss spoke thank you so much for catching that kilometers is what I said first lol
@What.its.like. I joined the premiere after that.
No that happened I caught it afterwards and fixed it I proof these but somethings get missed
@What.its.like. Nobody's perfect, and anyone who claims to be is a terrible liar.
I like your idea, Jay. Seem doable compared to making it an operating liner again.
It’s a crime to sink a piece of history for fishes to play in.
Totally agree
Well, this was different! I know literally nothing about ships. I've been on the Queen Mary (while it was being restored) and I went on a 5 day cruise. So I have no weird stories or info...at all. That said, you did a great job of putting this together! Very interesting! WYR= It would have been cool to take a trip on any of those ships at least once. About the fate of the ship: it sure looks like restoring her, and keeping her restored, would be just a gigantic money pit. Rich people stay rich by not squandering their money. Making an artificial reef would at least help more than just scrapping it.
Excellent job Jayman!! I admire your dedication to research Dude! And sometimes your pronunciation cracks me up! Anyway, you know I'm a fan!!! WYR: 1, Mauretania, because I have a thing for Edwardian era liners. 2. Normandie, just because! I toured the Queen Mary years ago, and found the experience nice, but a bit underwhelming. I totally recommend touring the SS Keewatin, in Kingston, Ontario. It is the only Edwardian era passenger ship (though not trans-atlantic) still in existence. (I believe the SS Nomadic is a tender) Her maiden voyage was in 1907. She was moored in Douglas, MI from 1967 to 2012, which is where I toured her (several times). Anyway, about the SS United States, yes, I share your pain over her final fate, and it would be fantastic for her to find a savior, but I have my doubts. Again, stellar job on this one Jay, especially when it's not something typically in your wheelhouse!
I see 20,000 Chrysler Imperials... the big fat ones
Jay, a little bit of history from near your home. Babcock & Wilcox, the maker of the boilers, later went into making nuclear reactors. B & W made the reactors for Three Mile Island.
That's awesome information
Nearly 50 mph? Wow!
I know right
Didnt want to be a lawyer, please get the facts straight. He wanted to do exactly what he did build ships. I got the facts from " A Man and his Ship by Steven Ujifusa and SS United States by Rindfleish/ Bauer and Daywalt, other than the misstatement about Gibbs you did quite well. Thank you!
knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/steven-ujifusa-on-william-francis-gibbs-and-his-ships/#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20time%20when,profession%20I%20can't%20stand.
Thanks for this piece of American history. I wonder if the company shared a percentage of its profits with the US government (besides income tax) commensurate with the subsidies it was given to build the ship. I assume it was never used as a troop ship.
Although I'm not so up on ocean liners it is still interesting to hear about them. It would be good to bring the SS United States to land then treat it the same way as the Queen Mary. I am also interested in the Titanic sister ships Olympic & Britainic.
The Olympic was the only one of the three to survive ( had plenty of accidents but was eventually scrapped) Britannic hit a mine and sunk in shallow water but sunk in about 20 minutes because one of the water tight doors didn't close also the captain was going to try and beach the ship beings he was close to shore. He never gave the order to abandon ship. People started abandoning ship, and a couple of the life boats got sucked into the propellers. Which is how most people on that ship died, ironically the ratio of survivors is highly on Britannic despite it sinking in less time.
I was excited about saving the ship in the early 2000s. It seemed me it had to be a government ship. The President's yacht or a floating State Department Embassy etc. However building a new identical ship would likely cost less than restoration of the existing, The ship is not really attractive with no grand interiors, no stabilizers, and reportedly sever vibrations near the stern. It should be scrapped and recycled.
Sad to see an iconic ship going to be sunk..
I think its fate was sealed once its asbestos was removed..it was totally gutted since..to refurbish it needs an astronomical amount of money..in many cases of ships like this most are scrap in the end because the costs involved..the bigger it is the more you need investment..40 years ago it may have chance..
It's too far gone to be saved. Last chance for that was in the 1970s.
Maybe.. a couple years back queen Mary was in pretty rough shape as well