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There are very few ocean liners in existence that has survived going down in infamy or the scrap yard as iconic as the RMS Queen Mary. From her start as the fastest liner of the time to her incredible war service, it only made sense to save her at the end of her long career or sailing. The city of Long Beach, California had proudly kept her as a tourist attraction and hotel since the 1960's but as I discover, never at a profit. Join me today as I look into the rich, yet troubled past for this incredible liner and the events that lead to her ultimate bankruptcy and uncertain future...
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My Dad was on the Queen Mary in WWII and I took him out to see the ship as a surprise in 1989 when we were in California for a football game and weekend. His jaw dropped when he saw the ship once again! We walked around the decks of the ship for some time and his narration of conditions aboard the ship during the war were in stark contrast to the tourists and beautiful fall afternoon. The Queen Mary represents a great deal of history and we must save it for future generations to see!
Lead the way, we'll be right behind.
LETS SAVE THIS SHIP!
Okay....who is going to pay for it? You? Just chip in $200 every month from taxes?
@@sorsorsor11 and that's the crux: too much emotion, with no commensurate money. and when the funding wanes, we're back to this. throwing good money after the bad.
the problem is nobody wants to see it
The City of Long Beach just announced that they have regain control of the Queen Mary for the first time in 40 years. Additionally, "In addition to gaining control of the Queen Mary itself, the city also regained control of the surrounding property, which includes 40 acres of parks, cruise terminals and parking lots."
So there is hope...at least hope the Queen Mary has a chance...maybe they can find some developers, offer tax incentives or something, to raise the funds to save the ship and refurbish the surrounding area they now control.
Somehow I doubt the residents of the city will be so excited about it when their taxes have to rise considerably to cover the hundreds of millions of dollars for repairs and investment needed to keep the ship in existence, especially coming out of a pandemic.
Oh geez, like California is being run well. Lots of budgetary issues there, the future for the Queen Mary can't possibly be what we'd all like for it to be.
@@fireshorts5789 better than sending millions of our dollars overseas to educate other nations on gender theory!
@@yomammasboo713 yeah, I'm sure Long Beach residents will be all over this project when you frame it like that. This is about more than just a ship, its about owning the libs!
My Grandmother took the Queen Mary to move to the USA and my family and I ironically grew up in Long Beach. Not only is this ship a Long Beach icon, but it is also an integral part of my childhood and memories. Really wishing the best for this ship
@Noone Cares Lmfao
Not from Long Beach CA, but I think the ship is a So Cal icon. My high school used to have formal dances at the Queen Mary in the early 2000s.
My grandma was a warbride as well. I don't remember much of it, but I've been to the ship (as a child), so 3 generations of my family have stepped foot on it.
Ttyy
I got married at a roof top restaurant next to the Queen Mary, she blew her horn during our vows 😂💓. Hoping something can be done to save it.
She did what? Is she pretty? If she is you're lucky!
I’d love to see an Abandoned of the Salton Sea, an entire resort town close to Palm Springs that’s lost to the desert.
YES!!!
Yeah and Slab City/Salvation Mountain as well.
Tom Explores LA did a fantastic video on it a while back!
That area of the desert like the Coachella valley Indio Palm springs Salton Sea would be pretty cool
I live down here (Coachella valley) , it looks beautiful, but it's a mess, and in my 43 years they keep talking about saving it and then doing nothing. I don't know if there is an easy solution to the salton sea. It's sad but one of human kines big failures
Imagine going to a car meet and seeing a giant boat in the background
thatd be pretty sweet for pics honestly lol
She's a ship!
@@TheMrPeteChannel ^^ She sure is!
I seriously think a car show would be an amazing idea!
They used to host JCCS (Japanese classic car show) there a couple years ago
she'll fit in just fine with the hellcat section
I'm praying that this magnificent ship will be spared/saved. I was actually thinking about visiting this ship in the near future. I am a huge ship fanatic, and this would be perfect for me.
Same! Ever since I found out about the Queen, I have it on my list to see when I make it to California. What a beautiful piece of history, I hope you will be able to visit/tour Her some day ☮️
@@ErintheLiLBucK I'm the same way. I'm from Louisiana, and the USS KIDD (Battleship) is docked in the harbor righ under the Mississippi River Bridge. I wen there when I was in Cub Scouts when I was kId, and loved it. I was planning on going on a cruise in May of 2022. However, I recently lost my job back in April, so I've had to really rethink finances, all while looking for a new job. So, I am post poing my cruise, but would like to stay onboard the Queen Mary for about four days. I think that little trip will be much cheaper than what I would spend on a cruise.
@Rich H That's because prayer doesn't work. Prayer is the most useless thing a person can do. Hard work and determination does.
It is fine. The City of Long Beach owns it. It is also a registered landmark. It just needs to be better maintained and kept up
@Rich H it will never be scrapped. It’s a national historic landmark
Revisiting in 2024, the Queen Mary got saved by Long Beech city council
I visited just this weekend! Definitely needs lots of repairs but she is still breathtaking!
Wonderful video! This beautiful ship is one of a kind and an important piece of history, not just for Britain, but for the world. Let's save the Queen Mary!
Thanks Alex! Keep the fight going to raise awareness!
I just want to say f in the chat for the queen mary
And the city of Long Beach
Speak of the devil. Look who's here. :)
Save the SS United States
My grandmother came to the States as a war bride from England after WWII. The transport ship that brought she and my uncle home to live in the US was the Queen Mary, when she was still painted as the Grey Ghost. I exist as a direct result of this ship. I truly hope they save her.
My great grandparents met on the Grey Ghost, him a supply officer and her an army nurse. I exist because of the Queen Mary too!
You honestly think granny couldn't have come over on a different ship?
@@MrSvenovitch Their grandmother and uncle are likely human. Most humans use a communication system called language. It is possible that Kristin is not guessing which ship they came back on, but instead learned which ship via an exchange of words with other humans.
That's a great story! My Grandfather sailed on the QM from NY to London as a Private in WW2! I was able to visit her in Long Beach! He came back on a Liberty ship and told the story of how they hit bad weather and everyone became sea sick!
nope. they have plans to nuke it in august
I had no idea it was in such bad shape. I didn't even think about how the pandemic effected it. Hopefully she survives somehow, I'd love to visit one day.
Shell be fine, shes gone through multiple bankruptcies
It's not as bad as rumors make it out to be. Yes it needs lots of attention, especially to stop water intrusion from the upper decks. But it's not like the Russian sub, which is totaled.
I think they need to do what they are doign with Texas. MOVE her elsewhere. Both ironically have the same problem. poor location
She's been in horrible shape, through all the Dark Harbors (we just never got to see with the lights off). She's survived bankruptcies a plenty too.
@@LakeNipissing She is pretty bad. There is A LOT of work that needs to be done.
This is so sad 😭. My mother and I left Southampton England on March 13, 1945 (I was 11 months old) to come to America. My mother was a British War Bride and we were moving to America to be with my father. The Queen Mary is part of my family history as well as being so iconic. I 🙏🏼 that a miracle will happen to save her.
Staying at the Queen Mary 3 years ago was one of the most memorable nights of my life. I am so sad to see this.
Did you see any ghosts?
I used to go there a kid in the early 2000's and have gone to every dark harbor event they had. Sad to see this video.
@ Carla F
Me too and your husband still doesn't know.
@David Wang we were there for a cruise and a week afterwards to San Diego. The Queen Mary was the high light of the trip.
We stayed on the ship in 2000. Quite a highlight of the trip.
As a Brit who spent part of my honeymoon on there in 2013, I hope she's saved.
Me too. Even in her decline she still looks spectacular, and not many ships can do that.
saved for what ... ? are you serious ... ?
@@jgal1231 bruh what?
@@jgal1231 she's the last ship of that era around. She is the symbol of an era, of a history, of a generation, of War, of power, of time.
as someone born and raised in longbeach, I hope they get rid of it. It's an eye sore and in almost 30 years of living here, I've only been there once, for school, because I didn't want to go again. Although congrats on finding someone who loves you enough to be talked into going here for a honeymoon. Hold on to her for as long as you can, because that woman HAS to love you.
This is the one time that Disney SHOULD have been allowed to develop a park.
The city seriously shot themselves in the foot when they rejected the park proposal.
lol
I just said this myself. More dumb decisions in California.
All environmental bs from City of Long Beach they loss millions because of their 5 ft of sea removal,... I worked at Imagineering when they were doing this project
And Disney wasn’t going to play their games . Long Beach thought they had Disney over a barrel guess not who’s in trouble now.
Sad the truth of Long Beach politics are told just what they want released.
@@mariablackwell3249 So true. California is a mess.
This could be a case for Government intervention; A full refurb and repair program would create hundreds of local jobs for the construction and engineering industries, as long as contracts were awarded on that basis. The trickle-down from that would be significant, right down to the hot-dog stand on the corner.. A mini Roosevelt's New Deal.
As a native to Long Beach, I can ABSOLUTLY say that the Queen Mary is very beloved. And this is evidenced by how many companies and organizations are so desperate to save it. It simply is on it's own, out of the way of any sort of other tourist hot spot, or other recreational activities. You have to dedicate a day to go there, especially if you have moved to another part of Southern California. So, as a tourist destination, it is very neat, but on its own, witch makes it hard for people to visit when there are so many other things to do and see in LA or OC. For a for a tourist trip of only a few days to a week, it's very low on the list.
To give you an idea just how on it's own it is: you can spot it from the air immediately, not just because of it's distinctive size and shape, but also because there isn't anything around to crowd or obstruct it.
They're only saving it because of the name, it's not worth it. Look at the United States ship its been bought and sold so many times. 200 million dollars is just an estimate. Guarantee you that price will shoot up once restoration begins.
@@armandoortiz9114 Kinda sad that she is just left (SS United States) there just hanging waiting for a restoration. I’ve always wondered why didn’t they just scrap her instead of waiting for renovations that takes years to come
because of the name.
The USS Iowa is nearby and the cruise ship terminals....Nothing in S. CA is "alone with nothing around"
RMS Queen Mary: **future status in doubt**
SS United States: “First time?”
Very true!
SS United States is Aluminum hulled.
I can only imagine the steal hull of this boat.
@@Torsee a large portion of the Big U's superstructure is aluminum to save weight but her hull is steel
There are vids on the tube having a look inside (United States).. it's literally pristine inside (minus the fittings of course). A striking contrast to the outside.
No kidding. I learned about the SSUS' plight while visiting the Queen Mary as a ten-year-old, and now not only is the SS United States not saved, but now the Queen Mary's in a bad way too.
@@LaBruxinha
Sad isn’t it.
Guess we keep the photographs and videos.
If this ship is scrapped then imma rip my hair out
That will solve it! Brilliant!
The ship is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. There's zero way it gets scrapped. Maybe a museum will take over at some point.
@@alexhousakos The ship is listed... lol... nautical humor
In retrospect I should have seen it coming. And I work in the shipping industry so it kinda comes out naturally
Are you Bald ?
I need some eccentric billionaire who's obsessed with art deco restoration to buy this ship and bring it back to its former glory.
Exactly what this ship needs.
See, this is why it'd be fun to be a billionaire. Buy it cheap, partner with the city, give it an endowment, and just make it a proper museum ship, as it should be.
No more of the tacky commericialism. Some things should exist for the public good & remind us of our history.
@@neildecker3061 if you tried to save this ship, you wouldnt be a billionaire very long.
Not going to happen with all the federal and state tax increases to billionaires
@@averagejoe9040 Bloomberg could spare 500 million and not even know he spent it.
I did an overnight haunted tour on the Queen Mary in 2015, and yeah it was definitely in rough shape. There was so much water inside the engine room that we had to walk on boards to go over it
@Noone Cares they're just sharing their experience with the current state of the ship
I’d love to see a “Cancelled” video about Miapolis, it was going to be the tallest building in the world but was never built because of the Great Recession.
That’s the abandoned series
@@DefinitelySpirit No, that's the cancelled series. As it was never started in the first place in order to be abandoned
The Miapolis skyscraper looks horrendous and out of place. Good thing it was never built.
that was the great DEPRESSION, much worse than recession.
@@jimcrawford5039 No it wasn't. Do you research.. The tower was proposed and designed in the early 2000s.
You seriously think that in the 1930s, when the tallest building was the Empire State Building at 380m, someone was going to build a skyscraper that was 600m taller than that? Lol. Engineering wasn't advanced enough for that yet.
Me like an hour before this vid was posted: “I wish Jake would post another video on ships soon.”
Jake: WHOMST HAS AWOKEN THE ANCIENT ONE?
That's a good one
I saw this and had to come see. The ships come so far, I hope she survives. I actually stayed aboard her a couple years back, it really put into perspective the grandeur of ocean liners back then.
Yesss, I agree. I went on the ship when I was around 6 and I had a blast. Even now, I still have a spot for her in my heart. I might cry if she gets scrapped or sinks.
She should start an only fans. She old, but still pretty.
GOD SAVE THE RMS QUEEN MARY!
@@areyoujelton Shut up. Not funny. 🤣 -_-
I hope it gets fucking scrapped rust bucket
There’s a lot that can be tied in here with the history of Long Beach and the reasons why in many ways, the non-industrial economic prosperity of adjacent coastal enclaves like Rancho Palos Verdes and Huntington Beach has been denied to Long Beach due to systemic and structural injustices.
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@@AnalAArhlm hes only at 20 something likes, give it some time
@Dj Wolf any time now...
I could swear I've started seeing Tay comment on lots of channels I watch. D. Demuro for sure.
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As a local who has been here once, this is quite horrific. Such a beautiful piece of history being harmed like this is just awful.
Same here
There in lies the problem. You've only been there once. It's really not that engaging beyond a single visit. Not enough tourists put it on their list.
@@billl1127 yeah if only the plans weren't ruined. Even so, this ship will probably still stand since so many locals might call for strange preservation ideas like a museum or something. The hotel may have to be gutted for this ship to survive.
This whole situation is a little misleading to people who just hear about. The city of Long Beach owns the ship. The people who filed for bankruptcy was only the company that maintains the ship, correct me if I'm wrong.
@@michaeldoesarts well hopefully LB does something...
What a shame. I was born in Long Beach and went several times as a young kid in the 80’s. My dad was a waiter when he was in high school in the the early 70’s. It was always a part of the lives of people in Long Beach. It would be like loosing a family member. It was heart breaking to see the Spruce goose go can’t let it happen to this beautiful ship
and half a billion dollars to repair ?
Long Beach has a habit of doing that, they bulldozed the Pike which I remember being about the last classic vintage Coney-Island like place on the West Coast. I got to go there a few times as a kid. And I remember one time seeing an unusual two man prog rock group called, "Grandma" that consisted of a drummer with a huge set with a double-bass kit and tympanies and multi-tiered cymbals, and a bass player who had the four strings on his bass split up between two amps, one for the bass parts and the upper strings for melodies-- they were really great. The Pike even had a hall of mirrors, as well as the Cyclone Racer wooden coaster, and a classic Laff-in-the-Dark style dark ride, with a pair of truly creepy laughing automatons up above the entrance. The place was getting kind of run down though, and ultimately what probably killed it off was the discovery when in the Laff-in-the-Dark ride, one of the dummies arms fell off and a human skeleton was found to be inside. I think the area now is the parking lot for the convention center.
It really is a shame. My cousin was married on the Queen Mary in 1979 and my family were regular visitors in the 1960s and 1970s. I loved seeing the propeller shaft through that window they added. It was great -- brass and polished hardwood, Art Deco furnishings, large spaces, etc. I always loved visiting it. It was a fair drive from our home in the San Gabriel Valley, but it was always worth it.
@@JimBo-ho8qw must've been very late 60s then as they where still doing the conversion in 1969
My father returned from WW2 to America on the Queen Mary in 1946.
Things like this remind me of just how much money others have to the point of being dumb. I mean take into account someone like bill gates he could fix this ship 10 times and never miss the money.
This is capitalism we're talking about, the US literally has more empty homes than homeless people, it's harder to find things that aren't absurd than those that are
@@boozecruiser no, that’s because we build houses faster
@@cloudcraft7153 um...no...
It always amazes me how someone thinks they have the right to tell someone how they should spend THIER MONEY. It's not your money. You didn't earn it. You control your money. They control theirs.
@@johnfranklin5277 You're a fucking idiot pure and simple. The people with power are using it against you so you can use yours. Gates is buying up huge swathes of land so the price of food goes through the fucking roof.
Nooooo not the queen mary. I’m from LongBeach and it’s always nice to go to the pike and have a picnic by the light house and look over and see the queen 😍
yup, cool to look at, but i've never spent money to have anything to do with it. I believe that's the problem
@@Wesley-rn7oc definitely never paid to get in for sure I did get to go inside with my job as a vender and it was beautiful it’s a shame it’s not doing well tho. My husband’s grandmother came to this country on the queen so I thought that was pretty cool
@@Periwinkle_Pinkk That is really cool! Seeing this situation for the first time, I do wonder if returning the Queen Mary to a sailing Cruise Liner again would be the easiest solution. It would be expensive I imagine.
@@brad5426 Hehe: no. That'll never happen again unfortunately. Way too expensive and even if someone were somehow able to scrape the funds together to do so, Long Beach, when they bought her from Cunard, did so under the condition that she never sail under her own power again.
What? Visiting the Queen Mary has been on my bucket list for years 😭
Hurry before it sinks.
Don't get your hopes up too high bruv.
It surprises me to see so many people know this ship
@Wesley do you always have to be that one Guy over there
@@hevendor958 it is my main purpose in life
I love the Queen. As a resident of Long Beach, I have spent both Halloween and New Years Eve on her. I’ve dined at Sir Winston’s several times and had drinks at the gorgeous Art Deco bar. It’s a beautiful ship, despite the needed repairs. And so full of history-Churchill and FDR met on her decks during WW2. She must be saved.
I live in Long Beach too. Would love to stay a night Nd have some drinks on the Queen if she opens up!
that ship haunted too
I went on the Disney-era ghost tour, circa 1990, on a family vacation. My brother and I were about 9 & 7. It was GENUINELY terrifying. My entire family talks about it to this day. I remember nearly every moment viscerally.
I lived by the queen Mary in Long Beach for a long time. The repairs they did to fix queen Mary was poorly done, as well as they had a movie theater for a spongebob ride, and I was the only one in it when I went. It’s sad to see it’s disarray
I remember when I went in 2018-19, a lot of the windows and some doors were boarded up with wood. It’s sad to see what happened to it, but I’m not too surprised with its bankruptcy
I imagine most of the repairs were cosmetic. Pretty sure that ship will never be in sailing condition ever again.
@@ericp1139 are you at all worried of her getting sold for scrap, because i'm rolling with the notion that this will sadly be her fate.
I mean aquitania was scrapped due to how poor her condition was due to being do old. A freaking piano fell through the cieling of one of her dining rooms
@@acenosce3334 at this point, I don’t see any other route besides getting scrapped. Nobody is pitching half a billion dollars to fix that ship up. Ships were never meant to be permanent fixtures; the ocean eventually takes everything away.
@@ericp1139 Goes to show that nobody cares about her anymore. no longer relevant. She's going to be lost forever at this point and that will be the reality we'll be forced to accept.
It's all driven by profit. her value as scrap iron is far greater than her historical value.
I hope you can cope with it if that is announced.
Damn I did not know Queen Mary was in that bad of shape
Metal surrounded by salt water ... only gets better with age ...... something like fine wine ...
when i went as a kid in the 90s it was already a bit rough looking, but theres such a charm about it thats hard to describe, like you can feel the history. sadly though i dont think it has a future at this point. eventually someone will decide to just take out whatever valuable materials are left and the hull of the ship itself will probably be turned into a reef, along with the soviet submarine.
LOL have you ever been on the Queen Mary? It's decrepit
@@AuntieSocialNetwork yeah its about time for her to be gutted and put to rest. many people have tried to make it profitable again, but it just isnt. the only way left to make any sort of money out of it is salvage, selling the valuable metals and auctioning off the furnishings.
@@cwg9238 yup, the first thing they did was auctioned off most of the old expensive items, Chandeliers, and so on and put in cheap replicas. yea its the scrap heap for her. she can join our military carrier fleets. Brownsville tx.
As someone who lives very close to Long Beach (and someone who went to his girlfriend's school Winter Formal which was hosted on the Queen Mary), this was quite a sad watch. This truly is the crown jewel landmark of the seaside city of Long Beach and it would be a tragedy to see it wither away in obscurity.
True.
Long beach had a jewel , it was that amusement park they ripped out. Instead of cleaning out the filth and crime they didn't just get rid of that park and all will be ok. LOLOLOL
Put it in Manhattan and you'll get a ton of tourists. Not in the middle of nowhere surrounded by abandoned buildings and a rusted sub. And use it as a ship, make short voyages from New York to Canada or something.
I really hope she could be saved. Queen Mary represent the golden age of ocean travels, her design is marvelous. It will be a tragedy if she ends in a scrapyard
she most likely won't be moving soon
well.. considering the fact that shes blocked by a rock wall
More likely to suffer the same fate as the S.S. United States
The ship is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It's gonna be saved anyway.
@@u-2012 Or the RMS Queen Elizabeth, the sister of the Queen Mary
@@gabrielarambula4465 Crikey, I really hope not.
Perplexed as to why thoughts of a dry dock for the ship to get it out of the water was not considered as early as possible. As it would clear almost all routine hull maintenance.
dry docks are expensive and the wait times for docks that take something of her size are pretty long
yeah i mean it makes sense that sitting in water for 90 years isn't sustainable
@@calderhall1794 Build the dry dock around her at Long Beach? I bet they don't cost as much has been wasted on this over the years.
Ships aren't designed to live out of water... by which I mean they are best supported by water and if dry docked for long periods the hull will start to settle and become deformed. Especially once structural corrosion sets in. At which point there is no way back and ship will just end up scrapped sooner or later.
Best way to preserve a ship is afloat with regular maintenance including dry dock visits. Which is very expensive so instead ships tend to get minimal maintenance and just start rotting away.
@@x91w
It's called a "dry birth" not a dry dock, has been done with other ships (mostly warships) of historical value. Cut's down on maintenance costs for sure, maybe they'll consider it.
The QM has a special place in the hearts of my wife and I. We went there when we were still dating. They had apparantly missed a "do not enter" rope spot and we, first unknowingly, ended up in places of the ship that tourists weren't suppose to be ... raw, unlit, un-beautified parts of the old ship. This was before any special effects-laden haunted tour. Trust me. The fake effects weren't necessary. The real bowels of the ship are more f'ing terrifying au naturale. We eventually somehow found ourselves popping out a door into the main ball room. While other tourists watched from the outer roped off doors, I danced with my wife in the grand ballroom.
We'd been back several times before moving out of state, but each time seemed to get more closed off, more expensive, more forced-touristry. I hope she can "stay afloat" financially. She's always a destination for us when were in town.
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I got married there in 2008. You could tell it was falling apart then. The night before the wedding my groomsmen and I snuck into many areas on a drunken rampage. We got inside the center smokestack and climbed scaffolding set up in there to the top. Had a great time.
"drunken rampage" just how many of its holes are you responsible for? 😛
How was your divorce though?
@@MrSvenovitch she still likes me for some reason. We made two more people.
I dj'd my friend's wedding around 2014 and yeah it was run down - trying to find enough power outlets was a chore for it being modern day. I got to go in the employee entrance and it was definitely not as polished as you would think even by judging the guest areas which were still a bit shoddy by then.
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If ever there was proof of the statement, "a boat is a hole in the water in which you must pore money," this is it.
Poor, pour and pore all have different meanings. You mean pour.
@@drybiscuit A certain relevance in that it leaks.
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@@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj Good on ya sport!
This is the last thing I did with my Father before he died....went on the Russian Sub and the Queen Mary
What were your impressions?
The Russian sub was great. I loved the story told by an attendant about how it merged in periscope range of the battleship
OMG! Same here (2002). It was the last of my Father's good health and he loved every moment. Very sad to hear I may never get a chance to go back ...
Sorry about ya dad bucko
FYI: i recently stayed at the open again Queen Mary and they seem to be operating normally and making money
As a former Wrather Hotel Security Officer, I am really shocked at the Queens health. I have been on almost every inch of that ship. Places no tour could take you. It is amazing. The ghosts were fun to deal with too. I worked there in 1983 I believe. A great place for a young man to work and walk for 8 hours a day. Lots of girls and good food. My ex wife worked in the village at the fudge store before I worked on the ship. Great memories. Lots of stories to be told. Of course the best was taking every new hire up to the bridge for inspection just as the ships horn would sound. Bring a change of underwear for that event.
Wow I'd love to hear some of your stories. I myself have snuck into certain "forbidden" areas as a guest in years past and was struck by the enormous size and how easily I could get lost down there.
I'm sorry...ghosts?
@@mrcolz9373 We called the events "Ghosts" but of course I have no proof other than personal experiences. Ghost is as good a label as "Unexplained activities".
@@cop4hie oh, haha. It's been my dream to visit the Queen Mary, and the ghost thing was sorta at the back of my mind. However this whole situation kinda threw a rock at that.
@@mrcolz9373 If you have any interest in the Queen, I would plan a visit very soon. It doesn't look good for her right now. I worked there in the 80's and it was a rust bucket below decks then. I don't know what keeps her afloat. BTW If she sinks she is not going to sink more than a few feet. She is floating because if they sat her on the bottom it would break her back.
That ship is a huge symbol of Long Beach. Hopefully it doesn’t get destroyed or else Long Beach is pretty much an absolute shit hole. Which it already is...but the queen mary is something nice to look at
It would be crazy growing up living next to it
Growing up walking around the queen Mary and going to the pike with my grandma on a regular basis was a lot of fun
People who have money, have no sentimentality. People who are sentimental, have no money.
Tis the way of the world.
What if we can change all that for the better? That will be brilliant if sentimental people have money and vice versa.
But that’s not really true. People with money collect things from artwork to antiques. But I guess that’s supposed to rhyme or something
Most of us get attached to our cars too. Then the AC or the transmission go out and we change our minds.
@@What2B I see.
My great Aunt Aggie took a cruise from New York to Europe on the Queen Mary somewhere back in the 40's/50's. My mom and I visited the Queen Mary in 1988 while visiting my Uncle Bill and Aunt Mary in California, and my jaw dropped open at first sight of the massive ship! We walked around the decks of the ship for some time, my mom and Uncle Bill reminiscing on seeing my great aunt off. The Queen Mary is a symbol of maritime history and we must save her for all future generations to see. To see her sunk or scrapped would be unthinkable!
It's too hot the rooms no a/c don't pay $350 to $600 per night
My grandfather had escaped Germany on this Ship. Hopefully she wont be scrapped.
@Rich H it's an important piece of ship history
they should make a Disney land style area with the whole area being transformed into a 1930’s town/port it would be like a trip to the past
I would love that...but it would be ruined by modern people dressed in rags; as they do in Vegas
@@soulbasedliving i mean maybe there could be a pass to enter the place and like extra security with walls around the place
Nikhil Joshi
I was there in the 1970/80 years, industrial area, that's the same now, just unable to develop.
Think of London, billions and billions of Dollars you need, from the old industrial harbor to the London fancy levels is now.
@@nikhiljoshi8767 Who are "they" and who is going to pay?
That kinda was the plan, but the ship needs over 300 million dollars in repairs. . .
My dad, an American joined the Canadian army in 1939. He went to war on the Queen Mary. It was converted to a troop ship and could outrun the German subs
that is a cool story, thanks for sharing
Why would an American join the Canadian army? I thought Canada only attracted the draft dodgers.
@@danieltoth3900 Because Canada joined the war a whole 2 years before the US, some Americans were brave and eager to fight before pearl harbor. Draft dodgers came here to get away from the Vietnam War, because Canada was smart enough not to get involved in that conflict.
It may sound sell out-ish, but maybe the Queen Mary can be featured in Thomas the tank engine. This might help get the newer generation interested in Mary and help preserve her. Doing some digging I don't think a big ship character has been featured in Thomas. Maybe the company that owns the rights to Thomas can do a movie starring Mary and the blue tank engine. With any luck hopefully it can raise interest and awareness to the Queen Mary.
I have a better idea. How about Queen Mary be featured in Theodore Tugboat.
@@johnv7317 I think the show was cancelled, if not that would be great!
@@aquaatem1 Yeah am aware that kid show is cancelled since 2001 but if someone out there is interested reviving it Theodore Tugboat again they should include Queen Mary as a character.
The Queen Mary was one of the highlights of my 2012 trip to the US. I'd love to set foot aboard her again. It will be truly depressing if she isn't saved. There's nothing else like her left.
Growing up in this area all my life, I have always seen the Queen Mary as a magnificent piece of not only Long Beach history but of World history. It breaks my heart to hear the actual condition she’s in today :((
Nah, if I wanted a big failure on my wall, I'd hang a mirror.
I will give you a "Like" for your honesty!
I don’t understand why they didn’t dry dock the ship instead of leaving it in the water? Would that not be significantly cheaper long term?
We live right next to this iconic ship and it’s beautiful whenever we go on a cruise out of there. So glad you did an episode on it! Keep up the great work!
As a resident of Long Beach, I feel this.
Me too. It might have made it if they built the aquarium and other stuff out there.
Same here.
Long Beach must ensure this ship's future whether the city it'self or the community.
@@theminipetabyte4610 Long Beach has a long history of poor decisions and mis-managed funds, so don't count on it.
Irvine here, I feel the agony too.
My father played in the band on the Queen Mary's last voyage from Southampton to Long Beach. He took lots of pictures and the first time I went on the ship I recognized virtually everything. The ship is too big to go through the Panama Canal so it had to go around Cape Horn.
At 80,000 tons, I doubt if the Queen Mary could not go through the Panama Canal. My father was stationed in the Canal for 30 months (41 to 44') &
I've been through it on a larger ship, over 100,000 tons in 2013!
Ron Gendron OK. That's what they told my father.
I lived in LB when they brought the QM to the port. One of my coworkers visited the ship during the early restoration process and obtained a sample of the paint many layers thick showing the gray strata during the ww2. More troubling though was the finding that many of the life boats had only layers of paint over football sized holes in the metal hulls. Evidently maintenance was insufficient long before the ship was retired.
Thank you so much for this attention. She really needs it right now and seeing more and more people make videos on her warms my heart
I toured the Queen Mary at its mooring in Long Beach. As an engineer, I was very impressed with the engine room. The horn was sounded at noon- plenty loud. A shame if it winds up being scrapped.
I went to Dark Harbor in 2019, and it was an awesome event. The haunted mazes that they set up inside the ship felt creepy in a way that mazes created from scratch rarely do, and the attractions they set up outside the ship were great as well. Really hope that the new owners (whoever they end up being) can find a way to continue this!
It seems that pushing haunted ship tours would not encourage people to stay the night in a room.
@@joeottsoulbikes415 that's not true. People travel here FOR the ghost tours.
@@stacefacemarie interesting. I think I would be adverse to sleeping in a ship someone had just told me ghost stories about. But I can see people feeling it was exciting, thrilling, fun or what ever. Thanks for making me think of the up sides.
@@joeottsoulbikes415 You're welcome. There's a LOT of history of the Queen Mary, and documented stories, so Ghost Adventures, Lore, etc add to her mystery. Here in Long Beach, we have odd stories too from the war, so she fits in.
My great grandfather watched her be built and then worked on the repairs team when she came back in to be refitted after the war. I’ve always wanted to go see her more so after his death so this honestly breaks my heart that she’s in this state
Queen Mary is a special ship. I visited her in 2011. The Art Deco design is just awesome. It would be a shame to see her go.
My mom immigrated from Croatia in 1952 and sailed from France on the QM.
This is actually really neat. My grandfather was in the Navy, but all the ships he served on have been scrapped.
@Rich H Whatever you say. There's no need for that attitude.
My Father's friend, Doug Adams RIP, was the gunner's mate aboard the Queen Mary while she was a troop transport. Her actual top speed was classified. He said it was 42 knots! She had to travel without escort because the destroyers could not keep up.
If it was classified how did he know, him being just a gunners mate? Your dad's friend was just blowing smoke up your a## . The Mary could never go anywhere near 42 knts. She sometimes traveled without escort because even at speeds of 30 kts or so it would have been extremely difficult for a sub to target her. The sub would have to be very lucky and be almost right in the path of the ship. Destroyers of that era could match any speed the Mary could do.
@@johnstudd4245 It is extremely hard for a ship of her size to go even 40 knots, you would have to fit more engines into the ship
I think your father's friend was having you on. Sailors like to do that. :)
Queen Mary achieved almost 33 kts during her sea trials but she was able to achieve average speeds of around 32 kts during long voyages so it's quite conceivable that her top speed was more than 33 kts if they really pushed it. It wouldn't have been anywhere near 40 kts though.
@@WeddingVegetables Doug certainly was a story teller. Since I posted this comment, I have watched a lot of videos about WWII era vessels. A top speed closer to 33 knots is much more likely.
@@johnstudd4245 and how do you know all this to be right mmm 🤔
I think it would be best if she returned to England and be a attraction in London
They really need to save this ship, it really is unique in this world. Even if they have to haul it back into a drydock and replace sections of the hull, it cannot be allowed to just rot
Somehow i don't see any hope of her being saved. She's likely going to the scrapper regardless of how historically significant she is.
The question is whether she can even withstand movement to drydock. It might make more sense to build a drydock where she sits; the drydock used to originally convert her to a floating hotel no longer exists in Long Beach. She would have to be moved to San Diego, I believe.
@@nathanaeljonesmyfsd That's what i was thinking. Place props underneath the ship while it sits there in the water, drydock the area then pump out the water. Corrosion is no longer a significant issue (can be addressed much easier)
That takes a lot of money
@@leewahler3058 Hence the $300 million repair estimate.
This is so sad . My Grandfather helped build her , he was a caulker . He died before I was born , lungs damaged by the fumes . Thanks for the likes . My father always wanted to take a cruise on the ship in memory of his Father , but kept delaying for financial reasons . Then mum got ill with cancer and the cruise never happened . Follow your dreams people if you can , don't leave it too late 👍♥️👋♥️
Thanks to your grandfather the ship was built and my parents and 3 brothers all got to have passage on her in 1949 in 6 days when they moved to find a better life in USA.
Some of these video's are just not for all of us. :(
I stay one mile from where she was born , so sad the ship builders has all gone
This is what happens when government prevents business from doing business. No brainer. Any questions?
honestly if this piece of history isn't preserved that'd be a failure on a cultural and national scale. iirc if she goes, only 3 older liners will be left globally :( edit: to be clear this is the type of thing the government should help with financially if worst comes worst. edit2: huh I didn't realise the video is pm the older side, apparently she is being repaired so yay :')
I walk over the slipway where she was built most days, 10 minute walk from my house. My grandfather worked in the yard, which is long gone, but Clydebank is still proud of the great ships built here. Hopefully she can be saved and returned to her former glory.
My grandfather helped build her , he was a caulker . My grandparents lived in Yoker ( think that's how it's spelt ) in Clydebank .
Proud to be a Bankie! 🚢
Who knows? Maybe if America cannot save her , then maybe the British can summon the will , and money of course. But someone would need to rally the nation to it.
my grandfather helped build her; he was a riveter. my great uncle was an engineer on her for 3-4 years (both renfrew boys). i stay on her whenever i'm down in socal. when i first told the staff of my connection to the ship i was given vip treatment. even saw ship's mainfesto's with my great uncles name and signature. for myself it's always a great event when i stay on her but ... and perhaps it's inevitable; but the ship is absolutely in disrepair. the location is also terrible. it is not easy to get to and isolated from everything. if they had put her right downtown in long beach (entirely plausible) it definitely would have been a success. sadly with this location it will not IMO ever operate as a successful hotel. most of my family are still in and around renfrew. my father worked as an engineer on the bank for years, used to take the renfrew ferry every day. i used to ride my bike along the bank whenever i visited. never a dull moment in clydebank.
I live less than 10 minutes from this ship. I’d hate to see her gone or even worse, scrapped.
I wish someone with money with an interest in preserving history would buy her. I wonder if Elon would do it
@@Tempusverum Maybe he can make the headquarters of his futurism cult and you could be his grand vizier?
Me, too. 😥
Problem is the steel is probably worth way more than the complete ship. It pre-dates nuclear testing which means the steel has no contamination from it (which is in all metals made since). It's used for all kinds of sensitive equipment in science and medical industries etc. People actually steal it from old wrecks and WW1/WW2 warship graveyards.
My grandfather was in ww2 and he was on this ship hope someone saves her
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Shut up Rms Queen mary
bruh what did I do all I said was =)
@@MUSTARDDDMANN 😑😑😂😂😂
If I can ever go to America, I'd love to see the Queen Mary.
This is incredibly sad. I have so many memories from my childhood from being there :c it's been sad watching it slowly become abandoned.
I remember being there and on the submarine and not fully realizing their historical importance. Now it might be too late 💔
Sadly she cannot be moved as the hull was so rusted an thin they filled the bilge with Concrete years ago. She now sits on the bottom on her moorings.
Someone could do what Japan did with the Mikasa
As a californian, this is incredibly sad. its an icon in Long Beach and for california as a whole.
Its still there. The ownership is just broke
Yep. I live in CA also. The ship should be saved.
I lived in Long Beach and I hope this ship is saved. Where I lived in Belmont Heights I saw the Queen Mary from a distance everyday.
@@sunshinesweetlove..8066 still praying that California gets struck by a major earthquake and sinks into the ocean
@@Americafirst-i8q You hope 40 million people and countless wildlife perish in a horrifying natural disaster? Seriously, seek professional psychological counselling and avoid all contact with any living thing until it has been determined that you are no longer a threat to others. Your issues are legion.
I spent a weekend at the Queen Mary, and I thought it was fun. However, over time, the historical aspects of the ship have been forgotten, as expected. I don't see how young people from outside the local area could be attracted to it.
Blow it up n ppl will be interested
You couldn't be more wrong...
A necessary story to understanding how pivotal The Pond was. My grandfather arrived in England via the Queen Mary and the thought of her being scrapped is bewildering.
Nearly all grandfathers of that time (including mine) are already scrapped ....so...you know...
Please do an abandoned video on the IX center in Cleveland Ohio!!
Wow! I love Disney Port! It is the BES…..oooh it never opened…
I'm still pissed that the City of Long Beach didn't approve the building of Port Disney/DisneySea. NOW we gotta travel half way around the world to Japan to go to it.
I feel like the Queen Mary doesn't get the love it deserves on Veterans or Memorial Day since it did held service for the U.S. soldiers in WWll
Would love to see her go to San Diego and join the beautiful array of ships there. This is just so sad to see her deterioration 😞
That would definitely solve the "no other nearby attractions" problem
Unfortunately, she is no longer seaworthy.
@@AGDinCA We can tow her on in on a barge!
I think she will be better off in San Diego
@@elvisp7530 Affirmative!
I have never clicked so fast for a story I’ve already heard
Same. I've heard bits and pieces of this ship's history before, but I had to watch BSF cover this, in only the way he can.
i held back tears until the end where it goes back to black and white we must save her
I really hope a company is able to make it profitable
@@thatpersonsmusic Isn't gonna happen, they've tried it all.
@@davidsquall351 we can always hope
@@thatpersonsmusic you are an optimist
@@davidsquall351 I just try to keep hope, often I’m more of a pessimist (or realist as I like to call it) though
My (then) partner and I had the amazing opportunity to spend our first weekend away together on the QM as a surprise for him over Thanksgiving weekend 2019. It was amazing. What a lovely ship and our suite was fantastic (except for our drunk neighbors who ruined it for us in the wee hours of the morning). It will be a wonderful shared memory for the rest of our lives. What needs to happen is the land mass known as 'parking' needs to be developed into a multi-family housing and entertainment center. This will generate the funds needed to revitalize the QM and place her in her rightful place as the centerpiece of a live/work/stay destination. Long Beach real-estate values are out of control and a modern and well thought out live/work/entertainment development would do wonders for the area. The addition of a monorail or similar 'people-mover' system from off-site parking to the destination would make it the pinnacle of nightlife in the area.
Hopefully the Queen lives on. She’s beat the odds before. She’ll do it again.
She _probably_ will. The operator is who went out of business, and not the owner, which is the city itself. The city knows what a draw QM is and will almost certainly find someone else to operate her.
Hope so
My dad was on the Queen Mary when she collided with the Curacao in '42.. He went flying off his rack and landed on top of a pile of other GI's. They thought the Germans torpedoed them. They didn't find out what happened until they disembarked and saw the big bite out of the bow. I'm glad he got to see her again just before he died in 2001. He proudly bought a red shirt with her logo.
That is an amazing story, best wishes.
Sadly my uncle (that of course I never knew) was on the Curaçao and didn’t survive that fateful impact. I’m glad to have stayed on the Queen three years ago as part of a Californian trip
@@billbeeby8764 It is painful to think of those hundreds of men who died. So sorry for your family's loss. When my dad saw her in the 90s, he told the staff they had the wrong date of the collision in the little museum below decks and when my brother and I visited a few years later, it had been corrected. My dad thought those men should at least be acknowledged with the correct date.
Shortly after marrying the apple of my eye, we moved across the US and landed in Long Beach in the mid 80s. We often visited the QM as tourists as well as the Spruce Goose. My fondest memory is of the New Year's Eve celebration we attended about the QM. There were 4 different ball rooms for dancing all playing differently themed music and champagne flowed like water, a number of banquet rooms serving unbelievable amounts of delicious foods, followed by fireworks off the fantail at midnight and our cost of admission also included a hotel room aboard the vessel in which to sleep and arise to an unbelievable champagne brunch buffet. We had the time of our life and got to spend a night on the Queen Mary but never went out to sea..
...okay and? The point being?
What a wonderful memory! Very interesting.
A sad state of affairs for such a grand lady. I've visited her from time to time through the years, and I hope to someday take my son to see her. A vestige of a time when people weren't in such a hurry, and elegance and comfort was part of the experience.
Change its name to the Titanic and people will flock to it! 😂
Take it out in the middle of the ocean and sink it!
Y'all, the Queen Mary was my childhood. It makes me so upset how horribly the ship was treated by the company in Long Beach.
Very bad tratmentment and definitely hurt Mary's "Feelings."
Fr i went a few years ago it’s just coming apart
Especially when they let real estate magnate Lucille Bluth hijack it to escape from the SEC
My family spent a few nights in the queen mary one winter. It was the last time my mother saw her friend before she passed away from cancer and it all seemed so recent. I didn’t expect the queen Mary to end up like this. I’m just glad I got to experience it before things got worse.
Don’t forget to talk to those you love.
So sad - my husband and I went here for our first anniversary a couple years back and it was a phenomenal weekend. I am so, so glad we opted to go when we did. It's a beautiful, eerie time capsule. It's really like stepping right into another era.
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port disney ultimately became Tokyo Disney Sea and is rated by most sources as the world’s single best amusement park
Yes and Long Beach city hall screwed it all up.. environmental bull
disney world is the best
@@mariablackwell3249 Wasn't it environmentally harmful as a project though? At least that gives some merit to Long Beach's decision, even though they should have renegotiated
*theme park
@@sentientarugula2884 Everything short of all humans throwing themselves into the nearest volcano is technically environmentally harmful to some degree. I doubt anything would have been irreparably harmed by that park or that it couldn't be offset by measures or mitigations Disney would have been willing to do. All kinds of sea life is damaged by fishing but we haven't banned fish yet. I think the point is that the "environmental" concerns were probably blown out of proportion by grumpy NIMBYs who didn't want to see more traffic in their area. If we always listened to people like that we would have no interesting attractions ever built.