Giving and generosity are not the same thing. If you give someone money because someone forces you to, that does not come from a spirit of generosity, and often it leads to resentment, not love.
To summarize Jesus’, and the Abrahamic God’s thoughts on wealth; “Give your excess money away or you go to hell.” Read a fucking Bible dude, your lack of understanding is crazy LOL
@@cz_alpha Your stupidity is that you know nothing about God. God said to help the poor. He said nothing about going to hell. Jesus did say that those that give much will will receive much. When he told the young rich man that wanted to join him to sell al of His goods. He said nothing about him going to hell. Jesus said it was the love of money that was a sin, not having money. A poor person could love money.
James 5:4 “Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty.”
@@mepp7573 James 5 5 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. Those verses are about one sin, not all of your sins. I always check the verses around 1 verse.
You contradict your other videos with this. In this video you say the Bible teaches "generosity out of love, not compulsion" and therefore you reject a government role concerning this, while in other videos you say "just societes care for the most vulnerable" ("Should a Baby be Aborted if It Will Suffer?") and "Every law is a moral law" ("Morality Should Be Legislated"). This is what happens when American capitalism is put in a religious costume (Prosperity Theology). I have one question: If someone is incapable to fit into the capitalist economy (e. g. if he is mentally challenged and no one wants to employ the "retard" who is "bad for business") would it be moral when the government does nothing and lets him starve to death?
On your first example, a society doesn't mean government. A just society doesn't have to depend on government to do anything. What it does require is that INDIVIDUALS see suffering and take action themselves to alleviate it, not lobby the government to set up a program. On your second example, why do you assume that only government takes action. In human history, this is a very recent development, and mentally deficient individuals were cared for by family. There are also plenty of examples of government programs in which the vulnerable - like the mentally incapable - are abused and allowed to die. Government is not a better solution at all.
@@Ferndalien They meant government control in their video when they used the term "just society" because they advocated a ban on abortion. But if, according to you, a "just society doesn't have depend on government to do anything", shouldn't abortion or assisted suicide be legal individual decisions? What if the family lacks the money or decides not to care for a deficient member or if someone is an orphan? Modern public services may be a recent phenomenon but this also goes for modern capitalism. Anyway, government laws caring for the economically weak aren't that new since the Torah already contains a lot of rules regarding that.
@@HussamDwayat abortion should be an individual decision where the baby, once the brain is fully developed at the age of 25, can make his/her decision, while assisted suicide should only be up to the individual, once the patient is able to make a conscious decision, and not to the family, doctors, or government. The correct translation of the ten commandments is "thou shall not murder," instead of the word "kill," where murder means to kill with bad intent. I think adoption is the better solution to abortion. It's understandable if a couple or single mother isn't ready to be a parent or they can't afford the cost, but I think there are a lot of Angelina and Brad Pitt type of people who want to adopt and would love their child as if it were their own. Even if the baby was unplanned or came from something immoral, the baby is still innocent and deserves their own rights to be heard. Even if life ends up being more difficult, suffering doesn't have to be a bad thing. It says in scripture, that when you suffer, that is God disciplining, and that "the fruit of suffering, is the fruit of righteousness," that because of what you went through, you know not to do it to others. I think orphanages with help from the people could be improved. I had an idea where instead of depending on just the government (social work), some families who work in a farm or field can volunteer to temporarily adopt children who haven't been adopted or are struggling so that they can get used to a family setting early on and then be adopted. The volunteering family acts as a bridge to help connect the orphan and to know that they'll always have a family, as well as being able to patiently wait until they can be adopted at an early age, but if not, they'll be able to stay with the bridge family by his/her own choosing. I say farm since I think it could work better, but it doesn't have to be one.
Trouble is, socialism isn’t a blanket term. There are many different forms. But of those forms, Jesus would not have been a capitalist. Point 1: Jesus was in a time under an oppressive government, he understood a systemic issue that was not democratic, this being prior to our current system. But he did condemn the powers of the day for hoarding wealth for themselves, as the religious leaders did. Point 2: Jesus does care for our immediate need, there are many instances of that. Point 3: you are stretching the parable of the talents to the limit, this is just a poor understanding of the parable. Point 4: early Christians lived in a way that was more greatly equitable than the world around them. They were generous and would have likely supported a structure of government that would mirror that, even though they lived under an invasive force. There is clearly an agenda here, cherry picking scripture and it’s really disheartening.
That is NOT what Matthew 26:11 says! It actually reads "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me." Not a small omission on your part. Why did you feel the need to make up half a Bible verse? This really makes me question your motives.
Yes, that's true; the words in bold point signify that it was not part of the original verse; kind of like using italics. However, if you read the entire passage in context, Matthew 26:6-13 or the parallel passage in John 12:1-8, you'll see that the words in bold is the correct exegesis and an important summary lesson of the passage. This is a short video and they don't have 30 minutes of time to preach out the whole thing. Judas said that Mary wasted expensive ointment on Jesus' feet that could have been used for the poor. He said that not because he really cared about the poor. Jesus was pointing out that it was ok to pour expensive ointment on his feet because the poor will always be here. You can help them anytime.
Lmfao imagine unironically posting this trash, merely existing under capitalism mandates coercive labour with the sole goal of creating more wealth for the rich not helping the poor lol
There's laws in the Torah as well as writings by many of the prophets that go directly against our modern capitalistic system. Leviticus 19:9-10 orders land owners to freely give control over parts of their fields and vineyards (two of the central areas of wealth in an agrarian society like ancient Israel) to "the poor and the foreigner". This was how Ruth and Naomi survived in the Book of Ruth (funny how there's an entire book in the Bible about an immigrant on welfare). It's also arguably that this is what Matthew 12:1-8 is about since there is no mention about who owned the field the disciples were picking food from and the legal scholars of the time would have had no complaint about eating on the Sabbath, but they would have criticized those who took what belonged to them as the poor as per the above Mosaic passage since that could have been viewed as work/labour. Jesus' response to this is to summarize a passage in 1 Samuel 21 when David is on the run and takes consecrated bread that did not belong to him (technically he is given the bread, but it is debatable how freely this was given since David lied to Ahimelek, but anyways this is not the focus of Jesus' explanation). Jesus then quotes Hosea and says, "God wants mercy, not sacrifice", meaning in this case that David and the disciples were both in the right since God wants society to primarily show mercy towards those that need it (like the poor and foreigners) instead of forcing the poor to sacrifice themselves and the hungry to starve. The Torah also contains other laws designed to ensure a just society that stands in contrast to our own, such as its ban on charging interest (Leviticus 25:36-37) or reminders that all land belongs to God and as such all people are "foreigners and strangers" (Leviticus 25:23), a clear critique of our modern understanding of private property. The accumulation of land and wealth under the rich is a major issue according to many of the prophets, just one example being Isaiah who declared that "Woe be onto those that add house to house and join field to field until no space is left and they live alone in the land" (Isaiah 5:8) I wish I could go on, but there's so many verses against the rich, like you pointed out, that we could go on for days. All this being said, however, I don't actually believe that Jesus was a socialist, but that's just because socialism exists as a modern critique against modern capitalism that didn't exist in 1st century Judea. I do believe though that honestly following the teaching of the Bible and applying them in modernity will lead one towards socialism. In other words, to fill the hungry, one must empty the rich and send them away.
@Chumnley snoop No, but hopefully others see my comment and decide to read Scripture for themselves instead of relying on a Thinktank sponsered video on TH-cam for all their theological needs.
Uh...Jesus explicitly condemned to hell those who did not take care of the poor. God never forces us to do the right thing, but there are consequences to doing the wrong thing.
@@gfujigo This fucker is so goddamn stupid, talking any sense into these right-wing apes seems pointless as they're so caught up in their fucking tribalism they don't understand that they are on the same side of the poor. America is fucking doomed.
@@sciencesociety2919 i agree, being divisive isnt good, but at this point things are too far gone. The majority of Americans have been propagandized their whole lives that this is the best we can do, and barely any break free. Climate change is gonna start doing serious damage, if it hasnt already, the possibility of nuclear war is as close if not closer than the cold war, and billions of people worldwide live in poverty. Yet there is no real activist movement going on in America. De-unionization has decimated activism since the 80`s, and outside of that no organization is happening unless its for BLM. Sorry for the rant but its the truth, who cares about the youtube comments anyways, the comments section doesnt reflect reality.
I would disagree with both your assertions and exegesis of Jesus’ teachings. For instance, the Year of Jubilee could easily be understood as a form of equal distribution. Jesus’ parable about the workers who received the same pay for different hours worked, I would view as socialist... everyone getting what they need, not too much and not too little. There are many other things like this in your little clip. I think casting Jesus as a capitalist or a socialist does a disservice to Jesus’ teaching, the cultural reality of an honour based system, and the context of the scripture. I would also challenge what you label as “socialist” as well. Not everything you include is necessary for a political system to be labelled socialist (as is mentioned in another comment).
Except not everything you said is always true globally in general. The generosity through decisions *is not* equal payments within season. The redistributed wealth to diligent (because Jesus cares more about our hearts than our financial situation) *is not* distribution of equal wealth to everyone (because it's not like everyone needs money and not like everyone is productive for the sake of their faith) Have you heard our faith is already a currency itself? No? Then you wouldn't understand.
Though Jesus definitely did advocate for generosity, not forced charity, I’d say he didn’t advocate against the idea. As you brought up, when Jesus told the man that he was not to be an arbiter between the man’s and his brother’s financial matters. Though he never said us humans should not. The idea of socialism that you express here is a drastic one, rather the one that the vast majority of people are calling for in America (and has proven useful all over the world) is only for major things. Things such as healthcare, which as a Christian I feel we should compel our government (supposedly “for the people, by the people” to help others. As a society we should WANT to help others. Jesus wants us to love eachother, and I’d say a democratic system promoting the sharing of wealth (as the early Christians did) shows love. Is Jesus a socialist? No, but he wasn’t isn’t a capitalist either.
Yes, we (especially as Christians) should "want" to help others, but should we force people to help others? Even the courts have avoided prosecuting onlookers who could have helped victims, but didn't. Socialism increases government power over our lives in the name of doing good. If our citizens are really good, they can voluntarily give of themselves. One of the key points of Christianity is a personal concern for others. Government acts very impersonally. Why would you want your paycheck taxes to be sent as a payment to someone in need (who on closer inspection may not really be in need)? I have worked with inner-city poor and find that far more good is done when one person voluntarily gets involved in someone else's life. This builds relationships, allows for better discernment of root issues behind needs, allows for discipleship, promotes gratitude (how many thank the government for checks?), and even helps me to better understand others. Socialism is generally advocated because people want what others have, want others to have things without it costing them very much, politicians want it as a way of gaining power over others, and many others simply fail to recognize the social underpinnings of character - they tend to believe that a check solves most problems. Capitalism alone can breed greed; healthy capitalism is built upon a strong Christian foundation of love. Put these together under a limited government and you have liberty. Add a coercive socialized government and liberty decreases - every time.
Well said! A government should restrict evil. While most wealthy individuals have not grown their wealth through direct malice, many "capitalist" decisions have resulted in damaging and even deadly results amongst the working class. The systemic prioritization of the powerful over the vulnerable is evil.
Totally agree with you. If we have no problems with public schools, public roads, etc. then we should have health care like every other modern nation provides for its citizens. People are dying because of lack of access to good health care. It’s in the public interest just like education and roads.
@@gfujigo You are mistaken, these nations you speak of. I assume you are referring to Canada, European countries, Australia and East Asian countries don't have the utopian paradise you envision. People are not dying because of lack of good health care, there's no evidence to support this. Are you aware that hospitals in UK and Canada have overcrowding problems and keep in mind that these countries have a fewer population than America has. It's not a sin to desire for the government to have programs but it's not a commandment and you should definitely not preach and say a Christian should support these programs. Another thing I may ask is where do you draw the line? Humans also need food and shelter, should the government also provide that? If you see the economic complications you will realize that when the government takes control of many aspects of public services the quality tends to diminish.
Helpful? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband?? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
To the editors...your citation of the verse at time marker 1:43 should be Mark 14:7. Matthew 26 citation is similar but doesn't include "any time you want" which Mark does. Both verses are from the same event Bethany before the Passover.
0:51 That's literally not what socialism is tho... Socialism is a political ideology that aims to give workers shared ownership of the tools, land, and buildings that they use to make products or provide services.
Nobody said Jesus was for hoarding wealth and neglecting the poor. He wasn’t for that at all but he also wasn’t for the rich man being forced to give up 50% of his wealth to help the poor. If that’s what was in the rich mans heart to do then Jesus would’ve been fine with that but it’s not something he’d tell people to do. Jesus is 100% ok with people being rich but he strongly believes the wealthy should help the poor, but that’s not a socialist view point it’s just a generous one. Jesus wants us to help the poor through our own decision making, not the government forcing it
@@HH-pj6he Socialism isnt about 'forcing' the rich to give up their wealth. Its about creating a system where the wealth isnt funnelled unfairly to individuals or small groups of ppl who are then able to monopolize and bully and control others. Instead, workers, whose skill, time and labour go into helping those companies become a success, also get a fair slice of the pie. You do realize that lots of company owners inherited their wealth to start up a company? Many others went to the government and were given tax payers money (socialism) for 'research and developtment' purposes to be able to start that business. If we lived in a truly capitalist system, why are banks and corporations bailed out with tax payers money (socialism bailing out capitalism) and then public services being cut? Or tax breaks for the rich which also equals public service cuts - if indeed you want to bring up the subject of force? Consider property. How can a single person own thousands and thousands of acres of farmland...land that has been there for millions of years? How can one person be in charge of land that can feed millions of ppl? Tell me, you happy with that arrangement? That Bezos and Bill gates can be in control of what ppl eat to that degree? As for Jesus, he told one man 'sell everything, give it to the poor then come follow me.' I think that gives a pretty good idea about Jesus attitude to wealth and its importance. Or consider the story of the rich man and Lazarus. True, Jesus didnt force ppl to do anything. But he did warn of God's punishment towards those who lived lives of great wealth and neglected the poor. Consider this verse by James, Jesus brother: ◄ James 5 Warning to Rich Oppressors 1Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. a 6You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
@@aguitarcalledchutzpah Amen to that. There's laws in the Torah that go directly against our modern capitalistic system as well as writings by many of the prophets. Leviticus 19:9-10 orders land owners to freely give control over parts of their fields and vineyards (two of the central areas of wealth in an agrarian society like ancient Israel) to "the poor and the foreigner". This was how Ruth and Naomi survived in the Book of Ruth (funny how there's an entire book in the Bible about an immigrant on welfare). It's also arguably that this is what Matthew 12:1-8 is about since there is no mention about who owned the field the disciples were picking food from and the legal scholars of the time would have had no complaint about eating on the Sabbath, but they would have criticized those who took what belonged to them as the poor as per the above Mosaic passage since that could have been viewed as work/labour. Jesus' response to this is to summarize a passage in 1 Samuel 21 when David is on the run and takes consecrated bread that did not belong to him (technically he is given the bread, but it is debatable how freely this was given since David lied to Ahimelek, but anyways this is not the focus the Jesus' explanation). Jesus then quotes Hosea and says, "God wants mercy, not sacrifice", meaning in this case that David and the disciples were both in the right since God wants society to primarily show mercy towards those that need it (like the poor and foreigners) instead of forcing the poor to sacrifice themselves and the hungry to starve. The Torah also contains other laws designed to ensure a just society that stands in contrast to our own, such as its ban on charging interest (Leviticus 25:36-37) or reminders that all land belongs to God and as such all people are "foreigners and strangers" (Leviticus 25:23), a clear critique of our modern understanding of private property. The accumulation of land and wealth under the rich is a major issue according to many of the prophets, just one example being Isaiah who declared that "Woe be onto those that add house to house and join field to field until no space is left and they live alone in the land" (Isaiah 5:8) I wish I could go on, but there's so many verses against the rich, like you pointed out, that we could go on for days. All this being said, however, I don't actually believe that Jesus was a socialist, but that's just because socialism exists as a modern critique against modern capitalism that didn't exist in 1st century Judea. I do believe though that honestly following the teaching of the Bible and applying them in modernity will lead one towards socialism. To fill the hungry, one must empty the rich and send them away.
@@jasongr3219 Capitalism is direct competition and when you lose you die or get out of the way. This is coming from someone who thinks Capitalism needs to stay. Jesus would not have liked that mentality it creates. Socialism fails not because the concept of everyone working together is false but because no matter what system you adopt, someone always finds a way to be on top and with Socialism that leads to a dictatorship
@@jamesdawson6390 Capitalism isn't competition, what you're describing is the free market, which is complimentary to capitalism but not the same definition. Capitalism means you keep your money without over-taxation. Socialism doesn't necessarily lead to a dictatorship, it often does but doesn't have to. Socialism is wealth-redistribution. If it's full-blown socialism you'll probably get a dictatorship but America has always been socialist to a large degree. Most democracies have socialism, once the public figures out they're allowed to vote themselves money from the public treasury. But as long as there's an open market & enough people keep laws, a dictatorship is incredibly difficult to have. Especially in a place where millions of people have guns.
@@jasongr3219 Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit. Open markets and Capitalism are synonyms and yeah we are not directly Capitalistic which something's should not be for profit anyway
Jesus wasn't a Marxist, but our Lord was indeed the actual founder of socialism. Early Christians lived in communities where they shared everything. And because of it, they lacked nothing. Jesus gave free food, free healthcare and free education. Day by day, he went out to care for the poor and needed, orphans and widows and encouraged the rich to share with those who have less.
People who have a childish view of socialism and whom are not fully educated on the history and nuances of it have no grounds to be telling people what it is. Especially when they are capitalists who need to justify their taking of people's hard earned money through coerced donations. 🙄
So jesus understood that while helping the poor is a virtuous deed, it shouldn't be government mandated. So even he understood the importance of separating church and state
Excuse me? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband?? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
Well, I am not a liberal Christian and I am definitely not a conservative Christian. Both conservative and liberal Christians often ignore parts of the Bible they don't like and explain those parts away as not really all that important or claim a plain reading is wrong. This video is a perfect example of how conservative ideology distorts Biblical teachings to attack a straw man version of social policy it does not like. The Bible overwhelmingly makes it clear that we should be deeply concerned about the poor and take action to care for them. It does not say government is the only way to do it, but it also, importantly, does not proscribe government from taking action. What is telling here, which evinces a chilling coldness to human suffering, is the implication that helping the poor via taxes is wrong or theft. So, if someone cannot afford health care, should we let them die? If children and their family are on the street, should we just let the stay in that condition? Until Christians take over caring for the poor, what should we, the general public, do? Watch?
@Isaiah 53 Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them and your insights. Jesus asked us to do it but did not say governments shouldn’t do it. The Bible doesn’t teach that governments should not help the poor, fund education, build roads, or safeguard the environment, etc. In laying out what Christians should do, Jesus was not saying governments should do nothing related to helping people. Besides the government setup was different in Jesus’ day. Also, Jesus came to save us from sin, not to outline an ideal secular government. We can use Biblical principles as Christians to advocate for what the government should and should not do. I respect your views, I just don’t agree that governments are proscribed from helping the poor. Why offer Venezuela as an example? How about Canada and Britain? Do you think those countries are sinning by providing health care? Are these countries socialist? If the church is not taking care of the poor, should governments stand by and do nothing? Let’s say you are right and we cut off all government aid to the poor and the church is unable or unwilling to handle it. Then what? As a Christian it is my duty to take care of and advocate for the poor. If the church were taking care of the poor this would not be an issue. So until the church takes care of the poor, it is great to advocate for government to fund schools, health care, environmental protections, etc. Thanks again for your comments. 😊
@@gfujigo Actually, there are parts of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, where rulers and nations (governments) are commanded by God to care for the poor and needy, and God judged those rulers and nations for failing to do so. Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Amos are just a few great examples of that.
Nice work! When Jesus returns the 2nd time, it wont be to bring peace and salvation. It will be an invasion to bring justice and to establish His millenial Kingdom on Earth. Halleluja, COME, Lord Jesus!
@@dominicwinterberger1058 Really? Like right now? Is it on the news? CNN or maybe Fox? Do they have pictures? What does this Jesus guy look like? Caucasian white guy or the darker Palestinian version? I mean... he was from the region. What about those guys 300 CE? They already said that Jesus was coming real soon. But they didn't have cameras then. And in 999 CE? Yeah they were sure it was happening real soon... My god... after the hundreds of iterations of "Jesus is coming NOW" that have come and passed you would think people would be a bit more careful... When can I get back to you to see how this is holding up? If he isn't on the news by next year? 5 years? Or is it more of a "spiritual" thing...?
Rainer Alföldi Yeah yeah... if you knew what you are talking about you would know the doctrin of urgency all Christians believe in, Christ could come back any moment. Repent, for the day of salvation is today. If you hate Jesus Christ the Bibel, my words will change nothing. Bye
@@dominicwinterberger1058 Yeah, he "could come back" ... or not. You've been waiting a awfully long time, haven't you? Almost 2000 years now. I just have a hunch people like you will be saying the same in another 2000 years :-) It's all so totally absurd.
Does Capitalism promote this? Do Christian Conservatives follow Jesus? “Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Socialism is political-ideological construct of the 19th century and has very clear definitions. Therefore the early Christians clearly was not socialist. However it can be strongly implied from Acts that they were clearly sympathetic to socialist ideals. This is not an endorsement of socialism, but can a trigger to consider that perhaps modern American capitalism is lacking in social justice. Really important to study the bible oneself to have the confidence to challenge others theology.
There are two additional examples showing how early Christianity isn't socialist. One is found in Matthew 19:16-22, the rich young man. Socialists claim that when Jesus tells the man to sell all that he has and give it to the poor, Jesus shows he is a Socialist. But the young man leaves. So who does Jesus send after the rich young man to take control of his possessions and distribute them and all his wealth? Judas, perhaps? Under Socialism, the rich don't get a choice and government doesn't wait for them to help the poor themselves. Jesus leaves it to the rich young man. The second example is found in James 2:14-16 the writer doesn't advise Christians to petition the government to help the poor, but to help the poor as they can and as they encounter them. Under socialism government sets up a program to take care of the poor.
Nothing wrong with it. Gospels doesn't talk about jurisprudence, politics or rules of running a state. But it did say pay your taxes. So in short let government do their work. And pay your taxes (as jesus said)
Absolutely not. If Jesus were a socialist, he would never have performed any miracles, he would have just screamed about his compassion while demanding the rich did all the work for him with their tax dollars.
In my view, people's financial situation is also Jesus' priority, as He fed 5000 men, and He helped providing a plenty of wine for the couple in Cana. They are clear sign of His grace towards the needy. But it's absolutely not redistribution of wealth. It's His overflowing grace.
You are confusing socialism with communism... so·cial·ism /ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/ noun noun: socialism a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. The people control wealth not the state. The US had several social policies including taxes, unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I don't have children and have been paying for public schools for 15 years. Should we do away with these? Absolutely not. You need to watch what you say. This is the second video I've seen and you share misinformation in both.
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
there was no coercion. Now, if Christ had seized the young man, robbed him of all his riches and then, after pocketing a bit for Himself, gave the rest to the poor, THEN Christ would have been a socialist. He didn’t do that. He advised people to be compassionate and charitable, He never advocated using force to take from one and give to another.
I agree with @Adam Jacklin, we all deserve punishment for our sins, who are we to question what is loving when it comes from a perfect being. This is the second greatest commandment of God! We should strive to listen to it. There is a place for people who avoid following Christ and that is hell. I pray that God guides me, and the whole world down this just path.
So Jesus wasn't a socialist because he wouldn't have forced those with much to contribute to those with little? Maybe force wasn't used, but I'd have to imagine he spoke these words with the weight of Yahweh behind them. From what I understand of the modern Christian movement, you ignore Jesus' teachings at the peril of your soul. But modern Christians conservatives are notoriously selective with their scripture. Jesus says those with an extra shirt or shoes should gift these things to the less fortunate. Ask a modern right wing conservative Christian how he feels about handouts... "Give a poor person my old shoes?! I'd rather burn 'em. Stop asking for a handout and get a job!" Jesus also healed the sick, free of charge. Universal healthcare is another big no-no for these people. Maybe it's time Christians admit they don't agree with Christ about much.
Modern Christian conservatives are in fact very generous to the poor. There are hundreds of organizations that give all kinds of free benefits to the poor. The caricature you present exists purely in your mind.
Hmmm can be questionable whether the parable of the talents is talking about money literally and not figuratively. If viewed from the paradigm that the “Master” is Jesus and the entrusted property is “His teachings”, then the parable is an encouragement towards evangelism not literally financial investments. Which is consistent with his command “do not store up for yourself treasures on earth… but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven…”.
It's fair to say Jesus was neither Capitalist nor Socialist. the only big question would be. but big queststion is would Jesus like this world we have made? we now 815 milion people is suffering from lack of food. people are motivated by more greed then ever before , witch is a deadly sin. so even if Jesus did not proclaim Socialism for his time, i think he would have today.
Jesus is the King of kings, Lord of lords, Monarch of all monarchs, man made idealistic ISM’s don’t actually apply. The church is a body, a family, a royal priesthood not a government.
In Matt 25 Jesus stated, " when you do this to my brethren", who were His brethren? Mankind, Followers of His, or Israel, His physical brethren. If you properly break down that passage it is clear Jesus is not referring to mankind in general, but the treatment of believers by the Nations. The Church is His Body and when they do it to the Church they do it to Him. That passage has been so perverted and twisted to mean different things that do not line up with the context of the passage. In the same book, Jesus gives us the identity of His brethren. Matt. 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
@@rgiardelli When I break down the passage from Matthew 25:31-46, I see nothing that you are talking about. When Jesus talks about the least of these, he’s talking about the least of these of all humanity, not just of Jews or Christians. You’re reading your own interpretation into the text. The text itself refers to all the hungry, all the poor, all the sick, etc. Many have twisted that passage to fit into their “salvation by faith alone” theology, but that interpretation is simply not true.
@@foolishnessofloveministrie2791 So you believe the least of these My brethren refers to all mankind? Jesus earlier in the book says His brothers and sisters are those who do the will of the Father(Matt12:50). Hopefully your earn you earn salvation, good luck. Let me know when you know you have done it and what the line is that you have passsed.
Brilliant? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
That’s a government issue, not God’s issue. You want healing, have faith is free and you get your healing otherwise you can always have the government who may or may not force u to pay insurance.
@@srfrgrl1983 so, you are telling me you can't bring politics to Jesus or religion? But when its convenient to politicians they can bring Jesus or Religion to politics? 🤔
1) So... He didn't ask the Pharisees and the Sadducees to help the poor instead of filling their pockets? The biblical model for helping people consists of things you should want to do. 2) Gleaning and feeding the poor from the corners of your fields was Hebrew Law 3) Jacob didn't split his inheritance, but Esau was just fine. Consider he may have already been well off. 4) Young and able bodied men work harder in competitive spirit... Did he ask them to do more for Monetary gain? I'll stop there, Hebrews were EGALATARIANS not Socialist nor Capitalist. Thats a Westernized mindset placed on those of the Near Eastern Culture.
Lol, good one. Maybe he should read the bible one more time, so he get the meaning of it. Or maybe Jesus ran a business, where he paid minimum wage to his employees?
Each of these points is patently idiotic and you should feel bad. You're cherry-picking Biblical references at random to support your absurd straw-man construct of socialism. You're hyper-simplifying both socialism and Jesus to meet your agenda to create a right-wing propaganda video and from both a political/economic perspective and a Christian perspective... it's pathetic.
Scripture is pretty clear about private property rights and being able to reap the rewards of your own labor. This is a 10 minute video, socialism means you work, I eat. But the Bible teaches that stealing other people's labor/property is immoral. "You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you." Psalm 128:2. Here's some more scripture for you. Exodus 20:15,17, Deut. 5:19,21, 19:14, Proverbs 22:28, Matthew 20:1-16.
It's not "right-wing" propaganda. Go and read the Bible for yourself. If you see the Bible teaching that we should establish a socialist utopia, than good for you. Be sure to preach the actual scripture where it says to do that. But first and foremost, ensure you are bringing people to faith in Jesus Christ as the only Lord and Savior. If you are accomplishing that, than I can live with your socialism to a certain point. In the end we all die and either are saved or not.
@@Psalm144.1 “You work, I eat” is inherent to capitalism. The workers work, the private owners of the means of production reap the rewards. The Bible is against the type of socialism that we are most familiar with (state socialism and Marxian socialism). The type of “socialism” the Bible supports is utopian “socialism.” Read what Christian Socialists and Christian Anarchists have said about this; the system they advocate for. I don’t consider myself a socialist because I don’t want to put the Bible into a political or economic box but it is clear that if economics were modeled of Scripture, it would closely resemble a utopian socialist type system.
Only idiots think that Jesus was a socialist. The Kingdom was not of this world! "The poor" referred to His disciples, and later to the Jerusalem church.
Jesus said "Woe unto to you rich:, and "it is easier for a camel to pass for through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of G-d.." Jesus beat the rich with a whip. in the temple. Jesus kept their money and wealth. Jesus was revolutionary who attacked the state nd died for his efforts, No amount of heretical lies on your part changes that. Repent and save your reprobate soul
The issue is that you are not using the parables in proper context. Jesus was not talking about forms of government or social systems. He was making points on God's nature and relationship to people.
@@srfrgrl1983 Sorry but we created the concept of capitalism vs socialism. Even in the parables this video talks about its clear if you read it it doesn't have anything to do with any socioeconomic system. Just like the parable of the wedding has nothing to do with a wedding. You actually have to think deeply in Christianity to understand the meaning. When Jesus says that you should forgive your brother 7 x 70 times I hope you can understand that he is not saying forgive 490 times. But regardless let me ask you this. If there is an economic system that works better than capitalism and improves people's lives much more without sacrificing our rights. Should we adopt it? If there answer is yes then it means that results are all that should matter. Socialism is evil because it takes our rights away and we don't benefit from it in the long term.
You forgot to mention what Jesus said to the rich man after which he said the symbol of the camel and how difficult is for rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven He didnt tell him ..hey if you want ..redestribute the wealth and follow me.. he told him to do it and than follow him Open your ears people
Joyful Spirit I agree. It’s okay if some people are rich. The problem is when they are rich off the back of poor people or they are obscenely wealthy while there are millions of starving children worldwide.
You're arguing against nothing. Not only have you completely misunderstood (or deliberately falsified) what socialism is, but you're complaining about an arbitrary statement that isn't meant to be taken seriously. Obviously, Jesus wasn't a 'socialist', because he wasn't concerned with economic or political philosophy. No one is making that case. What people mean when they say 'Jesus was a socialist' is that he placed a fundamental importance on not only being compassionate for, but actively helping, the poor; disregarding material wealth in favour of spiritual fulfilment; disavowing greed and hubris, and working collectively against institutionalized tyranny - all tenets of socialist thought. Needless to say, modern "libertarian" capitalism is completely antithetical to the teachings of Jesus. Please, spend half an hour today reading about what socialism / Communism / anarchism actually are before letting these propagandists make your mind up for you. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that Jesus espouses many of the ideas which these philosophies wish to see implemented in society. But don't take my word for it - go and read about it yourself (Wikipedia Will be sufficient), just don't let these fools coax you into unthinking bigotry.
Wouldn’t Jesus and His followers be anarcho-communists? (Libertarian-Left) In Acts the early disciples had a community where they shared all their belongings and their needs were taken care of. It existed within the confines of the Roman rule, but was community ran not a government. Jesus and the early followers were largely libertarian and against the authoritarian regime of the time. Also I don’t think you understand how Christ used parables if you’re using only their literal meaning to uphold your argument. The parable of the workers is telling his followers not to be jealous that people join the faith later in life but still get the same reward. Do you believe either capitalism or socialism would support paying everyone the same for different hours of work? The parable of the men given money was in reference to our faith. Some believers take the gospel and keep it to themselves, hiding from the world. The ones who share the gospel and gather new believers, multiplying their “investment.” It’s not a stretch to say that Christ would support wise financial decisions but it’s misguided to use a parable to support that. Ultimately Christ’s message was against greed in all forms. He says you can’t serve both God and money. He says to pay your taxes and to tithe. He says if someone robs you let them have whatever they want. He says rich men can’t enter the kingdom of heaven, at least not without giving up their possessions. He told the wealthy man to sell his belongings and give the money to the poor. He didn’t say find poor people and put them through tests to measure their merit. Christ’s message was to the powerless and oppressed. Nothing in life is guaranteed, not even justice. But Christ guarantees eternal life. Anyone who lets go of their attachments can build a better world through people.
This isn’t necessarily true, libertarian socialism is about letting the people chose what they want to do which is the opposite of a government forcing people to do things they don’t want to. What it does is allow for more freedom, you aren’t bound to the rules of capitalism, you aren’t bound to a minimum wage job stuck in an apartment, the wealth would be distributed equally, jobs and companies would be run co operatively by the PEOPLE not the government or by one boss who gets all the say in what his workers do and how the business is run! I’m talking true democracy, each persons vote plays a part in the community decisions and in the workplace. The opposite of big government control, I highly recommend doing a little research into what it actually is, not this propaganda, yeah it comes out of someone’s pocket... the rich! They don’t need trillions in excess wealth when people are starving and struggling to get clean water.
The very verse you use to argue Jesus shunning the man is about Jesus shunning greed, excess wealth is the very act of greed. They have money knowing they won’t help everyone they can, the Jesus I know would give all his wealth back to the needy, not keep enough to build a mansion on beach front property and invest in real estate.
Anyone can pick a verse from the Bible to prove their point with their own interpretation. I’ve hear the same thing from your opposition. What you are doing is a slide of hand by adding a small political spin by bringing the state to your argument. Have you’ve heard the eye of the camel?
This man ignores all kinds of scriptures to make his points. Not saying that Jesus was a socialist but you can't take a few scriptures, explain some of them out of context, and use that to prove your point. Totally lost credibility for me.
Context, man, context. That DOES not say steal from someone else using the color of law to do it. IT IS WE WHO DO IT, voluntarily. You cannot fulfill his commands in the flesh anyway. It is a fruit of the Spirit. Which means you cannot make people do it. Their love of God wants them to bear the burdens of others.
@@ygonzalez4134 what about other countries that do a much better job of taking care of the sick and poor, they will be judged as righteous sheep 🐑 and the US will be judged as goats 🐐
Jesus was not for govt forced redistribution, He wasnt against helping the poor. He believed and taught that people should love other people and help them willingly. Socialism is forced redistribution, Jesus was not for that.
Giving and generosity are not the same thing. If you give someone money because someone forces you to, that does not come from a spirit of generosity, and often it leads to resentment, not love.
And the one forcing you is stealing.
To summarize Jesus’, and the Abrahamic God’s thoughts on wealth; “Give your excess money away or you go to hell.” Read a fucking Bible dude, your lack of understanding is crazy LOL
@@cz_alpha Your stupidity is that you know nothing about God. God said to help the poor. He said nothing about going to hell. Jesus did say that those that give much will will receive much. When he told the young rich man that wanted to join him to sell al of His goods. He said nothing about him going to hell. Jesus said it was the love of money that was a sin, not having money. A poor person could love money.
James 5:4 “Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty.”
@@mepp7573 James 5 5 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. Those verses are about one sin, not all of your sins. I always check the verses around 1 verse.
You contradict your other videos with this. In this video you say the Bible teaches "generosity out of love, not compulsion" and therefore you reject a government role concerning this, while in other videos you say "just societes care for the most vulnerable" ("Should a Baby be Aborted if It Will Suffer?") and "Every law is a moral law" ("Morality Should Be Legislated"). This is what happens when American capitalism is put in a religious costume (Prosperity Theology).
I have one question: If someone is incapable to fit into the capitalist economy (e. g. if he is mentally challenged and no one wants to employ the "retard" who is "bad for business") would it be moral when the government does nothing and lets him starve to death?
On your first example, a society doesn't mean government. A just society doesn't have to depend on government to do anything. What it does require is that INDIVIDUALS see suffering and take action themselves to alleviate it, not lobby the government to set up a program.
On your second example, why do you assume that only government takes action. In human history, this is a very recent development, and mentally deficient individuals were cared for by family. There are also plenty of examples of government programs in which the vulnerable - like the mentally incapable - are abused and allowed to die. Government is not a better solution at all.
@@Ferndalien They meant government control in their video when they used the term "just society" because they advocated a ban on abortion. But if, according to you, a "just society doesn't have depend on government to do anything", shouldn't abortion or assisted suicide be legal individual decisions? What if the family lacks the money or decides not to care for a deficient member or if someone is an orphan? Modern public services may be a recent phenomenon but this also goes for modern capitalism. Anyway, government laws caring for the economically weak aren't that new since the Torah already contains a lot of rules regarding that.
@@HussamDwayat abortion should be an individual decision where the baby, once the brain is fully developed at the age of 25, can make his/her decision, while assisted suicide should only be up to the individual, once the patient is able to make a conscious decision, and not to the family, doctors, or government. The correct translation of the ten commandments is "thou shall not murder," instead of the word "kill," where murder means to kill with bad intent. I think adoption is the better solution to abortion. It's understandable if a couple or single mother isn't ready to be a parent or they can't afford the cost, but I think there are a lot of Angelina and Brad Pitt type of people who want to adopt and would love their child as if it were their own. Even if the baby was unplanned or came from something immoral, the baby is still innocent and deserves their own rights to be heard.
Even if life ends up being more difficult, suffering doesn't have to be a bad thing. It says in scripture, that when you suffer, that is God disciplining, and that "the fruit of suffering, is the fruit of righteousness," that because of what you went through, you know not to do it to others. I think orphanages with help from the people could be improved. I had an idea where instead of depending on just the government (social work), some families who work in a farm or field can volunteer to temporarily adopt children who haven't been adopted or are struggling so that they can get used to a family setting early on and then be adopted. The volunteering family acts as a bridge to help connect the orphan and to know that they'll always have a family, as well as being able to patiently wait until they can be adopted at an early age, but if not, they'll be able to stay with the bridge family by his/her own choosing. I say farm since I think it could work better, but it doesn't have to be one.
@@jethdaflip7741Excellent points, but people who do temporary adoption are called foster families and they already exist.
To be honest with you I don't believe Jesus would be a capitalist either. I believe he's beyond these human forms of government.
If Jesus was indeed real then I can see how a being that is beyond a human wouldn’t have any need of subscribing to human systems at all.
@@ericktellez7632 but Jesus wasn’t beyond human. That’s was the point of Christianity in the first place
Jesus was raised in a Jewish society with an economic system that incorporated principles of free enterprise, property ownership, and profit.
Trouble is, socialism isn’t a blanket term. There are many different forms. But of those forms, Jesus would not have been a capitalist.
Point 1: Jesus was in a time under an oppressive government, he understood a systemic issue that was not democratic, this being prior to our current system. But he did condemn the powers of the day for hoarding wealth for themselves, as the religious leaders did. Point 2: Jesus does care for our immediate need, there are many instances of that. Point 3: you are stretching the parable of the talents to the limit, this is just a poor understanding of the parable. Point 4: early Christians lived in a way that was more greatly equitable than the world around them. They were generous and would have likely supported a structure of government that would mirror that, even though they lived under an invasive force.
There is clearly an agenda here, cherry picking scripture and it’s really disheartening.
That is NOT what Matthew 26:11 says! It actually reads "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me." Not a small omission on your part. Why did you feel the need to make up half a Bible verse? This really makes me question your motives.
Indeed! What is your explanation? It weakens your arguments :(
Yes, that's true; the words in bold point signify that it was not part of the original verse; kind of like using italics. However, if you read the entire passage in context, Matthew 26:6-13 or the parallel passage in John 12:1-8, you'll see that the words in bold is the correct exegesis and an important summary lesson of the passage. This is a short video and they don't have 30 minutes of time to preach out the whole thing. Judas said that Mary wasted expensive ointment on Jesus' feet that could have been used for the poor. He said that not because he really cared about the poor. Jesus was pointing out that it was ok to pour expensive ointment on his feet because the poor will always be here. You can help them anytime.
Lmfao imagine unironically posting this trash, merely existing under capitalism mandates coercive labour with the sole goal of creating more wealth for the rich not helping the poor lol
Very packed explanation in such a short video. I also appreciate the summary of points in the end.
There's laws in the Torah as well as writings by many of the prophets that go directly against our modern capitalistic system.
Leviticus 19:9-10 orders land owners to freely give control over parts of their fields and vineyards (two of the central areas of wealth in an agrarian society like ancient Israel) to "the poor and the foreigner".
This was how Ruth and Naomi survived in the Book of Ruth (funny how there's an entire book in the Bible about an immigrant on welfare).
It's also arguably that this is what Matthew 12:1-8 is about since there is no mention about who owned the field the disciples were picking food from and the legal scholars of the time would have had no complaint about eating on the Sabbath, but they would have criticized those who took what belonged to them as the poor as per the above Mosaic passage since that could have been viewed as work/labour. Jesus' response to this is to summarize a passage in 1 Samuel 21 when David is on the run and takes consecrated bread that did not belong to him (technically he is given the bread, but it is debatable how freely this was given since David lied to Ahimelek, but anyways this is not the focus of Jesus' explanation). Jesus then quotes Hosea and says, "God wants mercy, not sacrifice", meaning in this case that David and the disciples were both in the right since God wants society to primarily show mercy towards those that need it (like the poor and foreigners) instead of forcing the poor to sacrifice themselves and the hungry to starve.
The Torah also contains other laws designed to ensure a just society that stands in contrast to our own, such as its ban on charging interest (Leviticus 25:36-37) or reminders that all land belongs to God and as such all people are "foreigners and strangers" (Leviticus 25:23), a clear critique of our modern understanding of private property.
The accumulation of land and wealth under the rich is a major issue according to many of the prophets, just one example being Isaiah who declared that "Woe be onto those that add house to house and join field to field until no space is left and they live alone in the land" (Isaiah 5:8)
I wish I could go on, but there's so many verses against the rich, like you pointed out, that we could go on for days. All this being said, however, I don't actually believe that Jesus was a socialist, but that's just because socialism exists as a modern critique against modern capitalism that didn't exist in 1st century Judea. I do believe though that honestly following the teaching of the Bible and applying them in modernity will lead one towards socialism.
In other words, to fill the hungry, one must empty the rich and send them away.
@Chumnley snoop No, but hopefully others see my comment and decide to read Scripture for themselves instead of relying on a Thinktank sponsered video on TH-cam for all their theological needs.
Levictus 19:15: Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great,but judge your neighbor fairly.
Wonderful videos. Thank you very much.
He certainly didn't advocate capitalism
Cuz capitalism didn't exist. But he in fact told us to respect the property of others and not to have greed.
jesus loved the poor , but he didn't force people to serve the poor, he said "you'll all have the poor among you but you won't always have me."
Uh...Jesus explicitly condemned to hell those who did not take care of the poor. God never forces us to do the right thing, but there are consequences to doing the wrong thing.
@@gfujigo This fucker is so goddamn stupid, talking any sense into these right-wing apes seems pointless as they're so caught up in their fucking tribalism they don't understand that they are on the same side of the poor. America is fucking doomed.
@@sciencesociety2919 i agree, being divisive isnt good, but at this point things are too far gone. The majority of Americans have been propagandized their whole lives that this is the best we can do, and barely any break free. Climate change is gonna start doing serious damage, if it hasnt already, the possibility of nuclear war is as close if not closer than the cold war, and billions of people worldwide live in poverty. Yet there is no real activist movement going on in America. De-unionization has decimated activism since the 80`s, and outside of that no organization is happening unless its for BLM. Sorry for the rant but its the truth, who cares about the youtube comments anyways, the comments section doesnt reflect reality.
@@gfujigo I need the scriptures
@@gamingthisera6339 Matthew 25:31 - 46.
I would disagree with both your assertions and exegesis of Jesus’ teachings. For instance, the Year of Jubilee could easily be understood as a form of equal distribution. Jesus’ parable about the workers who received the same pay for different hours worked, I would view as socialist... everyone getting what they need, not too much and not too little. There are many other things like this in your little clip. I think casting Jesus as a capitalist or a socialist does a disservice to Jesus’ teaching, the cultural reality of an honour based system, and the context of the scripture. I would also challenge what you label as “socialist” as well. Not everything you include is necessary for a political system to be labelled socialist (as is mentioned in another comment).
Except not everything you said is always true globally in general. The generosity through decisions *is not* equal payments within season.
The redistributed wealth to diligent (because Jesus cares more about our hearts than our financial situation) *is not* distribution of equal wealth to everyone (because it's not like everyone needs money and not like everyone is productive for the sake of their faith) Have you heard our faith is already a currency itself? No? Then you wouldn't understand.
Charity is not the same as being forced to give up your money at gun point and threat of imprisonment
Though Jesus definitely did advocate for generosity, not forced charity, I’d say he didn’t advocate against the idea. As you brought up, when Jesus told the man that he was not to be an arbiter between the man’s and his brother’s financial matters. Though he never said us humans should not. The idea of socialism that you express here is a drastic one, rather the one that the vast majority of people are calling for in America (and has proven useful all over the world) is only for major things. Things such as healthcare, which as a Christian I feel we should compel our government (supposedly “for the people, by the people” to help others. As a society we should WANT to help others. Jesus wants us to love eachother, and I’d say a democratic system promoting the sharing of wealth (as the early Christians did) shows love. Is Jesus a socialist? No, but he wasn’t isn’t a capitalist either.
Yes, we (especially as Christians) should "want" to help others, but should we force people to help others? Even the courts have avoided prosecuting onlookers who could have helped victims, but didn't. Socialism increases government power over our lives in the name of doing good. If our citizens are really good, they can voluntarily give of themselves.
One of the key points of Christianity is a personal concern for others. Government acts very impersonally. Why would you want your paycheck taxes to be sent as a payment to someone in need (who on closer inspection may not really be in need)? I have worked with inner-city poor and find that far more good is done when one person voluntarily gets involved in someone else's life. This builds relationships, allows for better discernment of root issues behind needs, allows for discipleship, promotes gratitude (how many thank the government for checks?), and even helps me to better understand others.
Socialism is generally advocated because people want what others have, want others to have things without it costing them very much, politicians want it as a way of gaining power over others, and many others simply fail to recognize the social underpinnings of character - they tend to believe that a check solves most problems.
Capitalism alone can breed greed; healthy capitalism is built upon a strong Christian foundation of love. Put these together under a limited government and you have liberty. Add a coercive socialized government and liberty decreases - every time.
Jesus doesn't want us to force people to give. As a Christian you should be directly against socialism duely because of that fact.
Well said! A government should restrict evil. While most wealthy individuals have not grown their wealth through direct malice, many "capitalist" decisions have resulted in damaging and even deadly results amongst the working class. The systemic prioritization of the powerful over the vulnerable is evil.
Totally agree with you. If we have no problems with public schools, public roads, etc. then we should have health care like every other modern nation provides for its citizens. People are dying because of lack of access to good health care. It’s in the public interest just like education and roads.
@@gfujigo You are mistaken, these nations you speak of. I assume you are referring to Canada, European countries, Australia and East Asian countries don't have the utopian paradise you envision. People are not dying because of lack of good health care, there's no evidence to support this. Are you aware that hospitals in UK and Canada have overcrowding problems and keep in mind that these countries have a fewer population than America has. It's not a sin to desire for the government to have programs but it's not a commandment and you should definitely not preach and say a Christian should support these programs. Another thing I may ask is where do you draw the line? Humans also need food and shelter, should the government also provide that? If you see the economic complications you will realize that when the government takes control of many aspects of public services the quality tends to diminish.
Very helpful. Planning on using this for discussion with our three teenage daughters over dinner!
Hope it goes well!
Helpful? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband?? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
To the editors...your citation of the verse at time marker 1:43 should be Mark 14:7. Matthew 26 citation is similar but doesn't include "any time you want" which Mark does. Both verses are from the same event Bethany before the Passover.
He was definitely anti-capitalist
excellent video, as always.
Jesus told people to help each other, but this did not mean for them to take money from others and distribute it. It was to be given, not taken.
0:51 That's literally not what socialism is tho... Socialism is a political ideology that aims to give workers shared ownership of the tools, land, and buildings that they use to make products or provide services.
Your channel has great content. Keep up the great work!
Read the story of The Rich Man and Lazarus told by Jesus, then you will see what he said about those who hoarded wealth and neglected the poor.
Nobody said Jesus was for hoarding wealth and neglecting the poor. He wasn’t for that at all but he also wasn’t for the rich man being forced to give up 50% of his wealth to help the poor. If that’s what was in the rich mans heart to do then Jesus would’ve been fine with that but it’s not something he’d tell people to do. Jesus is 100% ok with people being rich but he strongly believes the wealthy should help the poor, but that’s not a socialist view point it’s just a generous one. Jesus wants us to help the poor through our own decision making, not the government forcing it
@@HH-pj6he Socialism isnt about 'forcing' the rich to give up their wealth. Its about creating a system where the wealth isnt funnelled unfairly to individuals or small groups of ppl who are then able to monopolize and bully and control others. Instead, workers, whose skill, time and labour go into helping those companies become a success, also get a fair slice of the pie. You do realize that lots of company owners inherited their wealth to start up a company? Many others went to the government and were given tax payers money (socialism) for 'research and developtment' purposes to be able to start that business.
If we lived in a truly capitalist system, why are banks and corporations bailed out with tax payers money (socialism bailing out capitalism) and then public services being cut? Or tax breaks for the rich which also equals public service cuts - if indeed you want to bring up the subject of force?
Consider property. How can a single person own thousands and thousands of acres of farmland...land that has been there for millions of years? How can one person be in charge of land that can feed millions of ppl? Tell me, you happy with that arrangement? That Bezos and Bill gates can be in control of what ppl eat to that degree?
As for Jesus, he told one man 'sell everything, give it to the poor then come follow me.' I think that gives a pretty good idea about Jesus attitude to wealth and its importance. Or consider the story of the rich man and Lazarus. True, Jesus didnt force ppl to do anything. But he did warn of God's punishment towards those who lived lives of great wealth and neglected the poor. Consider this verse by James, Jesus brother:
◄ James 5
Warning to Rich Oppressors
1Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. a 6You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
@@aguitarcalledchutzpah Amen to that.
There's laws in the Torah that go directly against our modern capitalistic system as well as writings by many of the prophets.
Leviticus 19:9-10 orders land owners to freely give control over parts of their fields and vineyards (two of the central areas of wealth in an agrarian society like ancient Israel) to "the poor and the foreigner".
This was how Ruth and Naomi survived in the Book of Ruth (funny how there's an entire book in the Bible about an immigrant on welfare).
It's also arguably that this is what Matthew 12:1-8 is about since there is no mention about who owned the field the disciples were picking food from and the legal scholars of the time would have had no complaint about eating on the Sabbath, but they would have criticized those who took what belonged to them as the poor as per the above Mosaic passage since that could have been viewed as work/labour. Jesus' response to this is to summarize a passage in 1 Samuel 21 when David is on the run and takes consecrated bread that did not belong to him (technically he is given the bread, but it is debatable how freely this was given since David lied to Ahimelek, but anyways this is not the focus the Jesus' explanation). Jesus then quotes Hosea and says, "God wants mercy, not sacrifice", meaning in this case that David and the disciples were both in the right since God wants society to primarily show mercy towards those that need it (like the poor and foreigners) instead of forcing the poor to sacrifice themselves and the hungry to starve.
The Torah also contains other laws designed to ensure a just society that stands in contrast to our own, such as its ban on charging interest (Leviticus 25:36-37) or reminders that all land belongs to God and as such all people are "foreigners and strangers" (Leviticus 25:23), a clear critique of our modern understanding of private property.
The accumulation of land and wealth under the rich is a major issue according to many of the prophets, just one example being Isaiah who declared that "Woe be onto those that add house to house and join field to field until no space is left and they live alone in the land" (Isaiah 5:8)
I wish I could go on, but there's so many verses against the rich, like you pointed out, that we could go on for days. All this being said, however, I don't actually believe that Jesus was a socialist, but that's just because socialism exists as a modern critique against modern capitalism that didn't exist in 1st century Judea. I do believe though that honestly following the teaching of the Bible and applying them in modernity will lead one towards socialism.
To fill the hungry, one must empty the rich and send them away.
@@HH-pj6he If thats the case why does the Rich Man end up in hell if helping the poor, Lazarus in the story, is voluntary?
@@kaibrattan3568 Some great examples there. I will make a note of them as future examples to provide. Thanks very much.
Jesus did directly speak against the aquisition of wealth and that would make him more Socialist than Capitalist
His thing was "sell all your possessions and give to the poor." Idk if it only applied to personal choice or if it was governmental.
@@jasongr3219 Capitalism is direct competition and when you lose you die or get out of the way. This is coming from someone who thinks Capitalism needs to stay. Jesus would not have liked that mentality it creates. Socialism fails not because the concept of everyone working together is false but because no matter what system you adopt, someone always finds a way to be on top and with Socialism that leads to a dictatorship
@@jamesdawson6390 Capitalism isn't competition, what you're describing is the free market, which is complimentary to capitalism but not the same definition. Capitalism means you keep your money without over-taxation. Socialism doesn't necessarily lead to a dictatorship, it often does but doesn't have to. Socialism is wealth-redistribution. If it's full-blown socialism you'll probably get a dictatorship but America has always been socialist to a large degree. Most democracies have socialism, once the public figures out they're allowed to vote themselves money from the public treasury. But as long as there's an open market & enough people keep laws, a dictatorship is incredibly difficult to have. Especially in a place where millions of people have guns.
@@jasongr3219
Capitalism is often thought of as an economic system in which private actors own and control property in accord with their interests, and demand and supply freely set prices in markets in a way that can serve the best interests of society. The essential feature of capitalism is the motive to make a profit.
Open markets and Capitalism are synonyms and yeah we are not directly Capitalistic which something's should not be for profit anyway
@@jasongr3219 Socialism is government controlled business and that kind of power has always corrupted those in those governments, aka dictators
Very well done and an excellent presentation of what we as Christians are called to be. Keep up the great videos!
@@whatwouldyousaytcc are you make another content like What Bible or Jesus say about other political views?
Jesus wasn't a Marxist, but our Lord was indeed the actual founder of socialism.
Early Christians lived in communities where they shared everything. And because of it, they lacked nothing.
Jesus gave free food, free healthcare and free education.
Day by day, he went out to care for the poor and needed, orphans and widows and encouraged the rich to share with those who have less.
Very good. I knew that "Jesus was a socialist" was flawed but I could not articulate why. Thanks for this.
I enjoyed this. Good information that certainly felt balanced. Thank you.
Lol
Confirmation bias…
The shares talked about in the Parable of the Talents are the possibilities that one has to help others- definitely not about money!!!
Wow what a video! Thank you my brother in Christ! May He bless you!
Jesus was compassionate, not a socialist. There is a huge difference.
This whole channel is for people who think screaming when talking makes their argument more valid.
the smooth graphics trick people into being spoon-fed these bullshit arguments to counter absolutely anything progressive 😂
People who have a childish view of socialism and whom are not fully educated on the history and nuances of it have no grounds to be telling people what it is. Especially when they are capitalists who need to justify their taking of people's hard earned money through coerced donations. 🙄
man, that jesus guy is a lot less cool than I thougt, he's not even a socialist.
#1 point, wrong.
You don’t know what socialism is
What specific policy’s are evil and also how can a diverse economic system be evil
So jesus understood that while helping the poor is a virtuous deed, it shouldn't be government mandated. So even he understood the importance of separating church and state
Excuse me? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband?? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
Wow! Who’s the dislikes? 🤔 Dudes pretty good and uses scripture to make his case. 👍🏾
Thank you for this great video! More liberal Christians need to hear this.
Well, I am not a liberal Christian and I am definitely not a conservative Christian. Both conservative and liberal Christians often ignore parts of the Bible they don't like and explain those parts away as not really all that important or claim a plain reading is wrong. This video is a perfect example of how conservative ideology distorts Biblical teachings to attack a straw man version of social policy it does not like.
The Bible overwhelmingly makes it clear that we should be deeply concerned about the poor and take action to care for them. It does not say government is the only way to do it, but it also, importantly, does not proscribe government from taking action. What is telling here, which evinces a chilling coldness to human suffering, is the implication that helping the poor via taxes is wrong or theft.
So, if someone cannot afford health care, should we let them die? If children and their family are on the street, should we just let the stay in that condition? Until Christians take over caring for the poor, what should we, the general public, do? Watch?
@Isaiah 53
Thanks for your comments. I appreciate them and your insights.
Jesus asked us to do it but did not say governments shouldn’t do it. The Bible doesn’t teach that governments should not help the poor, fund education, build roads, or safeguard the environment, etc. In laying out what Christians should do, Jesus was not saying governments should do nothing related to helping people. Besides the government setup was different in Jesus’ day. Also, Jesus came to save us from sin, not to outline an ideal secular government. We can use Biblical principles as Christians to advocate for what the government should and should not do. I respect your views, I just don’t agree that governments are proscribed from helping the poor.
Why offer Venezuela as an example? How about Canada and Britain? Do you think those countries are sinning by providing health care? Are these countries socialist? If the church is not taking care of the poor, should governments stand by and do nothing? Let’s say you are right and we cut off all government aid to the poor and the church is unable or unwilling to handle it. Then what?
As a Christian it is my duty to take care of and advocate for the poor. If the church were taking care of the poor this would not be an issue. So until the church takes care of the poor, it is great to advocate for government to fund schools, health care, environmental protections, etc.
Thanks again for your comments. 😊
@@gfujigo Actually, there are parts of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, where rulers and nations (governments) are commanded by God to care for the poor and needy, and God judged those rulers and nations for failing to do so. Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Amos are just a few great examples of that.
@@foolishnessofloveministrie2791 Thanks. I will look that up.
Nice work!
When Jesus returns the 2nd time, it wont be to bring peace and salvation. It will be an invasion to bring justice and to establish His millenial Kingdom on Earth. Halleluja, COME, Lord Jesus!
Is that irony, cynicism or are you serious? "An invasion to bring justice, not peace and salvation"? Really hard to see if you're trolling or not :-)
Rainer Alföldi there will be peace after the judgement, but the time of salvation in the Lord Jesus Christ is now.
@@dominicwinterberger1058 Really? Like right now? Is it on the news? CNN or maybe Fox? Do they have pictures? What does this Jesus guy look like? Caucasian white guy or the darker Palestinian version? I mean... he was from the region. What about those guys 300 CE? They already said that Jesus was coming real soon. But they didn't have cameras then. And in 999 CE? Yeah they were sure it was happening real soon... My god... after the hundreds of iterations of "Jesus is coming NOW" that have come and passed you would think people would be a bit more careful... When can I get back to you to see how this is holding up? If he isn't on the news by next year? 5 years? Or is it more of a "spiritual" thing...?
Rainer Alföldi Yeah yeah... if you knew what you are talking about you would know the doctrin of urgency all Christians believe in, Christ could come back any moment.
Repent, for the day of salvation is today.
If you hate Jesus Christ the Bibel, my words will change nothing. Bye
@@dominicwinterberger1058 Yeah, he "could come back" ... or not. You've been waiting a awfully long time, haven't you? Almost 2000 years now. I just have a hunch people like you will be saying the same in another 2000 years :-) It's all so totally absurd.
Very helpful.
So, essentially, you’re saying to be a Christian but not have Jesus’s teachings guide the government you live under.
Does Capitalism promote this? Do Christian Conservatives follow Jesus? “Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Capitalism is taking from the ones that don’t have and giving to the ones that have; it’s also by laws written by lobbyists.
Jesus: "Help the poor by giving them your money."
Socialists: "Help the poor by giving them your neighbor's money."
Socialism is political-ideological construct of the 19th century and has very clear definitions. Therefore the early Christians clearly was not socialist. However it can be strongly implied from Acts that they were clearly sympathetic to socialist ideals. This is not an endorsement of socialism, but can a trigger to consider that perhaps modern American capitalism is lacking in social justice. Really important to study the bible oneself to have the confidence to challenge others theology.
There are two additional examples showing how early Christianity isn't socialist. One is found in Matthew 19:16-22, the rich young man. Socialists claim that when Jesus tells the man to sell all that he has and give it to the poor, Jesus shows he is a Socialist. But the young man leaves.
So who does Jesus send after the rich young man to take control of his possessions and distribute them and all his wealth? Judas, perhaps? Under Socialism, the rich don't get a choice and government doesn't wait for them to help the poor themselves. Jesus leaves it to the rich young man.
The second example is found in James 2:14-16 the writer doesn't advise Christians to petition the government to help the poor, but to help the poor as they can and as they encounter them. Under socialism government sets up a program to take care of the poor.
Nothing wrong with it.
Gospels doesn't talk about jurisprudence, politics or rules of running a state. But it did say pay your taxes.
So in short let government do their work. And pay your taxes (as jesus said)
Absolutely not. If Jesus were a socialist, he would never have performed any miracles, he would have just screamed about his compassion while demanding the rich did all the work for him with their tax dollars.
In my view, people's financial situation is also Jesus' priority, as He fed 5000 men, and He helped providing a plenty of wine for the couple in Cana.
They are clear sign of His grace towards the needy.
But it's absolutely not redistribution of wealth. It's His overflowing grace.
Half truth...
You are confusing socialism with communism...
so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun
noun: socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
The people control wealth not the state. The US had several social policies including taxes, unemployment, social security, and Medicare. I don't have children and have been paying for public schools for 15 years. Should we do away with these? Absolutely not. You need to watch what you say. This is the second video I've seen and you share misinformation in both.
Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
there was no coercion. Now, if Christ had seized the young man, robbed him of all his riches and then, after pocketing a bit for Himself, gave the rest to the poor, THEN Christ would have been a socialist. He didn’t do that. He advised people to be compassionate and charitable, He never advocated using force to take from one and give to another.
I’m not advocating for Socialism. Jesus was no fan of any monetary system.
I enjoyed your explanation, thank you
"Love they neighbor....OR ELSE" - Jesus Christ
Yeah no.
Its called hell
@@adamjacklin2356
You mean socialism?
No the or else is hell
@@adamjacklin2356
How "loving"
I agree with @Adam Jacklin, we all deserve punishment for our sins, who are we to question what is loving when it comes from a perfect being. This is the second greatest commandment of God! We should strive to listen to it. There is a place for people who avoid following Christ and that is hell. I pray that God guides me, and the whole world down this just path.
Comrade Christ.
So Jesus wasn't a socialist because he wouldn't have forced those with much to contribute to those with little?
Maybe force wasn't used, but I'd have to imagine he spoke these words with the weight of Yahweh behind them. From what I understand of the modern Christian movement, you ignore Jesus' teachings at the peril of your soul.
But modern Christians conservatives are notoriously selective with their scripture. Jesus says those with an extra shirt or shoes should gift these things to the less fortunate. Ask a modern right wing conservative Christian how he feels about handouts... "Give a poor person my old shoes?! I'd rather burn 'em. Stop asking for a handout and get a job!"
Jesus also healed the sick, free of charge. Universal healthcare is another big no-no for these people.
Maybe it's time Christians admit they don't agree with Christ about much.
Modern Christian conservatives are in fact very generous to the poor. There are hundreds of organizations that give all kinds of free benefits to the poor. The caricature you present exists purely in your mind.
Acts of Apostles 4: 32 - 36 makes it clear Jesus was a communist. The Apostles coerced all disciples to sell their property to help the needy.
Jesus came to emancipate the mankind not to enslave the rich.
The 4 points was very insightful and needs some thinking about each of them.
no Jesus was not socialist.
But he was a Democratic Socialist
What Would you say to God ? Huh ?
I would look at the sky, looking at God, and say...
God
Lean back
Your blocking the sunshine
😂🤣😂😂
Hmmm can be questionable whether the parable of the talents is talking about money literally and not figuratively. If viewed from the paradigm that the “Master” is Jesus and the entrusted property is “His teachings”, then the parable is an encouragement towards evangelism not literally financial investments. Which is consistent with his command “do not store up for yourself treasures on earth… but store up for yourselves treasures in heaven…”.
It's fair to say Jesus was neither Capitalist nor Socialist.
the only big question would be.
but big queststion is would Jesus like this world we have made?
we now 815 milion people is suffering from lack of food.
people are motivated by more greed then ever before , witch is a deadly sin.
so even if Jesus did not proclaim Socialism for his time, i think he would have today.
Jesus is the King of kings, Lord of lords, Monarch of all monarchs, man made idealistic ISM’s don’t actually apply. The church is a body, a family, a royal priesthood not a government.
He ignored the Judgement of Nations scripture
In Matt 25 Jesus stated, " when you do this to my brethren", who were His brethren? Mankind, Followers of His, or Israel, His physical brethren. If you properly break down that passage it is clear Jesus is not referring to mankind in general, but the treatment of believers by the Nations. The Church is His Body and when they do it to the Church they do it to Him. That passage has been so perverted and twisted to mean different things that do not line up with the context of the passage. In the same book, Jesus gives us the identity of His brethren.
Matt. 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
@@rgiardelli When I break down the passage from Matthew 25:31-46, I see nothing that you are talking about. When Jesus talks about the least of these, he’s talking about the least of these of all humanity, not just of Jews or Christians. You’re reading your own interpretation into the text. The text itself refers to all the hungry, all the poor, all the sick, etc. Many have twisted that passage to fit into their “salvation by faith alone” theology, but that interpretation is simply not true.
@@foolishnessofloveministrie2791 So you believe the least of these My brethren refers to all mankind? Jesus earlier in the book says His brothers and sisters are those who do the will of the Father(Matt12:50). Hopefully your earn you earn salvation, good luck. Let me know when you know you have done it and what the line is that you have passsed.
This is brilliant!
Brilliant? In letters of apostles, they explicitly mention that the Christian commune must give away MOST of their money! Remember Sapphira and her husband? Read the Letters at the end of the Bible maybe?
If Jesus was some sort of political person, he would definitely fit in with the ideas of socialism than with capitalism
Excellent! Thank you.
What about Healthcare? Would Jesus make his people pay health insurance? 🤔
no jesus will give it for free
Yes he would.
@@ygonzalez4134 ok, Jesus was a Capitalist, Thanks! 👍
That’s a government issue, not God’s issue. You want healing, have faith is free and you get your healing otherwise you can always have the government who may or may not force u to pay insurance.
@@srfrgrl1983 so, you are telling me you can't bring politics to Jesus or religion? But when its convenient to politicians they can bring Jesus or Religion to politics? 🤔
1) So... He didn't ask the Pharisees and the Sadducees to help the poor instead of filling their pockets? The biblical model for helping people consists of things you should want to do. 2) Gleaning and feeding the poor from the corners of your fields was Hebrew Law 3) Jacob didn't split his inheritance, but Esau was just fine. Consider he may have already been well off. 4) Young and able bodied men work harder in competitive spirit... Did he ask them to do more for Monetary gain? I'll stop there, Hebrews were EGALATARIANS not Socialist nor Capitalist. Thats a Westernized mindset placed on those of the Near Eastern Culture.
As socialism/capitalism were not concepts familiar to Jesus and his society THIS POST MISSES THE POINT BIG TIME
Lol, good one.
Maybe he should read the bible one more time, so he get the meaning of it.
Or maybe Jesus ran a business, where he paid minimum wage to his employees?
Did this video just get an extra 100 likes today? awesome!
So forcing the poor to work harder while the rich do nothing is what Jesus would like? You think he is a capitalist?
There is no truth to any religion, nor any other supernatural/spiritual belief.
Each of these points is patently idiotic and you should feel bad. You're cherry-picking Biblical references at random to support your absurd straw-man construct of socialism. You're hyper-simplifying both socialism and Jesus to meet your agenda to create a right-wing propaganda video and from both a political/economic perspective and a Christian perspective... it's pathetic.
It's cutting isn't it....like a two-edged sword.
@@margaretlockhart3977 I'm not sure what point you're making.
Scripture is pretty clear about private property rights and being able to reap the rewards of your own labor. This is a 10 minute video, socialism means you work, I eat. But the Bible teaches that stealing other people's labor/property is immoral. "You shall eat the fruit of the labor of your hands; you shall be blessed, and it shall be well with you." Psalm 128:2. Here's some more scripture for you. Exodus 20:15,17, Deut. 5:19,21, 19:14, Proverbs 22:28, Matthew 20:1-16.
It's not "right-wing" propaganda. Go and read the Bible for yourself. If you see the Bible teaching that we should establish a socialist utopia, than good for you. Be sure to preach the actual scripture where it says to do that. But first and foremost, ensure you are bringing people to faith in Jesus Christ as the only Lord and Savior. If you are accomplishing that, than I can live with your socialism to a certain point. In the end we all die and either are saved or not.
@@Psalm144.1 “You work, I eat” is inherent to capitalism. The workers work, the private owners of the means of production reap the rewards. The Bible is against the type of socialism that we are most familiar with (state socialism and Marxian socialism). The type of “socialism” the Bible supports is utopian “socialism.” Read what Christian Socialists and Christian Anarchists have said about this; the system they advocate for. I don’t consider myself a socialist because I don’t want to put the Bible into a political or economic box but it is clear that if economics were modeled of Scripture, it would closely resemble a utopian socialist type system.
Read a book.
Yes
Lmao you don't even know what socialism is
Socialism is when the government points a gun to your head and says "love thy neighbor... It's the law"
How about you define what socialism is?
I know enough to know that it's evil when fully implemented.
@@GallowayJesse Socialism is when the people point a gun at your head and say, "love thy neighbor over profit."
You're thinking of communism.
Early Christians were required to sell everything and give it to the church or the poor. Fact.
1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
Amazing..... Content
Only idiots think that Jesus was a socialist. The Kingdom was not of this world! "The poor" referred to His disciples, and later to the Jerusalem church.
It is easier for a camel...........
Jesus said "Woe unto to you rich:, and "it is easier for a camel to pass for through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of G-d.." Jesus beat the rich with a whip. in the temple. Jesus kept their money and wealth. Jesus was revolutionary who attacked the state nd died for his efforts, No amount of heretical lies on your part changes that. Repent and save your reprobate soul
Would Jesus have been considered a socialist in his time? There was no such concept. However if he were alive today he would be a socialist.
Nope
No, Sir, Jesus was not a socialist.
The issue is that you are not using the parables in proper context. Jesus was not talking about forms of government or social systems. He was making points on God's nature and relationship to people.
Well even more because this is how God think, his nature which is more similar to the good part of capitalism (not the bad part of it).
@@srfrgrl1983 Sorry but we created the concept of capitalism vs socialism. Even in the parables this video talks about its clear if you read it it doesn't have anything to do with any socioeconomic system. Just like the parable of the wedding has nothing to do with a wedding. You actually have to think deeply in Christianity to understand the meaning.
When Jesus says that you should forgive your brother 7 x 70 times I hope you can understand that he is not saying forgive 490 times.
But regardless let me ask you this. If there is an economic system that works better than capitalism and improves people's lives much more without sacrificing our rights. Should we adopt it?
If there answer is yes then it means that results are all that should matter. Socialism is evil because it takes our rights away and we don't benefit from it in the long term.
You forgot to mention what Jesus said to the rich man after which he said the symbol of the camel and how difficult is for rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven
He didnt tell him ..hey if you want ..redestribute the wealth and follow me.. he told him to do it and than follow him
Open your ears people
Wealth is not the problem, the love of money is the problem.
Abraham, Isaac, David, Solomon, etc had great wealth. Did they go to hell? No!
Joyful Spirit I agree. It’s okay if some people are rich. The problem is when they are rich off the back of poor people or they are obscenely wealthy while there are millions of starving children worldwide.
@@joyfulspirit forgot Job
Watching this video takes me back to Sunday mornings on the plantation when master would explain how to be good slaves according to Jesus.
Whover states that Jesus is a socialist does not know who Jesus is or neither what is to be a socialist
Same for whoever states he was a capitalist or supports capitalism.
Love this. Great description of of socialism, too.
You're arguing against nothing. Not only have you completely misunderstood (or deliberately falsified) what socialism is, but you're complaining about an arbitrary statement that isn't meant to be taken seriously.
Obviously, Jesus wasn't a 'socialist', because he wasn't concerned with economic or political philosophy. No one is making that case. What people mean when they say 'Jesus was a socialist' is that he placed a fundamental importance on not only being compassionate for, but actively helping, the poor; disregarding material wealth in favour of spiritual fulfilment; disavowing greed and hubris, and working collectively against institutionalized tyranny - all tenets of socialist thought. Needless to say, modern "libertarian" capitalism is completely antithetical to the teachings of Jesus.
Please, spend half an hour today reading about what socialism / Communism / anarchism actually are before letting these propagandists make your mind up for you. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to find that Jesus espouses many of the ideas which these philosophies wish to see implemented in society.
But don't take my word for it - go and read about it yourself (Wikipedia Will be sufficient), just don't let these fools coax you into unthinking bigotry.
Wouldn’t Jesus and His followers be anarcho-communists? (Libertarian-Left)
In Acts the early disciples had a community where they shared all their belongings and their needs were taken care of. It existed within the confines of the Roman rule, but was community ran not a government. Jesus and the early followers were largely libertarian and against the authoritarian regime of the time.
Also I don’t think you understand how Christ used parables if you’re using only their literal meaning to uphold your argument. The parable of the workers is telling his followers not to be jealous that people join the faith later in life but still get the same reward. Do you believe either capitalism or socialism would support paying everyone the same for different hours of work? The parable of the men given money was in reference to our faith. Some believers take the gospel and keep it to themselves, hiding from the world. The ones who share the gospel and gather new believers, multiplying their “investment.” It’s not a stretch to say that Christ would support wise financial decisions but it’s misguided to use a parable to support that.
Ultimately Christ’s message was against greed in all forms. He says you can’t serve both God and money. He says to pay your taxes and to tithe. He says if someone robs you let them have whatever they want. He says rich men can’t enter the kingdom of heaven, at least not without giving up their possessions. He told the wealthy man to sell his belongings and give the money to the poor. He didn’t say find poor people and put them through tests to measure their merit.
Christ’s message was to the powerless and oppressed. Nothing in life is guaranteed, not even justice. But Christ guarantees eternal life. Anyone who lets go of their attachments can build a better world through people.
This isn’t necessarily true, libertarian socialism is about letting the people chose what they want to do which is the opposite of a government forcing people to do things they don’t want to. What it does is allow for more freedom, you aren’t bound to the rules of capitalism, you aren’t bound to a minimum wage job stuck in an apartment, the wealth would be distributed equally, jobs and companies would be run co operatively by the PEOPLE not the government or by one boss who gets all the say in what his workers do and how the business is run! I’m talking true democracy, each persons vote plays a part in the community decisions and in the workplace. The opposite of big government control, I highly recommend doing a little research into what it actually is, not this propaganda, yeah it comes out of someone’s pocket... the rich! They don’t need trillions in excess wealth when people are starving and struggling to get clean water.
The very verse you use to argue Jesus shunning the man is about Jesus shunning greed, excess wealth is the very act of greed. They have money knowing they won’t help everyone they can, the Jesus I know would give all his wealth back to the needy, not keep enough to build a mansion on beach front property and invest in real estate.
It’s not about putting faith in the government it’s about putting faith in each other. From a librarian socialist
Anyone can pick a verse from the Bible to prove their point with their own interpretation. I’ve hear the same thing from your opposition. What you are doing is a slide of hand by adding a small political spin by bringing the state to your argument. Have you’ve heard the eye of the camel?
Perhaps, you should change the title to: "Was Jesus a Socialist? "
no
This man ignores all kinds of scriptures to make his points. Not saying that Jesus was a socialist but you can't take a few scriptures, explain some of them out of context, and use that to prove your point. Totally lost credibility for me.
Bear the burdens of each other and fulfill the law of Christ.---Galatians 6-2
Context, man, context. That DOES not say steal from someone else using the color of law to do it. IT IS WE WHO DO IT, voluntarily. You cannot fulfill his commands in the flesh anyway. It is a fruit of the Spirit. Which means you cannot make people do it. Their love of God wants them to bear the burdens of others.
@@ygonzalez4134 what about other countries that do a much better job of taking care of the sick and poor, they will be judged as righteous sheep 🐑 and the US will be judged as goats 🐐
I guess Jesus would be a Republican guys
that's a fact why do you think so many Republicans claim to be Christians
Heard this word from the mouth of the Socialist Government Prim minister of Malta in 1973 Dom. Mintoff
Except not true globally in general.
@@davidgumazon Exactly I am speaking about Malta and in my life time
To say Jesus isn’t concerned with the financial situation of the poor is so wrong
Jesus was not for govt forced redistribution, He wasnt against helping the poor. He believed and taught that people should love other people and help them willingly. Socialism is forced redistribution, Jesus was not for that.