Lol!!😂 Yeah, we exhausted all options for longer range at the farthest whitetail target and the only target available further where the IPSC and the Square. Kind of a cool problem to have if I'm honest! Pretty awesome to see that 450 pushed that far!
I just killed a deer at 180 yards with my 450 Bushmaster. It was also a high wind day. Completely comfortable with up to 250 yards. 300 yards is a maybe for me
@@spldrongOld legends. Inferior powder, bullets, guns, knowledge means tall tales were created. Not saying one guy didn’t aim his rifle towards the sun and drop a buffalo on the horizon, but luck was involved
@@blauer2551 I have seen some tests of older milsurp rifles where they go from 100 to 1000 and many of the rifles do surprisingly well with the right load and shooter Guess we need MDT to bring on a 1870s sharps rifle next and see what they can do
I've got a Ruger American Ranch that I'm getting and have been looking at a magazine upgrade. Do you know if the Lucky13 308/243 mags will fit/feed properly?
Might as well have fired that 450 Bushmaster from an artillery cradle with that firing solution! Not much of a comparison, but fun to watch and you raised some good considerations about trueing muzzle velocity under ideal atmospheric conditions, stationary target, etc. Unfortunately lots of people don't think about those kinds of things and figure if they hit a target once at a certain range then they can hunt at that range. Another consideration is being able to hit the vitals with a COLD BORE SHOT. I'm also wondering what kind of ammunition you are using in the 6.5 CM. I'd assume FMJ, which shouldn't be used for hunting. While I believe an animal can be taken with a well-placed shot, they (Elk, Moose) also do seem to take longer to expire if there isn't sufficient energy and a 6.5 CM definitely doesn't have the energy needed for some of those animal silhouettes (e.g. the Moose) at the ranges they were being shot at.
With reloading and tuning. I will say my best was 1 moa at 315 yards in a three shot group. Ruger scout. If I can shoot watermelon and tennis balls at 300 yards im more than happy. That being said. All my hunts have been in 150 yards. Running or walking I've gotten hearts on over 20 deer with factory loads. One of Iowa's and my best decisions ever. Second was a muzzle redirect.
For the record you only have to use straight-walled cartridges in shotgun only zones here in Michigan. Outside of those you can still use necked down cartridges.
Interesting to see, I'd never shoot mine past 150 yards typically. I'm not down in the straight wall section of Michigan though, so if I'm going somewhere I may have a longer shot, I have the 6.5 Grendel bolt & AR as well as a .308 and a 7mm Mag. Definitely leave the long range to one of them. ;)
I like the 6.5 creedmoor it is a versatile round. Look at the creedmoor stats at under a 1000 yards. I have never shot a moose with a 6.5 creedmoor, so I am putting this out there... Would that impact the moose's vital organs or would you need a follow up shot?
While the 6.5CM is a great round, shot placement matters more than anything. However, I'd likely go up to a 7mm or 30cal for a moose to ensure a clean harvest.
@@FrancisColonPRS I agree that you need a well placed shot regardless of the cartridge. I was just wondering if it is ethical to shoot the 6.5 cm cartridge at a moose. I have used a .270 win mag but I like the BC of the 6.5 cm.
@@gizmohuntsI would think with a properly constructed bullet, like a 140 accubond or Barnes TSX it would work fine inside of maybe 350 yards. I’d say the same thing about 308 but with obviously different bullet weights.
This just blows my mind. I live in Michigan and EVERY You-Tuber gets this WRONG. Standard bottlenecked cartridges such as 308 Win, 30-06 SPR, 270Win, etc. are NOT illegal in Michigan. There is a boundary line about halfway up the lower peninsula that defines the LIMITED FIREARM Zone. Everything south of that line, yes, must use straight-walled cartridges, including pistol caliber cartridges such as 357Rem Mag, 44 Rem Mag, 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer. However, everything north of that line, including the entire upper peninsula, you can hunt with any cartridge - straight wall of bottleneck standards. Top hunting cartridges in Michigan are 30-30Win; 308 Win; 270 Win; 30-06 SPR; 6.5 Creedmoor.
@guillaumer.bolduc8420 I was talking to a couple of ODNR officers about my .450BM (I'm trolling for spent brass). They told me thanks. I asked what I did. They told me the .350 Legend is quite popular because the recoil isn't much. But, they have been getting calls on dead deer that were shot with those that ran off. Or, talking to hunters that bought them that have seen the need for multiple shots to put a deer down. The .450 BM hits 'em like a Peterbuilt. After sighting mine in on a 1/2" AR500 target I get it. I can shoot this target with my .308 and never have to go pick it up because it flies off of the mount. With the .450, I have to go put it back on after every shot. I'm gonna have to redesign my mount. But, I am getting some exercise. I noticed the difference in the length of hang time between the .450 and the 6.5. Quite a spread. The 6.5 is there yesterday vs. the .450 is next day delivery. Enormous fun could be had from someone coming up with a new wildcat in .45, that fits on an AR10 platform.
@@battalion151R The .45 Raptor is just that, a big-bore for the AR10 platform. It's loaded by a few companies and can push a 300 grain bullet at 2200 fps.
@@possumpatrol45 Sounds like that would be a hoot! I just looked at that one. It appears that it is no more expensive to shoot than the 450 Bushmaster, at around $2.00 a pop. My crystal ball is saying there could be a .45 Raptor upper in my future. Thanks!
Haha That jab about the .450 bein unsubstantial at over 500 yds is definitely a burn to any fan of .45 acp that only goes about that fast at muzzle in similiar or lighter grain.
Yep. My Ruger Ranch Rifle in .450 BM is lighter than my AR and cost less than just the .450 BM upper, and it's more accurate. Plus, since I hand load, the bolt action is more versatile. I'm not restricted to loads that will properly cycle the action. I shoot a lot of cast lead bullets through the bolt gun, for instance.
@@r.awilliams9815 Are you casting the bullets, or buying them? Try powdercoating them. It acts just like a jacketed bullet. That powdercoating is tough as nails. It'll leave you with a much cleaner bore. And, you can shoot these through a gas gun. Get whatever color powdercoat you fancy (some guys will tell you some are better than others), put a PINCH of powder in a plastic container and shake. (Your bullets have to be bare lead. If you are buying lubed bullets you'll have to clean them off. ) Use some tweezers or hemostats and place them upright on some #8 hardware cloth. Put them in a JUNK countertop oven at 400° for 16-20 minutes. Take 'em out and let 'em cool. Run through a sizer and load. You don't need to lube them.
@@battalion151R I cast a few designs meant for black powder use in my .45-70, and for those I prefer traditional lube. Bullets for the .450 BM I buy. I may try powder coating in the future, but I've got large stocks of bullets to work through first. I suppose I could remove the regular lube and powder coat, but that sounds like a lot of work for not that much gain...and I'm getting lazy as I get older.🙂
Ive taken wild hogs with the 450bushmaster at 300yards i was probably 18inches above his shoulder when i shot and taken deer at 173yards im not a 6.5 creedmore fan
Have never fired my 450 past 100 yards... probably never will, but glad you did. Fun to watch!
You don’t shoot deer over 100 yards?
After watching this I've decided to go with 450 bushmaster for PRS.
Nah you should go with .22lr
Become an expert in hold overs and reading wind in no time!
@@marcmoore4115 I think I could learn a lot from German howitzer crews from WWI.
Hilarious!. Shooters are typically a calculating, serious bunch of guys. Thanks for filming & editing up an interesting story. Good times 👍
Been very happy with mine.. I've only did 200 y but was going to try this.love it
I'm glad you guys included hunting square targets. Those are rare gems in the wild.
Lol!!😂 Yeah, we exhausted all options for longer range at the farthest whitetail target and the only target available further where the IPSC and the Square. Kind of a cool problem to have if I'm honest! Pretty awesome to see that 450 pushed that far!
Can we make this a series? Seeing how far you can take bullets that dont belong at those distances.
I just killed a deer at 180 yards with my 450 Bushmaster. It was also a high wind day. Completely comfortable with up to 250 yards. 300 yards is a maybe for me
would you rather use 6.5 PRC?
What barrel length?
I'm thinking back to all those Old West hunters who hit at these same distances with 45cal rifles.
Or they say they did
Formidable and highly regarded in the bush😂
@@spldrongOld legends. Inferior powder, bullets, guns, knowledge means tall tales were created. Not saying one guy didn’t aim his rifle towards the sun and drop a buffalo on the horizon, but luck was involved
@@blauer2551 I have seen some tests of older milsurp rifles where they go from 100 to 1000 and many of the rifles do surprisingly well with the right load and shooter
Guess we need MDT to bring on a 1870s sharps rifle next and see what they can do
Most of them didn't 😊
That elevation hold for the 450BM at 800yds
The max ord for the last shot would clear a two story house!😂
I have a ruger american in 450 and I loved it so much I built one in a ar platform and it’s a beast of a gun and a big time hog killer
I've got a Ruger American Ranch that I'm getting and have been looking at a magazine upgrade. Do you know if the Lucky13 308/243 mags will fit/feed properly?
@@mattrickard3716 to be honest bud I have no clue , I would hate to give you the wrong answer
I have a rugar American in 450BM too, I've been looking at getting a 450 upper for my AR to turn it into a big bore hunting rifle
@@sooperdan they are so much fun in an ar platform
@@sooperdan Phoenix Weaponry has built it on AR10 platform. AR45-70 Auto, it's a beast for $4800 "Christine"
Need to try the .240 grain Bear Creek Ballistic ammo. Much faster than typical .450 factory loads.
Might as well have fired that 450 Bushmaster from an artillery cradle with that firing solution! Not much of a comparison, but fun to watch and you raised some good considerations about trueing muzzle velocity under ideal atmospheric conditions, stationary target, etc. Unfortunately lots of people don't think about those kinds of things and figure if they hit a target once at a certain range then they can hunt at that range. Another consideration is being able to hit the vitals with a COLD BORE SHOT. I'm also wondering what kind of ammunition you are using in the 6.5 CM. I'd assume FMJ, which shouldn't be used for hunting. While I believe an animal can be taken with a well-placed shot, they (Elk, Moose) also do seem to take longer to expire if there isn't sufficient energy and a 6.5 CM definitely doesn't have the energy needed for some of those animal silhouettes (e.g. the Moose) at the ranges they were being shot at.
Even considering a longer barrel potentially making the round tumble? Like the 55gr 20” barrel 5.56 will?
What barrel brand, length and twist rate ? I’d really like to know more about the rifle used for the 450
With reloading and tuning. I will say my best was 1 moa at 315 yards in a three shot group. Ruger scout. If I can shoot watermelon and tennis balls at 300 yards im more than happy. That being said. All my hunts have been in 150 yards. Running or walking I've gotten hearts on over 20 deer with factory loads. One of Iowa's and my best decisions ever. Second was a muzzle redirect.
Thanks for showing more of what Tim LeGendres creation can do 👍
For the record you only have to use straight-walled cartridges in shotgun only zones here in Michigan. Outside of those you can still use necked down cartridges.
Interesting to see, I'd never shoot mine past 150 yards typically. I'm not down in the straight wall section of Michigan though, so if I'm going somewhere I may have a longer shot, I have the 6.5 Grendel bolt & AR as well as a .308 and a 7mm Mag. Definitely leave the long range to one of them. ;)
Great video, guys 👍
That's like pairing sports cars to station wagons
I like the 6.5 creedmoor it is a versatile round. Look at the creedmoor stats at under a 1000 yards. I have never shot a moose with a 6.5 creedmoor, so I am putting this out there... Would that impact the moose's vital organs or would you need a follow up shot?
While the 6.5CM is a great round, shot placement matters more than anything. However, I'd likely go up to a 7mm or 30cal for a moose to ensure a clean harvest.
@@FrancisColonPRS I agree that you need a well placed shot regardless of the cartridge. I was just wondering if it is ethical to shoot the 6.5 cm cartridge at a moose. I have used a .270 win mag but I like the BC of the 6.5 cm.
@@gizmohuntsI would think with a properly constructed bullet, like a 140 accubond or Barnes TSX it would work fine inside of maybe 350 yards. I’d say the same thing about 308 but with obviously different bullet weights.
Im still wondering wich caliber to choose for my moose hunt in a week ! 😅 i have both 450bm and 6.5cm.. sure thing it will be under 200 yards.
@@sleeper23 between the two I’d go creedmoor and pick a tough bullet like a TSX or an accubond. Nothing says you can’t shoot it twice
What gun and barrel length was that?
This just blows my mind. I live in Michigan and EVERY You-Tuber gets this WRONG. Standard bottlenecked cartridges such as 308 Win, 30-06 SPR, 270Win, etc. are NOT illegal in Michigan. There is a boundary line about halfway up the lower peninsula that defines the LIMITED FIREARM Zone. Everything south of that line, yes, must use straight-walled cartridges, including pistol caliber cartridges such as 357Rem Mag, 44 Rem Mag, 350 Legend, 360 Buckhammer. However, everything north of that line, including the entire upper peninsula, you can hunt with any cartridge - straight wall of bottleneck standards. Top hunting cartridges in Michigan are 30-30Win; 308 Win; 270 Win; 30-06 SPR; 6.5 Creedmoor.
Please develop a Gen2 Hnt chassis that is better off of the bag and balances better!
Necked cartilages are legal in Michigan . Bay City north they are legal .
I shot 45-70 @ 800 yds this week. You wouldn't want to get hit by it but I wouldn't shoot an animal
HNT26 450BM with a 18-22" barrel would still be pretty cool for a Ohio deer gun!
I have a 350 legend on oryx chassis and i like it so much
@guillaumer.bolduc8420
I was talking to a couple of ODNR officers about my .450BM (I'm trolling for spent brass). They told me thanks. I asked what I did. They told me the .350 Legend is quite popular because the recoil isn't much. But, they have been getting calls on dead deer that were shot with those that ran off. Or, talking to hunters that bought them that have seen the need for multiple shots to put a deer down. The .450 BM hits 'em like a Peterbuilt.
After sighting mine in on a 1/2" AR500 target I get it. I can shoot this target with my .308 and never have to go pick it up because it flies off of the mount. With the .450, I have to go put it back on after every shot. I'm gonna have to redesign my mount. But, I am getting some exercise.
I noticed the difference in the length of hang time between the .450 and the 6.5. Quite a spread. The 6.5 is there yesterday vs. the .450 is next day delivery.
Enormous fun could be had from someone coming up with a new wildcat in .45, that fits on an AR10 platform.
@@battalion151R The .45 Raptor is just that, a big-bore for the AR10 platform. It's loaded by a few companies and can push a 300 grain bullet at 2200 fps.
@@possumpatrol45
Sounds like that would be a hoot! I just looked at that one. It appears that it is no more expensive to shoot than the 450 Bushmaster, at around $2.00 a pop. My crystal ball is saying there could be a .45 Raptor upper in my future. Thanks!
I love my 450 Bushmaster
Luckily just half of the lower peninsula is restricted to straight wall carriages
Saw a good buck at about 350 yds last year and didn't dare to shoot with 450BM...
Can we revisit this with better bullets in a "custom" chamber
Using a different cartridge all together? or just different bullet sizes on the 6.5 Creedmoor and 450 Bushmaster
@@MDTTAC like changing from .452 to .458 to run a 700 grain CEB or something or like that if you catch my drift
Now do 400 legend!
There's a guy on TH-cam smacking targets at 1001yds with a 458 socom.
Yeah 6.5 has better ballistics, but one shot of 45 bushmaster and "hasta la vista baby"
With enough elevation anything is possible 😂
You're not wrong!😂
That’s not a 6.5CM cartridge in the thumbnail. Maybe a 6mm
Haha
That jab about the .450 bein unsubstantial at over 500 yds is definitely a burn to any fan of .45 acp that only goes about that fast at muzzle in similiar or lighter grain.
Bolt action 450 bushmaster?!
Yep. My Ruger Ranch Rifle in .450 BM is lighter than my AR and cost less than just the .450 BM upper, and it's more accurate. Plus, since I hand load, the bolt action is more versatile. I'm not restricted to loads that will properly cycle the action. I shoot a lot of cast lead bullets through the bolt gun, for instance.
@@r.awilliams9815 nice sounds fun
@@r.awilliams9815
Are you casting the bullets, or buying them? Try powdercoating them. It acts just like a jacketed bullet. That powdercoating is tough as nails. It'll leave you with a much cleaner bore. And, you can shoot these through a gas gun.
Get whatever color powdercoat you fancy (some guys will tell you some are better than others), put a PINCH of powder in a plastic container and shake. (Your bullets have to be bare lead. If you are buying lubed bullets you'll have to clean them off. )
Use some tweezers or hemostats and place them upright on some #8 hardware cloth. Put them in a JUNK countertop oven at 400° for 16-20 minutes. Take 'em out and let 'em cool. Run through a sizer and load. You don't need to lube them.
@@battalion151R I cast a few designs meant for black powder use in my .45-70, and for those I prefer traditional lube. Bullets for the .450 BM I buy. I may try powder coating in the future, but I've got large stocks of bullets to work through first. I suppose I could remove the regular lube and powder coat, but that sounds like a lot of work for not that much gain...and I'm getting lazy as I get older.🙂
@r.awilliams9815
Roger on getting lazier as we circle the nearest star. I've noticed that things are gaining weight too. And, hills are steeper.
Comparing 6.5 to 450 is not a fare challenge 6.5 is long range 1000 yards plus 450 is a pig gun in 250 yds for the average shooter
450 Bushmaster vs 45 Raptor
Naaaaa, 45Raptor!
Come on. So many people don't know. I can shoot my 450 all day every day @ 600yds and nail 10" gong
Ive taken wild hogs with the 450bushmaster at 300yards i was probably 18inches above his shoulder when i shot and taken deer at 173yards im not a 6.5 creedmore fan
Frigging musket.
Butt shot moose are hard to track
This no comparison video. The 6.5 out preforms 450 in every facet. Strait wall vs bottleneck isn’t apples to apples
Fair enough
I wish people would quit pimping long range hunting and teach woodman skill. Or have we gotten that lazy...
Again he calls last 6.5 shot to high and left. WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! There's a main nerve there! Done like dinner. You guys need to learn a lot more.
"land of free", cartridge type regulated for hunting , LMAO
991 fps will not bounce off hide lol. So he's saying a .44 magnum just bounces off hide. Lol maybe other guys should have made this video
450 won't even be close to the 6.5 creedmoore