Beautiful coaches and great video! I’m a little more old school and still like wood…more rich character and natural warmth. I’m also a little more old school and I’m not sure I can trust Thor with their commitment to quality, at least yet. I guess I’ll just have to survive with my 2007 Holiday Rambler Navigator 45’…..👍
Thanks for introducing me to Doug at Sewell Motor Coach. I'm looking for a short, full body paint diesel pusher for around $100K. I traveled from Knoxville to KY to meet Doug. He is a walking encyclopedia on motor coaches. He answered a lot of questions I had about problematic diesel engines on the Allegro Breeze Coaches. That ruled out a Breeze because they did not go to a 6.7 engine till 2020 so that puts us out of the $100K budget. So now I know to look for a 2014 Allegro Red 33AA to get closer to my budget. This will be my first A-Class so I am very nervous about the purchase. Since finding out that you inspect and deliver most of his coaches you've helped me find my next RV Dealer.
Since Thor bought Tiffin…I’m scared for Tiffin. Once you hand your private company over to corporate….it’s never the same. I would never buy a new RV today. No way!!!
Great comparison of years! I have a 2021 Tiffin Allegro Open Road 32SA and it is wonderful. Only two issues with Tiffin, all others were the vendors (Lippert - hydraulic slide and Swintek slide). Thanks for all the great info you provide!
I have just one complaint - these reviews of the high-end coaches make me want one! I also have to content myself that having only two slides on my coach makes it easier to go to the back while traveling. Also, I am with you on showing the grain of the wood in cabinetry.
That Newmar Dutch star in the opening at :58 looks just like ours except I think that must be a 40 ft model. Ours is a 38 ft 2003 but the paint colors are the same.
I am a function over form kind of guy. The backsplash that is the rounded stone or whatever it was, looked like a pain to clean should it actually be "splashed" with ... let's say ... spaghetti sauce. To me, a backsplash should be smooth and easy to clean as its function is to be splashed and easily cleaned. I also don't get the tiny aisle ways in one coach and not the other....? Definitely like to be able to navigate through with the slides in. Sweet looking rides, I must say.❤
Love all your inspections videos, related to the COVID quality debate, it is not only the completed RV quality. As the RV is a sum of many sub components each of which had the poor COVID quality potential build in, this multiplies the statistical possibility of quality issue’s. also the supply chain issues of not being able to get the spec’d in components, and forced to use what you can get; this is most likely the explanation why they used the two different sealants on the 2021 roof. A shame Real Tiffins are gone, seems they have morphed in Thor-if-fins, clearly noticed in the cabinet build quality. I have seen overall higher levels of quality issues on COVID build RV,s. That is why I have a 1999 American Coach Heritage tag 45ft. Great build quality and EZ to work on.
James ...the more I watch , the more your educating me, others about build quality , especially rooves on these very expensive RV's , coaches , motorhomes we call em in Ireland, England, France , Germany etc etc Europe ... And I'm a novice , but do Europeans make these RV's ?I ask because "I" and most people in Europe want way better quality for that money 💰...I know we have wetter weather , but still ! No disrespect ....and flaws are keeping you busy bud 😉 Like I want a perfect outer skin , body , over a pure wood , dishwashers , tiles (I used to work in ceramics Italian , Spanish -proper real ones , oh and less expensive Turkish) that add weight...I hope buyers watch your channel , I really do
Caravan trailers seem to be made much better and have a much more regulated and robust quality check and inspection process including regular checks for damp. While large class A motorhomes exist in the UK, and Europe they are very rare and usually imported is my understanding. While notoriously bigger than the average vehicle and street lanes, it still seems somewhat manageable as buses, large trucks and garbage trucks also use those roads. I am unaware of camping availability or parks that accept larger motorhomes, but now I think I should travel and find out more. :) Otherwise, I think Class B vans are more common which will have great rooves, thank you!
James ...thank you for reply , I know you are busy , no pun intended . But I withdrew my last comment re tv in front of escape . I really like these motorhomes , I would I'm 50 fit , two kids 11, 14 fit But seems lot of older gen buy , cos they have 2,3,400 K to . That's not to say regardless who buys , a good number are flawed. As a security health safety officer (now single 52) I would really like to work within this industry. I wouldn't NOT SELL a unit ,due to my personal points , I'd sell . Sheesh I'm saying your BEAVER is why I'm here , and I'm fed up here in Ireland , from England , weather , cost of living , I would move back to US , and really like this side of selling , having worked for CarCraft motors , as a marketer ,not a salesperson , I made money.. I dont mean any disrespect , and I guess I'm better keepin my thoughts 💭 to me , If and "IF" you or your team need help , I'd move back to US I was there 05-07, CA, Rattan Furniture seller , and beach ⛱️ bum... Best luck bud N
I say there are slipping because we bought a 23 Tiffin. Wayfair RW has been at the dealer since May 5. hadn’t even brought it home. We got it home now just now to go on Thanksgiving and still finding problems right now. I wish I bought something else. 😒 😢
What I see in those painted cabinet doors is horrible fit in the mitered joints. Not a single door that he showed had joints that met all the way, and with that lovely prison grey paint, there is no wood grain or color variations to make them harder to see. Kind of pitiful. Another great video, though I have a hard time watching when the camera moves around so much...gives me motion sickness if I watch too long.
I’m not sure if their quality fell but their customer service is terrible. I saw a Tiffin Midas at the LaMesa RV show, however it was a 2022. I emailed Tiffin to see if they were going offer a 2024 twin bed Midas. It took them nearly two weeks to answer. The answer was no. They did nothing to suggest an alternative model C with twin beds. I decided after that experience that I would never want a Tiffin RV. If they were that bad at simply answering a question I can’t imagine how poorly I’d be treated if I had a coach with a problem.
Beautiful coaches and great video! I’m a little more old school and still like wood…more rich character and natural warmth. I’m also a little more old school and I’m not sure I can trust Thor with their commitment to quality, at least yet. I guess I’ll just have to survive with my 2007 Holiday Rambler Navigator 45’…..👍
Thanks for introducing me to Doug at Sewell Motor Coach. I'm looking for a short, full body paint diesel pusher for around $100K. I traveled from Knoxville to KY to meet Doug. He is a walking encyclopedia on motor coaches. He answered a lot of questions I had about problematic diesel engines on the Allegro Breeze Coaches. That ruled out a Breeze because they did not go to a 6.7 engine till 2020 so that puts us out of the $100K budget. So now I know to look for a 2014 Allegro Red 33AA to get closer to my budget. This will be my first A-Class so I am very nervous about the purchase. Since finding out that you inspect and deliver most of his coaches you've helped me find my next RV Dealer.
Since Thor bought Tiffin…I’m scared for Tiffin. Once you hand your private company over to corporate….it’s never the same. I would never buy a new RV today. No way!!!
Only if it was a Newell
@@sfcjones2590 Amen ♥️
I sold my tiffin after they sold to thor
@@JFSMASH I would of done the same thing 👍🏼
So glad I bought a '19 Tiffin 40IH Powerglide Chassis used last year with the seamless slides. Only the Zephyr has them now. We do love the coach.
Great comparison of years! I have a 2021 Tiffin Allegro Open Road 32SA and it is wonderful. Only two issues with Tiffin, all others were the vendors (Lippert - hydraulic slide and Swintek slide). Thanks for all the great info you provide!
I have just one complaint - these reviews of the high-end coaches make me want one! I also have to content myself that having only two slides on my coach makes it easier to go to the back while traveling. Also, I am with you on showing the grain of the wood in cabinetry.
Keep the wood 🪵, walk room! The fact that you can do two 2️⃣ thumbs up 👍
Our 19 Phaeton which we bought from Doug has been good
Ty David!
You were a pleasure to deal with.
We hope to see you again someday
Both very nice…but I would like a walk way when all closed up
6” more room would make a lot of sense.
Great job always trust you.... thank you
Diggin the beard. Altho your sideburns were old skool cool
That Newmar Dutch star in the opening at :58 looks just like ours except I think that must be a 40 ft model. Ours is a 38 ft 2003 but the paint colors are the same.
That Prevost next to you looks sweet.
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I may have a video in the works on that one :)
I am a function over form kind of guy. The backsplash that is the rounded stone or whatever it was, looked like a pain to clean should it actually be "splashed" with ... let's say ... spaghetti sauce. To me, a backsplash should be smooth and easy to clean as its function is to be splashed and easily cleaned.
I also don't get the tiny aisle ways in one coach and not the other....?
Definitely like to be able to navigate through with the slides in.
Sweet looking rides, I must say.❤
James, outstanding video as usual. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Love all your inspections videos, related to the COVID quality debate, it is not only the completed RV quality. As the RV is a sum of many sub components each of which had the poor COVID quality potential build in, this multiplies the statistical possibility of quality issue’s. also the supply chain issues of not being able to get the spec’d in components, and forced to use what you can get; this is most likely the explanation why they used the two different sealants on the 2021 roof. A shame Real Tiffins are gone, seems they have morphed in Thor-if-fins, clearly noticed in the cabinet build quality. I have seen overall higher levels of quality issues on COVID build RV,s. That is why I have a 1999 American Coach Heritage tag 45ft. Great build quality and EZ to work on.
I’d take the 19
James ...the more I watch , the more your educating me, others about build quality , especially rooves on these very expensive RV's , coaches , motorhomes we call em in Ireland, England, France , Germany etc etc Europe ...
And I'm a novice , but do Europeans make these RV's ?I ask because "I" and most people in Europe want way better quality for that money 💰...I know we have wetter weather , but still !
No disrespect ....and flaws are keeping you busy bud 😉
Like I want a perfect outer skin , body , over a pure wood , dishwashers , tiles (I used to work in ceramics Italian , Spanish -proper real ones , oh and less expensive Turkish) that add weight...I hope buyers watch your channel , I really do
Caravan trailers seem to be made much better and have a much more regulated and robust quality check and inspection process including regular checks for damp. While large class A motorhomes exist in the UK, and Europe they are very rare and usually imported is my understanding. While notoriously bigger than the average vehicle and street lanes, it still seems somewhat manageable as buses, large trucks and garbage trucks also use those roads. I am unaware of camping availability or parks that accept larger motorhomes, but now I think I should travel and find out more. :) Otherwise, I think Class B vans are more common which will have great rooves, thank you!
James ...thank you for reply , I know you are busy , no pun intended .
But I withdrew my last comment re tv in front of escape .
I really like these motorhomes , I would I'm 50 fit , two kids 11, 14 fit
But seems lot of older gen buy , cos they have 2,3,400 K to . That's not to say regardless who buys , a good number are flawed. As a security health safety officer (now single 52) I would really like to work within this industry. I wouldn't NOT SELL a unit ,due to my personal points , I'd sell .
Sheesh
I'm saying your BEAVER is why I'm here , and I'm fed up here in Ireland , from England , weather , cost of living , I would move back to US , and really like this side of selling , having worked for CarCraft motors , as a marketer ,not a salesperson , I made money..
I dont mean any disrespect , and I guess I'm better keepin my thoughts 💭 to me ,
If and "IF" you or your team need help , I'd move back to US
I was there 05-07, CA, Rattan Furniture seller , and beach ⛱️ bum...
Best luck bud
N
Still not sure about the Dodge Charger taillight use...
That stacked stone backsplash looks like stacked bamboo to me.
LOL, THOR. Off the list!
I am looking at a 2004 country coach 36 Pendleton if that helps you so I can look at the problem areas
Well I was pleasantly surprised by the similarities, being one was built in the horror 😱 years lol.
Now what about that Beaver that was at the end? 😃🍻
I say there are slipping because we bought a 23 Tiffin. Wayfair RW has been at the dealer since May 5. hadn’t even brought it home. We got it home now just now to go on Thanksgiving and still finding problems right now. I wish I bought something else. 😒 😢
You bought a Thor. Why would anyone?
James, would you trust those Schwintek slide mechanisms on those back slideouts?
I wouldn't, changed mine to Vroom. It has been fantastic!
Any thoughts on build quality between a Tiffin and a Liberty build quality?
There is no comparison, Liberty is custom high end build, Tiffin is mass production
Really need to judge a more recent model, the longer the time between the acquisition the more diluted the quality will become.
Hey buddy do you have a check list that I can use went I get a motorhome that will help me pick the right one
James thinking about a 36’ +- DP what do you like better Tiffin or Newmar
I still like Tiffin
Can you tell us about the warranties.. Ive heard that there is none. In fact the contract is full of disclaimers.. is this true?
Most warranties are for the first year and can be difficult to get done in a proper timeframe without having your RV down for weeks or months
❤❤❤
Schwintek slides.. I am out... Love Tiffin till the Dad died.... Currently looking for a small one from 2006 ish...
Is it just me or is the slide seal all messed up At 7:56? It looked all folded in?
they will flip both directions
Tiffin quality has gone South in the worst ways!
40’ with no tag is pretty disappointing. Tiffin has nice multiplexing.
I thought the motorhome had collapsed
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What I see in those painted cabinet doors is horrible fit in the mitered joints. Not a single door that he showed had joints that met all the way, and with that lovely prison grey paint, there is no wood grain or color variations to make them harder to see. Kind of pitiful.
Another great video, though I have a hard time watching when the camera moves around so much...gives me motion sickness if I watch too long.
I understand, I try to edit a lot of the camera movements
I’m not sure if their quality fell but their customer service is terrible. I saw a Tiffin Midas at the LaMesa RV show, however it was a 2022. I emailed Tiffin to see if they were going offer a 2024 twin bed Midas. It took them nearly two weeks to answer. The answer was no. They did nothing to suggest an alternative model C with twin beds. I decided after that experience that I would never want a Tiffin RV. If they were that bad at simply answering a question I can’t imagine how poorly I’d be treated if I had a coach with a problem.
Seriously? Not a customer just a whiner assuming they know. Move on.
@@jebutah9705 assuming they know what? I have moved on dumb dumb or can’t you read.
I agree with them, if it takes 2 weeks to answer a question about anything about their products I think it reflects poorly a s whole.@@jebutah9705
The painted cabinets suck!
Different strokes for different folks!