Is the LEM Trigger the Holy Grail? (HK P30sk first shots) | Active Self Protection Extra
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- Is the LEM (Law Enforcement Modification) Trigger the holy grail of triggers? Well, I am not completely ready to say that yet, but the Lite LEM on my new HK P30sk is a really, really nice trigger out of the box. I think it’s the best trigger I have fired in a defensive handgun. Here we get our first 150 rounds through it.
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Glad to hear you are an HK ambassador. I’ve been carrying the P 30 SKS (V3) for about a year and a half. It’s probably the best overall carry gun I’ve ever owned and I’ve been carrying for more than 35 years. I love the DA/SA trigger. Thanks for sharing.
I stopped carrying my G19 for basically all of the same reasons. With the LEM, you essentially get the consistency and ease of shooting a SA trigger and the safety of a DA hammer fired pistol without the need to decock. I also carry appendix, so I too appreciate the ability to thumb over the hammer when going back to the holster. And you don’t need to put a Gadget on your HK to get that feature....
I don't mind the SCD and have one on my G43. But I agree!
I have been running a VP for about 3 years now as well. And this is why I am even looking at these LEM guns. I am by no means a HK fan boy. But your comment is spot on.
-Marky
I need a P30SK for the reasons you describe, but can’t make up my mind if I want the Light LEM, or V3s.
@@formerpilgrim4934 what's the difference?
You can always just get the TAO development striker control device and that would allow you to thumb it while bolstering.
I got a P30SK in October as my concealed weapon. Loved it, so I picked up a P30L a couple weeks ago to carry at work. Great guns.
Thank you for the holstering tip about holding my thumb over the hammer. I own a hk p30 sk v3. Definitely will do for added safety.
Glad to help.
Bought the same gun about a year ago. Love the LEM trigger. It's my primary carry gun.
I love this pistol. I bought one last with the LEM trigger and it is my EDC. And I love how I can use my VP9 and VP9sk magazines with this as well. Now I just need to find a nice Kydex IWB holster for P30sk equipped with a Crimson Trace laser. I can't believe I missed this video.
Carrying the P30sk LEM for over two years. Really love the 13 rounders H&K has now. The LEM trigger and AIWB are the way to go for reasons you covered. I'll bet you switch to the full size P30 LEM when you get it. Looking forward to that vid.
Yeah especially because it's having a RMR mounted. :) Once I get the full size P30 done, it will become my carry gun most likely.
@@ASPextra as mentioned in my earlier comment, my new EDC is the P30L V1 9mm, im getting a custom compensator cnc machined and a +5 baseplate extension added to give it 21 total rounds. Stoked. Enjoy and congratulation on the HK Knighthood.
That’s my exact carry piece. I like the LEM, but I learned handgun shooting on an old Smith&Wesson model 15. Shot it mostly double action. I consider the LEM a 1.5 action. Also, it’ll take your VP9 15 round mags.
Congrats!! HK ambassador....WOW!!!!! You are a GREAT choice!
The LEM version of the P30Sk is by far my favorite pistol..
HK = Hella Klout. I carry a p2ksk v2 LEM and my gf carries the same p30sk you have. Great guns.
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OH HELLO
I can see that your TH-cam comments are just as normie cringe as your TH-cam channel
I carry the P30L with the same trigger. Definitely one of my favorite firearms. The trigger makes a good conversation piece with friends too. lol
I am happy to report a very positive experience with customer service by phone. Thanks HK!
Very cool on now being an official HK ambassador. I know that for several months now I have been wanting a VP9 because of your influence, but sadly California's Pistol Roster does not include most handguns including the HK VP9 :(
I'm an HK fan and have a P30SK. I know you'll love the SK
So far, so awesome! :)
Damn, I was literally looking for a P30 LEM video on your channel yesterday. Awesome to see this today.
I totally agree with your take on the LEM. I have a P2000SK LEM and after nearly 35 years of looking for the ideal carry piece I found it. It's pretty much perfect for me and I like the safety margin built into the trigger and I prefer a hammer fired pistol. Hk's are awesome pistols and their overall quality is pretty much as good as it get! Nice review! Thanks for sharing.
The P30 & other HK guns with the LEM is like having a revolver type action that self cocks itself after firing, yet uncocks itself if you let up on the trigger, yet you have the benefits of semi auto capacity & fast reloading. With generally no external safety (unless you want one) the simplicity and versatility of this platform is unmatched, especially when you trick it out with a reduced reset trigger. It’s my all time favorite platform & the best self defense handgun IMO.
Picking up a P30SK, once I pay it off......can’t wait for it! Getting the DA/SA one though, will be my first HK. Sweet pistolas!
I have the P30L with the lem trigger and really want the VP9 now. HK really makes sweet firearms, congrats on your purchase and your new ambassadorship, love your work man!
Thanks!
Congrats on the HK "embassorship"!!
Thanks!
Active Self Protection Extra so is there 2 different versions of the LEM trigger? If so I want to make sure I get the better of the 2.
They need all the help they can get. Aside from Glock, the German gun makers seem to be hampering their own success in the U.S. Walther was poised to really become a player, but they shot themselves in the foot.
Glock is Austrian, that's why.
@@ASPextra g26 gen 4 vs this p30sk lem? I've had a g26 for 10 years. How's reliability and shoot ability comparison? Thx
Glad you mentioned that you didn't like the "true" decocked DAO trigger. I tried a non LEM P30 trigger and didn't like it in DAO either. I want to try one with this LEM trigger.
Thanks to your vid i've tried LEM trigger on my USP9. I don't think i can ever use anything else now :D
Sweet. Looks like a great concept !
I had one of these, LEM trigger version. I loved it. I need to get one again. for CCW it's a great option
I love it!
Nice man, P30sk with the lem trigger and an rmr is my dream carry gun!
I think a RMR on this gun might be close to perfect.
Finally found one and jumped on it. I absolutely love this pistol and the LEM variant is fantastic! It shots so soft like all my other HK's. Extra bonus was Three magazines and night sights.....I forgot about that so bonus days!!!! I carry mine in the DAO first shot mode.
Got the LE model!!
Great video as always. I'm a fan of DA/SA pistols. That said, the trigger looks amazing. Haven't seen anything like it.
Just got a P2000 with the LEM. Absolutely love this trigger!
I love love love the LEM trigger on my P2000SK
U never know what can happin in a fire fight or a contact. Great video
Good breakdown of the LEM system. Best I've seen so far.
Glad it was helpful!
Looks like a nice gun! I just added a PPQ SC to my collection today, after carrying a 92FS Compact type M for 15 yrs I wanted something with higher capacity and aftermarket support, only had a chance to put 50 rds downrange but if there is a better trigger out there than the PPQ I havent found it yet. Was debating on the VP9SK but loving the PPQ SC so far!
PPQ has a nice trigger for sure.
With a great deal of DA/SA experience, the v3 trigger with a Gray Guns short reset control latch is where it's at.
I just ordered my P30SK V1 LEM this past Black Friday. I already have the P30LS V3, and I spent about $250 to have a trigger job done and it’s now a nice trigger from the stock trigger. This time, I didn’t want to spend another $250 on another trigger job and I was fortunate to find the P30SK V1 LEM for $709 with night sights. So, I jumped on it. It will be my carry gun whenever it’s not cool enough for a jacket or hoodie.
Good choice. If I may, you will be amazed what a trigger job from Lazy Wolf or Grayguns will do for a V1 LEM
Great demo bud. Thanks! Can get this pistol about 25% cheaper than list at my secret spot. I have a cheap/budget subcompact, but gonna grab this as a upgrade.
I liked this channel before, but now that I know you appreciate the finer things in life (HK) I love it even more :)
Red & Black forever.
Congratulations.
Any update on your views on the HK LEM full-size you said wanted to get to compare with the 30SK? 🤔
This is the perfect trigger:
- Unlike striker, second strike capable
- the first shot isn't too short and light
- unlike DA/SA you don't have to remember to decock
- unlike DAO, it's a short reset
And when holstering you can hold the hammer down for that extra safety factor.
Yep.
I am getting one today! It is used but in California I don't have much choice.
Been training hard with my new HK p30L lem extremely accurate and a work of art handles my +p and +p+ 147 loads like a boss
I really appreciate your review of this gun, especially since your a lefty, as am I. I was just looking at this very gun today and really liked it. This will be my first semi auto and have been researching a lot lately. The sales associate that worked with me today was giving me some pointers on how to hold it and pull up to target. The way he showed me to hold it is exactly the way you were holding it, left thumb pointing kinda up on right side of gun and right thumb pointing strait down the barrel. I have not actually shot one yet but one thing additional he suggested was taking my right index finger, and instead of wrapping it under the trigger guard, extend it out and around the front edge of the trigger guard. I wonder if this might help keep the end of the gun down when shooting. I plan to try both ways once I get one, and see if there is a difference. I'd be curious what you thoughts are on that theory. Thanks again for a great demo and review.
Just ordered one (the V1 LEM version) to replace the USP Compact 9mm that I just sold. I like the smaller size of the P30SK, and the fact that I won't accidentally knock the Safety lever on, which I did often with my USP.
I've a HK VP 40 and I love it . I train regularly put about 150 rounds each time I go to the range . Am getting better doing dry fire as well . had a big breakthrough in that finally found my " sweet spot " when squeezing trigger . Sweet spot in that just right range of finger movement to fire and reset . Getting more accurate results and now much more confident with rapid firing . A former border patrol agent told me he likes me when I rapid fire because in a real situation you won't necessarily have a lot of time to carefully aim and shoot and he sees many people taking their sweet time . Anyway thinking of changing out the trigger to a match grade one even though it's not bad .
Great video!
I agreed with the video title even before I watched it. I've been carrying a USPc LEM for close to five years now, and it's just perfect. I like it for all the reasons that people usually mentioned. Consistent, light weight (for a duty gun) pull on every shot, but still with that second strike capability, and with the ability to thumb the hammer on reholstering ( I get very uncomfortable appendix carrying a striker gun). Add in the fact that all the newer model HKS are completely ambidextrous out of the box, and for me it really is the ultimate CCW piece.
Probably not worth it for most people, if you ever truly want to take your HK gun to the next level, send it to Rick Holme at Lazy Wolf Guns (he does the HK competition team). His sear and coatings package we'll put an LEM on par with any good single action ( barring a 1911 or some $3,000 competition piece)
Really wanted to like my P30sk but just couldn’t get use to the length of the take up. That said I love my vp9sk. It’s the most accurate and ergo striker fire gun I’ve ever owned
Good gun.
I purchased the VP40 yesterday when I was originally contemplating a SIG 229, S&W M&P40, and a Canik TP40SF. As soon as I held it, it felt like a dream, and the reset is what sold me on the VP series instead of the p30. I will do a 500 round burndown and try to remember to revisit this comment to update my personal opinion about this pistol. Hopefully this weekend, but it ultimately depends on when the ammo gets here.
It's a fine pistol and I could carry a VP9 my whole life and be perfectly happy. :)
@@ASPextra I hope I feel the same. It is a very comfortable "out of the box" firearm with a great trigger.
For the first time in my life, an online ammo order arrived before the ATF cleared the BGC.
1000 rounds before a firearm in hand literally blows my mind.
Is your preference striker fire? I haven't seen a video of yours that describes preference of striker vs hammer fire. I apologize for my ignorance in advance.
@@ASPextra You called it John. 200 rounds in with junk and random ammo, left handed, right handed, ammo in the dirt before loading, mags in the dirt, firearm in the dirt..... Zero malfunctions.
I also run, and do jumping jacks, push ups, and burpees to keep my heart rate jacked between drills. The weapon still shoots exactly where one points the barrel.
No buyers remorse here. This sidearm is worth every penny.
I looked at a P30sk the other day, and a VP9 side by side. The grip feels just about perfect. I’m just thinking I would probably carry the sk more consistently because it’s a shorter barrel and shorter grip so a lot easier to carry. I wish I could get more comfortable carrying a full size pistol. When I carry aiwb a longer barrel just pokes me and the holster leaves a hot spot on my thigh so I think a shorter barrel should do it for me. Glad you like your VP!
I usually carry a DA/SA hammer sidearm, but now I'm carrying the P30SK LEM, still trying to get used to the trigger.
I have a HK P30 and I was wondering what red dot sight you have on yours? I like that it is smaller and seems in video to sit well on your gun...
Great review of the HK P30SK with LEM trigger. Has the P30 SK LEM become your everyday carry? Was wondering about an update and your thought on the P30SK with LEM. Thanks for the great work you do on your channel.
I carry a full size P30LEM
I just got the p30sk and love it. just trying to find a good owb and an iwb appendix
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I love the LEM trigger group as well. I personally find that the P2000 with the LEM is the perfect size for a carry gun. It's about the same size as the SK with the 13 round mags. (Plus the P30 lineup is not on the CA list of approved pistols.)
Yeah in CA, it's P2000!
fantastic pistol, love mine. I have 12 Hk's, they are amazing pistols.
Jonathan Frost 12??? Lucky you mate!
lol, I used to have money and no guns. Now I have guns and no money:)
But do you have a USP???
A full size, compact, and an expert! Love the usp's!
Awesome, you have quite the collection it sounds like! Love me some usp
I have thousands of rounds through the p2000 LEM...I miss that gun
Mike Cude biggest sleeper in the Hk lineup for concealed carry
Would love a review of the P2000SK
What a great add
I have one of these, and I have three vp9 15-round magazines to go with it and my pinky rest on that magazine just fine
They now have a VP9sk magazine that holds 15, and a 13 rounder as well. They're awesome.
Meanwhile 2023, i love the VP9SK with the 15 rd extended Hk magazines for my large hands. Pinky loves it too.
I had a a USP with the LEM trigger and hated it. I later bought a P-30 with the double/single trigger and loved it. My favorite HK though is my P7M8.
Reminds me of the Sig DAK trigger I had on a 226 a while back, but with a lighter pull weight, maybe.
Similar but the LEM is a lot better feeling.
I’ve started following your channel just recently and this is the first time I’ve seen you shoot. Wow! I’ve never seen someone get a sub-compact back on target so quickly before. Also, if this is the first time you are using a lite LEM that’s even more impressive how quickly you’ve adapted to it. Is the feel of the LEM in the SK the same as the regular P30? I only hear people complain about the long reset but I never see those people practicing with it or shooting it down range. They’re always reviewing it on a table top or something. I wouldn’t think a long but light trigger reset would be a noticeable thing in a real life scenario.
LEM triggers are ok for me had on my last 2000sk it does take awhile to get used to it.
Walther's PPX and Creed has this trigger. fun action!
I carry the P2000 LEM
I have for about 6 years.
Great gun. It will eat anything and everything i have put through it with zero malfunctions. Steel, aluminum, it doesn’t care.
Any idea when they will release a 2020 style P30 with 17 round mags, suppressor height sights and cut for an optic?
I’m a Glock 19 guy... But can’t resist the newer HK’s. Fit my smallish hands very well, fast, accurate, reliability and durability off the charts.
You chose the right company to shill for!
Haha!
Great video! Have an vp9sk with burnt bronze slide but I think it's too nice to carry. I was looking at the p365 but with all the hiccups I've heard about lately I think I'll hold off. This video definitely put the p30sk in the running. Good job. Only competition is if I want to get a carry size 1911. Have also thought about being another vp9sk in fde and just switch out the slides. That way I'll have an all black and the fde with burnt bronze. Idk pondering on it this week
Which way did u go? I've got a vp9 and can't decide whether I want a vp9sk or p30sk they both seem to be great firearms
Leaning towards the p30, hammer being a bit safer for carry
@@matthewbeaver5026 I have a p30 v3 not the LEM version and I love it great pistol I carry it everyday
Lem is great with a little training. My wife is very accurate with it
I saw the great video and subscribed I’m a life long HK owner and fan.
Welcome aboard!
Love it. Like you said, the gun does have a significant amount of recoil and is quite snappy. Most gun channels don't talk about it. You should do more gun reviews. 👍👍
.40 or both?
Great review but I think the vp9sk is slightly better congrats on the HK sponsorship
HK rules!
@ActiveSelfProtectionExtra: Its been 3 years now since you made this video. Just curious, what is your daily EDC gun now?
HK P30 LEM full size, highly customized.
Forgot to ask which red dot sight you went with. Thanks again....great channel!
I currently run a Holosun 507GR on my carry gun. That, or the Trijicon RMR or SRO are my first choices.
Is there an alternative magazine release to replace the stock release? I have strong fingers, and it’s incredibly difficult to drop a mag quickly with that tight release button. Perhaps a different spring or entirely different button? I saw a red anodized one on another youtube channel, but it was on a H&K V9. Also a good light for my SP2000/V2lem?
That's the kind I'm going to get can we talk about hearing protection
@Active Self Protection Extra please sell me a 2x3" velcro ASP tactical patch with the triangle/snake logo
Are you sure the ammo is keyholeing? It might just be the odd tip cutting funny
I can’t help but appreciate the fact that you’re a southpaw! This is one of the main reasons I bought a HK P2000 (lem).... ambidextrous mag release (and de-cocker for non lem models). Sub Compact should make it comfy for conceal/carry, eh? Any suggestions for a good holster? Thanks.
P2000 is difficult at times.
Can you recommend a red dot optic that can work on the P 30 SK. I have been looking but haven’t found one that seems to fit.
RMR06.
Excellent idea. I know the P320 is striker fired... but I wish they had a way to increase the trigger pull... especially in a way that a DA/SA would work, or even like this. One person sells a heavy P320 trigger spring... but I'm not sure if it's any good or not (and it would increase every trigger pull). I like the Glocks, because the have the 8lb connector.... and for people that want an even heavier trigger they can get the NY trigger springs (which are kind of excessive).
I bought the VP9 Sk.
My XO owns one and loves it.
I also bought one (first firearm). Feel it's incredibly accurate for its barrel length and serves as my edc and home defense pistol (flush for carry, the pinkie extension makes the grip nearly to that of a full sized pistol)
Don't drop it in dirt or water.
Thank you for all ur help and support 🙏, saved my money an bought 2, the vp9 and 416, 💯percent saving for more. Want them all😂
Glad I could help
Send it to greyguns, then it will be good haha. I have a video on it and the LEM.
It's not that there are two springs in the gun (every gun has a trigger spring and hammer spring) it's that the hammer is in two pieces.
It's designed for the pretravel to be taken up, then break the shot. The long takeup is just in lieu of a trigger bar safety. 👍
Bruce and I are talking about it!!
Active Self Protection Extra you should check out Rick Holm at Lazy Wolf guns. I know he does work for a number of guys on the HK shooting team, and I've seen some of the magic that he works with the LEM, and it's a whole other world. I know there's a couple good videos out there on a stuff.
Congratulations deserve it...you sound like Ryan Renolds
QUESTION AND COMMENT FOR ALL LEM USERS AND "ACTIVE SELF PROTECTION EXTRA":
FYI I got a question for anyone with a LEM. I dry-fired it a bit and was practicing with the trigger's take up (So not fully dry-firing but going to the take-up) I broke the trigger return spring, replaced it, but my dad ordered the V1 one, so it had no take up and was ridiculous, put in another one, broke. Sent it to HK which I shoulda done in the first place (and I'm the idiot who broke it with wreckless dry-firing).
Came back working flawless like you'd expect. But one weird thing....there is not an audible click but a new kinda click or....maybe a rubbing of some of the parts at the very beginning.
Outside of my dumb-ass dry firing breaking the return spring and assuming snap caps are in there, is this gun okay to dry-fire? The manual is kinda vague on it and I've gotten a lot of vague answers. Range time isn't always an option and while dry-firing won't perfect my shooting, it'll help me on the pull so....just curious if Dry-Firing is a big no-no with this gun due to the mechanics. Still love it, and 1k rounds in it has never not worked in live-fire.
I always use snap caps when dry firing.
Please go over the HKP2000sk
That trigger looks amazing! I've always hated double action triggers.
Is 2nd strike capability really that important?
If you survive a defensive encounter after a round fails to fire, do you really want to give that round a second chance? Wouldn't it be preferable to rack the slide and try again?
Faster to try to hit it again before the tap and rack.
Spamming the trigger is a HELL of a lot faster than having to tap rack, so yeah. This basically ensures that a light strike won't be a potentially fight stopping problem if it happens to you. Huge advantage.
I just sold my Glock 19 to help purchase my hk p30sk.I got night sights and Double/single with decocker.I will have to see if it was the LEM trigger as I didn't check.Cant wait to pick it up and go shooting.Good review
If it has a decocker, then it's not LEM. :)
There is a variant (V0) of the LEM that has a decocker, making it a LEM/DA. I’ve never seen one commercially available in the US though so practically, any P30 with a decocker will be DA/SA (V3). I have heard that you can convert a V3 to a V0....
Ken Sakata
Thanks for the input.I checked my receipt and see the variant I order is V3 DA/SA night sights and 3 magazines.One of the magazines has the pinky extension.I don’t mind having an 11lb DA and a 5-6lb SA.Cant wait to pick it up this Tuesday as MD makes you wait 7 days
Im buying a p30L lem tomorrow on GB, cant wait to shoot it. You have one of the best gun, crime analysis, lesson channels on youtube. keep up the videos. thx from Kauai.
Thanks! And enjoy that LEM!
I have the HK 45 with the LEM and "clean sides" (no levers, safety, etc.) like a Glock . And I bought a Gen 5 Glock 21 almost at the same time. I've been a Glock shooter for 20+ years. I'm now totally converted to HK! Because of the LEM! The Glock stays in the safe. HK has better ergonomics, better build quality, the glass filled polymer isn't as "plasticky" feeling as the Glock, or those SIG P-365s and 320s, which I abhor . The HK P-30 SK with LEM is going to be my new EDC. It's worth the few hundred extra bucks!
John, is your EDC still the P30? Curious to know if you had a shortened reset trigger added to yours?Just picked up this p30sk v1 and my only complaint is the long reset. I also watched your video on pinning the trigger so was wondering how you feel about something like the Grayguns Reduced Reset Carry Perfection Package and if you recommend it for an EDC?
Yes, I have a P30 LEM with the Grayguns package you mentioned and it is SO SO SO GOOD!
which 1 was in the first movie og john wick? i want to say its the v1 because theres no safety, but i heard theres a v3 with no safety and also comes LEM.
you're trying it on P30 - try it on HK45. It rivals 1911's. On HK45 its not so much of a light double action as it's a long single action. All benefits, no drawbacks.
I love the LEM trigger . Im not big enough to carry IWB hip. I don't wear baggy clothes, so I need to carry appendix and this is one of the few guns I trust not to shoot my twig and berries off. Yes I train on holster draws but my boys are too important to even take the risk. I want a nice double action first shot then right into single action.
LEM doesn't have a different shot DA or SA. It's all the same trigger pull.
Help me out if you could please. I have a p30skv3 and love it. Thinking LEM, the question, a long harder pull first round, a short pull after. Does it go back to the long harder pull when you let fully off the trigger and holster? I don't want a striker fire trigger when holstering. Really, never. Don't like them. Thanks.
LEM is a single trigger pull. V1 LEM is light, long on the first pull, short on subsequent. Hammer spur is deleted, but hammer can still be blocked for reholstering.
Is this anything like the ltt trigger job for a Px4 or totally different animals?
That's it, I'm getting the full size.
I bought a hk p30 v1 lite l.e.m off of gunbroker brand new for $529. Helluva deal i couldn't pass up. I've had it over a year and love it.
I love my V3! Coming on 3 years now, still my absolute favorite.
As the owner of an HK P30 LEM and an HK P30L LEM I called HK USA today after watching this video to see if this short reset version of the LEM trigger would be available as a parts kit. They had absolutely no idea about any new short reset version of the LEM trigger becoming available. Where did you receive this P30 from?! Had It already been modified by Gray Guns or Lazy Wolf Guns?
From the factory.