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- Killing Edge is a threat, but we have a Marcus, and another Noodle.
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You should call this series
"FE7 but the enemy hired a tactician"
Kinda scary and OP
That actually sounds pretty good
As long as you have many fodder soldiers, you can always overwhelm your enemy into making Pincer Attacks or Sicilian Defense.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx
How the heck would you even do a Chess opener in Fire Emblem? XD
@@VestedUTuber
I dunno man.
Ask Mekkkah.
Doercas: dying, mentioning someone called Natalie,
The Pegasus Knight, who just happens to be called Natalie, very confused and alarmed:
"maybe i should name them"
"but then if they die youll feel bad"
did they just summarize fire emblem?
They did
I think they just summarized Nuzlockes
“I’m gonna do a run where I let tons of people die that’ll be fun”
“NOOO! I DINT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT YOU BUT NOW I FEEL BAD!”
@@purpleisdebeste FE11 when you want the gaidens
@@Jadanbrone of these days I'll see an fe11 gaiden
Thanks for having me on! Hopefully the other future guests can take some points back :')
Loved your commentary in the video it was so hilarious
@@ketsuban_jpg Thanks!
As it turns out, The players have a pretty huge advantage, and his name is Marcus
I think Marcus should be the only one with permadeath. It'll be more interesting if you can't simply make him mindlessly destroy the opposing army.
This is an interesting rule that I'll definitely consider!
IF he can kill it xD I think we are still many chapters away from someone actually being able to do it
Without Marcus, Mekkah is kinda screwed though. I'm not sure that would make sense, the only reason he has any chance in these level is because Markus is so blatantly op compared to everyone else.
@@SinnerHyuuga19 I definitely think it's possible in this chapter with Guy and Boies. Guy never critting is one thing but if everyone piled on Marcus and Guy got a crit it's 100% possible to kill him here.
@@SinnerHyuuga19 sinner you do know that in hector hard mode Eric (chapter 14 boss) has a horslayer and is decently accurate with it
Currently imagining this but in Battle Before Dawn
YOU MONSTER!
Someone else had the same thought as me, I see...
Goddamn, Ursula has Bolting. He's already won, unless Rescue Strats are used.
@@valsioncustom with a player controlled bolting user, the only hope is godlike rng for zephiel to survive
If Zephiel can handle a couple fighter scrubs, then surely Maxime will be no problem for him ;)
@@samloyd9287 Zephiel will not survive lmao. Only way to win is pretty much suicide charge into Ursula XD
This series is great.
Yes, so much fun when there's two or more people in general 😂
I just wanted to say I actually really like the longer videos, I know there are going to be times where content has to be sped up/cut, but the banter and intrigue for this idea is so good that it's worth watching all the way through despite the video length.
Clearly the soul of Nolan went into Hector here rather than his intended vessel of Noodle in Awakening.
Grima was already occupying that body
Execlemblem would be a very dangerous opponent because he has a lot of experience with generics
Step 6: Overcome challenges with human wave tactics
Aggressively sacrifice units for minimal gains.
Imagine Excel just putting everyone in a giant pile around throne, weaving strongest units in and out for gate healing
@@NieOrginalny
Hilarious but it will fall eventually.
Excelblem:"Random bs, go!"
I am thoroughly enjoying this considering how amazing a human is compared to an A.I.. In ways that a human can think in advance about what strategies would be necessary and can needlessly sacrifice nameless units. Just in the off chance that the human can secure an important kill.
also he can actively break the game by doing staff the AI wasn't programmed to do. I would love to see the same format with any game with skills, that would be so unfair to the player it would probably hurt to watch. And i would LOVE it
@@profchaos91
THIS is kinda interesting to me.
@@profchaos91 I shudder thinking about Lunatic+ Awakening having a Human A.I..That would be borderline impossible to even beat. It would be interesting to see Three Houses have this sort of Mod though. Especially during the conflicts in which all Three Lords are in the mix. Or Thracia 776 so that the morale mechanic would be utilized with a smarter A.I.. It would be an interesting and fundamentally fun component to the future of Fire Emblem mods.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Me too, a ton of possibilities.
@@GreyWandererXD
You know what happens if they're playing at the Laus Map now, right?
I'll be honest, as someone who really likes Guy, seeing him get no crits at all when it mattered or really in general aside from against Bartre really bums me out.
"Marcus, where's Bartre?" hits different when he died in vain lol
PSA for SpeedyHawk, if you're rescuing someone and the person that's doing the rescuing initiates combat and dies, the person in the back gets a free turn. You could for example have a pegasus suicide into someone then the big dick boss in the rescue can get an extra turn immediately and kill eliwood or some shit
I had the same idea with guy at the end.
Sounds kind of OP, might have to ban that.
That glitch works in FE6 but not FE7 afaik.
That's a glitch? I thought they let the rescued unit move still because they didn't do anything.
Huh. Today I learned.
Both evil and brilliant
Permadeath on Marcus only seems fair: he's too good lmao. This is so fun to watch and I'm glad you're keeping up with it!
I’m just imagining this in one of the radiant dawn maps with a billion enemies
3-12 would be HELL, i think that's the chapter with the most entities/units in the whole game
@@jayisabird6031 3-12? imagine how impossible all the Dawn Brigade levels would be before you have all the pre-promotes. Not to mention that in the early game anyone dying is a game over. 1-1, 1-2, and 1-9 would have to be skipped outright.
@@archmagef6971 idk about 1-9 but in 1-1 and 1-2 Mekkah could just camp with Edward/Nolan in a choke point so they don't get surrounded by enemies and possibly die
@@jayisabird6031 This would work for 1-2, but 1-1 has a turn limit
@@hrr2b239 Oh, right ...
"some GUY tries to slaughter all my units"
Ooooh I get it what a funny GUY
So unlucky with Guy :( but this is how I remember him exactly. Potential, but never growing attack for me and landing a crit not nearly enough.
But Raven is like HEHE BOI!
19:41 Finally, after all these years, we've discovered Hector Maniac Mode.
Just helpful tip for anyone of Mekkah's friends that will see this video and check the comment sections. If you are going to participate in this don't forget boss deaths mean it stops your side's reinforcements. This time it didn't matter cause Speedy got all the reinforcements, but in the future this could be helpful as to not suicide your boss too early. Also this will definitely get hellish Dread Island onwards especially the Pent chapter and Zephiel one since you have to protect a unit that's not near your army at the start.
This is for Mekkah if you do the Fargus map you should probably clarify that they can't use Fargus to attack, but can move him otherwise they'll game over you instantly by initiating combat.
wait so how do I challenge people like speed hawk and this dude? I would so love to do this challenge
@@ladyriethegoldendelmo5441 Uh I don't think you can be part of these video series Mekkah is making, but from the description he says he is working on a tutorial video on how to set this up, so you can try it with your friends. I tried figuring it out without a proper tutorial, but couldn't figure out the mechanics to setting this up completely as this needs to also have online capabilities like the Link Arena videos as Mekkah's cohosts don't live near him to my knowledge. The best I could find is ways to have it so I can control the enemy units on my computer. Anyway if you want to try this with your friends I would suggest waiting for Mekkah's tutorial, and if you don't have anyone to play with Mekkah has a discord as well as there are a ton of different Fire Emblem discords.
@@anthonynguyen1289 yea there should be a discord about fire emblem control ai group. I think that can get many people like u and me together. and I think it would be nice lol
rest in peace jessica
edit: rest in peace heather
2nd edit: rest in peace boyz
3rd edit: rest in peace bartre, we’ll see you soon though
4th edit: rest in peace catherine
5th edit: rest in peace dorcas, we’ll see you soon though
6th edit: rest in peace susan
7th edit: rest in peace amber, you were forgetten so maybe you died earlier but now it’s certain your passed away
8th edit: rest in peace guy, I’m guessing we’ll see you soon though
I think this series is really going to take off once permadeath and other consequences start sticking.
Right now, there's this limitation where the red player either plays to the chapter wincon or may as well just do nothing. Killing Batre or Rebecca doesn't mean anything beyond how that contributes to killing Eliwood or Hector in this chapter. Once the chapters stop being replayed, the ability to kill off units, decide which player units get kills, burn durability on crucial weapons, and deny other resources is going to make things way, way more interesting.
Yeah, it felt like he couldn't do anything this chapter. Red burns all his units for the unkillable Marcus? Gets seized, but if he's not ganged up on he can't really be killed. Took forever
@@bringanotebook28 permadeath would make this impossible, because red is nothing valuable. Red loses nothing when a unit dies. You can just suicide spam units into the horde and win via attrition.
@@bongosmcdongos4190 Maybe make it like 3 houses where you can decide to save a certain amount of units a certain amount of times?
Eliwood: Hey, Hector, it's Friday night, doing anything fun?
Hector: Oh, you know, just Wolf Beil and chill.
Hector in Fort surrounded by mooks :
*I DON'T GIVE A SHIT!!!*
When Hector's str growth is tied to Speedy's crit rate
What fire emblem multiplayer should’ve been
These are great, Guy's crit counter was hilarious 😂
12:53 "You forgot my secret power: NO CARE FOR MY OWN UNITS"
This is so good. I do think there was a winnable strat there once Hector and Marcus were contained. Pushing Eliwood's corner seemed pretty good, eh.
Here’s a terrible joke- What is Heath’s favorite candy?
Heath Bar
The Squeakqual we’ve all been waiting for
suddenly, i'm craving a geronimo stilton book
If Guy were on that gate, he'd turn into an early-game version of that Swordmaster boss from FE6... Worst. Boss. Ever. D:
Kel hell
Heeey, I like Rebecca! She’s just... statistically challenged.
I only gave a like cause the statically challenged, otherwise fuck Rebecca
@@proteanalias lame
@@proteanalias I mean, she is the reason why Elibe is still around.
@@lpfan4491 I'm not gonna lie the lore isn't my strong suit for FE games lol. I just really dislike archers. When I was a kid and first got FE7 I was all about training them but they just never felt useful on hard. But I'm also not smart or particularly good at the games xD
@@proteanalias don't worry FE7 non-Japanese archers, are shit, with the x2 instead of the x3 they have problems killing fliers in this game, that nerf was stupid, it made a lot of things stupidly bad like lyn mani katti and Eliwood rapier.
I once heard a really interesting observation about fe 7's steel lance pegasus knights. The steel lance pegasus knights are threatening because of their terrible attack speed and defensive stats. The steel lance gives them decent attack power, their decent skill gives them good hit rates (as far as fe7 enemies go) and they die to almost anything on retaliation. This makes it so a formation of steel lance pegasus knights can really gang up on one unit and bring them down, even if their target can only be attacked from one spot.
That "Dude, chill" at 7:59 is hilarious to me for some reason.
41:16 « no, dork-ass no!!! »
Don’t do any permadeath or you will lose so quickly, your opponents being real people will dominate you if you start losing your units quickly
Without permadeath it's too easy, the point is to see how far Mekkah can get if the AI played like human players
@@rewrose2838 without permadeath it can still get quite difficult, remember it's a human so Mekkah cannot depend on these simple AI tactics,
@@thegreatfirebolt1815 But Mekkah's units will almost always be superior and have access to armoury and shops (he has forbidden the use of player's money for those, so enemy can't buy stuff now)
And as I said, it supposed to this hard, permadeath and everything is part of the challenge
@@rewrose2838 then this series will be over before you know it
@@thegreatfirebolt1815 but there would be it would be less tense and enjoyable also theres other fe games to play.
"I'm done with Boey now"
Roleplaying Ephidel right here he was in command all along
For real though the RNG was *not* on the enemy team favour this map. Not only the crits from Guy, but also they missed high chances, got hit by a bunch of 50% that mattered and stuff like that non stop. This series is being pretty cool tho!
For a guy called speedy hawk he really took his time and scalated everything
Just imagine a romhack designed with multiplayer in mind : ) seems so goddamn funny
Fire Emblem : Elibian Wars
How bout a rule is in later maps you don't have Perma death but when you replay said level you can't train that unit so if they gain exp and level up but die they aren't allowed to grind on the reply (though you can train other units in your barracks)
And it's just for that level you can train them next level if they survive
Suggestion: You have to recruit a character during one of these battles if you want to recruit him in the non-pvp mission. But the enemy can't suicide the recruitable character unless it's a legitimate win-or-lose scenario. Like doing the killing blow on a lord with the recruitable character
I just realized something.
Mekkah's gonna have to contend with an aggressive Fargus.
How will that chapter even work? IIRC, the objective is usually to talk to Fargus, and attacking him results in a player loss.
@@RandInternet They'd probably have to set a rule against using Fargus. Since if Fargus attacks someone instead of the other way around, that may cause the same forced game over scenario.
Though it probably wouldn't be hard to modify the game so a player unit standing on a tile adjacent to Fargus's starting position is the win condition, as opposed to talking to him...
@@pengie-gw2lu It definitely wouldn't be difficult, It's as simple as taking out the defeat condition from the specific unit, very easy to do in FEbuilder
@@pengie-gw2lu And I can probably guess it's already programmed to be those specific tiles, which you can also move around when hacking it
If we wanted to get crazy I could probably take a look at it when I start messing with Fire Emblem like I've been doing lately, I can probably make it so Fargus will try and get to a specific tile and YOU have to try and stop him, but that would probably be too difficult to defend 🤣
Something you could do if it ends up being too one sided in terms of clearing maps is maybe make it a point system where killing units and maybe some other objectives give points and you get a certain amount for clearing the map. That way even in situations where game overing is no longer possible the person controlling the enemies could have something to consider other that just throwing guys at the lord and hoping it works.
By the time Mekkah finishes this series we’ll have the next new FE game (that’s a good thing this series is great lol)
Thanks for helping me want to play this game series again
I never heard of this channel, or watched Fire Emblem content. Then this popped up.
Grabbed a new fan, for sure. Thanks for the awesome content!
I’m not saying the final level HAS to be Mekkah vs DonDon, but I am going to strongly suggest it.
Holy shit
I really do like this series myself, both for the banter and the fun of using essentially chess pieces to beat a motley crew of blue.
Might I reccomend a turn clock or timer formula like in chess?
Would force more bold/on the spot moves and save you both some trouble.
Something like each unit gives you 8 seconds or something.
Hector and Marcus are playing Fire Emblem: Warriors
My favourite series 😂 well done Speedy, you just got unlucky
Only the peg knights got names, but poor one out for Jospeh the brigand
This series is actuallu incredible
It feels like a quality anime.
Balancing this perfectly with rules from the start will probably be impossible. I imagine early chapters will be a lot easier than later ones.
It's so amazing how much the game changes, really engaging.
What if you had a third player controlling the green units?
Bruh
There aren't many chapters where that is viable tbh would be interesting though
Best idea since the negative growth play through. I was blown away by the enemy drop strategy.
I want demon Hector fanart based on that garbled lovecraftian thing that pops up at the village. I love it.
The Bartre offer bit slays me every time
38:43 Like to imagine enemy AI units being equally silly to player units, but 100% dumber
Honestly I feel like the strat for this would’ve been to mob Elliwood once marcus and hector moved away from him and keep guy a little bit back to prevent marcus from safely rescuing hector to the throne. Oswin can only block so much.
13:18 He mighta been thinking of Sacred Stones, in how you have to get Natasha to talk to Joshua. ...wait maybe I’m remembering wrong now.
Fight 3: "My Green Units are painted Red!"
Boies should have been rescue-dropped up north to go for Eliwood while Marcus was swarmed in the south.
Doesn't mekkah have like 6 units waiting there in between them n roy n hector n 2 other axe user there 2 n oswin
@@tasintajwar2034 Yes but Boies is very bulky and plus Speedy had the Pegasus Knights to provide support. Boies wasn’t useful against fort-stationed Hector with Wolf Beil, and his accuracy was also shit against hand axe-wielding, forest-positioned Marcus. If Boies had been sent north, Mekkah would’ve probably rescued Eliwood with Oswin, and then the goal would’ve been to kill Serra & maybe Rebecca ASAP while keeping Eliwood’s group from getting to Marcus. Boies was useless down south. Of course all of this may not have been necessary if Guy hadn’t gotten unlucky with his crits.
@@thisismyusername7631
Darin can probably kill Marcus and Hector actually.
he fought while he was in south with roy n marcus with the bois still in thir position
If boies had gone to north then he had to survive survive lowen,dorcas,1 other axe user n maybe even hector.speedy chose to stall marcus with him which makes. Both meant death for him. If guy n a 4ppl peaple have gone they would do better than boies
@@tasintajwar2034
Boies would be better in the north actually. Hector in the fort makes it look like that Mekkkah is the Final Boss there because of terrain advantage.
Okay so I hack a bit and I figured out how to do some cool things if people would want it.
I can add in NPC units obviously, but most importantly I figured out how to give NPC units experience like the player!
I figure there are two ways I can approach this, one being fast while one being slow developmental-wise.
First SHORT way: Allow the players to choose the units to be deployed as normal, and then on turn 1 make half of the player group turn into NPC units after deployment, giving it a random feel so people don't know which unit they will get to control until turn 1 starts. I can boost enemy growths for a unique challenge at the least. Or other recommendations.
Second LONG way: Literally add in unique units that are only for the NPC army and the 2nd player can have their own army throughout the game. An example being in FE7 or FE8, have the other team be a roster from one of the other games. So you could have a Team Renais as blue team and a Team Blazing Sword as green team. This would require a decent length of time to do, with balancing and adding in new units etc.
I can do both, but the the first way would only take a few days/weeks for me to do with no major changes other than making the game "Co-Op"
The second way sounds like a fairly large project that can go for months.
If someone or multiple people are interested in me doing this, please let me know. We may even be able to get Mekkah in on it if he wants to play something like that.
So here is a generalized concept
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The only thing I like more than this series, is the way you guys say Boies.
Eliwood never found out where Bartre was.
I always wished Tactics Ogre had (functional) PVP modes like this.
There's the GBA Link mode for Knight of Lodis, but nobody touches it.
I shudder to think of a fire emblem game where the enemies are rescue dropping their recruitable units and bosses all over the place.
i really hope this continues. i really want to see cog of destiny, battle before dawn, and the end game chapters
Mekkkah vs Speedy Hawk
Four Fanged Defense let's go!
Hmm...I'm not sure if it's possible, but it might be interesting to make it so any of the 3 lords can Sieze in future maps.
Marcus be like: Let the bodies hit the floor
It was killing me that the guy running enemy’s didn’t archer spam when hectors axe broke
36:33 This was so perfect 😂😂😂
this is why i edit videos
This is the best series in fire emblem history. I wish this was a real game mode so bad!!
Man level 9 & 0 str level ups, that's completely insane
But better defense for tanking Criticals. Its a good trade-off, really but sadly Hector becomes a noodle-arm like Lyn.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx guess so, I mean it wouldn't end any normal runs on account of how easy the game is & how many hard hitters the game gives you, but still pretty insane to see
I can't remember, does ch 15 have peg knights? If so then Mekkah might have trouble. They could airdrop in a brigade of enemies directly on top of Lyn's isolated group before you can reach her with Marcus.
This is Hector mode, so the chapter you're referring to (Noble Lady of Caelin) is chapter 16 (there's a chapter exclusive to Hector mode that happens right before it). The distinction that it's Hector mode is also significant for answering your question: there are no peg knight in ch 15E, but there are three peg knights ch 16H.
@@Felixr2
They gonna do Talons Alight?
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx I don't see why they wouldn't
@@Felixr2
Heheboi
I've been waiting all week for this!
29:45 NOO MY KING
4:28 me and da boies crossin da river
Why does it smell like Eggs in here?
How can I manage the red units that way to play with my cousin? I'm interested, even if it's from the same PC locally
Ok... but why didnt the red team use archers to attack Hector after the Hand Axe broke?
i Think you can still allow ennemy stealing items, but only on the type of units that would do it in normal gameplay, like brigands
Can the Pegasus triangle attack?
Or...is that only for the sisters?
That trade offer was incredible
I still remember my op dorcas I used to kill the dragon in this version😁
I am eagerly awaiting Port of Badon
I'm enjoying this so far but the only thing I'm worried is usually the first few maps have a lot of "fodder" red units and the rush with all units might be a strat always.
If you gave it some thought would imposing a "move limit" (a restriction where if i have 5 units you only move 5 units), perhaps make it less about shoving units as quickly as possible in the face of blue?
Hey Mekkah to make the pvp more interesting and faster you should add a timer for both of the players (just like in a in a real chess tournament) this will put some pressure on you and can result in funny mistakes, also (this Idea will require some work but can be interesting) if the enemy team win they deserve some reward on the next chapter maybe a stat booster or the boss can be used on the next chapter
I think the time it took for players to make a move was okay - it's just that the red player has to move like 20 units every turn. For blue, losing Eliwood to a silly mistake would prolly make these into 10 minute videos, so right now I don't feel a need to implement a timer.
that cant be a thing enemy is just to many to be timed for
I'm just imagining how fucked up thracia maps would be with this game mode
Never let the units die in combat
If I use the Iron Sword, I’ll be open to a bunch of stuff. But if I don’t use the Iron Sword, I’ll have to use something dumb that isn’t the Iron Sword. So I’ll use the Iron Sword
Iron Sword for life bebe
I can't wait until the tutorial. Anyone know where to download this mod?
This is a fun series. Keep em coming!
The best Fire Emblem series! Bring it to switch and make it 3d!!!
I think the actual play from the bad guy side is to use Guy against Marcus when Marcus and Hector was surrounded, just to force Marcus to not have the Hand Axe equipped. That way he's open for chip damage from the 2 range guys.
This is really unique, please do more
If the series makes it that far, excelblem should do the battle before dawn chapter.