Hey Matty! If You Choose this Neve or Mcdsp APB, what's your advice? I usually work ITB with god particle on mixbus with no limiter after my master chain? What do you think? Which one is achieve for better mix and masters? Thanks in advance! Best
I`ve said this on other reviews but I cannot help but feel this box is a bit of a gimmick for RND. They are clearly going after the Fusion which is fine but with no sidechain input, RND clearly missed the mark. The Silk Module is definitely great but the EQ, Compressor, and Width Modules are very limited. Again, it feels gimmicky. Its unfortunate because their MBP is a work of art and if they were looking to compliment that, they should have given us a 4 band parametric EQ with high and low pass filters. If they really want to go after the home/project studio market, offer the Super Silk and this EQ (plus a mid EQ) Module for $1499. Put THAT in a one rack space and watch how fast people eat it up.
Hey Matty, thanks again for a great demo. I’m thinking of buying the Silver Bullet MK2 (hardware) for my mix bus. How would you say the MBT stacks up in terms of usefulness and the silk vs the SB N circuit?
That’s a tough one. They kinda of different but both give you vibe for sure. I’ll put it this way. I still have my silver bullet, and I’m prob gonna return this MBT. Haha. Also I must say the sliver bullet plugin is really dam close to
@@mixedbymatty Thanks Matty, that’s useful. And yeah, I watched your video on the SB MKII hardware vs software, and agree the tone is very close, but there was the usual depth and dimension difference, that remains between the two, and I want that 5-10% difference on my stereo mix bus.
Which of the product design trade offs do you think were misapplied with this product? The margins? The cost of component sourcing? Too many features? The cost of assembly and manufacturing? Or are you just saying you can’t afford it and you’re frustrated about that? Honest question.
Great demonstration. Do you think optical comp. is O.K. on a fast paced music (for little glue) like EDM, it has blend knob so I think it's just fine. The release is only 100ms but what I've heard here is the bomb. It's fast enough for just a little spice :))
Good video, but there's something about this unit that doesn't really set it apart for me. It seems pretty basic, apart from the nice saturation, but using an opto compressor on the master bus unit seems an odd choice. I'm not really sure who this is for.
@@mixedbymatty Yes i understand .. but can you compare the saturation of SB to the MBT ? I have SB and am wondering if MBT will do something better for me on the master bus . Thanks
This is not better than the SSL Fussion...I think the Fussion is a Better Choice Just shot this out against My own Master Using all SSL Nebula Plugins with my own analog gear vs that same mix...ran through the MBT on Access Analog...I beat it....sorry for $4000 thats unacceptable....... the SSL Fusion or the Silver Bullet is a Better Idea...as far as a final unit to run everything through....I would do everthing in the box..and add a Silver bullet to your analog outboard gear and call it a day.......
Not really hearing any difference when engaged. I used headphones. For $4000 I expect to hear a noticeable difference. It could be TH-cam Quality. I don’t know, what’s your take on it?
I went fairly subtle in the mix example. I Really dig the subtle touches it brings though. Agree not sure if it's worth it. Gonna play with it a few more days before I decide if I should keep or not.
I think because the source content song is already well mixed and has some colour to it, the examples with the MBT have to be subtle. But it definitely added some polish and openness to the mix, but it’s not night and day.
The MBP has alot more features in the compressor. The SFE on the MBP is also extraordinary. The MBT cannot hold a candle to it. The MBP also has a limiter which often gets overlooked. I`m disappointed in this unit. As an owner of the MBP, the MBT is too redundant. I`m hoping RND gives us the "MBEQ"... a 4 band parametric EQ with high and low pass filters with the same color scheme, indented knobs, and in a 2 rack space. That would be much more complimentary to the MBP. This unit feels a bit toy-ish, like the Fusion. Jack of all trades, master of none...
@@ernestbuckley8671 Thanks Ernest! I also own the MBP and I was trying to see if the MBT would add value and I agree with you I don't see the valued added for me at that cost. I was thinking maybe I could use it on the drum or vocal bus, but other wise then that I don't see any added value. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying there isn't any not just for me.
@@ernestbuckley8671 Thanks Ernest! I also own the MBP I was trying to see if there are any advantages of owning the MBT as well. And I agree with you, in my case I don't see any advantage especially at $4k. I was thinking as a drum/vocal bus processor it would be nice, but again at $4k I can't justify the cost for me. I am not saying it doesn't have it's place, I think its a great box, maybe down the road when I can think of a use case I may pick it up. I am also waiting to see how others may use it with in a chain with the MBP.
Disclamer: I am not trolling this Video....I think this is an awesome unit....especially as a final analog mastering Unit...for anyones Studio..... I have discorved using my own songs as audio experiments..... If you use Amethyst 4 by Acustica Audio...with Karacter by Plugin and Alliance on Turbo Mode but only at 35% with ASH Grey D2...on your Analog mix Then use the Amethyst 4 Pre in 2500 Bus Mode, again with Karacter (Master) Amek 250 EQ with THD up to 100 and Stereo with up to 120, Nebula Alex Bs Pres Colors and Saturation in Rupert Neve Silk Mode and Ash Again on final analog Master that 100% Duplicates the Same Width, Tone, Lushness, and Sonic Weight on that Unit Now...all the Plugins together Total.....$450-$500 but....thats not a bad Investment while your Saving up for this or a Portico
People need to start demo’n this stuff with raw stems. I want to really hear the unit. I have one coming today so I will get first hand experience. But too many using already processed sounding takes for examples.
@@TeeDubz the high pass filter is the best sounding filter I have in my studio. Use it to high pass my vocals sometimes. Idk what it is but I love it. The eq is hard to make sound bad. Musical. Sweet. The comp is colored but nice. I use it generously. Wish it had an attack and more ratios though. The width is the star of the show imo. Super nice. The silk is ok. A little goes a long way in my opinion. It gets out of control very fast imo. But then again I was never head over hills with “silk” I used to have a the portico channel strip and was never impressed with silk on the pre. Works better on the master bus but still don’t use much. Unit is over priced though for sure but It will enhance your sound
Now we need API to make a fun box
Would a Neve orbit 5057 be needed if I had this?
Hey Matty! If You Choose this Neve or Mcdsp APB, what's your advice? I usually work ITB with god particle on mixbus with no limiter after my master chain?
What do you think? Which one is achieve for better mix and masters?
Thanks in advance!
Best
I used APB about a year then sold it.. try AA. Especially if ITB often.
@@bobomark4136 hmmm, i love AA stuff, ruby etc, so APB dont a game changer? 😩 thanks for your answer
Still does not beat the MBP. Way too much dough for a color box.
I`ve said this on other reviews but I cannot help but feel this box is a bit of a gimmick for RND. They are clearly going after the Fusion which is fine but with no sidechain input, RND clearly missed the mark.
The Silk Module is definitely great but the EQ, Compressor, and Width Modules are very limited. Again, it feels gimmicky.
Its unfortunate because their MBP is a work of art and if they were looking to compliment that, they should have given us a 4 band parametric EQ with high and low pass filters.
If they really want to go after the home/project studio market, offer the Super Silk and this EQ (plus a mid EQ) Module for $1499. Put THAT in a one rack space and watch how fast people eat it up.
WANT!
Hay Matty. Can you do a video shoot out on the silver bullet and neve mbt? Thanks
Hey Matty, thanks again for a great demo. I’m thinking of buying the Silver Bullet MK2 (hardware) for my mix bus. How would you say the MBT stacks up in terms of usefulness and the silk vs the SB N circuit?
That’s a tough one. They kinda of different but both give you vibe for sure. I’ll put it this way. I still have my silver bullet, and I’m prob gonna return this MBT. Haha.
Also I must say the sliver bullet plugin is really dam close to
@@mixedbymatty You mean SB makes MBT kinda redundant .. speaking about the saturation for example ?
@@mixedbymatty Thanks Matty, that’s useful.
And yeah, I watched your video on the SB MKII hardware vs software, and agree the tone is very close, but there was the usual depth and dimension difference, that remains between the two, and I want that 5-10% difference on my stereo mix bus.
Price is outrageous!
Which of the product design trade offs do you think were misapplied with this product? The margins? The cost of component sourcing? Too many features? The cost of assembly and manufacturing? Or are you just saying you can’t afford it and you’re frustrated about that? Honest question.
Great demonstration. Do you think optical comp. is O.K. on a fast paced music (for little glue) like EDM, it has blend knob so I think it's just fine. The release is only 100ms but what I've heard here is the bomb. It's fast enough for just a little spice :))
Good video, but there's something about this unit that doesn't really set it apart for me. It seems pretty basic, apart from the nice saturation, but using an opto compressor on the master bus unit seems an odd choice. I'm not really sure who this is for.
The Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor is an Opto in series with a VCA
@@joshkorody7376most use the vca section, opto isn’t bad btw but not for mastering purpose I’d say
Do Silver Bullet VS MBT comparison please ! It will be super interesting 💯💯
Different things. :)
@@mixedbymatty Yes i understand .. but can you compare the saturation of SB to the MBT ? I have SB and am wondering if MBT will do something better for me on the master bus . Thanks
Great demo. Thank you for taking the time.
thanks for the great video!
My man!
Nice. How many more devices did Rupert leave in his will ?
Hi Matty, tks for the video! Do you know what’s is the fixed attack time on the Color Comp? Thanks again
at the very end was a better gain match, and yes its nice but probably you already have stuff that will make same difference......
The MBT is 🔥. The ZENER + Super Silk sounds killer.
This is not better than the SSL Fussion...I think the Fussion is a Better Choice
Just shot this out against
My own Master
Using all SSL Nebula Plugins with my own analog gear
vs that same mix...ran through the MBT on Access Analog...I beat it....sorry
for $4000 thats unacceptable.......
the SSL Fusion or the Silver Bullet is a Better Idea...as far as a final unit to run everything through....I would do everthing in the box..and add a Silver bullet to your analog outboard gear and call it a day.......
MBT smokes the fusion; not on price though.
Cool vid, liked and subscribed.
Not really hearing any difference when engaged. I used headphones. For $4000 I expect to hear a noticeable difference. It could be TH-cam Quality. I don’t know, what’s your take on it?
I went fairly subtle in the mix example. I Really dig the subtle touches it brings though. Agree not sure if it's worth it. Gonna play with it a few more days before I decide if I should keep or not.
I think because the source content song is already well mixed and has some colour to it, the examples with the MBT have to be subtle. But it definitely added some polish and openness to the mix, but it’s not night and day.
Hi, would you use it live?
It does make the mix feel alive
Nice mix
cool Neve !!!
Do your thing @Plugin Alliance
Hahahaha. Not letting them get me again.
Nice!
Good video Mat but that does this compare to the MBP?
Different thing. Different style compressor. Different EQ’s.
The MBP has alot more features in the compressor. The SFE on the MBP is also extraordinary. The MBT cannot hold a candle to it. The MBP also has a limiter which often gets overlooked. I`m disappointed in this unit. As an owner of the MBP, the MBT is too redundant. I`m hoping RND gives us the "MBEQ"... a 4 band parametric EQ with high and low pass filters with the same color scheme, indented knobs, and in a 2 rack space. That would be much more complimentary to the MBP. This unit feels a bit toy-ish, like the Fusion. Jack of all trades, master of none...
@@ernestbuckley8671 Thanks Ernest! I also own the MBP and I was trying to see if the MBT would add value and I agree with you I don't see the valued added for me at that cost. I was thinking maybe I could use it on the drum or vocal bus, but other wise then that I don't see any added value. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying there isn't any not just for me.
@@mixc8 its a “higher end” Fusion w/o sidechain which makes no sense to me.
@@ernestbuckley8671 Thanks Ernest! I also own the MBP I was trying to see if there are any advantages of owning the MBT as well. And I agree with you, in my case I don't see any advantage especially at $4k. I was thinking as a drum/vocal bus processor it would be nice, but again at $4k I can't justify the cost for me. I am not saying it doesn't have it's place, I think its a great box, maybe down the road when I can think of a use case I may pick it up. I am also waiting to see how others may use it with in a chain with the MBP.
It gave it a nice lift & sheen but I swear there's software equivalents which can achieve the same result
not really man, plugins sound like shit compared to hardware
Disclamer: I am not trolling this Video....I think this is an awesome unit....especially as a final analog mastering Unit...for anyones Studio.....
I have discorved using my own songs as audio experiments.....
If you use Amethyst 4 by Acustica Audio...with Karacter by Plugin and Alliance on Turbo Mode but only at 35% with ASH Grey D2...on your Analog mix
Then use the Amethyst 4 Pre in 2500 Bus Mode, again with Karacter (Master) Amek 250 EQ with THD up to 100 and Stereo with up to 120, Nebula Alex Bs Pres Colors and Saturation in Rupert Neve Silk Mode and Ash Again on final analog Master
that 100% Duplicates the Same Width, Tone, Lushness, and Sonic Weight on that Unit
Now...all the Plugins together Total.....$450-$500 but....thats not a bad Investment while your Saving up for this or a Portico
I had all these units in my studio and the one plugin that kills them all is spectre from waves factory. We talk about harmonics.
People need to start demo’n this stuff with raw stems. I want to really hear the unit. I have one coming today so I will get first hand experience. But too many using already processed sounding takes for examples.
What did you think of the unit?
@@TeeDubz the high pass filter is the best sounding filter I have in my studio. Use it to high pass my vocals sometimes. Idk what it is but I love it. The eq is hard to make sound bad. Musical. Sweet. The comp is colored but nice. I use it generously. Wish it had an attack and more ratios though. The width is the star of the show imo. Super nice. The silk is ok. A little goes a long way in my opinion. It gets out of control very fast imo. But then again I was never head over hills with “silk” I used to have a the portico channel strip and was never impressed with silk on the pre. Works better on the master bus but still don’t use much. Unit is over priced though for sure but It will enhance your sound
@@byus6928 Thanks man!