You know its a uniquely bad keyboard when Thomas has to spend most of his time explaining just how bad it gets that he doesn't actually end up swearing all that much until much later in the review. You really have to wonder if anyone at Tai-Hao even bothered to test the keyboard out before signing off on it for production. It's like the keyboard equivalent of Big Rigs.
I just want to say how much I appreciate that even though Thomas utilizes a vast and intricate treasure trove of curses, swears and expletives, he never uses any words that demean people's race, gender, sexuality, disability etc. It goes to show that you can conjure swearing hilarity like a stand up comic without being an actual asshole. Thank you Thomas for all the laughs and great reviews.
Switches becoming simplified are not a bad thing, if done well. Look at optical switches. four parts: Top and bottom housing, spring, slider. They're amongst the smoothest I've tried even unlubed. However, some companies simplify switches just to save on costs. That's when the shit hits the fan. Or the finger hits shit, to be more exact
@@jo_naash Moreover, engineers loves simplifications. It reduces cost and size, increase durability, reparability, mutability and more. When it is even worst than a cheapo 3 part rubber dome you know that they are just engineering to the marketing team's specs of "it's mechanical" and "it's budget", not simplification
Watching the typing demo elicited such a strong emotional anguish in me that it actually manifested as physical pain. Yes, this is the first time I've ever experienced actual physical pain from watching someone type on a keyboard. It was like watching a loved one being stabbed over and over again - slowly, sadistically, and unrelenting.
So, in short, this keyboard is not just bad because of the keyfeel, it's bad from a basic switch design perspective. It's like mixing Acer switches with Amstrad spring over membranes, but with all the shitness of the Amstrads and none of the advantages of the Acers.
I made the mistake of watching this while eating lunch in my car... ...and now, most of my lunch has been blown onto the instrument cluster. Talk about sadistic!
We sell gear branded stuff in our store, I recognize the logo. However, they make phonecases now. I guess they just get generic manufacturers and put their own brand on it?
How ironic is it that these kinds of rubbish boards are usable nowadays with a convertor, but some of the actual cool and interesting boards haven't been successfully converted yet. Poor Thomas and his painful (but oh so amusing) hobby :D
I got 3 of these keyboards from my school yesteryear, and i can confirm that they suck a lot. Especially in the condition they were: some click leaves were corroded and some were stuck. I tried replacing them, but i failed and in the end i dropped 2 of them in the trash, and the one that is in the best shape is here with me.
...I have three of these, that's right three, buying them was the price for also being able to buy a rare model F terminal board from the same seller... ...i saw that they had double shot alps caps so i agreed to it... ...out of curiousity, i grabbed a screw driver and took one apart at Southern Cross Station train platform in Melbourne... ...the springs and leaves exploded everywhere...
I have one of these APC things, with 2 click leaves, exact same construction branded "Dalton" (/EDIT). That was so fun when I opened it, immediately scattering a cubic foot of spings & leaves & sliders all around. All in all, after cleaning the dust and soaking sliders in PTFE WD40, it's not that bad. Well, squeaky and rattly, with an inconsistent key click, maybe a bit too light for my taste but still... ok, 2 click leaves just mean half the sh|t you described, but at least keys do not get stuck (yet...)
Tai Hao does pretty solid Alps clones for cheap as heck. It's wild that they would do this. The Acer switch is a genuinely pretty good switch for being non discrete, so there's a decent blueprint for them. Basically make the Alps but actuate with a membrane. But if you aren't, then just smash a rubber dome. Why bother with all the crap?
Holy crap those Alps keycaps you showed at the end. I managed to de-yellow all my OmniKey caps for a while but they're re-yellowing fast. Plus I think one of the numpad-5 keys maaaaay have gone down the drain.
When you hear the typing at the end with the combination of all the bad things this keyboard gets : OH MY EFFING GOD UGGGGHHHHH DEAR LORD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS
I used to have one of the double full size leaf spring versions, strangely the other leaf spring appears to be copper. I don’t recall anything regarding the keyfeel, but I assume since I took it apart and took the click leaves to mod a tactile Alps board, I wasn’t too fond of it.
@Chirosran22 Hi mate! I know it doesn't relate at all with the utter trashbin of a keyboard you've just reviewed (how do you keep your sanity while dealing with that botched arseproduct, it's beyond me), but I'd like to ask you a technical thing: "Do Mathias switches have the same pin arrangement as Cherry MX?" The reason is quite simple: I have a Cooler Master SGK4070KK, Italian Layout, equipped with MX Reds. It's almost 3 years old now and it's starting to give out a lot of bad input on the letters O and E, despite regular cleaning and care. I've also opened the switches to get rid of the issue, but to no avail, so I was thinking about changing them to the Mathias Quiet Linear Red. Is that a good idea or I'm risking a botched transplant? And are there factories selling custom (as in "I can replicate the Italian Layout on them") ALPS-like caps? Thanks for your time, mate :)
The pin arrangements on Matias switches are, unfortunately, not the same as in Cherry switches. The dimensions of the switches themselves are also different, so it would be hard enough to transplant the switches anyway. That said, Matias said in 2013 on a keyboard forum that they were working on trying to make custom projects easier, and I believe there are some companies that still make custom ALPS-mount keycaps. Hope this helps.
If anyone isn't Thomas, he or she would have just harvested the click leaves because that's the only good thing the board had (besides it's servicability)
The conductive membranes remind me of my (broken) Model M. The conductive material (varnish with iron particles?) is quite prone to corrosion. Lousy, ain't it?
Strip the keycaps and take it to the recycling center. At least it'll get ground up and never have to hurt anyone again... EDIT: I just realized that, with the exception of the bottom row, these caps could cover my KB5981 with Montereys...
Does it feel like an Amstrad spring over membrane? Is it another "god of spoon" summoner? BTW, can this can of shit be a donor of click leafs for switches that have _mantis foot_ clicker or switches that can fit the large ones?
I went back through all my youtube comments and strolled across this gem. Decided to give the typing test another listen out of morbid curiosity and my god the same physical reaction / retraction.
Hey could you do an update of the Top 5 Tactile Switches, if there are any you want to add to the list? I’m currently in the market for some of the best tactile/clicky switches that are extreme in their categories. Thanks!
I wonder, are the click leaves and springs at all compatible with actual Alps switches? Maybe they could be a decent source of potential replacement parts.
It was initially the intro to his Top 7 WORST-SOUNDING switches of all time video. Later on it stuck on as a gag whenever a bad keyboard appeared and he was about to swear a lot.
Hang on, hang on. Does this mean that this keyboard is somehow _worse_ than those execrable silver-and-black HP office rubberdome keyboards? You know, the ones that clutter up every computer junk shop, and that you don't even want to touch just to lift them up and see if something else is underneath them?
I don’t remember seeing one, but Thomas has reviewed the original Model F. It’s here, if you haven’t seen it before: th-cam.com/video/uKOWVKJRFX8/w-d-xo.html
@@dfkman between 3 and 2 I think, possibly even WORSE than the smith corona leaf springs because at least I think THOSE stay put in their place(At least, I THINK they do).
This is a great question to ask because, to answer it properly, Thomas would have to dig out all the former contenders and subject himself to the torture of trying them all again to compare them with the G2101. That's probably a two jenever bottle job.
Oh man, that typing demo. I can hear the anger in keystrokes.
Already know this is gonna be a good one, going to get my beer and popcorn.
Smart man
You know its a uniquely bad keyboard when Thomas has to spend most of his time explaining just how bad it gets that he doesn't actually end up swearing all that much until much later in the review. You really have to wonder if anyone at Tai-Hao even bothered to test the keyboard out before signing off on it for production. It's like the keyboard equivalent of Big Rigs.
Except there's 0 charm in this keyboard
BIG RIGSSS
Not to mention the lack of "HHHIDEOUS" or "in imperial" quips. This board is definitely unique in its bad design.
The only reason they made them was to be the lowest priced supplier. I'd be surprised if that keyboard costed more than $2 a piece in volume.
*AVGN PTSD ENTERS CHAT*
After reading semi-mechanical, I knew exactly what was about to flash on screen.
I just want to say how much I appreciate that even though Thomas utilizes a vast and intricate treasure trove of curses, swears and expletives, he never uses any words that demean people's race, gender, sexuality, disability etc. It goes to show that you can conjure swearing hilarity like a stand up comic without being an actual asshole. Thank you Thomas for all the laughs and great reviews.
I feel like switches are getting so simplified, at some point they will be nothing but a rubber dome and a..... spring.............
*o h .*
Or ... if you're Apple ... glass.
Switches becoming simplified are not a bad thing, if done well. Look at optical switches. four parts: Top and bottom housing, spring, slider. They're amongst the smoothest I've tried even unlubed. However, some companies simplify switches just to save on costs. That's when the shit hits the fan. Or the finger hits shit, to be more exact
@@jo_naash Moreover, engineers loves simplifications. It reduces cost and size, increase durability, reparability, mutability and more. When it is even worst than a cheapo 3 part rubber dome you know that they are just engineering to the marketing team's specs of "it's mechanical" and "it's budget", not simplification
At least they’re not just a Naked membrane on glass.
The letter C popping back up is perfect comedic timing. God I love the WANING series of reviews
WANING: you have been waned
That waning gets him an immediate like. 🤣
Don't encourage him!
Oh, alright then, do.
Shouldn't it be WARNING, not Waning, its spelt wrong ! Waning is what the moon does as it fades from the sky.
Waning: non-rhotic spelling?
@@covlinuxguy you may not need the woooosh but your comment certainly do
Dang the last time I was this early to a video Thomas was still making switch top 10 lists
Watching the typing demo elicited such a strong emotional anguish in me that it actually manifested as physical pain. Yes, this is the first time I've ever experienced actual physical pain from watching someone type on a keyboard. It was like watching a loved one being stabbed over and over again - slowly, sadistically, and unrelenting.
So, in short, this keyboard is not just bad because of the keyfeel, it's bad from a basic switch design perspective. It's like mixing Acer switches with Amstrad spring over membranes, but with all the shitness of the Amstrads and none of the advantages of the Acers.
That looks like a good enough keyboard to deserve a typing demo XL
That's exactly why I stopped doing those videos :p .
It types like a bag of loose teeth.
Early morning here. This voice is great to hear any time of the day.
Actually Tai-Hao in Chinese means ' too good'...
wouldnt it be taihaola then? its just very good
@@LZ58840 thats awesome! Thanks for the hanzi!
th-cam.com/video/35ntRVYiOUg/w-d-xo.html
8:04 perfect timing
I made the mistake of watching this while eating lunch in my car...
...and now, most of my lunch has been blown onto the instrument cluster.
Talk about sadistic!
We sell gear branded stuff in our store, I recognize the logo.
However, they make phonecases now. I guess they just get generic manufacturers and put their own brand on it?
this is his most calm video honestly
Perfect for Halloween. That keyboard flex was a horrific nightmare.
W A N I N G
How ironic is it that these kinds of rubbish boards are usable nowadays with a convertor, but some of the actual cool and interesting boards haven't been successfully converted yet. Poor Thomas and his painful (but oh so amusing) hobby :D
8:05 Whee! That was fun!
he went all in on that waning joke
I got 3 of these keyboards from my school yesteryear, and i can confirm that they suck a lot. Especially in the condition they were: some click leaves were corroded and some were stuck. I tried replacing them, but i failed and in the end i dropped 2 of them in the trash, and the one that is in the best shape is here with me.
Hearing the scratchiness gave me goosebumps
...I have three of these, that's right three, buying them was the price for also being able to buy a rare model F terminal board from the same seller...
...i saw that they had double shot alps caps so i agreed to it...
...out of curiousity, i grabbed a screw driver and took one apart at Southern Cross Station train platform in Melbourne...
...the springs and leaves exploded everywhere...
The rage reviews are clearly the best reviews
I have one of these APC things, with 2 click leaves, exact same construction branded "Dalton" (/EDIT). That was so fun when I opened it, immediately scattering a cubic foot of spings & leaves & sliders all around. All in all, after cleaning the dust and soaking sliders in PTFE WD40, it's not that bad. Well, squeaky and rattly, with an inconsistent key click, maybe a bit too light for my taste but still... ok, 2 click leaves just mean half the sh|t you described, but at least keys do not get stuck (yet...)
oh yes. time to start my weekend off with a spicy keyboard review
Tai Hao does pretty solid Alps clones for cheap as heck. It's wild that they would do this. The Acer switch is a genuinely pretty good switch for being non discrete, so there's a decent blueprint for them. Basically make the Alps but actuate with a membrane. But if you aren't, then just smash a rubber dome. Why bother with all the crap?
the typing demo made all the hair on the back of my neck stand up
7:16 I just can't hold the laughter before he even starts making insulting joke.
Holy crap those Alps keycaps you showed at the end. I managed to de-yellow all my OmniKey caps for a while but they're re-yellowing fast. Plus I think one of the numpad-5 keys maaaaay have gone down the drain.
Congrats on 100k! I must wan you to not let the fame go to your head.
edit: the FUCKING THING SOUNDS LIKE WHEN YOU ROOT AROUND IN THE LEGO BIN FFS
Are they actually worse than MX type switches?
Bruh, MX switches are mediocre at worst. These things don't even function at all as key switches.
these might be worse than cherry MY, so yes, they are
Sees "WANING"
Ah, I should go get a snack.
Let's all go to the lobby;
Let's all go to the lobby;
Let's all go to the lobby
To get ourselves a treat.
When you hear the typing at the end with the combination of all the bad things this keyboard gets :
OH MY EFFING GOD UGGGGHHHHH
DEAR LORD HAVE MERCY ON OUR SOULS
HOLY SHIT I NEVER REALIZED THAT THESE WOULD BE *THIS* BAD ARE THESE WORSE THAN SMITH CORONA LEAF SPRINGS
god that typing demonstration though
@4:50 Springs going sideways hitting other things are a Good Thing™. And anyone saying otherwise can expect a whack with the old Model M.
I had the same thought.
I used to have one of the double full size leaf spring versions, strangely the other leaf spring appears to be copper. I don’t recall anything regarding the keyfeel, but I assume since I took it apart and took the click leaves to mod a tactile Alps board, I wasn’t too fond of it.
I mean they couldove glued the springs to the mebranes and slider, and glue the clickleaf to the top housing
I haven't LAUGHED this hard or this loud in a while!!! 🤣
@Chirosran22
Hi mate! I know it doesn't relate at all with the utter trashbin of a keyboard you've just reviewed (how do you keep your sanity while dealing with that botched arseproduct, it's beyond me), but I'd like to ask you a technical thing:
"Do Mathias switches have the same pin arrangement as Cherry MX?"
The reason is quite simple: I have a Cooler Master SGK4070KK, Italian Layout, equipped with MX Reds. It's almost 3 years old now and it's starting to give out a lot of bad input on the letters O and E, despite regular cleaning and care. I've also opened the switches to get rid of the issue, but to no avail, so I was thinking about changing them to the Mathias Quiet Linear Red. Is that a good idea or I'm risking a botched transplant? And are there factories selling custom (as in "I can replicate the Italian Layout on them") ALPS-like caps?
Thanks for your time, mate :)
The pin arrangements on Matias switches are, unfortunately, not the same as in Cherry switches. The dimensions of the switches themselves are also different, so it would be hard enough to transplant the switches anyway. That said, Matias said in 2013 on a keyboard forum that they were working on trying to make custom projects easier, and I believe there are some companies that still make custom ALPS-mount keycaps. Hope this helps.
Hey thomas, can you try out the new cherry viola switches ?
i have been waiting for the day that a keyboard sucks so bad that you interrupt the typing demonstration to destroy it
A warning of waning? No signs of you waning, Thomas :)
3:35 Unironically kind of want to have something like that in the modern day. I'm a tactility nutcase.
If anyone isn't Thomas, he or she would have just harvested the click leaves because that's the only good thing the board had (besides it's servicability)
My wrists are aching from just watching this video!
The conductive membranes remind me of my (broken) Model M. The conductive material (varnish with iron particles?) is quite prone to corrosion. Lousy, ain't it?
Top 10 best burning Switches please
Very keystroke from the typing test feels like an ice pick entering my eardrum
*W A N I N G*
A mark of an excellence video
I notice now you press enter with your thumb. Nice👏
Strip the keycaps and take it to the recycling center. At least it'll get ground up and never have to hurt anyone again...
EDIT: I just realized that, with the exception of the bottom row, these caps could cover my KB5981 with Montereys...
(since you mentioned the laser key"board") I still want to see your take on the Waytools TextBlade… SOMEONE GET THIS MAN A TREG UNIT!!
Does it feel like an Amstrad spring over membrane? Is it another "god of spoon" summoner?
BTW, can this can of shit be a donor of click leafs for switches that have _mantis foot_ clicker or switches that can fit the large ones?
The one time I'm okay with sacrificing a board
At least the Razer Ornata *functions* as a keyboard. This thing is as if they forgot to put a backplate on the damn thing last minute.
I wanna hear what that double click leaf board board sounds like....
Today I learned it was possible for my testicles to retreat into my body for their own protection after listening to you type on that keyboard.
I went back through all my youtube comments and strolled across this gem. Decided to give the typing test another listen out of morbid curiosity and my god the same physical reaction / retraction.
0:30 - Hello and welcome to this *sighs* review...
But it is worse than the Smith-Corona leaf spring?
Hey could you do an update of the Top 5 Tactile Switches, if there are any you want to add to the list? I’m currently in the market for some of the best tactile/clicky switches that are extreme in their categories. Thanks!
10:45 the squeak is louder than my grandparents having sex
Don't think I've ever been this early before!!! Where could one get a board with Tai Hao switches?
I wonder, are the click leaves and springs at all compatible with actual Alps switches? Maybe they could be a decent source of potential replacement parts.
*cherry mx browns are some of the most tactile switches ever made!*
Stuck key: "I've fallen and I can't get up!"
Just for reference, are these switches somehow worse than Apple Scissor Switches?
so he made a typo in "waning" coz the reviewed keyboard is so bad at typing. I get the reference
Not really, it has become a staple of this channel.
It was initially the intro to his Top 7 WORST-SOUNDING switches of all time video. Later on it stuck on as a gag whenever a bad keyboard appeared and he was about to swear a lot.
@@mhammadalloush5104 ok ok I get it
@@hax0rz36 r/woooosh
@@mhammadalloush5104 r/woooosh
It`s fun to type this comment from APS Clicker in 2024 :)) Thank you for review!
would you take this board or the Smith cornona lol
Chyros sounded more sympathetic in this review than angry. I think he felt bad for the poor board's existence.
So this switch vs. Smith Corona leaf spring?
i didnt know something could be scratchier than browns
On the up side, it does have a big-ass enter key.
wouldn't buckling spring design be cheaper and easier to make at this point?
1) tolerances 2) patents
Nice
ITS TIME...
you should put the keycaps and the chasis in a hydrogen peroxide bath with UV light.
8:09 I C what you did there :} Nice timing though!
missing imperial units conversion
waning: even when he swears the 'f' word, I really thought it was a legit keyboard term lol.
wow even the typing sound is like someone spitting on my face
Chyros, seasoned old lady shaker and keyboard reviewer ;)
every time i see one of the typing-demos, i realizie, that i _never_ use the right shiftkey :D
Great review as always. Honestly you have so much patience to review this tortutre tool of the middle age...
what's the switch used for your intro?
I know I'm late, but they're blue Alps, his favourite sounding switch
Hang on, hang on. Does this mean that this keyboard is somehow _worse_ than those execrable silver-and-black HP office rubberdome keyboards? You know, the ones that clutter up every computer junk shop, and that you don't even want to touch just to lift them up and see if something else is underneath them?
Bro I'm just dying when he's like when you Flex it and makes it terrible creaking noise like an old lady's skeleton😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wonder who would win in a swearing compaction chyro or Gordon Ramsay
Have you tried the new model f keyboards yet?
I don’t remember seeing one, but Thomas has reviewed the original Model F.
It’s here, if you haven’t seen it before: th-cam.com/video/uKOWVKJRFX8/w-d-xo.html
@@XalphYT good review, I wonder how the new models compare to the original.
Well damn I’m rather early to this one
Neat
GEIR! GIER! GIER!
Somebody will get it.
Gotta get the 1-grit out for this one.
Get your bum wipes!
so where would this place on the "worst switches of all time" list?
Judging from how he described it, probably top 5 easy if not top 3
@@dfkman between 3 and 2 I think, possibly even WORSE than the smith corona leaf springs because at least I think THOSE stay put in their place(At least, I THINK they do).
This is a great question to ask because, to answer it properly, Thomas would have to dig out all the former contenders and subject himself to the torture of trying them all again to compare them with the G2101.
That's probably a two jenever bottle job.
you speak such good french!
dang i didn't think that keyboards could have erectile dysfunction.
11:05 why did I laugh at that
Ah yes the key feel of a mashed potato without gravy
mashed potatoes are to smooth. It's just fucking *chalk*