As someone who watched the 6 hour long ass unabridged lore for NieR they also mention that the original 9 also found about their black boxes made from a machine core which what both have in common were disgusted but 9 took so far to the point where he was the maker of their own demise Project Yorha
9S being killed over and over by 2B is something I like to call "The Curse of Zinnia" It doesn't just affect 9S and 2B either, but multiple Number 9 and Number 2 models of various types. Number 9 murdering Zinnia could be seen as YoRHa's original sin.
There is something you forgot as well. The anime showed us the what if scenario if 9S let his self conscious data "lose control" and it did in fact temporarily open the door. However, what is new this time around is that develop is the one to use her body to keep the door open instead of actually opening it from a failed hacking.
You're right I did forget to mention that. But it looks like I also missed another appearance of the red girls! I told myself to keep an eye on them. But the last couple episodes I keep missing them!
9:52 Prior to the NieR ARG with the Church, those cans were believed to be the last secret of Nier Automata. If you inputted a certain sequence of numbers, it would immediately bring you to the end of the game. I just thought it was interesting for the “old 9S” to be In that shot with the themes of truth and the end being so prominent at this point
My heart was crushed seeing both twins journey on the desert as they looked for a different camp in hopes that they may get better treatment from the previous one, especially where they hold hands as Dev was limping while they approach Lily's camp. No matter how much pain and suffering they'll feel, they'll always endure as long as they have each other. 😢 Hurts more than I imagined them to be while reading those text-only scenes in the game.
The battle that crossed space and time is won, the awesome enemy defeated at last. But the blood of the heroes who saved the world paints the tower red. To catch the lion's cub, you must enter the lion's den. But... but at least Don't forget me. Ever. Is this the land of the gods? It is done! At last... Eco one. The target has neutralized. Over and out
The lore about the Grimoires at the beginning of the video was super interesting! (I didn't know any of that at all haha) NieR content is kind of rare nowadays so I've really enjoyed your videos since I found them a bit ago. Great content. :)
Thank you! Glad you liked them! Yeah it's super interesting hearing about the events before Nier Replicant. I want them to do more games on that! They have thousands of years of material!
I thought it had been confirmed the reason as to why 9S models were still produced were because he was simply too good to use for data in the war against the machines? Maybe I’m remembering something wrong
Another interesting point to note is that The Pod points out "there was a loss of 9S consciousness data within memory sectors" it works into a theory I've had for some time about 9S, and the connection between memories and consciousness in NieR Automata. At least for YoRHa androids. There's a 10H story in NieR Reincarnation that ties into this as well. Where something similar happens to her. Though the communication is more implicit than a full back and forth. In both Cases, when 10H and 9S encounter memories that were removed from them, they appeared as other versions of themselves. They were able to interface, communicate (though in 10H's case her memory didn't talk back, but it didn't have to as 10H was able to glean what it was thinking and feeling without that. It did however fight her.) The "previous" 9S can't move forward in part because he's just memories, a fragment of 9S's own consciousness that was separated from him long ago, now reunited, and then seemingly deleted. My theory is that there's only one, and there has only ever been, one 9S. With multiple bodies, fractured memories, and consciousness that was split apart. With some of it seemingly lost only to be recovered again (then seemingly lost once more). After he was able to recover some memories by hacking into Emil all the way back in episode 5. if he wasn't even the same person I don't see how that would be possible. It's a similar principle to when he survived ending A and B, he split his consciousness apart and then pulled it back together. I have a feeling that something similar happens when they upload their data to the bunker, a piece of themselves goes with it and they can survive through that, but something is potentially lost along the way if they die. Not just the experiences that shape who they are, but a piece of their consciousness as well. "We'll be with you" his memory said. Implying that it might not have been fully deleted. After all at the end of "farewell" the Pods thought ALL of 9S's data was gone for good there as well. Also the Backdoor was meant to open up when YoRHa forces broke the stalemate, the Terminals broke into the Bunker's systems exactly 1 month before the events of the game started according to the timeline on the wiki (I vaguely remember reading a story about that intrusion and the Red Girls expressing relief they weren't caught), I don't think they had full access until Route C.
There is something I have omitted, the introduction of the chapter as telling a fairy tale with the famous long time ago is that Yokotaro initially wanted the game Nier Replicant to have fairy tale characters or their names and it would not even be connected to the Drakengar saga
For the record, This new 9S is called "Another 9S" officially by the anime producers. Also, this 9S is a part of 9S's memory which is what I said many times. 9S has some memories of all othet past 9S.
Wooooooooow what an Episode!!! Im simly speachless until now. But i will try to say somethings: When Grimoire Rubrum appear with this Drakengard and Replicant flashback... I started to freakout VERY HARD. I started to trembeling and shaking almost like a seizure. So good to see emil, kaine, and NieR, even in silhuettes ❤ It was very orgastic. Wishing for and Replicant anime 🥹 I think the twins sin was an tabu. I think that was never said directly, Making to the player to interpret it. Even in other people videos sayin about devola and popola sin... i was never see someone sayin somethin so direct in all letters like now: "the human extinction was because popola and devola fault". (Many people earlier said that popolas's sin is because project gestalt was as faliure, and the project was blablabla and etcetc...) Im very surprised to the show said it in the face so directly. Ans soooooo beautiful is the love about the twins to each other. Devola and Popola holding hands when they arrive at resistance camp made me cry. It was very silly and something simple, but i cried somehow. 9s is an high ending model, and i think that actual 9s, is already figured that 2b was and type E. But it was good to show. It was good to show that every version of 9s felt in love for 2b, and 2b falls in love everytime for 9s. I think that was an philosophical way to say that we have many versions of yourself.... But the soul is the same.... And all this versions of 9s are the same too. In the core. In the end, i just think that this "old 9s" inside the tower is N2 trying to mess the actual 9S, with real data of the older 9s's (You can say many lies telling only the truth) Popola is now infected! Next Episode could be sooo diferent and painful even more, when A2 arrives the tower!!!! 😭😭😭 I think that Hexadecimals is now about ending E. And the pods was suposse to work to accord orgsnization. Such an great Episode!!!! But very heartbroken. Im very broken now (Besides that, i missed the vocals in the music of the song of the ancients in the popola's fight) Ps. I was expecting that could be the "farewell epilogue", or "the end of data" epilogue in the end of the anime. But no. Now I think that the show will ending with ending E, and perhaps with Accord aparison to seal the timeline.
@@GodFireBreakdowns imagine an Popola died because the virus: Devola, now Infected attacks A2 when she arrives the Tower. An battle Begins. At sound of 'song of ancients/devola' from Replicant soundtrack. Devola is stabbed, and she regain her senses... then she asks: "We are able to manage to help?" A2 respond: "yes". Then Devola dies. Its Just an fanfic of my mind freaking out about next Episode!!! 😅 Ps. I dont think that they use any song of the replicant game for this. Like Devola version of The song of the ancients This song is do warm in the Village. But the SAME song was do painful in the battle..... Its Just an fanfic of my mind. But Yoko Taro can make things even worse
But even by your sentence. How is it not starting over? You are saying farewell to you old data. We see the pods starting new. Look at my theories on the ending video. I talk about how even pod says we risk making the same mistakes again. And pod says true but the future isnt given to us. We have to take it for ourselves.
@@GodFireBreakdowns Do you know about the Farewell ending from the NieR concert? After ending E, 2B wakes up but 9S do not. Only 2B & 9S and A2 are alive so. 2B tries to reboot 9S. This is the story after ending E and then story continues in the end of the data NieR concert.
@@jackgerambo Yes there is that possibility. BUT there are possibilities of other futures. That is the point of ending E. To show you there are other possibilities. Yes I am aware of the concert adding a epilogue. But I am just talking about the core ending E of the game and what pod said.
This episode hurts my heart very much because of the twins hardships they've been through but they'd died for saving 9S. Now you've mentioned about Group B, is so mysterious to me because I've never about this group and it was never mentioned in other TH-camrs as well. I wish I could make a comic that a Rebellious Type Accord violates the rules of their Association Group. After Ending D of Drakengard 3, she finally found Zero and the Intoners in the Abyss of Darkness. Then she transported them to, known as "The Other Earth", because the Rebellious Type Accord had been secretly observed and recorded a place called The Archipelago. After their transportation, Accord didn't notice that N2 was also following her. Then the Intoners will meet the Outcasts and the Non-Human Society (N.H.S) teaching them how to live and they'll also help them to remove the flower inside of them. But N2 had also plan of her own, to bring the villains of Drakengard and NieR to Other Earth. So the cycle of chaos, sorrow and pain repeats itself.
@@GodFireBreakdowns I already had my original characters and story but it's still making on Chapter 1. But the Intoners haven't arrive at that time so in this Chapter 1, Accord is secretly observed the characters and the university whether it's safe for Zero or not. The characters are mixed with humans, monsters, mages, Gods and Goddesses; but they're separated from the human society to avoid their existence so they had to blend in among humans
Personal nitpick of mine. They should've left Popola's death as her circuits being fried due to force hacking (like the game) rather than logic virus. It's too repetitive and I don't know why they changed it.
8:09 i still think it was "...all thanked us anyway" or something like that. i don't want to see devola have to kill her own recently infected sister if she can't be cured. it can't get any worse than that for her and for us as viewers but at the same time it would be emotionally impactful to say the least. i don't think she could go on living without her sister. on the other hand it was nice seeing their backstory before the game's events. reading about that was one moment from the game I quite liked
That's a tough one. Right now im leaning towards the back story episodes we got of A2. I have wanted them to show more of A2 and I have gotten it! lol. But I also like that we got more of 2E in episode 13. They animated some side stories!
As someone who watched the 6 hour long ass unabridged lore for NieR they also mention that the original 9 also found about their black boxes made from a machine core which what both have in common were disgusted but 9 took so far to the point where he was the maker of their own demise Project Yorha
9S being killed over and over by 2B is something I like to call "The Curse of Zinnia" It doesn't just affect 9S and 2B either, but multiple Number 9 and Number 2 models of various types. Number 9 murdering Zinnia could be seen as YoRHa's original sin.
@@moffxanatos6376 oh if we go deeper then that we can see why 2B says what she says first thing we see her descent
@@flawedandnotperfect Exactly, hence my choice of words.
@@moffxanatos6376 @flawedandnotperfect you guys deep with this! I love it!!! lol
There is something you forgot as well. The anime showed us the what if scenario if 9S let his self conscious data "lose control" and it did in fact temporarily open the door.
However, what is new this time around is that develop is the one to use her body to keep the door open instead of actually opening it from a failed hacking.
You're right I did forget to mention that. But it looks like I also missed another appearance of the red girls! I told myself to keep an eye on them. But the last couple episodes I keep missing them!
9:52 Prior to the NieR ARG with the Church, those cans were believed to be the last secret of Nier Automata. If you inputted a certain sequence of numbers, it would immediately bring you to the end of the game. I just thought it was interesting for the “old 9S” to be In that shot with the themes of truth and the end being so prominent at this point
Oh snap! I forgot all about that secret! OMG thank you for catching that! Such a small detail easy overlooked!
My heart was crushed seeing both twins journey on the desert as they looked for a different camp in hopes that they may get better treatment from the previous one, especially where they hold hands as Dev was limping while they approach Lily's camp. No matter how much pain and suffering they'll feel, they'll always endure as long as they have each other. 😢
Hurts more than I imagined them to be while reading those text-only scenes in the game.
It's amazing how they keep doing this to us!!
I am glad they animated devola and popela text into animation
Same! I did not want to read all that again! I think that would of done terrible if they tried that in the anime.
Yes I'm glad it was not read this and then come back. Director for this episode did awesome.
@@512lilirose agreed!
The battle that crossed space and time is won, the awesome enemy defeated at last.
But the blood of the heroes who saved the world paints the tower red.
To catch the lion's cub, you must enter the lion's den.
But... but at least Don't forget me. Ever.
Is this the land of the gods?
It is done! At last...
Eco one. The target has neutralized. Over and out
The lore about the Grimoires at the beginning of the video was super interesting! (I didn't know any of that at all haha) NieR content is kind of rare nowadays so I've really enjoyed your videos since I found them a bit ago. Great content. :)
Thank you! Glad you liked them! Yeah it's super interesting hearing about the events before Nier Replicant. I want them to do more games on that! They have thousands of years of material!
I thought it had been confirmed the reason as to why 9S models were still produced were because he was simply too good to use for data in the war against the machines? Maybe I’m remembering something wrong
It could be. I haven't read anything on that. There is so much lore i could of missed it!
The audio report from the twins is reminiscent of the Nier replicant drama cd, on the history up until they find the shadow lord.
Yeah and its a little reminiscent of her reports we heard from her in drakengard 3.
Another interesting point to note is that The Pod points out "there was a loss of 9S consciousness data within memory sectors" it works into a theory I've had for some time about 9S, and the connection between memories and consciousness in NieR Automata. At least for YoRHa androids. There's a 10H story in NieR Reincarnation that ties into this as well. Where something similar happens to her. Though the communication is more implicit than a full back and forth. In both Cases, when 10H and 9S encounter memories that were removed from them, they appeared as other versions of themselves. They were able to interface, communicate (though in 10H's case her memory didn't talk back, but it didn't have to as 10H was able to glean what it was thinking and feeling without that. It did however fight her.)
The "previous" 9S can't move forward in part because he's just memories, a fragment of 9S's own consciousness that was separated from him long ago, now reunited, and then seemingly deleted.
My theory is that there's only one, and there has only ever been, one 9S. With multiple bodies, fractured memories, and consciousness that was split apart. With some of it seemingly lost only to be recovered again (then seemingly lost once more). After he was able to recover some memories by hacking into Emil all the way back in episode 5. if he wasn't even the same person I don't see how that would be possible. It's a similar principle to when he survived ending A and B, he split his consciousness apart and then pulled it back together. I have a feeling that something similar happens when they upload their data to the bunker, a piece of themselves goes with it and they can survive through that, but something is potentially lost along the way if they die. Not just the experiences that shape who they are, but a piece of their consciousness as well. "We'll be with you" his memory said. Implying that it might not have been fully deleted.
After all at the end of "farewell" the Pods thought ALL of 9S's data was gone for good there as well.
Also the Backdoor was meant to open up when YoRHa forces broke the stalemate, the Terminals broke into the Bunker's systems exactly 1 month before the events of the game started according to the timeline on the wiki (I vaguely remember reading a story about that intrusion and the Red Girls expressing relief they weren't caught), I don't think they had full access until Route C.
I like your theory! It does make sense when you look at it that way about 9S. Let's see how he moves forward after this episode!
There is something I have omitted, the introduction of the chapter as telling a fairy tale with the famous long time ago is that Yokotaro initially wanted the game Nier Replicant to have fairy tale characters or their names and it would not even be connected to the Drakengar saga
For the record, This new 9S is called "Another 9S" officially by the anime producers.
Also, this 9S is a part of 9S's memory which is what I said many times. 9S has some memories of all othet past 9S.
Wooooooooow what an Episode!!!
Im simly speachless until now. But i will try to say somethings:
When Grimoire Rubrum appear with this Drakengard and Replicant flashback... I started to freakout VERY HARD. I started to trembeling and shaking
almost like a seizure.
So good to see emil, kaine, and NieR, even in silhuettes ❤
It was very orgastic.
Wishing for and Replicant anime 🥹
I think the twins sin was an tabu. I think that was never said directly, Making to the player to interpret it. Even in other people videos sayin about devola and popola sin...
i was never see someone sayin somethin so direct in all letters like now: "the human extinction was because popola and devola fault".
(Many people earlier said that popolas's sin is because project gestalt was as faliure, and the project was blablabla and etcetc...)
Im very surprised to the show said it in the face so directly.
Ans soooooo beautiful is the love about the twins to each other. Devola and Popola holding hands when they arrive at resistance camp made me cry. It was very silly and something simple, but i cried somehow.
9s is an high ending model, and i think that actual 9s, is already figured that 2b was and type E.
But it was good to show. It was good to show that every version of 9s felt in love for 2b, and 2b falls in love everytime for 9s.
I think that was an philosophical way to say that we have many versions of yourself.... But the soul is the same.... And all this versions of 9s are the same too. In the core.
In the end, i just think that this "old 9s" inside the tower is N2 trying to mess the actual 9S, with real data of the older 9s's
(You can say many lies telling only the truth)
Popola is now infected! Next Episode could be sooo diferent and painful even more, when A2 arrives the tower!!!! 😭😭😭
I think that Hexadecimals is now about ending E. And the pods was suposse to work to accord orgsnization.
Such an great Episode!!!!
But very heartbroken.
Im very broken now
(Besides that, i missed the vocals in the music of the song of the ancients in the popola's fight)
Ps. I was expecting that could be the "farewell epilogue", or "the end of data" epilogue in the end of the anime. But no.
Now I think that the show will ending with ending E, and perhaps with Accord aparison to seal the timeline.
ugh!!! POPOLA!!!! I hope we don't see a repeat of episode 16!!!!
@@GodFireBreakdowns imagine an Popola died because the virus:
Devola, now Infected attacks A2 when she arrives the Tower.
An battle Begins. At sound of 'song of ancients/devola' from Replicant soundtrack.
Devola is stabbed, and she regain her senses... then she asks:
"We are able to manage to help?"
A2 respond: "yes". Then Devola dies.
Its Just an fanfic of my mind freaking out about next Episode!!! 😅
Ps. I dont think that they use any song of the replicant game for this. Like Devola version of The song of the ancients
This song is do warm in the Village. But the SAME song was do painful in the battle.....
Its Just an fanfic of my mind. But Yoko Taro can make things even worse
@@henyvieira You just never know! I have my theories on the next episode but I couldnt tell you how it would go!
@@GodFireBreakdowns both You and I, are wrong.
And Yoko Taro can make pain into us.
@@GodFireBreakdowns besides that. I Will guard something precious to you in the end....
I Will play my Ending E to do It.
This episode is crazy but sad at the end.
Right! My heart can't handle it!
Wait, wait, wait, Ending E doesn't mean starting everything again. After Ending E we have Farewell story, then end of the data.
But even by your sentence. How is it not starting over? You are saying farewell to you old data. We see the pods starting new. Look at my theories on the ending video. I talk about how even pod says we risk making the same mistakes again. And pod says true but the future isnt given to us. We have to take it for ourselves.
@@GodFireBreakdowns Do you know about the Farewell ending from the NieR concert? After ending E, 2B wakes up but 9S do not. Only 2B & 9S and A2 are alive so. 2B tries to reboot 9S. This is the story after ending E and then story continues in the end of the data NieR concert.
@@jackgerambo Yes there is that possibility. BUT there are possibilities of other futures. That is the point of ending E. To show you there are other possibilities. Yes I am aware of the concert adding a epilogue. But I am just talking about the core ending E of the game and what pod said.
@@GodFireBreakdowns Okay! 👍
This episode hurts my heart very much because of the twins hardships they've been through but they'd died for saving 9S.
Now you've mentioned about Group B, is so mysterious to me because I've never about this group and it was never mentioned in other TH-camrs as well.
I wish I could make a comic that a Rebellious Type Accord violates the rules of their Association Group. After Ending D of Drakengard 3, she finally found Zero and the Intoners in the Abyss of Darkness. Then she transported them to, known as "The Other Earth", because the Rebellious Type Accord had been secretly observed and recorded a place called The Archipelago.
After their transportation, Accord didn't notice that N2 was also following her.
Then the Intoners will meet the Outcasts and the Non-Human Society (N.H.S) teaching them how to live and they'll also help them to remove the flower inside of them.
But N2 had also plan of her own, to bring the villains of Drakengard and NieR to Other Earth. So the cycle of chaos, sorrow and pain repeats itself.
Sounds like a good story so far!! You should keep going lol
@@GodFireBreakdowns I already had my original characters and story but it's still making on Chapter 1. But the Intoners haven't arrive at that time so in this Chapter 1, Accord is secretly observed the characters and the university whether it's safe for Zero or not. The characters are mixed with humans, monsters, mages, Gods and Goddesses; but they're separated from the human society to avoid their existence so they had to blend in among humans
15:27 there is N2 for a moment in the next frame
I totally missed her! I told myself too to keep an eye out for her and i missed her!
Personal nitpick of mine. They should've left Popola's death as her circuits being fried due to force hacking (like the game) rather than logic virus. It's too repetitive and I don't know why they changed it.
To make us cry again lol.
Popola devola noooooo
damn you yoko taro
No, POD 153 says "eiko are", as in "let there be glory".
Edit: "Jinrui ni eiko are"'s literal translation -> To humanity, glory let there be.
Oh interesting.
8:09 i still think it was "...all thanked us anyway" or something like that. i don't want to see devola have to kill her own recently infected sister if she can't be cured. it can't get any worse than that for her and for us as viewers but at the same time it would be emotionally impactful to say the least. i don't think she could go on living without her sister. on the other hand it was nice seeing their backstory before the game's events. reading about that was one moment from the game I quite liked
I think so to. Which is also why i hoped something different for them. I guess their programing was to strong. They will always feel that guilt.
Now see here!
-That was hardly the point!
18:14 Are you saying this is from a member form Lily's camp or a the camp that they were before they arrived at Lily's resistance camp?
This was a different resistance member outside of lily camp that attacked devola.
what's ur fav ep of cour1 and 2 respectively so far?
That's a tough one. Right now im leaning towards the back story episodes we got of A2. I have wanted them to show more of A2 and I have gotten it! lol. But I also like that we got more of 2E in episode 13. They animated some side stories!