Borderlands 2: Stop Wasting Skill Points
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ต.ค. 2015
- I keep seeing people run a Maya build that is basiclly 10/5 with all of the points from the Legendary Cat Com, a Sandhawk, Bee, Bone, Grog, and Chain Lighting so they can ignore all of her healing skills. This video is to show you why that is not a good build.
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So here is a moral of the story, at the beginning of the video you had like 1620 smg ammo, by at the end you have 172. This is why the sandhawk should be counting its blessing for the massive smg ammo cap, the pitchfork of smgs....
With Bekah you start with 1200+ and you end with 1000+.
but look at how many times he bursts 3 times to kill some enemies who fall from just a single burst. i did this run with a correctly built Maya and got through with about 600 ammo left, and that includes killing Mobly and Gettle. also think of the single burst being a 4 shot burst expending 3 ammo per shot. thats 12 ammo per burst. thats like using an Interfacer mag per kill, or multiple mags per mini boss or Badass.
nah with bekah
it starts with 1260 and ends with 1620
while you arent looking in your inventory it switches smg and AR ammo just to prove its baddasitude
@@SonGoku-nz5up Huh? Is this true?
The Bekah is EXTREMELY underrated on Maya, it's honestly better on her than AR Axton against everything but things that are immune to Phaselock. Getting consistent quad-crits wiith every shot is almost impossible when you and your enemies are moving -The Bekah is ALL about positioning, and once you get used to it, you can easily line enemies up to Phaselock and spam them with quad-crits - I'm using a Jakobs allegiance relic that cuts the recoil by nearly 50% and a Bee Shield with 10/5 in Ward, and it's been the best damage weapon I've tried, plus you never run out of ammo.
Try a Bekah with the mag size accessory and the jakobs relic with the mag boost, it's crazy how long you can shoot and it still does crazy damage.
Not only the crits but the penetration and unlisted pellets does great things with chain reaction. It's a crazy gun in her, zer0 also makes great use of it. I think they are the 2 best with it. Gaige with stacks under 150 can also be nuts with it.
Thanks for the tip. I took 4 points out of Mind's Eye and Accelerate (which aren't THAT great of bonuses, and are +5 by Legendary Cat AND Siren anyway) and took a few points out of Quicken to spec into Life Tap, Scorn, and Elated (was already into sustenance). Really happy to have Scorn, as any extra skill/melee override makes the characters more fun to play.
(reads title)
Don't tell me what to do.
Yankee Jim lol
I agree
Dickhead
Awesome video Derch. Couldn't agree more. Can't remember the last time I BeeHawked. I rarely use the Cat Com and if I do its usually with Tattlers. Survivability is the key word. And Maya's healing skills are great. Every build I do with her I always find myself making it down to Scorn (which I love)
Here's the basics of this video, as it seems to have gone clean over a lot of people's heads. What he's trying to say is, why use wreck or minds eye if you're just going to bee-hawk everything, which is already massive overkill? Personally I'd say keep wreck and minds eye if A: you plan on not constantly using the bee shield, or B: you plan on farming bosses or loot midgets or something. Also Derch just for future reference, I'd say be a bit less blunt with your points. It seems 75% of the hate this video got was people who seem to think you were calling them stupid.
But cloud kill is OP you just don't know it yet!
+Zsoki R U A WEEZARD?!?
+Zsoki It is now..
+RyokoRHM a WEEDzard ... :P
Exactly - it got buffed
At least in my game; it merely halts the health regeneration or slows it down. Not OP.
A "this is how i'd setup as to not waste skill points" following this would have been helpful
He did that, in the next video he did.
People really make this game sound harder than it is. Ive never used somebody elses build, I use what I find fun. I hear so much about UVHMs difficulty...Meh. Its challenging, not really hard. You just have to play a little safer, thats all. UVHM finally gave me a reason to use sniper rifle with Maya. Normal and TVHM I went through with under leveled Bitch. Sandhawk/Bee I use only when farming bosses, for quick kills.
And yes, why is everyone and their mother playing with same builds? Norfleet might kill stuff fast, but man is it boring to play like that.
Qlicky most of the difficulty comes from the op levels not just uvhm
Qlicky exactly lmao everybody talks about gunzerker being a boring broken build...an im like have u ever played maya any build or snipe zero lol every character can be insanely powerful if people know how to build/play them...i use maya beehawk because i like it but once ur bee goes down ur not doing insane damage anymore...but i just like playing borderlands i dont take this game seriously its not hard at all...farming is annoying but fun at the same time..the game is just awesome if anybody is on xbox one and ever wants to play my GT is syndikait
Ian Mason but its not more difficult they r just bullet sponges thats not a difficultly lol...i love borderlands but lets be real here lol
Andrew Fackenthall Exactly. The AI is the same, the enemies just take longer to kill. Its more tedious if anything.
Qlicky UVHM is not the super hard, its very restrictive as you can no longer simply use random of green to purple loots you find on your journey. But it do encourage you to take your time on approaching enemies, taking on enemy waves little by little at a time.
This is a thing Sljm and I have tried repeatedly to pound into Sal player's heads: There is a big difference between "Maximum DPS" and "Optimum DPS" Sometimes, more damage does not help. Salvador players are just as guilty of this as Maya players.
+Chuck80 Yeah I've had this conversation with Sljm as well
+Chuck80 You don't need to spec Sal for mobbing. He's already good at everything, so you might as well just leave on a maximum dps raidboss build.
Well, he's not good at mobbing if you spec him for raidbosses :P
Chuck80 Yeah he is. Harold + Grog is all the spec you need.
Haha! sure... that still works. THere are better things though
I'd still spec into accelerate, sandhawk's bullet speed is too slow for me.
+Mel Panugaling I would never use this spec, it was to prove a point that the damage from the bee/bone/com is more than enough
+Mel Panugaling It was more to show using all of those on top of 10/5 in those skills is overkill and you get nothing from overkill
+Derch true, if you need to beehawk just for mobbing, you have a problem.
+Derch only Gaige is the character you can get something from overelemnt you can literally let deathtrap kill enemies. That's what overslagging does
Mel Farming for an elemental flying sandhawk on consoles will take forever, I just settle on any prefix sandhawk, as long as its elemental, accelerate does fix the bullet speed even for a bit.
7:10 Thrill of the Kill on Mania tree, D.
Nice video as always D.
I tend to use the normal Maya setup and use the Antagonist for mobbing and the Bee on Bosses.
4:25 “ how did i heal there” BECAUSE YOUR HOLDING THE GROG DUH THATS THE REASON YOU PULLED IT OUT. 😂
Nvrt he never shot the grog thats why he was confused...
@@keithsnaer9286 you don't have to shoot the grog to heal. Just having it out while any type of damage is dealt heals you.
Im using scorn, ruin, cat,bee, most healing skills, sandhawk, moxxis good touch, pimpernel and norfleet. Im also 5/5 for most damage skills. Would you consider thay to be overkill?
Well i mean i have 10/5 in most of the skills and depending on situation use bee yet i still have pretty much all healing skills that are good for solo play aswell as almost all right side skills and most of the first half left side
I use grog fire and corrosive hawks and norfleet with antagonist with storm front switching out my com from legendary cat to siren depending on map and fire bone of ancients
I get your point and I do agree with most you said in this vid.
But when you are mobbing with Maya DON'T use a Beehawk!!! Banshee Maya is the best for mobbing in my mind.
Now that cloud kill is buffed you just have to hold the grog, a slagga and Norfleet or other high damage Launcher for second wins. Maybe a DPUH is nice, too.
When you are against loaders you just need a Magic Missile and a Grog. Cloud kill is doing the rest.
When you get to reset them for a modest fee at any quick-change station? Where's the waste?
I have a hybrid build I have some points into that mod but I also have points is other skills that are boosted by my class mod and it works out pretty good for mobbing and raid bossing so I don't have to constantly wast money on respecing my skill points. i run legendary cat I run legendary siren and I run legendary nurse so I never have to reset my skill points
Honestly I've been running Harold and grog on every character I've played. I have OP8 gunzerk. Krieg and gaige. I don't want to rely on them anymore. Where do I got to learn each character? Builds guns etc.
I do support for my classes sense I play split screen with an assassin (I don't use assassin but I loved Gladiator on Pre Sequel) so if I use, uh, my Mechromancer's DT I'll make sure it's all about Damage and I'll support both it and Zero. (I prefer DT over turrets, well only one turret)
when specing in the hellborn tree I never spec fully into the first two skills
i dont really purposefully have 10/5 on all Legendary Cat skills, but 4/5 of them are very much worth having on any Maya build. Immolate, Backdraft and Blight Phoenix are pointless to me as you want to keep a distance between you and the enemy with your Bee, and those skills are more for really close range combat. also, they are essentially useless on Fire Skags and Loaders.
get either 4 or 5 points on Sweet Release with the thought of getting Mind's Eye a point for the class mod buff, get Wreck and maybe Res if you're a team player and keep 4 on Flicker. if solo, spend the point on Flicker. dont need Kinetic Reflection or Thoughtlock, but get everything else in that tree with the exceptions being 2 points each in Ward and Inertia as they are slightly lesser needed but useful skill. and dont bother getting down to Skorn as Ruin works just as well, and if need be just use the Grog.
Is like Fibber + Bee for Gaige...
You dont need to use a BoA or a Legendary Anarchist or match the element or even aiming at something except the floor...
Anarchy is just a
bonus on top of that.
but, if you're actively leveling and have under leveled gear, these skills make your gear last longer until you get more
What are the important things to have on a lvl 51 maya going into UVHM? Ruin and Converge? Or would you go for lifetap first and use a wormhole nade?
Going into UVHM I would have ruin and converge
I spec into all the skills boosted by the Cat COM but I use a Legendary Siren, IMO the best base legendary COM, though I carry a Cat and all this other equipment for raiding because Maya.
+Slif_One 100% agreed on this.
I use legendary siren legendary cat and legendary nurse and I have points in all skills that thoes mods boost
What happens when ur against enemies who shoot bullets. Once that bee goes down it's a different story.
But a lot of Maya's healing skills are for co-op or they benefit from phaselock so when fighting larger enemies healing skills are useless regardless of whether you're using the grog nozzle or not
Honestly I hate using the Bee, but it feels like in OP 10 we have to use all the best weapons (slag, bone, cat, bee and match elements)
Like maybe, I don’t have to match elements mobbing but mini bosses are almost necessary
for solo play I agree with that for the most part. to regen health I usually use corrosive cloud with a ruby to gain all of my life back.
yeah for mobing you better go more phase lock, self heal, and shield recharge... i usully go with a chain reaction build.... i never use cat for mobing, legendary siren is enough or a chain reaction buffing blue or purple class mod, but i just cant give up on that sweet 45% movement speed buff while phaselock is active.
my items are prety trash but its enough for mobing, a fire sandhawk with the worst parts u can immagine, but i usualy use a Moxxi fire smg, wich she gives if you tip her enoug, an electric pitchfork, and a random vladaf corrosive ar... tho with a shit inventory like this i need a bit dmg boost... but slag from phaselocks are more than enough... but this is just for mobing and against mini bosses you can phaselock.
im using bitches or tattler + cat com + bone (shock and coro only has the fire one don't want to drop) but i only use the bee for raid boss most of the time i have antagonist (with the ski) or sham (the two of them do very well with kinetic reflection) or evolution depend on where i'm playing
and switch to sandhawk and bee for raid bosses or when im raging lol
Its more of a waste to use healing skills though cause as you said, raid bosses you will want that insane dmg. Plus your not specced into recompense so thats a massive mistake. If you slag an enemy and they hit you, they heal you. You dont gotta worry about using a healing specific weapon. Plus why on earth would anyone use a chain lightning on maya if they are worried about healing? You have a magic missile that keeps nade ammo regen up and slag on the battlefield. This makes hp regen absolutely invalid cause than you never need to respec for raid bosses. And if your really worried about survival, you can simply take off your bee and use the antagonist to help slag enemies. And still have crazy damage output. The antagonist will also slag enemies which also heals you if they shoot you because of recompense.
when your playing on op8 you need that overkill. and you just stated that we shouldnt ignore the healing skills maya has to offer but your doing just fine without them. no point in putting points into healing if dot damage surpasses it when yoru trying to take cover. doesnt heal fast enough even with the lifesteal you can get. this is where grognozzle comes in. when your out of smg ammo and need to rely on another gun. thats where the overkill comes in
I'm trying maya for the first time. Right now she just hit level 50. I am using some of the skills you said not to invest. Is this build you have viable for no bee builds, no cat builds or no smg builds? I kind rely on reaper.
His build in this video is a joke to prove a point. Never ever use this build.
Hey Derch, something i wanted to ask for a while now:
Why do you chose Immolate over Blight Phoenix?
I know you mention barrels, but i find in most case these aren't a concern (due to phaselock and quasar having passed ahead of me). And i find that BP coupled with Life Tap gives me a lot more survivability (since melee range is the trickiest for Maya in absence of skills for it). Using a tattler/twister based legensary siren my guess is that the reason is that I use the Evolution instead of the Blockade.
Talking strictly mobbing, btw.
Ps. Pre-patch i agree with you, post patch not so much.
Pps. The main reason i wanted to ask because it contradicts all your going on about anything that's fight for your life improving (and the Phoenix often prevents going down in the first place).
+simon luechtae I don't really have a lot of survival issues and when I do go down immolate is the best ffyl skill in the game so it means I will be able to get up.
+Derch Thanks, but that kinda sounds like you're making lemonade. I have the utmost respect for your opinion, but on this point I don't see the benefit.
Maybe stretching it a bit here, but I wouldn't use Gaige's DFA just because it's the most powerful jumping shot skill in the game.
+simon luechtae Not the same, so Immolate is a total damage splash that also gets buffs. So if I hit a crit and have splash and fire on flesh and slag, Immolate will do all of that and get slag and fire bonuses again. While I don't often go into ffyl there are times when you get in it and you are in a bad spot. Immolate makes it really easy to get up. Also really helps on raids. Its a fantastic skill. BP does almost no damage and is a shitty skill. If you need BP and lifetap to keep you alive you kinda did it wrong. At that range just use your twister and done, twister and lifetap is more than enough.
+Derch Really appreciate you didn't go all 'oh fuck off then, you idiot!' here, and actually spelt it out for me (I just recalled you mentioned the actual formula in another video - and it did sound ridiculously strong). I will definitely give this a go! Thanks again for making the world a better place!!!
Thanks for the kind words
Great advice here. Unfortunately a lot of people do not have all that fancy gear, so they need the extra damage from the skills. I do own a sandhawk, so I will try this out.
farm for a bee extremely easily
then farm loot midgets and tubbys for the other 2 drops
Thanks. I've applied this to Gaige as well. Unless it's a raid boss I don't use the bee. Learned to play with the skills than use thecrutches people keep saying you need
I know this is an old post but i feel like giving my opinion on gaige.
Personally i like to use the black hole shield with gaige. It has a much better capacity than other shields like the sham and bee but also has a unique upside that is often ignored. The singularity effect on gaige is incredibly useful it makes it east to get out of ffyl with high anarchy and (kind of) breaks the shields for you.
Very interresting good job
i actually agree with you man
The years 2019 and the commander Lilith dlc comes out skill points are not more because you get 72
This video is hilarious on the auto playlist feature right before this video killer six with touting the very build this video is cramping on with logic
I like what you said here and I really understand your reasoning pretty good video but do you have to respect before you go do any raidng or raid bosses
im not hating but this entire set up for mobbing depends on you having you bee shield up. when you're bee went down you did very little damage tho.
That's the problem - if he went for another shield such as antagonist. You wouldn't be killing as easily. That run was made easy because of the Bee irrespective of the spec's in the skill points.
Maya is meant to be a support\healer, no other character has the healing skills like Maya; take advantage of it.
vaulthunter ofLS I barley, if never touch her "damage skill tree"
My feeling is that Gearbox tuned skills so that in order to beat OP8, it wasn’t necessary to spec into most of the damage skills. They want us to have fun and flavorful builds, too.
That’s why I often spec into skills that others aren’t too hot on. I like the fun, flavor, and I’m still progressing just fine.
5 out of 5 Meteor Slam, and a Com for more ranks. Come at me, bro ;)
Nice video
What if there was an animal in real life called the beehawk
since last ps4 patch if you run this route with 2 players you get a tubby every time.
I refuse to touch the fibber, bee and sandhwak because they are gamebreakingly overpowered. There is no challenge when you use them
12171010011010 so is salvador and zeros bore
bore takes skill and preparation, and even then it isn't completely broken to the point where the game has no challenge. Salvador is honestly fine kit wise. They only thing that makes him broken is how both equipped guns share characteristics.
12171010011010 sandhawk is fine if you just dont use the bee lul
@@12171010011010 doesnt take skill if you can kill hyperius in under 5 seconds with bore
Flying Sandhawk is broken, but try any other prefix and it actually takes a lot of skill to even kill some medium distanced enemies.
My maya is a almost a WHOLE support (made also for solo) build so i dont do the greatest damage but the class requires legendary nurse, grog (self healing), harold(for when down), any prefered sheild(preferably bee/or sham depending on area(via gun infested area run sham or if filled with melee enemies run bee) and i spec in to mostly mid tree half of left and right, i spec into right so i do some extra dmg,i spec into mid to for the support part, heres the thing tho when im low on health I swap to grog and and i phaslock and i instantly gain all hp, while im in phaselock animation i shoot scorn instantly (which also heals me) then all surounding mobs are pulled in and slagged and raise fire with my team or solo(if done solo i use a cc) and if we kill the phaselocked enemy we get 10 health orbs which heals the players, hence the name support build. But most the time im solo the build is kinda pointless, so that is why i spec into some of the right which give me extra different elemental damages to help me kill.
Most people don’t want to respec just for bosses in the time of this video. Modern day with lvl 80 OP 10 the damage is also needed
The point stands in this even for op10, and my main build (twisted pimp) works great in op10. I never published the updated level 80 with those points but it let you either get more cool down or more damage.
Alsoy main build I killed all the raids solo without respeccing.
How do I get different elements on the samdhawk
it's just luck, just like the prefix
You can farm them. Just look it up.
You're bee dependent with that. And take cloud kill. It help for regen health.
Your point about the Cat setup being bad for mobbing is redundant tbh, in Digi peak I only swap to the Cat COM to burst down the mini-bosses, I think most people know by now that Legendary SIREN is the superior mobbing COM. 10/5 in Ward gives your bee shield an INSANE amount of uptime, and against most enemies in the peak Maya gets better use out of the Bekah - super underrated, Phaselock makes it better for Maya than AXTON, as you can easily line up perfect (crit with all 4 projectiles, which is all about positioning) shot and spam it.
Sub-Sequence is also dope for mobbing. I rarely find myself needing Scorn, with Ruin and a x4 Magic Missile (MM and Chain Lightning both regenerate grenades so it's super easy to use both). Life Tap is god-tier while it's active since even 1% lifesteal means a full HP bar whenever you're shooting, but it being a kill skill SEVERELY limits it, lifesteal is meant to be reliable. I'd take LT all the time if it was a normal skill, even if they nerfed the healing to balance it out.
Lol I'm the one who popularized the legendary siren com over the cat and binder coms. When I made this video most people you saw would run Maya with the cat com, all damage skills maxed out, wearing the bee and skipped all survival skills because they had the grog.
The point was, that is a bad build for everything other than raids. You can get plenty of damage without all of that and that survival skills actually help you more in mobbing since you don't have to retreat.
I'm also the guy who popularized the Bekah with Maya.
And while SS is dope it's also hit and miss since it often gets stuck on texture or chases surveyors wasting your phaselock. I prefer just a quick cool down single target phaselock, that way I get scorn and ruin and I prefer the quasar to magic missiles because more singularities is super useful on Maya. With ruin and scorn I don't need a slag gun or grenade.
The reason I find the extra singularity pulls so great is a few reasons
1. You can pre pull enemies so more get hit by ruin.
2. The closer enemies are the more impactful chain reaction is
3. Chain reaction pretty much insta kills overlapping hitboxes which you can get with more pulls
4. It can save you in-between phaselocks to keep enemies off balance
5. Strips shields so help your fire on flesh or corrosion on armor more effective
A big way I like to build Maya is use skills to open up gear slots
Immolate makes it so you don't need a FFYL launcher
Ruin/scorn saves your grenade slot and/or a gun slot
Lifetap and healing skills makes it so you don't need a moxxie gun.
A lot of builds, at least back when I made this were pretty much was dpuh or sandhawk, nofleet, grog, slagga. Then either chain lighting or mm for the grenade. So you had one gun for damage and everything else as a utility. You have way more skill points than gear slots, so I liked to make builds that were more flexible to handle both flesh and armor enemies in the same map, and to have long distance and close distance guns in my load out.
Id just spec for the hardest content in the game.
How I play
-if that skill is offensive focus on turret, I put my point on it.
does this aplly to farming for items and gear
because i want to kill that 1 boss quicly
+luka tosic Raids not so much, regular bosses for the most part
Derch ok tnx derch
But I want to, the 12% risk feels like 40% but it’s worth it!
This really just shows how stupid the bee shield really is. It was a poorly designed shield that became a crutch for most builds, and a ton of people use it to solo content that was not meant to be done solo. I think its fine to be able to do raid bosses solo, but not when its as easy as putting on a bee shield.
The problem is when people *have* to play raid content in order to get certain gear which is only available via raiding. So if you play solo, you have to go do those raids solo. Which often means essentially cheating by coming up with some broken shit to pump up your damage to raid levels.
Man nobody has time to farm Pyro Pete 15 min at a time when the Bee cuts that shit down to 2-5 min for the avg player. I see ppl stacking 300-400 stacks of CA with Zero and Salvador glitching the whole game and then turn around and hate on Beehawk builds. It's a tired argument ppl should play how they want to play. I main as an explosive Axton and I'm not using that build to kill raid bosses I have a job lol.
Tony Robinson but the 94 sham is perfectly fine, right?
Tony Robinson Aa
Tony Robinson Putting the Bee is like putting a plastic bag for clothes. It is no different like running naked.
The only time you should "waste" skill point on Maya is when you put that 1 point in to Blight Phoenix for the WINGZ.
Then again, it's not really "wasting" because it is actually the most important skill to be a respectable Maya player.
It's not entirely a waste since there's a chance that enemies stagger when they walk into the wing AoE. So players adhering to the Rule of Cool might put a point into them.
Sandhawk is Great but the Lascaux and the Bitch are great alternatives
"Skill hawking" is what i call bee hawking, and in a sarcastic manner before people get confused and think that i believe bee hawking requires skill
something strange build. if you focus on damage, where is reaper, accelerate and wreck?
and that's why i don't like sand hawk. yes, i don't "the best" SMG. bullets are slow, trajectory is curvy. you shoot good with sand hawk maybe it needs some time to adapt to it. but for me it's something awful especially in everyday "mobbing".
you shoot at middle range and enemy is not here when bullets are there. it's disgusting!!
i'm sure that mobbing will be much easier with that build using bitch/hellfire/avenger/florentine/plasma caster etc. straigh-firing is better crowd-control in mid-high distance, easier to crit, easier to switch target than with such strange smg like sand hawk.
and for heal. switching to healing weapon is not very comfortable often. better use kiss of death/o-negative or other transfusion grenade.
and yes, some points to sweat release maybe other healing skills is good help. you don't have to zero all heal skills.
this build is very unbalanced and strange for me.
At 4:30 the dots from Ruin were healing you when you had the grog nozzle out. Not to defend this build too much, but you didn't point out that phaselock is also an insta heal when you have a grog nozzle out, and it can heal you for awhile with the dots from ruin. I do agree that bee hawking with such a build on general mobs is kind of pointless. In fact I'd go as far as to say using a beehawk in most general mobbing cases is harder because you have to be really careful not to get hit. I usually use a build similar to what you described, but instead I use an Antagonist or Blockade with a Hyperion plasma caster of the proper element as a primary weapon instead of the bee and sandhawk. I usually only switch to the bee during boss fights or when some of the tougher badass enemies appear. I find this to be more effective than beehawking everything because for the most part you still do plenty of damage, and with those tanky shields you don't need to worry about avoiding damage nearly as much which in general lets you kill things faster even without healing skills. Also I'd say not using sub sequence benefits a build like this a lot more because you get phaselock back much faster. If you make good use of phaselock with cover and have a lot of phaselock cooldown then I found you rarely need to use chain lightnings because phaselock alone does a really good job of healing you. Honestly the grog nozzle with phaselock and chain lightning does make most of the healing skills irrelevant. That's the main thing I disagree with you on in this video. If you make good use of cover using the play style I described you will almost never need healing skills. It seems like it's more of a waste of points to get healing skills when the grog nozzle exists.
+DaRkJoKeR77 That was kinda the point, using a Leg Cat buid with 10/5 in all the damage skills without a bee is a totally different story, but even with out a bee I think you don't need 10/5 in minds eye and accelerate with the massive boost from the Leg Cat Com.
+Derch For the most part I agree, I just don't see what else to use the points on unless you don't use the grog nozzle. Obviously you would need the healing skills if you don't use a grog nozzle. With a grog nozzle though the only blue tree skills I usually pick up are Minds Eye and Wreck. What is your preferred Maya build for general mobbing?
+DaRkJoKeR77
Here is my buid video th-cam.com/video/q6ZUJ7UZAq0/w-d-xo.html
Here is my op8 playthrough with that : th-cam.com/play/PLZOpqns2WSKMHgKwojedDC5aQA2w205in.html
So let me get this straight, damage is a waste, healing is a waste, shields are worth it... but you equip The Bee. And you put this theory to the test by killing skags in a wide open area; take i to the bar brawl and then we can talk.
Just started playing a couple months ago, 1st and 2nd playthroughs were fun, but UVHM is awful and not fun, and now too pwerful for TVHM to be fun.
I don't think this is a waste. There are maps with certain type of enemies that you need to kill quick. And even with Bee but without boosted skills you will have really hard time with them. Try Magic Slaughter Badass Round with this and you'll see how much those boosted skills are needed. Boosted skills are required to be maxed with or without the Bee.
+Jdx Omega In Pete's bar or other small map yeah. But on Magic Slaughter or Digi Peak this won't work.
+bew_ If you aren't going for Time Trails sure, but a lot of different Maya build will work on Peak/Magic Slaughter.
+Abvex Yes I agree but this is not one of those builds, when you don't spec in to boosted skills.
+bew_ Maya has cleared the Peak at OP8 without any unique and/or legendary items at all. don't say something is impossible, because someone will find a way to do it.
+RyokoRHM You got link to this?
How did you get so many sandhawks good sir?
Gibbed
I feel like there are many people which dont understand what he wanted to say/show
I've been thinking of re doing this video, to be more clear
I know this video is old as balls, but it is so hilarious to hear you talk about killing stuff to easy....and that you think that is bad. It is called a glass canon build. All the damage all the time and learn to survive. The faster you can kill 1 enemy the faster you can focus the next and mob at super fast speeds. But if you play the long game of waiting outside the enemies view and play like a sniper then ya I can see your point. Also you tend to shoot way more ammo and times than you need to with the sand hawk trying to show how bad the ammo problem is.....most of the enemies would be one taps with the B up.
I love ur commentary and ur voice but u shouldnt do long breaks cuz i can hear u breathing! Any way keep it up !!
You sound like a disappointed father explaining to your child why they're wrong
Hmm it okay 👍🏽 👌🏾 🙆🏻♂️ 😅
You should make one of these post patch...because cloud kill is fucking nuts now
I did a bunch of post cloud kill videos
whats changed regarding cloud kill? or rather, which vid should i watch :D
+huhndaking777 big ass patch video
Derch k ty!
and another 9 minutes wasted. just no arguments and only flaming.
Kind of pointless when using Gibbed gear. Perfect Sandhawks are so exceedingly rare and even decent ones are hard to come by. Instead of not using skill points, don't use gibbed.
well i guess if you like to run around Mobbing all the time, this would be a good build.
To all of the points in the video I just think
"Uhh... No?"
i run fleet maya for mobbing.
yo but the problem with this is that you're basically 100% reliant on the bee. i see the point trying to be made here, but this build has no purpose but to show a particular point that the bee is op in combination with sandhawk. you technically don't need to place any points or even be wearing a COM so why not make a video about that... just put the points in the damage skills so you can change your gear out depending on the situation-- this isn't utilizing maya's "all-around" ability that the character class has.
derch i got my own personal skill tree i use for everything cause i don't like having to reset it evertime i wanna go farm raid bosses or go mob enemies. its annoying when someone says *dragons? lemme reset my skill tree* bloodshots? lemme reset my skill tree* its dumb and time wasting i have a own personal skill tree wich helps in everyway i need it to help. right now i am using youre twisted pimp build for some testing so if you ever want a new skill build try mine just message me ^.^
long story short, you prefer your own customized build, and am recommending it for at least a test run.
use Zer0 and you will know why
+Handsome Jack i do use zero
Curtis Dowling Zer0 with a mixed Skill Build feels good, he can do anything, but he kinda sucks at it
+Handsome Jack yeah he kinda does, it not bad enough to be unusable with a mixed build, but its definitely not as good as some other characters
What gun is that?
Sandhawk, quest reward from Whoops a story mission in pirates booty the first dlc campaign
I got here trying to figure out if if you have a skill at 9/5 is that a bigger boost or are you wasting 4 skill points. xD My current Maya build is all about the self healing
you don't really demonstrate the power of the com or the sandhawk when you are using a bee which is a terrible mobbing shield, enemies melt down with any gun if you are wearing a bee, problem is, so will you.
you need some points in damage if you are going to use a legitimate shield, also if you intend to use any other smg than the sandhawk or the tattler you really will need a good amount of points in damage.
+TheDuskpaladin You missed the point, A very very common maya build is Leg Cat, Bee, Bone, Chain Lighting, Sandhawk, Grog, 10/5 in every skill the com boosts. That was the point. Your Gear is doing all the work, not your skill tree.
i see, it's a terrible build to start with, which took my attention away from the point :O
the cat mod with the sandhawk without the bee or anything else is powerful enough for most mobbing scenarios.
+TheDuskpaladin Thats part of it, other parts are justifying mine choice to only use 1 point in minds eye and accelerate in my build. A lot of people seem to struggle with not putting 5 point into every skill that is boosted. I many times like to do that to free up 4 points or 8 points with those 2 skills. Everytime I see a Leg Cat build it seems to be the same thing and its a massive waste of points.
I hate all of Maya fire based skills but I just put 4 points in blight Phoenix to get to ruin
You're better off switching those points to Flicker. Blight Phoenix just doesn't deal enough damage to be useful except for knocking back melee enemies (a niche use), and it can 'splode barrels and kill you.
Michael Meissner I have flicker maxed
What do you not have points in, then?
why u dont try pyro pete with this build
as he said in the vid. this is for mobbing, raid boss is a totally different story, doing a raidboss the extra dps is actually usefull
yea but the mobbing u can kill it without skills. only weapons.. so yea
In my opinion there's no point to mobbing there usually just annoyance while your trying to somewhere else where there is something better to do.
+Ian Seymour I find raids boring, they are predictable can take very little skill once you have the gear and know how to fight them. You have 1 damage source coming at you many times, instead of 10+.
+Derch Did they improve Raid Bosses in the pre-sequel or it's just like in Borderlands 2?
There is only 1 raid in TPS he is a good fight but he is the end boss with more heath so no they didn't.
+Ian Seymour Brilliant idea, maybe in the next borderlands they can just have empty maps and let people just run point to point and fight bosses.
Abvex There's a difference between mobbing and progressing through the story.
I don't like playing bee becauase i prefer to be in the fight.
I like my damage build...But it's for Krieg and Salvador.
They both get something for overkill damage as well with bloodsplosion and thrill of the kill on krieg and NKLOK on sal
oor u could spec like 1 point to the ones u could
I would never go a pure mobbing build, whats the point in mobbing? The only things you can farm while mobbing are some special/underrated/weak legendaries and (using the community patch) the uniques and of course pearls.
While "mobbing" I personally use an all-round build which allows me to use different weapons and at least two of my favorite classmods, it at least being moderately good against bosses and great at mobbing.
This build is never dependent on the bee but in most cases, it can profit from it. The exception being everything I play as ZERKER [Gunzerker; OttoGaigeZERKER, and similar builds].
No, I don't even use the Sandhawk often (I don't like it and it only gives one bee proc now)
Lyuda, bekah, Hammerbuster, bee, magic missiles, Doug, fastball, you know a lot of the best guns in the game
Lyuda: there is a ledge to go over. If you start at the entrance to the Highlands, that should be the fastest route. At least it feels like it ._.
Hammerbuster: no actual mobbing required
magic missiles: K, you'll rush through the map the fastest way open a few chests and kill only as many mobs as you really need. Which ones will come from experience (it's faster than actually mobbing, and seems to function for my siren...) but yes, mobbing required.
fastball: no mobbing required, you can use the route that might spawn some savage lee for the Harold but even then you only need to kill a few enemies.
the bee: you are talking about the Forest farm? (was my fav run while doing ops the first time ._.) just start the treeant mission and your down to 2 Orks and one later spaw in that camp. If you wanna farm the chests there, you'll, of course, need to go mobbing ^^
Hellquist doesn't need any mobbing
and yes, Bekah, as a pearl can mainly be acquired through tubbies, this is a reason to mob! But you'd rather skip as many enemies as you safely can.
(this sounds dumb even in my head but I actually do this while farming, to be faster)
I could go over my build here but... this video being made 2 years ago (probably before the last patch [I've lost track]) I presume some of the OP shit was patched (bee hawking) and my build is filled to the brim with personal quirks XD
Oh, and I'd like to know one thing: Have you ever seen a mobbing build without livetap? (her other healing skills seem pritty much useless)
Yes
But they are not raids, so a mobbing build works for them. Also the main game 99% is mobbing. Only raids are not.
Me im gaige I don't need slag weapons she has slag skill + antagonist always slag + healing skill + healing skill boost mod = you will never see fight for your life ever. + i can use bone shredder high accuracy cause of mod. If I use the bee I'll die worst shield for bff + elemental gaige. Gaige overkill is in shock and slag
yes but the vid is about Maya so i don't get your point to start talking about Gaige wich is a total different class.
Most people play online so you would actually need the extra damage, but yeah its overkill for single player.
I agree, but I get them big numbahs and thats what its all about Keepo
Anyone who uses a bee for mobbing is doing it wrong, good video Derch.
+rikashay98 That wasn't really the entire point, there is a time and place for the bee, but just stacking glass cannon on glass cannon is a bad idea.
Oh yeah I know the bee definitely has it's place, just mobbing isn't really the best place for the bee.
+rikashay98 The bee can be used for mobbing just like any other shield. just don't rely on the damage from the bee, and treat it like bonus damage. also don't run out in the middle of a firefight every time you see a red dot.
RyokoRHM I also sometimes toss on the bee to mob to keep me honest. Always running around with a blockade can lead to me getting lazy about avoiding damage.
while i agree to a certain extent, you can quite easily get used to the "glass" playstyle and never go down - even without healing skills. i'm not trying to discredit you, but 1life was completed without healing skills at all.
+RyokoRHM Awhile ago I was talking to some people about co-op difficulty and someone said to me "Derch look at who you play with" refering to the fact most the people I play with are some of the best borderlands players around. I take that same point to you. You can do amazing with a pure maya glass cannon build because your one of the best players around. The average players I see on twitch are not you and die like crazy with builds like these. I've even seen some pretty good players struggle very much with this build, people that can raid with the best of them, go out into a simple mob and get destroyed. I guess this video was geared more towards those players but I wasn't the most clear on that, so thats my bad.
+Derch after some more thought, i too misunderstood the direction you were going in. glass builds usually rely on fast cooldowns and lots of crowd control, which the Legendary Cat mod is not good at. going to have to yell at myself here, as the 1life run was done not only with a legendary siren class mod (the most well rounded of maya's class mods), but also with a coop partner who did well at drawing enemy fire while healing through all the damage he took because sal.
I have done peak runs where i carried 3 other people all the way through the peak to get them to op8, but i don't think i would have done nearly as well with a legendary cat. i honestly think the cat is useless unless you really love SMGs, or are fighting 3 of the 9 raid bosses.
+RyokoRHM Yeah I that was kinda my point, I didn't do the best job explaining it though.
+Derch no offence but i really don't understand the point in this video..
You don't get anything for over kill damage so maxing out dps skills, wearing a bee and a cat com is overkill damage on most enemies. So you should spread your points out or change your gear.
the thing is I like overkill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
me too. i just stomp on them till it turns to mush. hehehe i get carried away sometimes too. but it is sooo much fun!
XD
you guys dumb as fuck
ReaperOfTheNorthLegion enjoying a game and playing it to have fun instead of trying to have the perfect set up isn’t being dumb, it’s just enjoying a video game
My point still stand 100%, using overkill is the point of this video, the build he has in this video is a joke build he literally says it is a bad setup but, but they don't get that
ReaperOfTheNorthLegion something can be bad and fun, having fun is better for the short term and doing something the best way is better for the long term. It’s a video game so it’s better to have more fun even tho you lose a bit of efficiency imo, irl it’s the opposite (ie: drugs are fun when you’re fucked up but on the long run it’s bad for the body and being addicted isn’t that fun)
I understand the purpose of the video, but you have to understand that not everyone thinks and plays the same way.. Nice try though