Ashley's Analysis | Filling Station Aggression
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- In this video we look at a scary moment when a stranger gets into a viewers car while at a petrol station. Sometimes incidents happen because people aren't just having a bad day and there is more behind the scenes that we don't know about.
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Ashley, thanks for featuring my video, great job and message!
After reading some of the comments, I would like to add a few facts for context on my part:
1) The drivers reaction took me completely by surprise and it took me a while to comprehend what was happening as I have never been in a physical alteration as an adult. Because of what I was wearing (suit and slippery shoes!) and the confined space between myself and the pump, my chances of successfully fighting him off in his highly agitated state was slim. My need to social distance also made me hesitate as I just wanted him out of my space.
2) It crossed my mind that he could have a weapon and didn't want to take any chances
3) I can't remember if the keys were in my pocket or the centre console but the car is keyless start. He did sit in the driver's seat and attempt to start it but couldn't figure out how to.
4) This was in the midst of the pandemic and at the time my wife was 8 months pregnant. Having someone physically assault you when you have had no other physical contact with anyone outside of your household for 5 months felt extremely violating. Having him sit in my drivers seat and spit all over my steering wheel felt even worse.
5) I was very disappointed that no one tried to help until after at which point a few people approached me and left their details as witnesses. However, I can't say what I would have done in their shoes. The staff were very nonchalant and unhelpful.
6) The fact that he had a mental illness, for me while offers some explanation, is not a good enough excuse. If you are unable to function as a responsible driver then you shouldn't be on the road.
7) I was disappointed by the police conclusion as he had committed several offences relating to assault and "interfering with a motor vehicle contrary to the Criminal Attempts Act 1981"
Thanks for sending in! Hope you're keeping well 👍🏼
@@ashley_neal I will second that.....
Thanks for the insight on what was a clearly stressful incident.
@@bradgooner3284 That's harsh - sounds like 👮♂️👮♀️ arrested the wrong person.... but nothing would surprise me these days.
Take care fella 👍
if i was you, i'd take it further, i would not accept the police conclusion, there is evidence right here
@@robchissy i would just leave it, people shouldn’t be irresponsible by driving their cars in the first place, you should be taking public transport or walking. no excuse
the aggressor got in the car, attempted to start the car and had the intention of driving the car to another position, whether he was to drive it 10 feet or 10 miles that is taking the vehicle without consent TWOK, he should have been arrested and charged, he would have also been driving without insurance, even if his insurance allows him to drive other cars on 3rd party as he didn't have permission the insurance would be null and void, if his mental health issues are so bad that he behaves like that, he should have his licence revoked, who knows what he could do if someone overtakes him on a motorway
Exactly! - Theft, driving without insurance, covid rules broken here also but the offender hides behind mental health so gets off Scott free
I’m glad someone on this channel actually understands the law and doesn’t agree with Ash when he says “well he didn’t mean it and he has mental health issues so he has a free pass”
The point is this Man knows the law of the roads and about driving, mental health is no damn excuse for attempted theft of a car or driving without insurance. If he acts like this over someone going to a pump while he sits his car doing nothing then he Cleary should not be on the road.
What do you guys think prison does to people who are struggling with mental health issues? Would you send yourself to prison if you had PTSD?
@@FROOB202 Yeah it does not help but letting them off scout free does not help either. remove the man's licence then. At the end of the day he is not fit for driving and should not be allowed to endanger other road users.
Use it or lose it
We're not all waiting on you, princess
LOL... suck it up Princess is how I would have put it!
Brutal 😂
Shame the cammer didn't fight back, disappointment
@@MrRohanThomas Embarrasing. I'm not sure who's the biggest princess... the Jeep driver or the cammer dancing around his car.
If anyone was to get into my car, I sure as hell wouldn't be standing there saying "please sir, could you get out of my car"
@@boywarrick not everyone can fight
This is one important reason why you shouldn't leave your keys in the car when parked or filling up. It prevents opportunists stealing or hopping in your car
I don’t even leave them in the car at ASDA’s (where they don’t have shops to walk into and pay - just pay as you drive out there when the toll booth is open, or pay up front at the machine in the small hours with no-one at the tills. There’s usually a nasty get-out on insurance if you’ve left your car unlocked, even at home, when it’s stolen.
You need the key to unlock your fuel cap surely?
Not on most cars today. The fuel flap is locked with the doors so as long as they are unlocked, so is the filler flap
@@kingbenno1 No, the last few cars i've had (including the current one) has a pull-up lever inside, so just open the flap before getting out; no 'lock' on the cap at all. These were Honda and Toyotas. My last Honda had not 'screwcap' at all - just an automatic one inside the filler pipe.
@@Interdimensional27 I need my ignition key to open my filler cap but the flap locks with the central locking. That means I have to have the key (car can't be nicked) but can't lock the car until I have to go and pay - although nowadays, I pay@pump if possible.
Now, I am myself on the autistic spectrum, but too many people seem to use the mental health as a way to dodge a bit of the law. Which can seem very sickening.
Unfortunately you're right there. If someone's a danger to themselves or others due to mental health issues then they should not be allowed to be unsupervised in public. Now if they're deemed to not to be a threat to themselves or others then I do think they should be treated as any other member of the public would from a legal perspective.
@@thomashardwick7206 The issue is when there is no help out there. I'm autistic and I just about get by in a limited way (no option, I have no help) if everybody is reasonable and behaves how they should but don't have the skills and it deteriorates rapidly in the event of conflict. I've been asking for help since I was diagnosed but don't get any. I also live on my own so have no option but to try and manage and have to go out on my own even though it's risky - all it takes it one prick to turn it into a nightmare.
I would prefer not to be out unsupervised so I had the help when there is a problem, but I have no option.
@@ryanmitcham5522 I'm sorry to hear you've not been able to get any help, mate. I'm sure you do your best to get on with your life as best you can in the circumstances. Mental health support is definitely underfunded in the UK unfortunately. Out of curiosity what are your views on the gentleman in this video? (Jeep driver)
@@ryanmitcham5522
I am sort of in a similar position though not quite as severely affected. I also live alone and I found it impossible to get help too and was told to pay for it myself basically.
I just have to be thankful that I am not affected bad enough to stop me driving (the DVSA were informed of my problems).
For me in a situation like this it tends to affect me later after the event. However small it can stay with me for days or longer but at the time I usually am ok. I never forget the worst ones and even years later it bothers me so in a situation like this I'd probably have a huge set back that would take months to recover from.
Edit:
Also although I wasn't asked, my view is the DVSA should look at them. If their condition affected them to that degree over something so small I'd be concerned about it happening while driving. But looking at a lot of cammers on those other channels it'd be no different to them!
The 'spectrum' is so broad that every man and his dog is on it, these days.
point 1. if someone has mental health issues that can turn into aggressive behaviour should they be driving?. point 2. Ashley, you have a very calming way of talking. must make you a good instructor.
A part of me wants to say "They're having a bad day" is giving someone the benefit of the doubt so if someone could be having more than just a bad day, That could be interpreted as this making that behaviour even less acceptable.
But when it comes to mental health, one may not be aware they're deteriorating and when faced with reality of it could actually make it worse. ...I am torn and still unsure what to think of Ashley's take away on it.
It's just another card that some people believe gives them special treatment.
The government doesn’t care. As long as more people are spending that’s what matters.
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How can you be torn ? Just imagine that was you or worse you had your kids in the car and no-one came to your aid.
If I pushed a policeman several times I would expect to be charged with assault.
@@DowellPa Yep. If we don’t pay a fine or our bills. Its amazing how quick they can manage to find you.
I genuinely think if the cammer had tapped his horn he would have got an aggressive response all the same. All too often now horns are seen as a sign of aggression and not a way of alerting other road users. It’s frustrating.
@A. Fox It's situational. If you're stationary behind a van that starts to reverse without seeing you, you need to toot so they don't hit you, and you could have traffic or pedestrians behind than means you can't reverse out of the way. If someone is blocking traffic flow then your notifying them of your (and any following traffic's) presence, that they're now obstructing traffic and it's time to move. I don't see why a police officer witnessing it would have any issues with it, unless you lay on the horn for several seconds more than necessary.
I do. Horrible people do not respond to politeness.
@@markwright3161 yeah like if someone's missed a red light I'll give it a quick tap
@@Deathhead68 Exactly. They could be having a hectic day and while stopped drifted off to thinking about what they have to do potentially leading to them missing the full sequence without a little peep to snap them back into reality so that they can get on with their day, alone with everyone else.
shame manufacturers haven't thought of adding a "polite mode" for horns. The horn on my bike, from the factory, sounds like a truck. Some electric motorcycles actuall have a *bell* as well!
These combined supermarket and filing stations are a menace. You get your petrol, leave the car at the pump then spend half an hour browsing in the shop while a queue builds up. A recipe for frustration.
I don’t know anyone that would spend half an hour browsing on the shop - maybe five minutes max
@@09weenic five minutes is still along time when you are waiting...
Petrol station shops should ONLY sell motoring related items : oil , screen wash , spare lamps or fuses , fan belts etc ; perhaps individual drinks , snacks , sandwiches etc that you might want in the course of a journey ; if you wish to do a weekly shop , go to a shop .
With all due respect. That Jeep driver shouldn’t have a license.
Rule 1 when filling up - take your keys with you, cars do get stolen from forecourts and your insurance company may be difficult if you left the keys in it. And if you are leaving your phone in the car lock the doors too.
I never realised you could leave your key behind in modern cars. In my old Escort (first and only car, in almost 20 years) the ignition key is the petrol filler cap key. Modern technology eh, makes everything... no better at all really.
@@Metallic_Hydrogen well I unlock my fuel from inside so in theory I could leave keys inside and top up without them (hand free ignition key). However I'd be mad if I left my phone and key in my car (all it takes is couple of seconds to break window and steal stuff - with key inside even to steal the car)
@@Metallic_Hydrogen Yeah wondered what having the same key for ignition and filler cap was all about, if someone hyjacks your car or steals the key they can easily fill it up though, could hide a separate filler cap only key in the car.
Absolutely bang on Gordon. 👍🏻 I always have my keys in my pocket, then lock the car if I need to go into the shop. Although I only use Shell and only ‘Pay at Pump’ via their app. So easy. But then again, that’s cus I’m a daft lad who had his car engine remapped for the most expensive fuel on the planet (V-Power) 😂
Only issue with this is more modern cars using keyless entry and ignition. Even if you take your key with you, if somebody has a signal booster they can open the car and drive off without the key being needed.
Oh it's that guy.
That guy drives just onto the edge of the forecourt and stops. He thinks everyone else can wait in the road while he takes up a strategic position to take whichever pump comes free first.
Don't be that guy, pick a queue at a pump and join it. If another pump comes free a couple of minutes earlier, then too bad.
I always drive straight round that guy and join a queue at a pump. In this case, I would have joined the queue at the furthest back pumps so as not to make a big show of driving round them, but just do it like I had no reason to consider anything else.
100%!!!
@@ballbag dangerous idiots with cars ending up queueing on the carriageway.
I thought the same thing about his positioning. Thing is, he wasn't even ready to take the first spot available so wtf is he doing???
This is a terrible way of queueing. It should be one queue and the person at the front goes to the first available pump. Never seen it work like that though.
It depends, if there’s space for a cars behind then stay in a position to use any pump, only need to pick a lane when it backs up behind
Forecourts with attached shops can be a pain, queue up behind a car who's owner is doing their weekly shop.
Or waiting to use the toilet that's already occupied, mind you technically you can move your car elsewhere on the premises after filling up then pay.
Many have pumps that take card payment now !
@@marklittler784 hate it when people use those, then go in the shop and pay
@@marklittler784 I used a Esso fuel station with a Tesco shop a few years ago. After filling moved my car 5 yards to side while doing weekly shop so as not to delay any other drivers. Went inside and did shop taking half an hour before joining queue to pay for food and fuel.
Checkout guy in his 50's told me off for moving car from pump. Told him wasn't an issue as he can still use pump. Went on whole time was putting food through. Told him to stop whinging. Never went back there.
Im not sure if this is the case but the pumps have to be turned on by the staff inside the shop and when it is turned on the amount of fuel and price from the previous person is then reset to zero, I'm not sure if its reset on the computer inside the shop as well, maybe that's why they don't like it when you move your car from the pump before you pay? Just a theory.
By his positioning, I'd say that the Jeep driver was hedging his bets on which RH side pump would become available sooner. Jeep pointing one way, wheels another.
Still, going for a name change and sex change is a hell of a way to avoid the police catching up with you!
Yeah, a bit extreme, I'd say. But, whatever.
Sounds like confirmation bias to me.
@@trabant3060 what does?
So many people are in such a rush, and you can bet that most people that get aggressive or frustrated through impatience really aren’t in that big of a rush most of the time and are not doing anything important lol.
@Rich O I guess 'his' name now is Karen
I always keep my key with me when I fill up rather than leaving it in the ignition. I feel a little less paranoid now.
Never leave the keys in the ignition. If someone steals your car, the insurance will wash their hands of it.
Me too. You never know, what ppl can get up to
I’m even in the habit of keeping the key even if my fiancée is in the passenger seat. Never too careful lol
@James Stewart Attempted theft is a crime but I suspect the police didn't think that was his intent. Could have been TWOC (not sure if attempted TWOC is a thing).
@@caolkyle IMO there shouldn't EVER be anyone in the car when you're refuelling - just in case of fire. Search in YT for "car refuel fire" if you're not convinced. I try to refuel when I'm alone. If I have passengers I make them get out of the car and wait at a safe distance. My friends think it's odd behaviour on my part but I'm OK with that.
In my car, you need the key to unlock the fuel cap, so I always have it on me and should prevent that from happening to me. However, if someone intends to steal a 16 year-old Ford Fusion worth less than £300, they can't be of sound mind!
Sometimes they just want something to get them to another town. It's a free ride. Older cars can be easy to steal. They will steal it at night and have finished their journey before you get up and the reg gets flagged. They may burn your car to destroy evidence.
Ah ok so you can get away with an attempted theft of a car if you claim to have “mental health issues”. If he really does have “mental health issues” then who allows them to be in control of a 1.5 tonne vehicle?
Completely agree. Unfortunately has some experience working around mental health and I've seen countless examples of criminal behavior going unpunished due to the sweeping phrase "mental health issues" - either the person is safe to be allowed unsupervised freedoms or they're not. If they are then they should be treated on the same legal playing field as anybody else.
That's the worrying part. What if he rages at a cyclist he deems did something wrong. Should be an instant ban for being this unstable. I sympathise if he really does have issues, but also it's important the public are protected from him if that is the case.
If this is how he acts I not go a situation.. he seems a big danger to other road users
@collieman You're the 2nd person on here using quotation marks around the words mental health issues as if they don't exist. That's callous. I hope that you develop extreme depression one day so you know what it's like. Once experienced, you would never again use quotation marks in the same context.
TLDR: No I'm not suggesting mental health issues do not exist, I'm saying this guy can't have them because he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near a 1.5 tonne vehicle if he really did.
@@iskrajackal9049 Thanks for wishing me to have depression, and don't make assumptions about people you don't even know.
If he is not mentally stable (e.g. random outbursts of aggression) he is not safe to drive as he could kill someone (especially a more vulnerable road user like a cyclist). This is the same reason why we don't allow blind people to drive -they would be a risk to others.
So the guy in the video either genuinely has mental heath problems and is not safe to be on the road or he doesn't have mental health problems and he is using it as a get-out -of-trouble card (hence the quotation marks).
Interesting, i had someone have a go because I went to the pumps on the ‘wrong side of my car’ because they had like most petrol stations long reach pipes, chap put his window down as I dispensed along the lines of ‘the rest of us waited why couldn’t you’, I pointed to the ‘use both sides’ sign and said you could easily do the same at which point he told me to go forth and multiply.
I hate those twats that won't use all the available pumps cos it's on the wrong side. Honestly seen queues backing out on to the main carriageway while there's at least 2 pumps not being used cos the cars in front won't use the wrong side
@@RichO1701e "go forth and multiply" brilliant! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
You probably told him to 'make a sexual exit'
Not sure pulling a dirty hose over the boot or back of your car is good for it's paintwork.
@@jameshiggins8329 It's fine for paintwork. Been doing it for years. You must be one of those ones that queue.
@@markwood7045 Queue? Not me. Retired so no commute milage so all the time in the world to drive past petrol station if busy and only go in if a pump is free.....which means 2 RH petrol cap pumps out of the 8 pumps at my normal filling station as 4 are pay at pump and I prefer pay at kiosk.
Won't even queue in a shop, if it is busy and where I have a 2nd option I walk out and go somewhere else.
Life is to short to queue or to pee of people by going to the 'wrong pump.
Given road rage and the seemingly endless nut jobs behind wheels it seems the sensible thing to do, heck I get enough middle fingers and dangerous overtakes for doing the 30mph speed limit in my town (and it is less than a mile end to end).... I don't speed as it is just not worth hitting a kid or 3pts to gain 2 mins on a normal journey. On a long motorway journey I might fracture the limit a little.
Having worked for short time with people with mental health issues, I tend to hold back more than i used to. They can be very unpredictable and far stronger than they look as I have learned from a very painful experience. I have to question if they should have a drivers licence if they are this volatile. Looking back at the video the posture of the car mimicked the drivers. Hind sight is such a wonderful thing. Thanks for sharing.
Definitely. It is one thing losing control momentarily here but at 70mph it is lethal. So either they should have been prosecuted or their mental health is bad enough for a suspension of their licence.
If someone went and sat in my car while the engine was running, nothing short of them being armed would hold me back. You have to stand your ground at some point, mate.
@@goodyeoman4534 Agreed great post.
Poor Mike Hammer sending in all these clips and getting in bother. 😏
Needs to change his name to Doris Kamma and live a quiet life.
Nailed it! (sorry).
Thank goodness his surname isn't Hunt.
I thought his name was R. Kamma.
Now it's all I can hear
I can trump this. In my teens (more years ago than I'd care to mention), I worked in a filling station. Back then it was attended service not self-service. As it was a small station, we only had 2 pumps (one 2-star and one 4-star). One day on my shift, 2 cars rock up from different directions and both it seems want the 4-star pump. They both end up on the forecourt facing each other. I came out the cabin to serve, but both were still in their cars gesticulating the the other should move so they could get lined up with the pump. This escalated to horn blowing, then both men out the cars shouting and swearing. I just stood and watched the show. Then the most unbelievable thing happened. One of the men (the aggressor) said that if the other didn't move his car, then he'd move it for him. The other chap refused. This prompted the aggressor to get back in his car and slowly drive up to the bumper of the other car and start physically pushing it backwards out the way with his car, which took quite a bit of effort as the handbrake was on and the rear tyres were screeching. The other chap obviously went bonkers at this and tried to get into the aggressors car to stop him by removing the keys. The aggressor then gets out and a fight breaks out between them. This resolves itself after a short time in a sort of tie. I go back in cabin and ring the police. By the time I have done that and gone back outside, the aggressor has done a runner. The police turn up and take statements and the other chap got the aggressor's reg number. There was no CCTV back then. I never did hear what came about from the incident.
I have seen a change in fuel pump queuing over the years. Quite a few drivers don’t want to commit to a lane, so position themselves in a random order waiting to hop into the first available slot. But that is so inefficient. I got beeped from a car parked way back from the pumps and three lanes away when I drove straight into an empty pump in lane one. I normally just join behind a full pump lane and wait patiently.
>But that is so inefficient
Actually queue theory tells us a single queue is actually the most efficient method. However it's not really practical in a petrol station scenario where space is usually limited and impractical to do.
The thing that annoys me is , when there are lots of parallel pumps , people still queue in a single line , right out to the entrance , preventing others from getting in off the road ; I have , where there was space , driven past said queue and up to a pump where a car was filling , then waited patiently ; have been mouthed off at , but when I ask why they didn't pull up to a pump and just wait , they never have an answer .
Your message at the end is spot on, well done.
“He should have just beeped the horn” - Ash, if he gets triggered by someone driving a car in front of him then he’ll definitely get triggered by getting beeped at.
This
I barely use my horn these days because it almost always triggers aggression and causes the opposite of the desired effect.
Not as much though, the situation wouldn’t have got as heated.
@@Strider9655 When I use my horn or flash my lights to make someone aware of my presence, I always put my hand up and give them a nod after they've acknowledged me (either by moving or stopping or whatever) to let them know I'm not angry with them and to thank them for reacting to my alert. Try it and see if you have people less aggressive towards you as a result.
@@RayScarr69 I've done exactly what you describe, with some idiot reversing blindly out of a driveway, the psycho turned around and came after me, and this was in a quiet very middle class village near Pershore.
Unfortunately that's just how it is these days..... At low speeds I tend to drop a rev bomb in preference to using the horn if I just need someone to know i'm there, like in a carpark with some plonker reversing out of a space toward me, at least in doing this I can say I just missed a gear.
2 years ago and after the described incident, I added a steibel nautilus air horn to my car, 140db twin tone horn, 45db more than the standard horn, and as sound pressure doubles every 3db, so you can imagine how loud that is........
@@Strider9655 it will be four or five times louder
That’s why I lock the doors, don’t make eye contact, give way even when I have priority.
Despite my advanced years still drive to Advanced standard, slow down for tailgaters.
Be aware that the tattooed thug in a sixty grand super car is probably busy making urgent deliveries.
Baffles me that people take driving so seriously, i really think that my generation is overly aggressive.
If you mean you lock your doors when driving - that is a very bad idea . In the event of a crash or medical emergency , rescuers may be prevented or at least delayed from helping you .
Making eye contact is an important element of Advanced Driving , making certain that the other person has seen you and you each know what the other is going to do .
Modern cars automatically lock doors at 10mph. Airbags deployed cause unlocking of doors. Advanced driving directs that you view drivers in your vision, eg: “There is a car at the junction on the left, the driver is looking my way”. No instructions to make eye contact.
Membership of the IAM doesn’t make you a police certificated Class One Advanced Driver. The local group became aware of my history and invited me to serve on committee. Shower of egoTrippers with high opinions of their skills. Nice cars though. All the gear and no idea. I resigned.
Great video Ashley, I'd of done the same as the cammer and gone past him to the pump. I always take my keys out of the ignition when filling up and my mobile phone gets put in my pocket so if this happened to me at least I'd have the upper hand.
If you enter a forecourt and all the pumps are in use just pick a pump and wait behind the car that's filling. Everybody then knows your intention. Don't just randomly stop in the middle and play "take your pick" Or even worse when its a small forecourt and some halfwit just stops blocking the whole entrance for everyone else.
What baffles me sometimes is when people are behind other cars waiting for a pump thats on the same side as their filler cap but there are free pumps for the other side that they could use but don't. I often just drive up to the other pump and pull the hose to the oposite side then fill up. Ill sometimes get dirty looks from others but they've chosen not to use that pump.
Basically you can get away with assaulting someone and trying to drive off in someone else’s car. Whilst around very flammable fuel.
Simply if you’re “having more than a bad day”.
Mitigation is a joke in the UK.
Police said, “hopefully in the future, they will conduct themselves in a more reasonable manner”. Really?
Law enforcement in the UK seems to be implemented based on the hope that everyone is on their best behaviour. No coppers around these days.
Kids stealing cars don’t even get punished now,TWOC’ing is not stealing apparently. unless you can prove they thief intended to keep or sell your property..i.e after the fact. Steal a car..”drive it about a bit and dump it” only gets them a caution!
they are gonna start letting murderers off under the hope that they won't kill again. The court system of this country is royally fucked.
I'd have been annoyed as the jeep driver too, to see the cammer overtake and queue jump after waiting less than ten seconds.
I'm not saying what the jeep driver did was right, but I understand, and the police must have too. A bit of common sense needed.
@@adz124ps I would just let it go. You can go next time. How long will that take? The position of the jeep makes it hard to tell if the driver was in the queue or had parked there while going to get something for the shop. Not all drivers are there to fill up. Agreed in that I think the cam car could have perhaps got out of his car and signalled (politely) to the car in front.
This kind of thing is triggered by having a large shop and petrol pumps together. People fill up then go and do a bunch of shopping while leaving their car at the pump. Often they will spend 20 mins or more in the shop. At busy times queues then tailback onto the road. Something does need to be addressed as its a growing problem
You're forgetting the arseholes that can't use a pump if it's on the wrong side. They cause longer queues by not using available pumps
Should have separate tills for fuel or shopping
I used to work in one of these petrol stations. It was infuriating for people, but the chain I worked for tried putting signs on the pumps urging people to pull forward into the parking spaces at the front of the shop if people were doing some shopping, and they made absolutely zero difference.
@@bridges24 I thought this was common sense tbh, fuel up at the pump and then park in a parking space if you intend to peruse the shopping isles?
@@noodlenoggin5854 Yep. Just like it's common sense to ensure you have the means to pay before fuelling up. But the same people would "forget their wallet" on a regular basis.
“Excuse me mate, are you using that pump? Do you mind if I use it?” All that was needed really.
Yep. The problem is, horrible people would not respond to politeness like that, like you or I would.
If you're at the petrol pump
And you hear the beep
Think of all the fun you could be having on
Supermarket Jeep
Showing your age with that 90's reference!
@@RichO1701e I'm only 26 😂😂 it was the best "being ill and staying home from school" daytime telly around!
@@RichO1701e
Actually they did new ones with Rylan Clark recently but it was nothing like the original.
@@Unchained_Alice apart from the campness of both presenters, and that's not homophobic, just observant.
Well played!
This just adds to the stigma around mental health. That email either needs to be more specific ("mental health issues" could mean anything), or reworded altogether ("health issues" or "problems in his personal life").
This may seem pedantic, but even today there's still so much prejudice and ignorance around mental health, and it's exactly this sort of thing that contributes to it.
I think that was the police's response email, and they're in a tight spot, as they can't give out too much info due to GDPR. It sounds like someone was maybe being a bit looser with information that perhaps they should have been, possibly because the cammer had been kept waiting, or possibly because he'd developed a rapport with the officer
Yes I was surprised the police revealed details about this person’s confidential medical information. I think they should have just said, “We’ve spoken to this person. There are a number of background issues here that we can’t disclose”.
Based on the way they said that the suspect had changed their name to "that of a female" implies that the "mental health issues" were related to gender transition. Whilst that can have mental health issues alongside it, I don't think it warrants getting away with a crime. The person driving the Jeep got physical by pushing the cammer and then attempted to steal the vehicle (even if it was to move it a small distance). That should still be punished the same way as somebody the police doesn't consider to have "mental health issues", or at the very least lead to a revokation of the Jeep driver's license until they are able to be of capable mental capacity in the eyes of the law.
Although it is difficult a Robin Williams quote springs to mind - "Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about, be kind".
I prefer, 'walk softly but carry a big stick'. (Teddy Roosevelt).
Well said but in this case.... How long is enough time to wait.....................
"I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you." - Robin Williams
@@goodyeoman4534 It's 'speak softly and carry a big stick' but I get your point.
@@fernandovazquezcueto9606 You'll get the stick if you don't calm down on that pedantry, chap.
I've been in situations like that before where you're paranoid about going to a free pump when someone in front doesn't move in case you trigger a road rage incident. My usual way of dealing with this sort of situation is to just drive through the forecourt and out the other side and then head to another filling station to fuel up or leave it to the next day if I have enough fuel. There are certain filling stations that I now avoid because, the way they're laid out, makes queueing a bit shambolic and raises the prospect of rage incidents like this.
If someone ever got into MY car like that, the very next vehicle they'd be getting into would be an ambulance 🚑
The Police said: "hopefully they would conduct themselves in a more reasonable manner". Are they talking about themselves and the slowness of their investigation, or the driver of the jeep?
This entire video is fascinating; from the incident itself to the police's reaction. I find it strange they would reveal Jeep man's mental health issues and decision to change his name. It seems to me this kind of personal information should be between him and his doctor unless things end up in court. They also talk about Jeep man in the past tense, "had mental health issues". Was this their way of saying no charges would be brought against him?
As soon as I saw Nuthall Road, I knew precisely what kind of people we were going to be dealing with. I've worked in Broxtowe and lived nearby; it's hard to overstate how difficult an area it is for social problems. It's also hardly surprising the police took a while to respond - the Nottm police are brilliant in my experience but they are also so, so overworked. I caught a pair of burglars the first weekend we moved in and the police were there in minutes. Not so sure the court rewarded their hard work but there you go.
Reading the comments I never even realised people leave their keys in the ignition when filling with fuel
My car is keyless start so it is easy to just leave it in my car. Perhaps I should reconsider that when alone.
@@Unchained_Alice and why aren't they in ur pocket? I keep mine in my pocket at all times and then as soon as I get out to fill at the pump, lock the door.
@@dave8535
Wouldn't fit unless I took them off my keyring. But I will take them off if I remember next time I am filling up.
Its practically paranoia at that point, you've more chance of winning the lottery than having a random person hop into your car in broad daylight surrounded by CCTV while you stand 5ft away. If i was leaving the pump to pay in the shop then yeah, but otherwise dont see the point.
People are lazy and generally a little bit stupid... what did you expect!
Great vid as always Ashley, absolutely disgusting behavior on the jeep drivers part, the jeep driver even appeared to gesture him, he waved his arm outside the window of his car and to me that would suggest to go around, the assault and entering a vehicle uninvited (attempted theft/hijacking of a motor vehicle) that's certainly grounds for serious prosecution. With that type of behavior and the fact that he had/has those mental health issues, they should not have driving entitlement whilst that ill, I find it baffling that we have to share the roads with these severe mental health cases especially in this day and age...
As a woman who would likely be filling up alone, I would have done the same as the by-stander - not gone over to help but immediately gone inside and alerted staff instead. No way would I get involved with 2 angry men, one of whom was in the others car!
On the other hand when a woman butts in they're usually stuck for words.
Calling for help is getting involved and it is helpful.
@@PedroConejo1939 I agree - it's just the way Ashley worded it as if the by-stander hadn't helped when he may well have gone in and alerted staff instead
1 angry man you mean.
As a man neither would I
I have been in a similar incident, on the receiving end as well. Please keep in mind that this was in the Netherlands, so left hand drive.
The situation was a bit more straightforward (at least I thought so): my vehicle had the filler cap on the right hand side, the car that was waiting in between two isles before me had the filler cap on the left hand side.
That particular petrol station had reduced length hoses, as they had had quite a lot of people driving off without paying (don't ask me how reduced length hoses prevent this, it was just the case and they had this stated on ALL isles).
When the isle on the right became available, I crawled forward and parked up, ready to fill up. I saw a man approaching in my side mirror. He stopped right beside my door, so I opened my window, thinking he needed some information. He gestured me to lower the window a bit further, which I did. Then he swiped me, causing my sunglasses to fly off my face, leaving me with a bloody nose and the sunglasses flying off to the passenger footwell.
In total panic, I took off from the petrol station, without having filled up, without even realizing that his action may very well have been 'on camera'. I had to go be off, in a hurry.
The single fact that someone, for whatever reason, takes a swipe at someone else, has made me very anxious since: I'm always looking for how to prevent stuff like this happening, or how to defend myself in case it happens anyway. There's plenty of available weapons in a forecourt - the main one being the nozzle you're holding while filling up.
Some of the nonsense I've seen at busy petrol stations has led me to just choosing a pump and patiently queuing up at it. It means you don't have to watch every pump ready to pounce on the first free one. But more importantly it can save cars queuing out onto the road as happens at my local when selfish people hang right back at the entrance so they can be first.
So, just pick a pump and wait. You win some, you lose some, but ultimately it may make the world just a little bit calmer.
Patience is the watch word for today , thank you
Honestly not sure if even horn use wouldn't be met with similar response. But hindsight is 20-20 and I would probably just beep once or twice before going around.
And then get a load of abuse ...
@@chromiumphotography5138 Shouldn't get any abuse for a little pip of the horn
Both ways he’d get abuse that guy was just super angry and hyper sensitive
@@JordanLR ❄ of the highest order - more than likely upset because someone had used the wrong pronoun easier in the day ....
@@guitarl3g3ndz shouldn't, but I've seen people react worse to less
Interesting conclusion to this video, there's more at play here than meets the eye, I hope both parties resolved their differences and I hope the aggressor got help for their mental health issues.
Ah so it's "mental health issues" nevermind then, feel free to take my car. Cop out of the century right there.
He wasn't taking the car, simpleton, he was trying to move it.
@@StopMediaFakery Perhaps you are not sharp enough to notice the obvious hyperbole. Whether he's taking the car or moving it, he still has no right to touch it and the fact that he has mental issues doesn't excuse him, hence my comment.
@@liamholcroft7212 Both of your comments are ridiculous. Did I say he had a right to move the car? You have no valid retort, so resort to saying, 'I'm not sharp' which is obviously the opposite of the truth. You're suggesting he tried to take the car, which he clearly didn't. He tried to move it, which is not the same thing. Maybe you're not smart enough to know the difference. You're a follower who seeks backing from other sheep who will agree with your idiocy. There is always a reason why people do what they do. Saying there is 'no excuse' shows just how dumb you are. There is always a logical reason behind something, it's just that you don't understand. Your initial comment is ignorant and panders to the herd mentality. Try to become a logical thinker, and things will start to make more sense.
@Liam Holcroft mental health issues are sadly all too real for those unfortunate enough to suffer from them. Your sarcastic use of quotation marks to suggest orherwise shows you to be uncaring and callously so. A mental health episode does not entitle anyone to take liberties, of course it doesn't, but it does mean that it is incredibly easy to misjudge a situation based on a fleeting assessment. That's why a calm and humble approach is much better than a testosterone fuelled bout of road rage.
@@iskrajackal9049 The quotations are not there because I don't believe that they exist, it's because I see the term thrown around too often as a way of absolving people of any responsibility for their actions. Hence "cop out". I understand people suffer, and i have sympathy for those that genuinely do.
Good take away message, and simply explaining with an apology that they thought he was waiting for another pump rather than saying ‘should’ve been paying attention’… could have defused the situation. But alas, ego.
Agree on the horn honk, but at the moment he assault me I would have defended myself and my property. No way I would risk my health and safety compared to the risk of a court date.
Happy to say my oldest Son passed his Driving Test first time. When I lived in Peterborough many years ago I was subject to a bit of ‘filling Statusinfos aggression’. Little lad had an issue with how I hard parked and started driving his car at me as I walked back to my own.
Ah well, you live and learn
The Jeep driver: if fueling my vehicle is important, I'd need to focus my attention at getting it fueled. Not being on the phone, being distracted, loitering about.
The cammer: respect for not getting damn physical - if anyone sat into my car in an alike situation, I would probably not be able to hold back (sorry but not sorry .. my property, my place to be, my reliability, not anyone else's I won't acknowledge as authorized)
The station: hope the cameras at least work, and are not just there as placeholders.
I sometimes am amazed of people, especially at petrol stations. Smoking, being on the phone and what not. Tons of cars, flammable materiel, chemicals .. definitely not a place to zone out at..
If one needs to relax, either one should stop in a parking area or take a seat in a café or something.
(I'm not exaggerating a small issue of the everydays - this is damn serious, for me at least)
I can comment absolutely on this video Mr Neal.
I work at 5 shell garages all in Liverpool and the stuff that i have witnessed is SHOCKING,,, and i mean SHOCKING. ME and my staff have to deal with these issues and losers every day.
Quite a few times we have had to get the police involved.
Things are not going to get better but much more worse as time goes on.
Sorry Ashley, but the first thing that popped into my head when you said you'd go and try to calm things down was "Alright! Alright! Calm down, calm down". Showing my age I guess.
Harry Enfield, cracking show back in the day
you forgot the eh eh, you talkin to me eh eh
Agreed many situations can be calmed down but sometimes you need to stand your ground , this is one of those moments . On a forecourt so in a safe environment at least , who knows what else aggressor was cable of ??
I'd have probably tooted the red car . If they didn't move then I would have gone around as the cammer did. Unfortunately other people won't step in to help cos they can get arrested if an allegation is made like assault etc and there's always the possibility of getting stabbed or whatever . Other people will rather film it than help .
Just found these vid thank you. They refreshed my thinking about my own driving. I am not a great driver with some bad habits" I hope to try for refresher lessons .
A few years ago I would have helped someone in need but never again because I had a similar issue a while ago, but because I helped I got hounded for several weeks by the aggressor when going to the same area again. The police were useless and did almost nothing to help.
I could listen to this bloke all day 😍.... But it's true though, you never know what someone else is thinking or going through
If you are ever attacked at a filling station remember that fuel from the pump is good mechanism, and nasty in the eyes, to force the attacker away. Also, always lock your car whilst filling, unless someone is in the car of course.
Catch yourself on for crying out loud! You really think you could spray fuel over someone, regardless of how they acted towards you, and expect to get away with it? That would be seriously irresponsible and not to mention, dangerous. All it would take would be one ignition source and that person would be ablaze.
NEVER lock your car on a petrol forecourt - in the event of fire someone may need to move it . Why do so few people seem to know this ?
Not really the same thing, but just before the start of the first lock down I popped down to a local M&S food hall for some bits, the food hall is also a petrol forecourt. The day I went down the forecourt was heaving - parking for the food hall is just behind it so there I go squeezing passed the cars waiting for a pump to get to the parking area, when this numpty pulls out and blocks me. He thinks I'm trying to jump the queue for the petrol. I point to the spaces trying to get my intention across and he takes it as some kind of gesticulation, jumps out of his car and tries to open my door!! (Which was locked) All the while questioning my parentage. Once he realised I wasn't trying to jump the queue or insult his manhood he sheepishly got back into his car and let me pass (with no apology), but Jesus come on, why be so quick to anger?
I never leave the keys in the ignition when I'm filling up, can't trust people these days
Echoing other's sentiments, my pet 'peeve' is people who queue for a pump and then get out (at the pump) and go in ONLY to buy stuff in the shop!! This is especially egregious, when there are areas available elsewhere in the forecourt, designed for just that purpose.
Equally annoying are the ones who park first in line at the car wash , and go off into the shop , blocking others who already paid for their fuel and purchased car wash tickets .
I got one of those a while back , but beat him by simply reversing into the empty car wash from the other end and was in mid-wash by the time he returned .
Why do people feel they all have to queue in a line rather than pick a pump and queue in parallel?
We don’t queue like that in supermarkets or pubs?!?
In a long line causes issues outside the petrol station also
I agree with this. I'd rather just pick a pump to queue for than just wait and hedge my bets. I honestly think some people feel some sort of social embarrassment if they get held up and someone else gets "ahead" of them. It's so silly.
because you dont know who is planning their weekly shop while parked at a pump
@@rrp6405 but there are normally at least 2 sets of pumps per row
@@rrp6405 The fact that they are standing with the pump filling their tank is a good clue .
Had an odd one recently. Had pulled up to the pump behind a van that was at the one ahead. While filling, the van left and someone pulled in from other side facing the front of the vehicle I was driving. Then had to wait several minutes for them to fill up, get a coffee, pay, come back, check their phone and smirk at me while we sat and watched them. Should add I was in a 12t lorry with an instructor, so paying a lot of money for him and vehicle, and definitely had no intention of reversing back onto the busy road!
I think it was reasonable to pull round the jeep for the reasons you mentioned. However, although I think people are often too quick to use the horn, a quick beep might have been enough to alert the Jeep driver to the cammer waiting and pump available, avoiding the confrontation. But who can really know what a total stranger might be dealing with at the time...
Had that a few times at the BP station in my local village - it had an entrance and an exit - one way system through the pumps , and sometimes you'd get chancers coming in the wrong way . I'd initially point nicely to the 'one way' and 'no entry' signs , but if they were obstinate I'd just blast my horn and get the attention of the girl in the office , who then just wouldn't activate the pump for them and put out a tannoy message saying it was a one way system and to come in from the other end or they wouldn't be served - helped that I was a regular and known to the staff .
It looked to me like the hand waving was to shoo away a bee or wasp rather than someone talking on the phone. Not that it makes a huge amount of difference either way.
I actually think he was speaking to someone on the phone. I have seen that kind of hand-action before from people talking on phones in vehicles
@@Matthew-bu7fg It's entirely possible mate. It just looks to me like he is swatting towards something with increasing agitation. But either way, the result of being distracted is the same. Cheers.
If he / she had mental health problems,they were probably shooing away the voices in their head,it's distracting when everyone talks at the same time.
Remember a few years back when the tanker drivers went on strike.
My company car was a diesel and it could only be filled up at Shell.
Went to the shell garage and the que was ridiculous, 40 plus cars all in a line on the main road , this intern caused the passing traffic to slow including me . Stuff that I'm not waiting, as I get to the front I see the HGV pump is empty so whip in and start filling my car, this old boy starts going on about how its for trucks not cars.
I replied, its a diesel pump for eny vehical the HGV bit is so they can enter and exit easily.
Filled up went in and paid.
This clown was still going on whilst he filled his car up with UNLEADED. 😀😀😀
In my view it's better to get into a que for a given pump rather than waiting for the next available pump to become free. The latter takes up a lot more room, can cause unnecessarily long ques and can also lead to this kind of confusion.
And in many cases the queue ends up out onto the road. Whe did the world start waiting at the entrance to the petrol station? That never used to be a thing. Pick a pump queue and wait. If the guy next to you is quicker then c'est la vie.
Had this today, everyone blocks the entrance because they want to see who goes first, I just pick a lane and wait for my turn. I don’t get why people go mad..
So if I have mental health issues I can just hijack someones vehicle and get off with a friendly warning? .. Shocked
I'm just glad that the quirk of having an ancient car means you need to use the key to unlock the filler cap. You can jump in my car all you want but unless you want to put the handbrake off and push it, then I wouldn't bother.
It's sad to see people walking away and not helping the guy.
No one wants to get involved don't blame them.
Easy to say at a keyboard. One (or both) could have weapons and a bystander can end up in a bad way. If I was there I'd call the police and stay back. I'm not being called a hero on my gravestone for someone I don't even know.
@@Ayomayo48583 many a 'hero' end up unconscious.
@@Ayomayo48583 at Christmas they would be Noel Coward.
@@Ayomayo48583 the bystanders are on standby.
Useful take home message well illustrated
I find it a little odd to suggest that the rational deterrent to car theft would factor into the thoughts of someone in an irrational mental state.
Even if he wasn't planning on stealing it, he might have driven it into the wall
Wise words Ashley.
The cammer handled it way better than I probably would of. The moment he touched my car, he would've received punches.
then you are the problem
Now You're in a Right Mood for a Punch Up!?
@@Ultima2876 Your comment doesn't help the situation, stop trying to be clever.
@@Ultima2876 ... Don't touch other people's expensive property and they don't retaliate. The guy did slam his filler cap shut which could've caused damage to the car. He also started shoving him back. So yeah, I think many people would just hit him after that, not just me. 🤷🏻
@@TheWhiskeyMan-rk7qv Better to push them away, than punch them, but I agree with the point your making.
Some people wait for a pump that is on the same as the filler cap side, so if they were sitting there for 20+ seconds I'd also have gone in and driven up to the pump.
I have to remove the key from the ignition fully before the petrol cap will open
Hanging back (and making a queue longer outside the station is ridiculous).
Pick a pump lane and wait your turn. DON”T HOG ALL OF THEM!
Who leaves keys in their car?
Drivers with passengers , or a large dog in the car .
I would absolutely have gone over and tried to stop that from happening, I'm just a weak software engineer so I can't exactly bring much to the fight beyond verbal judo, but sometimes that's all it takes in these situations, a third party to step in calm both sides down.
The guy in Jeep literally spent longer in an argument than it would have taken for the guy to fill up and move, and the guy in the Jeep didn't even get fuel in the end anyway because he ran away! Madness.
I would've just got out and asked him if he was gonna take the pump, and if not, could I have it. Horn use is almost always seen as aggression because it's an oppressive noise, it's just human nature.
Exactly. Spot on - no harm in asking, and people get in and out of their cars all the time at petrol stations
Ironically I get a Jeep ad right after this video!
Are they still a go anywhere vehicle (except into free petrol pump spaces)? :)
I skipped the ad so I can't answer that question 😉
You can't expect other people to wait because you are having a phone conversation.
Cool to see a video where I grew up, went to that tesco hundreds of times over the years.
Credit where credit is due: looks like the police acted in a reasonable & considered manner here and didn't just drop the case because they were, err, 'too busy'. So well done Nottingham.👍 🙂
Something similar happened to me, curiously again in Nottingham, I overtook a Mercedes on a dual carriage way and then a few miles down the road, I pulled in a filling station to fill up, a few moments later the Mercedes screeched onto the forecourt and stopped behind my car. The driver approached me whilst I was fueling my car with a metal bar in his had, he berated me for overtaking him and raised the metal bar to threaten to attack me, my overtaking maneuver had been completely safe and legitimate but had obviously upset him somehow and I couldn’t understand his problem, the forecourt staff could clearly hear and see the altercation but did nothing. I tried my best to de escalate the situation but the Merc driver was having non of it and ran towards me with the metal bar raised above his head. Without thinking I pulled the pump nozzle out of my tank and gave him about 3 pounds worth of unleaded all over his head and upper body. Getting the petrol in his eyes he stopped dead in his tracks and started to retreat, I thought about pulling my zippo cigarette lighter out of my pocket but decided that this was a step to far. To cut a long story short, the police arrived and I was cautioned and he was arrested and carted away in the back of the police car. Truly an unforgettable experience that I wished I’d never had!! I shudder when I look back at this and what the results of my actions could have been but his threats and aggression and the fact that he was armed with a weapon that would have caused me or my car serious damage I think go a little way towards justification. I would say that forecourt filling stations are not the place for confrontation on any level, perhaps people who decide to become aggressive on these type of premises should bare my little story in mind before indulging in such behaviour.
Sounds like self defence to me ; also a reasonable and proportionate response given you were in a panic situation .
If the mental health issues cause the Jeep driver to behave like that then they shouldn’t be driving
I no longer involve myself in situations. Unfortunately, I have had numerous things happened in the past when I did, so I don't anymore.
some people just baffle me, if you not gonna go use it why get angry when someone does, stop being a loser and buy a defuser, oh sorry wrong game (CSGO for reference :P)
Excellent points for thought. Thank you .
1. My company trainer once took my truck keys out if ignition, as I eas parked in yard and walked off. I now take keys always with me if stepping out or immobilise otherwise vehicle.
2. Shocking nobody joins the potentially escalating situation.
3. I'd I had een behind that silly stopped Jeep , I woudo have stepped out and asked which pump he is aiming at , dint forget many have now medical conditions and he coukd have had juat a low blood sugar.
4. In covid time , this whole is simply unacceptable.
5. It also nicely demonstrates how much a visual obstruction the now growing " auto- obesity " ( inappropriately used SUV/ MICKEY MOUSE SUVS) is. Particularly for pedestrians, cyclist, kids waking across roads, the ecer increasing size of cars and shrinking minds, is a hazard. And illegal e scooters are not the solution.
6. We need more eyes and not only cctv from police forces on roads .Public needs more support from the selfish individuals we live with.
So the lesson is, if you ever find yourself in trouble with the police for assault and attempted hijacking, just say you've gone mental and thinking about buying a dress and they'll be like 'understandable, have a nice day'
No need for transphobia.
Try jumping into an unattended police car and see what happens. I’m sure the police wouldn’t be so lenient when it comes to protecting themselves.
@@johannesgutenburg6425 There's nothing transphobic about that statement. If anything, it's an observation of the police being somewhat transphilic and being able to exploit that. Stop stirring up trouble.
Even if the Jeep driver is trans and had legally changed their name, it shouldn't have been grounds to get away with the crime. Whilst I feel the initial comment goes a bit far because it is possible the driver was in the process of transitioning, the police still should have come to the same resolution they would have done with anyone else for physical assault and attempted theft. I say that as someone who does have a variety of mental health problems and is currently transitioning because I feel that I should be held as accountable for my actions as any other person. Not that I actually drive, I don't feel comfortable with the responsibility of being in control of something as heavy as a car going at high speeds, so I trust others instead.
This is why I always fill up with petrol at 4 in the morning. No-one else about, so no problems!
The cheaper petrol stations are closed at that time around here.
One thing really stands out here. Leaving your keys in the ignition is a very bad idea as the Insurers would refuse to settle a claim for theft. As for the incident...... wtf?
Stay safe everyone 👍
If you leave the vehicle unattended with the keys in sounds about right not aggregated vehicle taking surely.
@@marklittler784 Fair point.
Possibly. As someone who works in insurance claims, it would come down to whether it's negligent to leave the keys in while filling with petrol. If the OP left the keys in while going into the store to pay and the car was stolen, fair enough, claim would be repudiated. But standing next to the car while attempting to fill it up? Depends how harsh the insurer wants to be.
@@joej3595 Having also worked for a reputable broker.....
I know that some "claims" are a bit dodgy, to say the least.
I always pocket the keys to save the potential for argument 👍
@@joej3595Some Peugeot 605s had a number key pad you had to punch a number in to start it and that was in 1995 how times have moved on lol
Unbelievable, some people think they’re it, and unfortunately some of the SUV things seems to make them worse... lost for words 🤦♂️
Loads of stories of verbal and actual violence, after the UK tabloids engineered a petrol shortage crisis...
I also lost count of people getting away with violent behaviour on grounds of having some form of mental issue or another. My brother had a mental neighbour from hell, who only got removed after he set fire to the flat for the 3rd time...
Interesting video and glad no one was hurt seriously, I hope your family are doing well though the lockdown. More patience would likely have completely avoided the situation, i don't my best to avoid blowing the horn for anything barring a safety warning as it may inflame delicate dispositions. Always, but always ensure your car is under your control or secured appropriately when you are not in the driving seat, leaving them frustrated in the driver's seat was 100% your best course of action.
Shouldn't have approached the cammer while he was holding the nozzle of the pump, could have gone all Zoolander on him.
As a legal point, if he'd have driven the vehicle at all, it would be "Taking motor vehicle or other conveyance without authority" (s12 TA68). No intention is required to actually steal the vehicle.
However, since it is summary only, there wouldn't ordinarily be an offence of "attempting to take a motor vehicle or other conveyance without authority", except s9 of the CAA81 adds it. Members of the public nevertheless cannot arrest people for this offence (although anybody can use reasonable force to prevent an offence).
I had a similar situation at a petrol station with a van, he pulled behind a different pump so I used the gap. I had no chance of knowing where he was going but he got angry pulled behind and I said id move out of good will. he called me a twat after id moved pulled up to the pump and then he broke down
Been in this position myself, Some people sit at the entrance to the forecourt and wait for the next pump but all they do is cause a traffic jam on the road. I always go for the far left pump normally and just wait.